========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:14:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world In-Reply-To: <003401c90bc7$c65cd5a0$8706edc1@user4a6p3c2av0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Geraldine, Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at one time? It was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after twentyfive years when I first read it when I was eighteen. One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be read only once, preferably before one has read any of its numerous imitators. Magical Realism has become the favorite cliche of non-western writers presenting their world to the west. Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my favorite Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently precise prose. Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses. I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 are as good as I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to Dostoevsky. On the other hand, there are novelist who remain as problematic, as fresh as they were at first reading. Melville remains first among them, along with Proust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read Pierre again!), but one can not help it. Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the quintessential chick lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who is handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield Park (that's her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone who socially put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know there is Jane Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style take one over the years? Ciao, Murat On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk wrote: > Murat, > I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the reader is > strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time, especially age. I > was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I had a lot of > reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. I'm not even > sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when I was a > teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from where I was born > and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was magnetic. > > Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her simply because > she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as 19th Century (not > that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think that's part of the > fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and yet curiously > old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut reading > Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. > > Geraldine > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > Geraldine, >> >> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge left a a >> very >> strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago in Turkey (in >> English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same time. It >> blew >> my mind. >> >> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert College, >> the >> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by missionaries who >> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed Foster is >> writing >> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its surrounding areas >> up >> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. >> >> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating experience for >> me, >> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was wasted. >> >> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which interestingly I also >> thought >> is the best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry James, who was a >> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne. My guess >> is >> The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, the first few >> pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. >> >> I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. >> >> Ciao, >> >> Murat >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk > >wrote: >> >> Murat, >>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love Wuthering >>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but they all love >>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of the greatest >>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format), Henry James, >>> Melville, Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking stick in my >>> mind >>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not liking it that's >>> a >>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be harsher than you >>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. >>> >>> >>> Murat wrote: >>> >>> Geraldine, >>> >>> >>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the English >>> language? >>> >>> Ciao, >>> >>> Murat >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:17:24 +0900 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Rowland Subject: Re: NOON 6 In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Ruth, for commenting. Good to hear you read it right through, =20= as it's designed to be read that way, as a sequence of poems. There's =20= just the one ed., by the way, and the contributor you mention is =20 Messenger (another, of course, Schwabsky). Best, Philip Rowland On Aug 31, 2008, at 4:20 AM, Ruth Lepson wrote: > Thanks to the eds of Noon=97just got my copy & yes how poetry is =20 > presented > makes a big difference=97I stopped what I was doing to read the whole =20= > thing. > (=93I can=92t believe I read the whole thing!=94) It is short, true. > > Fine poems by list members, for ex Barry Schawbsky, Ravi Shankar, =20 > Halvard > Johnson, Philip Messinger. > > Ruth Lepson > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:49:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Ahmed Faraz, Outspoken Urdu Poet, Dies at 77 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline *BOOKS * | September 1, 2008 * Ahmed Faraz, Outspoken Urdu Poet, Dies at 77 * By HARESH PANDYA Popular among both the cognoscenti and the general public, Mr. Faraz was one of the few poets from the subcontinent whose verses were read as well as sung. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:03:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Reality Too" August Blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends and Colleagues: Here is the August edition of "Reality Too": http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/blog/August.htm Introduction: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/blog/intro.htm Designed for MS Explorer; Text Size: Medium; 1024X768 screen resolution. -Joel ______________________ Joel Weishaus Research Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:08:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Spontaneous expressions of pure ZEN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Haven't the Chinese/Janpanese being doing this verbo-visual stuff for quite some time? For Centuries? Here's a nugget I'd like to share. Ryokan, his calligraphy, to quote the dusk jacket, "exquisite." ***************************************************** Who says my poems are poem? My poems are not poems. When you know that my poems are not poems, Then we can speak of poetry? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:56:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: [pog] POG PRESENTS Comments: To: announce1@buffalo.edu, announce2@buffalo.edu, announce3@buffalo.edu, announce4@buffalo.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed POG Presents: splash into fall! Group Poetry Reading with 8 of Tucson=92s finest poets @ THE DRAWING STUDIO 33 S. 6th Ave, Tucson (between E. Congress and E. Broadway) 7pm Saturday, September 13 $5 general admission, $3 students Renee Angle works for the University of Arizona Poetry Center. She =20 holds an MFA from George Mason University, where she was editor of =20 the journal So to Speak. Her poems have appeared in Practice: New =20 Writing + Art and Diagram. Sue Carnahan has an MFA from the University of Arizona. Her chapbook =20 "Auto Repair" won the 2004 Weldon Kees Award and was published by the =20= Backwaters Press. She lives in Santa Cruz County and works as a =20 speech-language pathologist. Jefferson Carter's most recent book of poems, "Sentimental =20 Blue" (Chax Press), has been nominated for a Pushcart Prize. He =20 teaches poetry writing and developmental composition at the Downtown =20 Campus of Pima College. Currently, he's the Writing Department Chair. Mildred Lachman Chapin came to poetry through her painting. She =20 published =93Reverberations: Mothers and Daughters=94, a book of her =20 paintings, prints and poetry. (This is where the poetry began). She =20= will read from one poem done in Joni Wallace's class while she worked =20= on a painting about it at the same time ( painting will be shown). =20 She has spent many years as an art therapist. Her last teaching job =20 was in the graduate art therapy program of the Art Institute of =20 Chicago and, more recently, at Prescott College. Her Visual Haiku =20 paintings and accompanying poetry Haikus have been hanging at the =20 Poetry center since May. Carlos Gallego is an Assistant Professor of English at the University =20= of Arizona. His interests include 20th century American literature, =20 Chicano/a studies, philosophy and critical theory. He is currently =20 working on a book manuscript examining the transcendence of identity =20 thinking in Chicano/a literature. Annie Guthrie is a writer, jeweler and artist. She received her MFA =20 in Poetry from Warren Wilson and is Associate Marketing Specialist at =20= the Poetry Center. She is currently working on a novel. Tony Luebbermann is retired from the City of Tucson and currently =20 serves on the boards of Chax Press, POG, the Tucson Poetry Festival, =20 and represents the College of Humanities on the University of Arizona =20= Alumni Association. He is a member of the Poetry Center Development =20 Committee and is an active volunteer. Currently, Tony is pursuing a =20 low residency MFA in Poetry at the Vermont College of Fine Arts. Bonnie Jean Michalski lives, works, writes, and plays in both Tucson =20 and Tempe, Arizona. Her work appears in online journals including =20 mid)rib and APOCRYPHALTEXT, and she has three poems forthcoming in a =20 publication from her hometown--Madison, Wisconsin--called Cannot =20 Exist. She has three cats, one dog, and one husband-to-be. POG events are supported in part by the Tucson Pima Arts Council and =20 by the Arizona Commission on the Arts with funding from the State of =20 Arizona and the National Endowment for the Arts. 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Check it out and see. . __,_._,___= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:13:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Flannery O' Conner said pretty much the same thing about teaching. She tried to discourage young writers. Those left were either real writers, fools, or both, as is often the case. Wendell Berry did that whole farming thing. Thanks for the tip. ----- Original Message ---- From: Barry Schwabsky To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:36:08 PM Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING??? I actually think it's a really bad idea. If writing poetry is your job, you should be doing it seven hours a day, five days a week--and I hate to think of anyone writing that much poetry. I think poets should be more like farmers: Aren't they paid NOT to grow certain crops? That's the idea that appeals to me: Pay poets NOT to write poetry. Incidentally, there is a very interesting book about these matters--the pros and cons of public subvention of the arts vs their being left to the whims of the market, etc.--by a Dutch economist who is also a painter, Hans Abbing. It's called Why Are Artists Poor? The Exceptional Economy of the Arts (University of Amsterdam Press). I don't agree with all his conclusions--he comes down more strongly in favor of the market than I think is justified--but he really understands the issues from both an artist's and an economist's viewpoint, a very rare thing. ----- Original Message ---- From: tyrone williams To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Saturday, 30 August, 2008 7:06:06 PM Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING??? I just returned from Copenhagen. When I asked poet Niels Hav what he "does for a living," he replied "write poetry." Assuming there was a language problem, I tried to clarify be asking him what he does to pay the bills. He told me the state pays him to write. Other poets (it was a dinner party) chimed in and acknowledged Hav: apparently some artists are provided living wages just to be artists. And though Niels' work probably falls under the "school of quietude" banner, it's still a fairly remarkable state of things..Of course, as they acknowledged, income tax is extremely high (by our standards) but as one poet said to me, "It's a trade off. We choose to [urchase security, choose to support arts and artists." He acknowledged that Denmark's relatively small size had to be taken in as a factor... Tyrone -----Original Message----- >From: "steve d. dalachinsky" >Sent: Aug 30, 2008 12:30 PM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING??? > >possibly enslin fits the bill > >On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:44:08 -0700 steve russell >writes: >> so i've been thinking about poetry, art, & the difficulties of >> actually making a living exclusively through art. & when i think of >> poets, i mean those who can make a living without the benefit of a >> teaching position. & i also mean 1st rate poets. of recent >> contemporaries, only Ginsberg comes to mind. Bukowski had his >> moments, and i consider him an important minor writer, but i don't >> consider him the equal to Ginsberg as a poet. not by a long shot. >> >> of the still living, only Merwin fits the bill. i'm not sure if he's >> ever had a full time teaching position. i'm not aware of him ever >> having had a teaching position. he's tutored. he's done >> translations, & he's won the McArthur grant, if I'm not mistaken. >> Unlike Auster, Merwin never claimed to have made a cute wager >> concerning how he made his living. >> >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> >> > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Tyrone Williams ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:22:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm busy, so I doubt if I'll check soon, but I'm almost positive that Merwin doesn't come from money. That makes his achievement all the more impressive. Major/minor, I make my list because I'm a list maker. But the Harold Bloom's of the world usually get the final say. I still think Auster's wager was cute. He was merely moving away from poetry into prose narrative. I have no problem there. I simply don't buy the reasoning behind his wager. The wager seems dopey. I'd like to punch him but he's an old guy now so I won't. Maybe... oh forget it. ----- Original Message ---- From: Murat Nemet-Nejat To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:31:21 PM Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING?? Steve, There is nothing cute about *Word To Mouth*. It has a significant place in Auster's total work, as I tried to show in my last post I think Merwin comes from a prominent family and is independently wealthy. I agree with your distinction between poets who make a living out of their poetry and those who do it from teaching. I am not sure the distinction between minor and major is relevant here. Who is to know? There are a many poets I personally know who do not teach, at least not in a college or university: Joel Lewis, Basil King, Martha King, Kimberly Lyons, Ron Silliman, David Chirot, Gary Sullivan, Nada Gordon, Elinor Naueen, Maggie Dubris, Bob Hershon, Simon Pettet, Ed Friedman, Tony Towle, Anne Tadros, Stacy Szymaszek, Anselm Berrigan. The list goes on and on. On the other hand, it is informative to inquire if these poets' works are different from the poets who teach at a university, *specifically* in a Masters of Fine Department. For instance, Bruce Andrews teaches I think philosophy, which is not the same thing. Ciao, Murat Ciao, Murat On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM, steve russell wrote: > so i've been thinking about poetry, art, & the difficulties of actually > making a living exclusively through art. & when i think of poets, i mean > those who can make a living without the benefit of a teaching position. & i > also mean 1st rate poets. of recent contemporaries, only Ginsberg comes to > mind. Bukowski had his moments, and i consider him an important minor > writer, but i don't consider him the equal to Ginsberg as a poet. not by a > long shot. > > of the still living, only Merwin fits the bill. i'm not sure if he's ever > had a full time teaching position. i'm not aware of him ever having had a > teaching position. he's tutored. he's done translations, & he's won the > McArthur grant, if I'm not mistaken. Unlike Auster, Merwin never claimed to > have made a cute wager concerning how he made his living. > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:26:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Reality Too" August Blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If server is down, please go to mirror site: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Blog/August.htm Dear Friends and Colleagues: Here is the August edition of "Reality Too": http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/blog/August.htm Introduction: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/blog/intro.htm Designed for MS Explorer; Text Size: Medium; 1024X768 screen resolution. -Joel ______________________ Joel Weishaus Research Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:30:11 -0700 Reply-To: ubuweb@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: UbuWeb Subject: UBUWEB :: Featured Resources Sept. 2008 - Selected by Rick Moody MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com UbuWeb Featured Resources: September 2008 Selected by Rick Moody 1. Komar and Melamid & Dave Soldier, "The Most Unwanted Song" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/komar_melamid/KomarMelamid_The-Most-UnwantedSong.mp3 2. Jacques Derrida, "On Religion" Part 1 href="http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/derrida_jacques/Derrida-Jacques_On-Religion_Part-1.mp3" Part 2 http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/derrida_jacques/Derrida-Jacques_On-Religion_Part-2.mp3 3. Assorted Street Posters http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/ass.html 4. William Carlos Williams, "Danse Russe." http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Williams-WC/05_Emerson-Recording_08-50/Williams-WC_12_Widows-Lament_prod-Emerson_08-50.mp3 5. Beth B., "Stigmata" http://www.ubu.com/film/b.html 6. James Joyce, "Anna Livia Plurabelle" http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/joyce_james/Joyce-James_Anna-Livia-Plurabelle.mp3 7. Tellus #14, "Just Intonation" http://www.ubu.com/sound/tellus_14.html 8. Hugo Ball, "Karawane," performed by Marie Osmond http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/ball_hugo/Marie-Osmond_Hugo-Ball_Karawane.mp3 9. Gregory Whitehead, "We All Scream Alone" http://mediamogul.seas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Whitehead/Gregory_Whitehead-We_All_Scream_Alone_1992.mp3 10. John Cage Meets Sun Ra http://www.ubu.com/film/cage_kirk.html Rick Moody is the author of four novels, three collections of stories, and a memoir, THE BLACK VEIL. He also plays music with The Wingdale Community Singers. UBUWEB IS ENTIRELY FREE __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:35:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In his remarkable book Poetry, etcetera: Cleaning House, Jacques Roubaud de= fines a poem as something that has no end and that you can only re-read whe= reas a novel is something that ends and in principle is not to be re-read b= ecause the ending completes it. "In this sense The Murder of Roger Ackroyd = is the novel par excellence. It's the novel you can't read twice."=0AMurat,= you speak of Austen being chick-lit as if that were a negative?=0A=0A=0A= =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Murat Nemet-Nejat =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Monday, 1 September, 2008 2:14= :26 AM=0ASubject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world=0A=0AGe= raldine,=0A=0AAre you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at on= e time?=0A=0AIt was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after tw= entyfive years=0Awhen I first read it when I was eighteen.=0A=0AOne Thousan= d Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be read only once,=0Aprefera= bly before one has read any of its numerous imitators. Magical=0ARealism ha= s become the favorite cliche of non-western writers presenting=0Atheir worl= d to the west.=0A=0ADead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it= was my favorite=0ARussian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescent= ly precise prose.=0A=0AThank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses.=0A= =0AI wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 are as goo= d as=0AI remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to Dos= toevsky.=0A=0A=0AOn the other hand, there are novelist who remain as proble= matic, as fresh as=0Athey were at first reading. Melville remains first amo= ng them, along with=0AProust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I goi= ng to read Pierre=0Aagain!), but one can not help it.=0A=0AGeraldine, I hav= e a question. Is Jane Austen not the quintessential chick=0Alit writer. Gir= l rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who is=0Ahandsome, rich (be= yond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield Park (that's=0Aher last novel, y= es?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone who socially=0Aput her by hu= miliating every one and gaining control. I know there is Jane=0AAusten's el= egant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style take one=0Aover the= years?=0A=0ACiao,=0A=0AMurat=0A=0AOn Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldi= ne Monk wrote:=0A=0A> Murat,=0A> I think you pinp= oint the fact that a novel's impact on the reader is=0A> strongly related t= o the reader's circumstance at the time, especially age. I=0A> was in my th= irties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I had a lot of=0A> readin= g under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up.=C2=A0 I'm not even= =0A> sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when I was a= =0A> teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from where I was = born=0A> and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was magne= tic.=0A>=0A> Jane Austen?=C2=A0 Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her = simply because=0A> she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of = as 19th Century (not=0A> that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I= think that's part of the=0A> fascination - the world in transition=C2=A0 -= she's very modern and yet curiously=0A> old fashioned).=C2=A0 She's also v= ery wicked!=C2=A0 I nearly bust a gut reading=0A> Northanger Abbey.=C2=A0 B= ut she's no Eliot that's for sure.=0A>=0A> Geraldine=0A>=0A>=0A> ----- Orig= inal Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" =0A> To: =0A> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM=0A> = Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>= =C2=A0 Geraldine,=0A>>=0A>> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor = of Casterbridge left a a=0A>> very=0A>> strong impression on me when I firs= t read it forty years ago in Turkey (in=0A>> English). The Scarlet Letter a= lso which I read about the same time. It=0A>> blew=0A>> my mind.=0A>>=0A>> = An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert College,=0A>= > the=0A>> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by mission= aries who=0A>> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed F= oster is=0A>> writing=0A>> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (= and its surrounding areas=0A>> up=0A>> to Iran) and a group of New England = missionaries.=0A>>=0A>> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruci= ating experience for=0A>> me,=0A>> but that reading changed my DNA as a wri= ter. So nothing was wasted.=0A>>=0A>> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemar= ch, which interestingly I also=0A>> thought=0A>> is the best 19th century E= nglish novel. I also love Henry James, who was a=0A>> feminist, an American= novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne. My guess=0A>> is=0A>> The House= of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, the first few=0A>> pages = of which anticipate I think James's later style.=0A>>=0A>> I am so happy Ja= ne Austen is not in your list.=0A>>=0A>> Ciao,=0A>>=0A>> Murat=0A>>=0A>>=0A= >>=0A>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk > >wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=C2=A0 Murat,=0A>>> Oh yes - lots - probably m= ost . The Bronte sisters, I love Wuthering=0A>>> Heights but oddly enough s= o many poets I know hate it - but they all love=0A>>> Jane Eyre - why's tha= t then. Discuss!)=C2=A0 George Eliot (one of the greatest=0A>>> prose styli= sts within the conventional narrative format), Henry James,=0A>>> Melville,= Edith Wharton.=C2=A0 The two I mentioned as not liking stick in my=0A>>> m= ind=0A>>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not liking i= t that's=0A>>> a=0A>>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend t= o be harsher than you=0A>>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don'= t like.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> Murat wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>> Geraldine,=0A>>>=0A>>>= =0A>>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the English= =0A>>> language?=0A>>>=0A>>> Ciao,=0A>>>=0A>>> Murat=0A>>>=0A>>> =3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept al= l posts. Check=0A>>> guidelines=0A>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.= edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A>> = The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=0A>> guide= lines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>>=0A= >>=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is moderated & do= es not accept all posts. Check guidelines=0A> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.= buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe= Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & = sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:07:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Camille Martin Subject: new on Camille Martin's website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 I recently uploaded two pages of new collages on my website (Collages 9 & 1= 0) and a link to new poems on 5_Trope: http://camillemartin.ca I hope you enjoy them. Camille Martin =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:43:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0808311814p7dab293cjf5a6adc52c9dc778@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) In Japan, some say that climbing Mount Fuji once is a sacred duty, but only a fool climbs it twice. Hal On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Geraldine, > > Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at one time? > > It was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after > twentyfive years > when I first read it when I was eighteen. > > One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be read > only once, > preferably before one has read any of its numerous imitators. Magical > Realism has become the favorite cliche of non-western writers > presenting > their world to the west. > > Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my > favorite > Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently precise > prose. > > Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses. > > I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 are as > good as > I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to > Dostoevsky. > > > On the other hand, there are novelist who remain as problematic, as > fresh as > they were at first reading. Melville remains first among them, along > with > Proust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read Pierre > again!), but one can not help it. > > Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the quintessential > chick > lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who is > handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield Park > (that's > her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone who > socially > put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know there > is Jane > Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style > take one > over the years? > > Ciao, > > Murat > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk >wrote: > >> Murat, >> I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the reader is >> strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time, >> especially age. I >> was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I had >> a lot of >> reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. I'm >> not even >> sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when I was a >> teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from where I >> was born >> and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was >> magnetic. >> >> Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her simply >> because >> she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as 19th >> Century (not >> that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think that's >> part of the >> fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and yet >> curiously >> old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut reading >> Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. >> >> Geraldine >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" > > >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM >> Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world >> >> >> >> Geraldine, >>> >>> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge >>> left a a >>> very >>> strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago in >>> Turkey (in >>> English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same >>> time. It >>> blew >>> my mind. >>> >>> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert >>> College, >>> the >>> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by >>> missionaries who >>> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed Foster is >>> writing >>> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its >>> surrounding areas >>> up >>> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. >>> >>> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating >>> experience for >>> me, >>> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was wasted. >>> >>> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which interestingly I also >>> thought >>> is the best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry James, >>> who was a >>> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne. >>> My guess >>> is >>> The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, the >>> first few >>> pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. >>> >>> I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. >>> >>> Ciao, >>> >>> Murat >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk >>> wrote: >>> >>> Murat, >>>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love >>>> Wuthering >>>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but they >>>> all love >>>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of the >>>> greatest >>>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format), Henry >>>> James, >>>> Melville, Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking stick >>>> in my >>>> mind >>>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not liking >>>> it that's >>>> a >>>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be harsher >>>> than you >>>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. >>>> >>>> >>>> Murat wrote: >>>> >>>> Geraldine, >>>> >>>> >>>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the English >>>> language? >>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>> >>>> Murat >>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>> guidelines >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>> >>>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >>> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." --George Carlin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:53:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world In-Reply-To: <80914.87413.qm@web65105.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Barry, No I don't mean it in a negative way. I like reading it a lot, but I do feel the critical praise of it is a bit top heavy. Maybe, you are right. That is why I am hesistant to re-read novel which have meant a lot to me. On the other hand, Melville, Proust , Tolstoy, Kleist, to me, Hawthorne can be read in short pieces, as fragment. That way they are more like poems. Ciao, Murat On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Barry Schwabsky wrote: > In his remarkable book Poetry, etcetera: Cleaning House, Jacques Roubaud > defines a poem as something that has no end and that you can only re-read > whereas a novel is something that ends and in principle is not to be re-read > because the ending completes it. "In this sense The Murder of Roger Ackroyd > is the novel par excellence. It's the novel you can't read twice." > Murat, you speak of Austen being chick-lit as if that were a negative? > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Monday, 1 September, 2008 2:14:26 AM > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > Geraldine, > > Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at one time? > > It was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after twentyfive > years > when I first read it when I was eighteen. > > One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be read only > once, > preferably before one has read any of its numerous imitators. Magical > Realism has become the favorite cliche of non-western writers presenting > their world to the west. > > Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my favorite > Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently precise prose. > > Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses. > > I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 are as good > as > I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to > Dostoevsky. > > > On the other hand, there are novelist who remain as problematic, as fresh > as > they were at first reading. Melville remains first among them, along with > Proust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read Pierre > again!), but one can not help it. > > Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the quintessential chick > lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who is > handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield Park (that's > her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone who > socially > put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know there is Jane > Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style take one > over the years? > > Ciao, > > Murat > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk >wrote: > > > Murat, > > I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the reader is > > strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time, especially > age. I > > was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I had a lot > of > > reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. I'm not > even > > sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when I was a > > teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from where I was > born > > and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was magnetic. > > > > Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her simply because > > she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as 19th Century > (not > > that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think that's part of > the > > fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and yet > curiously > > old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut reading > > Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. > > > > Geraldine > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" < > muratnn@GMAIL.COM> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > > > > > Geraldine, > >> > >> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge left a a > >> very > >> strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago in Turkey > (in > >> English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same time. It > >> blew > >> my mind. > >> > >> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert College, > >> the > >> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by missionaries > who > >> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed Foster is > >> writing > >> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its surrounding > areas > >> up > >> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. > >> > >> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating experience for > >> me, > >> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was wasted. > >> > >> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which interestingly I also > >> thought > >> is the best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry James, who was > a > >> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne. My > guess > >> is > >> The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, the first few > >> pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. > >> > >> I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. > >> > >> Ciao, > >> > >> Murat > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk < > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk > >> >wrote: > >> > >> Murat, > >>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love Wuthering > >>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but they all > love > >>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of the > greatest > >>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format), Henry James, > >>> Melville, Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking stick in my > >>> mind > >>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not liking it > that's > >>> a > >>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be harsher than > you > >>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. > >>> > >>> > >>> Murat wrote: > >>> > >>> Geraldine, > >>> > >>> > >>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the English > >>> language? > >>> > >>> Ciao, > >>> > >>> Murat > >>> > >>> ================================== > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >>> guidelines > >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>> > >>> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > >> > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:56:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING?? In-Reply-To: <596616.60823.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I gave a few poetry work shops over the years. I would not permit them to write poems in those work shops. Murat On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:13 PM, steve russell wrote: > Flannery O' Conner said pretty much the same thing about teaching. She > tried to discourage young writers. Those left were either real writers, > fools, or both, as is often the case. > > Wendell Berry did that whole farming thing. Thanks for the tip. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barry Schwabsky > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:36:08 PM > Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING??? > > I actually think it's a really bad idea. If writing poetry is your job, you > should be doing it seven hours a day, five days a week--and I hate to think > of anyone writing that much poetry. I think poets should be more like > farmers: Aren't they paid NOT to grow certain crops? That's the idea that > appeals to me: Pay poets NOT to write poetry. > > Incidentally, there is a very interesting book about these matters--the > pros and cons of public subvention of the arts vs their being left to the > whims of the market, etc.--by a Dutch economist who is also a painter, Hans > Abbing. It's called Why Are Artists Poor? The Exceptional Economy of the > Arts (University of Amsterdam Press). I don't agree with all his > conclusions--he comes down more strongly in favor of the market than I think > is justified--but he really understands the issues from both an artist's and > an economist's viewpoint, a very rare thing. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: tyrone williams > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, 30 August, 2008 7:06:06 PM > Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING??? > > I just returned from Copenhagen. When I asked poet Niels Hav what he "does > for a living," he replied "write poetry." Assuming there was a language > problem, I tried to clarify be asking him what he does to pay the bills. He > told me the state pays him to write. Other poets (it was a dinner party) > chimed in and acknowledged Hav: apparently some artists are provided living > wages just to be artists. And though Niels' work probably falls under the > "school of quietude" banner, it's still a fairly remarkable state of > things..Of course, as they acknowledged, income tax is extremely high (by > our standards) but as one poet said to me, "It's a trade off. We choose to > [urchase security, choose to support arts and artists." He acknowledged that > Denmark's relatively small size had to be taken in as a factor... > > Tyrone > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "steve d. dalachinsky" > >Sent: Aug 30, 2008 12:30 PM > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING??? > > > >possibly enslin fits the bill > > > >On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:44:08 -0700 steve russell > >writes: > >> so i've been thinking about poetry, art, & the difficulties of > >> actually making a living exclusively through art. & when i think of > >> poets, i mean those who can make a living without the benefit of a > >> teaching position. & i also mean 1st rate poets. of recent > >> contemporaries, only Ginsberg comes to mind. Bukowski had his > >> moments, and i consider him an important minor writer, but i don't > >> consider him the equal to Ginsberg as a poet. not by a long shot. > >> > >> of the still living, only Merwin fits the bill. i'm not sure if he's > >> ever had a full time teaching position. i'm not aware of him ever > >> having had a teaching position. he's tutored. he's done > >> translations, & he's won the McArthur grant, if I'm not mistaken. > >> Unlike Auster, Merwin never claimed to have made a cute wager > >> concerning how he made his living. > >> > >> > >> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > >> > >> > > > >================================== > >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:13:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "& Steve, you've pretty much=". Rest of header flushed. From: steve russell Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Murat! Thanks STeve Dalachinsky?=0A=A0=0A& Steve, you've pretty much= captured my character. Not that I blame you. I did, after all, say maybe 2= much=A0regarding my, ugh, extracurricular activities on this listserv. Wha= t the shameless will do for attention still astounds me. =0A=A0=0ABest=0APo= et/truely/in hell=A0=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Murat N= emet-Nejat =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: S= unday, August 31, 2008 2:14:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT= STANDING??=0A=0ASteve,=0A=0AI am sure there are multiple other examples, i= ncluding you. Mine was a free=0Aassociation, and at one time I needed to st= op. What does "within an academic=0Asetting" mean? Is being educated a impe= diment to poetry? Non academic does=0Anot mean anti-intellectual.=0A=0ACiao= ,=0A=0AMurat=0A=0AOn Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 1:54 AM, steve d. dalachinsky wrote:=0A=0A> & this other non degreed steve on the list=0A= > doesn't teach tho he thinks it's one of the noblest professions=0A> he hu= stles=A0 and part of his income when he's not robbing libraries=0A> or comp= uters from universities is made from his poetry=0A> so he must be a fraud= =0A> williams was a doctor stevens insurance=0A> corso a bum=A0 bremser a d= ealer (?) weiners? sold weenies pessoa made pesos=0A> in some office somewh= ere=A0 borges=0A> catullus oops is he still around???=A0 ferlenghetti makes= spagetti lord=0A> buckley=A0 (oops a comedian)=0A> homer sold moblie homes= a home run champion tom savage merry fortune=0A> look at that list you mad= e murat=A0 geez=A0 =A0 steve cannon=0A> all the poets you personally know a= re well educated and work within an=0A> academic system one way or the othe= r=0A> stacy at the poetry project=0A> doesn't anselm teach=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 oops=A0 patty smith=0A> (HA= ) double=A0 =A0 =A0 oops=0A> or does he work at gem spa (joke)=0A> shut up = and get some sleep steve=0A> take that new anti-psychotic drug the doc just= prescribed for ya=0A>=0A> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:31:21 -0400 Murat Nemet-N= ejat =0A> writes:=0A> > Steve,=0A> >=0A> > There is noth= ing cute about *Word To Mouth*. It has a significant=0A> > place in=0A> > A= uster's total work, as I tried to show in my last post=0A> >=0A> > I think = Merwin comes from a prominent family and is independently=0A> > wealthy. I= =0A> > agree with your distinction between poets who make a living out of= =0A> > their=0A> > poetry and those who do it from teaching.=0A> >=0A> > I = am not sure the distinction between minor and major is relevant=0A> > here.= Who=0A> > is to know? There are a many poets I personally know who do not= =0A> > teach, at=0A> > least not in a college or university: Joel Lewis, Ba= sil King, Martha=0A> > King,=0A> > Kimberly Lyons, Ron Silliman, David Chir= ot, Gary Sullivan, Nada=0A> > Gordon,=0A> > Elinor Naueen, Maggie Dubris, B= ob Hershon, Simon Pettet, Ed=0A> > Friedman, Tony=0A> > Towle, Anne Tadros,= Stacy Szymaszek, Anselm Berrigan. The list goes=0A> > on and=0A> > on. On = the other hand, it is informative to inquire if these poets'=0A> > works=0A= > > are different from the poets who teach at a university,=0A> > *specific= ally* in a=0A> > Masters of Fine Department. For instance, Bruce Andrews te= aches I=0A> > think=0A> > philosophy, which is not the same thing.=0A> >=0A= > > Ciao,=0A> >=0A> > Murat=0A> >=0A> > Ciao,=0A> >=0A> > Murat=0A> >=0A> >= =0A> > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM, steve russell=0A> > wrote:=0A> >=0A> > > so i've been thinking about poetry, art, & th= e difficulties of=0A> > actually=0A> > > making a living exclusively throug= h art. & when i think of poets,=0A> > i mean=0A> > > those who can make a l= iving without the benefit of a teaching=0A> > position. & i=0A> > > also me= an 1st rate poets. of recent contemporaries, only Ginsberg=0A> > comes to= =0A> > > mind. Bukowski had his moments, and i consider him an important=0A= > > minor=0A> > > writer, but i don't consider him the equal to Ginsberg as= a poet.=0A> > not by a=0A> > > long shot.=0A> > >=0A> > > of the still liv= ing, only Merwin fits the bill. i'm not sure if=0A> > he's ever=0A> > > had= a full time teaching position. i'm not aware of him ever=0A> > having had = a=0A> >=A0 teaching position. he's tutored. he's done translations, & he's = won=0A> > the=0A> > > McArthur grant, if I'm not mistaken. Unlike Auster, M= erwin never=0A> > claimed to=0A> > > have made a cute wager concerning how = he made his living.=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=0A> > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. C= heck=0A> > guidelines=0A> > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poet= ics/welcome.html=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> >=0A> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=0A> > = guidelines & sub/unsub info:=0A> > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.h= tml=0A> >=0A> >=0A>=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is= moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines=0A> & sub/unsub in= fo: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Chec= k guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html= =0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:43:29 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: twshaner@COMCAST.NET Subject: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Those interested in this discussion should check our magazine Wig, which is devoted to poetry and art composed on the job and/or composed using workplace materials. We are seeking submissions for our long over-due next issue. Please note that Wig is interested in poetry/art that employs the job—its time and materials—for artistic ends, not poetry/art “about” work, necessarily. Think Kora in Hell and Spring and All. Think Reznikoff’s Testimony, O’Hara’s Lunch Poems and Juliana Spahr’s Live and her most recent book The Transformation. (Note: we do not differentiate academic labor from non-academic labor.) Our first (and so far only) issue includes work by: Kit Robinson, CA Conrad, Laura Elrick, Bill Howe, Kristen Gallagher (the co-editor of Wig), Chris Alexander, Marcus Bales, Anselm Berrigan, Mike Kelleher, and Chris Stroffolino. You can purchase it for $5 by sending a check (made out to me) or cash to: Tim Shaner 130 E 49th Ave Eugene, OR 97405 For us, the fact that poets can’t make a living off of their poetry is not only a given but a gift, of sorts. It is poetry’s strength that it exists beyond the logic of market forces, as a form of what Bataille calls “non-productive expenditure.” This, of course, does not mean that it cannot reproduce the logic of capitalism in its form. Only that, even when it does, it still exists in the realm of a hobby according to “the market.” Why do it? What’s the point? Think of all the productive ways you could be using your time. In much of this discussion so far (save Barry's), there seems to be an unspoken assumption that poets ought to be able to make a living writing poetry. In my mind, the dilemma of livelihood that the poet faces leads directly to questioning the legitimacy of what Hannah Arendt in The Human Condition calls the “laboring society,” a society in which making a living trumps every other form of human activity. Poetry, in such a society, is not only a waste of time but a wasting of time—the kind that defines it as money, as “quality time.” This is poetry’s strength, insofar as it challenges, by the fact of its inexplicable existence, the given order. As Charles Bernstein has noted, poetry devalues the very paper it is written on, which means that it testifies to a different value form: that of the gift economy. Charles’s dictum can only be true if we buy into the logic of the market—the very thing we do when we argue that poets ought to be able to make a living from their poetry. Po ets sh ould, like anyone, be able to make a living AND write their poetry (Arendt defines the former as ‘labor” and the latter as ‘work’), but because labor monopolizes time, squeezing all other forms of human activity into the realm of so-called “free time,” we are forced to either write on the run, as Williams so successfully did, or to become “starving artists,” the latter of which has become increasingly difficult to pull off in this age of flexploitation and institutionalized insecurity, as Pierre Bourdieu called it. (Insofar as the academy adheres to the dictates of the laboring society, academic poets are also forced to write on the run, that is in the interstices—or what Kit Robinson calls—the slack time of the laboring day. Because the academic year is so crammed with busy-ness, the imperative of productivity haunts the summer months—too much loafing and you may find yourself out of a job.) To devote one’s life to poetry is a Bartlebyian act of defiance, a refusal of the first order. It is, intrinsically, a rejection of the laboring imperative: that labor is what defines the human – labor being, as Arendt reminds us, the lowest form of human activity according to the Greeks (which is not to say that humans can’t draw from it a sense of fulfillment). The question poetry brings to the table, then, is its implicit questioning of labor as our highest calling. It speaks for the need to put labor in its place, as a necessary human activity but only that: something we must perform in order to sustain ourselves, but not the primary activity of our lives. (We have long since had the tools to lift ourselves out of this primal condition.) So, to imply that poets ought to be able to make a living off their poetry is to approach the issue of livelihood from the wrong direction. Poetry, because it takes time to write, draws attention to labor’s monopolization of our time, and hence to the need to reduce the amount of time devoted to labor. Poets wouldn’t need to make a living off their poetry if the workweek was cut in half. In that sense, the poet’s dilemma is everyone’s. This is how poets, in my mind, connect with the larger public—not in their efforts to represent the public’s interest by becoming their voice—but through the action of wr iting, which is a poaching of company time—all time in the laboring society being company time. Our dilemma is common: we all need our time back. Our labor should create that surplus of time, not erase it. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:21:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jack micheline baUDELAIRE rimbaud On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:59:57 +0800 andrew burke writes: > How about Ogden Nash? How did he go? > > Andrew > > 2008/8/31 Barry Schwabsky : > > Today, poets who make a living from poetry (and not from teaching) > can only do so through the combination of sales, readings, and > fellowships. Ashbery wrote art criticism and then taught until he > got his Macarthur; I think he has been a full-time professional poet > in the above sense since then. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Charles Alexander > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Saturday, 30 August, 2008 5:19:36 PM > > Subject: Re: poetry & $$$$$/WHO IS LEFT STANDING??? > > > > i haven't verified this, but a professor once told me that the > last > > poet to make a living from the "publication and sales" of poetry > > (this does NOT include lecture fees, readings, poetry-related > > teaching gigs, etc.) was Alfred Tennyson. But then, there can't > have > > been too many to do so, at any time in history, right? > > > > charles > > > > > > charles alexander > > chax press > > chax@theriver.com > > 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 > > tucson arizona 85705 > > 520 620 1626 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:44 PM, steve russell wrote: > > > >> so i've been thinking about poetry, art, & the difficulties of > >> actually making a living exclusively through art. & when i think > of > >> poets, i mean those who can make a living without the benefit of > a > >> teaching position. & i also mean 1st rate poets. of recent > >> contemporaries, only Ginsberg comes to mind. Bukowski had his > >> moments, and i consider him an important minor writer, but i > don't > >> consider him the equal to Ginsberg as a poet. not by a long > shot. > >> > >> of the still living, only Merwin fits the bill. i'm not sure if > >> he's ever had a full time teaching position. i'm not aware of > him > >> ever having had a teaching position. he's tutored. he's done > >> translations, & he's won the McArthur grant, if I'm not > mistaken. > >> Unlike Auster, Merwin never claimed to have made a cute wager > >> concerning how he made his living. > >> > >> > >> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > >> welcome.html > >> > > > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:51:15 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geraldine Monk Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the quintessential chick > lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who is > handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield Park (that's > her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone who > socially > put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know there is Jane > Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style take > one > over the years? > Murat, I can't really answer this because I haven't read any 'chick lit' - I don't read many novels now - I get a bit impatient with them. But I dare say Austen laid down the template for this kind of literature. One of the reasons I wouldn't now read Austen is because there are so many amazing bios coming on the market of 17th &18th century women. Writers like Mary Robinson or Margaret, Duchess of Newcastle (with the annoying title Mad Madge) and many who were not writers but managed to step outside their social restraints and did some pretty 'scandalous' things. Why read novels when you can read about real people. I don't think there are any rules about re-reading novels though - except they might not be quite as good as you remembered. Malcolm Lowry's Under the Volcano can easily sustain more than one reading but I'd never read D.H. Lawrence again - done him - enjoyed at the time but I think he might drive me nuts if I read them now. Geraldine ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:08:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit but what else cd a woman write about, what else had she access to? & austen wasn't sentimental say in persuasion where the woman he chooses is the right woman for him, as they are similar equals. i had the same prob w/ dusty evsky, as one of my students called him--loved him so then cdn't take him in recent yrs, not sure what that means. ruth lepson On 9/1/08 2:43 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > In Japan, some say that climbing Mount Fuji once is a sacred > duty, but only a fool climbs it twice. > > Hal > > On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > >> Geraldine, >> >> Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at one time? >> >> It was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after >> twentyfive years >> when I first read it when I was eighteen. >> >> One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be read >> only once, >> preferably before one has read any of its numerous imitators. Magical >> Realism has become the favorite cliche of non-western writers >> presenting >> their world to the west. >> >> Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my >> favorite >> Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently precise >> prose. >> >> Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses. >> >> I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 are as >> good as >> I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to >> Dostoevsky. >> >> >> On the other hand, there are novelist who remain as problematic, as >> fresh as >> they were at first reading. Melville remains first among them, along >> with >> Proust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read Pierre >> again!), but one can not help it. >> >> Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the quintessential >> chick >> lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who is >> handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield Park >> (that's >> her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone who >> socially >> put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know there >> is Jane >> Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style >> take one >> over the years? >> >> Ciao, >> >> Murat >> >> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk >> wrote: >> >>> Murat, >>> I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the reader is >>> strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time, >>> especially age. I >>> was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I had >>> a lot of >>> reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. I'm >>> not even >>> sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when I was a >>> teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from where I >>> was born >>> and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was >>> magnetic. >>> >>> Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her simply >>> because >>> she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as 19th >>> Century (not >>> that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think that's >>> part of the >>> fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and yet >>> curiously >>> old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut reading >>> Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. >>> >>> Geraldine >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world >>> >>> >>> >>> Geraldine, >>>> >>>> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge >>>> left a a >>>> very >>>> strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago in >>>> Turkey (in >>>> English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same >>>> time. It >>>> blew >>>> my mind. >>>> >>>> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert >>>> College, >>>> the >>>> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by >>>> missionaries who >>>> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed Foster is >>>> writing >>>> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its >>>> surrounding areas >>>> up >>>> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. >>>> >>>> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating >>>> experience for >>>> me, >>>> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was wasted. >>>> >>>> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which interestingly I also >>>> thought >>>> is the best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry James, >>>> who was a >>>> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne. >>>> My guess >>>> is >>>> The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, the >>>> first few >>>> pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. >>>> >>>> I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. >>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>> >>>> Murat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Murat, >>>>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love >>>>> Wuthering >>>>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but they >>>>> all love >>>>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of the >>>>> greatest >>>>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format), Henry >>>>> James, >>>>> Melville, Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking stick >>>>> in my >>>>> mind >>>>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not liking >>>>> it that's >>>>> a >>>>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be harsher >>>>> than you >>>>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Murat wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Geraldine, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the English >>>>> language? >>>>> >>>>> Ciao, >>>>> >>>>> Murat >>>>> >>>>> ================================== >>>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>>>> guidelines >>>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ================================== >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Good to hear you read it right through, > as it's designed to be read that way, as a sequence of poems. There's > just the one ed., by the way, and the contributor you mention is > Messenger (another, of course, Schwabsky). >=20 > Best, > Philip Rowland >=20 > On Aug 31, 2008, at 4:20 AM, Ruth Lepson wrote: >=20 >> Thanks to the eds of Noon=8Bjust got my copy & yes how poetry is >> presented >> makes a big difference=8BI stopped what I was doing to read the whole >> thing. >> (=B3I can=B9t believe I read the whole thing!=B2) It is short, true. >>=20 >> Fine poems by list members, for ex Barry Schawbsky, Ravi Shankar, >> Halvard >> Johnson, Philip Messinger. >>=20 >> Ruth Lepson >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:41:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0809011153u1e866426rd225a948d7a64499@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Of course, it is a poet who is saying poems may be read endlessly and novels not!! When you join the Poet's Union, there's a clause in there you have to sign in blood that says, no matter what, you will never let any other form of writing be more favorably compared to poetry in one's presence or by oneself, on the pain of immediate and ever lasting punishment under the laws & Codes of Poetic Justice-- Actually all my life I have had a small handful of books fiction poetry non fiction that i pretty much read continuously--here and there one or two will drop out and be replaced with new favorites--but i never get tired of them--reading in fragments or chunks and interweaving them so that lines of poems are found among descritpions of forged battle plans in an imaginary writers story in a short story and a novel may be found to contain an Anarkeyology of crumbling non fiction silting in with that frayed lines of poems forming into a mimicking camouflaged appearing "terrain,." Always have a couple of these talismanic tomes on my persons for those sudden emergencies when one is swept up and finds oneself i the elsewheres of hospitals police precincts wrong bus stop in the middle of nowhere, abandoned houses in the middle of nights suddenly alive with ghosts or quite simply at any given moment of the day when taken by surprise on is found wandering again through those familiar words which seems to heave of a sudden detoured into territory so strange that it is impossible to believe yet there before one's very eyes that yes, on page 23, in the bottom right part of the lat paragraph--is a passage that suddenly swings open and reveals an entirely new world inside, like that wall in which there is a door out of nowhere in the H. G. Wells story through which the passerby discovers one can travel as through a portal among universes. Truly one never remotely tires of these books and none of them have any ending at al even though occasionally one decides to play at being a rational and orderly processional person and does in deed "read straight through from beginning to end,"--and each word is not the same as previously and its familiarity , the intimacy one has it with , is, like intimacy, the creation of a mystery anew with in every instant of its intimicy with the intimacies of it mysteries-intertwining- I sometimes wonder if I am simply stuck like a raft in a whirlpool in a river but no--since these tomes texts fragments volcanic actions and explosions, are al continuously disintegrating and reforming, re arranging, finding new meanings among the disordered alleys of their carelessly strewn and tossed about left over various participles and hanging clauses and lines that frankly made no sense--suddenly al of it gathering in a rush and one finds oneself at the naissance of a cosmos completely unsuspected and which is heaving and breathing with the convulsions of birth-- those Jim Thompson Murat i have read both of them abt twenty times and never tired of them--truly the books poems and images sounds characters beings histories become so much part of one they are always cropping up as one is kneeling working in the dirt--parting some grass and smashed stones-there it is! a line of a poem hobnobbing with a bunch of characters on the lam from a a brilliant Sciascia book, warily playing cards with a bunch of cutthroats from Rimbaud's illuminations and in the background is the west Texas sky of the opening of The killer Inside Me-- now a character who moved into my works hangs out with these lot--bloody discussions of the violence of words when used to conceal among their moral suasions the true thick and heavy blood of the slaughterhouse that runs under one's feet or like when the man in the cell next to me was killed and he blood ran in the little gutter for piss-- and blood flows in books not only words and death stalks in the pages as they shudder in a breeze--and a wild set of heathen gods is roasting something just over the hill as one realises that the marginalia in a text have cannibalized the original-- and time to find another yet another copy! of the same volume-- because no matter how muh one reads it, the miracle is one never memorizes it, and each time it really is a different series of words than the last people go through life living with certain people in their lives long long times- and so it is with the great modern inventions of paperback pocket books that fold and fall apart and are held together out of sheer willpower and who cares if the pages begin to make new arrangements al their own with here and there a few slipping away like thieves in the night while others come in, hidden and darkly plotting among the over heaped baskets of apples or piles of hot bricks, the heavy loads of aniomals furs-- Really, no book has an end, and when one is afraid of book one is so totally in love with and never wants it to end, slowing down and down and down to put off as long as possible or maybe just not ever reach the end, so one can start over again and not know ever really what the "ending is." Because does the ending matter, Ivonne feels the ending will be the ending of this intensity of intimacy of beings--then of course not-! one might even just jerk out the last set of pages and stuff them in the back of a police's man motorcycle car while he is writing a ticket for blind deaf and dumb jay walker-- another good thing abt always having these companion with one is that one has always paper with which to write! and companions with whom to carry o conversations aloud or silently- and what better honor than to write one's bizarre effusions among those words one both knows and does not, the uncanny in full regalia before one continually-- when i was on hose arrest ion Poland for two weeks at one point i had two books actually with me in english to read-- notmysual ones which were stored in sweden-but byby a fluke ulysses by james joyce and spoils of poynton by Henry James and Rimbaud quarter or so of book that had fallen apart and ditto with a Raymond chandler flapping one winged---as the back cover had long ago flown south on its own-- yet with those four directions as it were--the cosmos opens-- and one can read for sure Ulysses many times over in succession and it is never the same a good and esp great writer are never the same--and maybe it it is the reader plays a part also of course- but then there are so many books which if one essayed this--one wd feel as though in manacles long before the arrest!! or before the accident would feel a massive concussion or simply as though-- endlessness is not a happy endlessness but being doomed to an etrnerity of dullness, unimaginative and pompous and narrow minded didactic "sophistory "aka soporifics--a new form of cocktail philosophy, which Iike the Dial for N. Hawthorne, sends one immediately in to the lands of Morpheus remember jean Genet had very little to work with in his prison cells!! it does not take al that many words with which one works continuously to reform them over and over again like those pieces of bread roiled about in the hands to soften and make them sticky in order to keep attached to the metal flesh of a locker door--those flesh drenched black and white grainy fotos of criminals that excite the writer-- the sexuality a writer/reader shares in the intimacy of being confined with the texts and those texts that he is beginning to breed with this companion-- why prisons have been veritable Schools of Writing with man quite distinguished members attending off and on--and producing works far finer than many of those fossilized forms that are carefully drawn to plan when taught in the writing factories- why not? give Adolf Wolfi some pencils and watch him rip!! Mr Milton Mr Cervantes mr Villon Chester Himes the fellow who wrote--Caryl Chessman-one better not get started Borstal Boy and Malcolm X--twenty million more you se--Gregory Corso--people tottering abt in the Yard with book-- wearing it out and never getting to he end-- to be confined with a few books is to discover there is no end to them, if they are good ones- and maybe if they aren't quite good enough, after awhile, as one figures it-- not really good enough,, why--then--to set to work to set that score right!! and suddenly realize one is starting to find ways al one's own for making up these forms and stories and to heck with being confined in some one else's rule books-- and Villon le Bon Dieu le sait- reading over and over for years on end the same few books in continual oscillation -and so in what may at first appear a a confinement, a gerbil running on the wheel to nowhere-- to find ever more possibilities and ideas imaginations structures forms emerge--endlessly-- a negentropy of--emergence- and so leave m roubaud and others to the entropy of the satisfaction of determining that novels end here, and poems, of course, being those forms of writings made by beings like unto oneself who like oneself have signed the oath of loyalty to the secret of never endings-- produce programmaticly an endlessness now--just because something is without end, does this mean that it is--may one indeed guarantee this--if it is without end, is it then able to avoid that yawning chasm--to be without loss of interest or energy or repeating itself?-- ah indeed the dangers of the steady state universe of the never ending endlessness!! yes--one goes forward in endlessness and finds--??? well -- finds that novels at least have an end-- well the other one, locked away in the confines somewhere-- finds an inexhaustible flow of possibilities-- and thinks that sometimes, it is a good thing for a novel to have an end, and maybe not so good for a poem not to have one!! yes, al things need to be seen from many angles of the dangle do they not--whistling gaily, --he addresses the fly with its thousand prismed eye- and goes back to writing with the thinnest bit of black shoe polish on the end of p]in inside the lines of one of his three endlessly read books-- and singing, having combined shoe polish and thus walking inbetwen the lines as he is writing-- yes--singing-- "I Walk the Line"-- On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Barry, > > No I don't mean it in a negative way. I like reading it a lot, but I do > feel > the critical praise of it is a bit top heavy. > > Maybe, you are right. That is why I am hesistant to re-read novel which > have > meant a lot to me. On the other hand, Melville, Proust , Tolstoy, Kleist, > to > me, Hawthorne can be read in short pieces, as fragment. That way they are > more like poems. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Barry Schwabsky < > b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com > > wrote: > > > In his remarkable book Poetry, etcetera: Cleaning House, Jacques Roubaud > > defines a poem as something that has no end and that you can only re-read > > whereas a novel is something that ends and in principle is not to be > re-read > > because the ending completes it. "In this sense The Murder of Roger > Ackroyd > > is the novel par excellence. It's the novel you can't read twice." > > Murat, you speak of Austen being chick-lit as if that were a negative? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Monday, 1 September, 2008 2:14:26 AM > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > Geraldine, > > > > Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at one time? > > > > It was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after twentyfive > > years > > when I first read it when I was eighteen. > > > > One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be read only > > once, > > preferably before one has read any of its numerous imitators. Magical > > Realism has become the favorite cliche of non-western writers presenting > > their world to the west. > > > > Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my favorite > > Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently precise prose. > > > > Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses. > > > > I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 are as good > > as > > I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to > > Dostoevsky. > > > > > > On the other hand, there are novelist who remain as problematic, as fresh > > as > > they were at first reading. Melville remains first among them, along with > > Proust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read Pierre > > again!), but one can not help it. > > > > Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the quintessential chick > > lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who is > > handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield Park (that's > > her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone who > > socially > > put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know there is > Jane > > Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style take > one > > over the years? > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk < > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk > > >wrote: > > > > > Murat, > > > I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the reader is > > > strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time, especially > > age. I > > > was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I had a > lot > > of > > > reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. I'm not > > even > > > sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when I was a > > > teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from where I was > > born > > > and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was magnetic. > > > > > > Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her simply because > > > she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as 19th Century > > (not > > > that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think that's part of > > the > > > fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and yet > > curiously > > > old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut reading > > > Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. > > > > > > Geraldine > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" < > > muratnn@GMAIL.COM> > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > > > > > > > > > Geraldine, > > >> > > >> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge left a > a > > >> very > > >> strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago in Turkey > > (in > > >> English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same time. It > > >> blew > > >> my mind. > > >> > > >> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert > College, > > >> the > > >> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by missionaries > > who > > >> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed Foster is > > >> writing > > >> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its surrounding > > areas > > >> up > > >> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. > > >> > > >> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating experience > for > > >> me, > > >> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was wasted. > > >> > > >> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which interestingly I also > > >> thought > > >> is the best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry James, who > was > > a > > >> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne. My > > guess > > >> is > > >> The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, the first > few > > >> pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. > > >> > > >> I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. > > >> > > >> Ciao, > > >> > > >> Murat > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk < > > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk > > >> >wrote: > > >> > > >> Murat, > > >>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love Wuthering > > >>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but they all > > love > > >>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of the > > greatest > > >>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format), Henry > James, > > >>> Melville, Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking stick in > my > > >>> mind > > >>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not liking it > > that's > > >>> a > > >>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be harsher than > > you > > >>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Murat wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Geraldine, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the English > > >>> language? > > >>> > > >>> Ciao, > > >>> > > >>> Murat > > >>> > > >>> ================================== > > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > >>> guidelines > > >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >>> > > >>> > > >> ================================== > > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:03:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A friend yesterday let me know that Armand Schwarner (sp?) - at least his name - appears in Bolano's Savage Detectives. This has some bearing on novelists reading poets, and vice versa. I will now definitely read the Bolano. He's earned my respect - or desire to read him - with the mere mention of Armand. A real provincial when it comes to reading most novels, partly because I am a slow reader, and partly because I read them, when I do, for the poetry,(Proust, James, Joyce, Faulkner, Woolf, Collette, etc.) and, I suspect most novelists don't write for the poetry, nor for that matter, read much poetry. And that's kind of irritating. (The contradiction is that many of us will chew away on probably terrible translations of French and German philosophers, and such will throw our poetry into new directions). But any novelist who mentions Armand, he's OK by me! (I also hear it's a wonderful book (novel).) Stephen V David Chirot wrote: Of course, it is a poet who is saying poems may be read endlessly and novels not!! When you join the Poet's Union, there's a clause in there you have to sign in blood that says, no matter what, you will never let any other form of writing be more favorably compared to poetry in one's presence or by oneself, on the pain of immediate and ever lasting punishment under the laws & Codes of Poetic Justice-- Actually all my life I have had a small handful of books fiction poetry non fiction that i pretty much read continuously--here and there one or two will drop out and be replaced with new favorites--but i never get tired of them--reading in fragments or chunks and interweaving them so that lines of poems are found among descritpions of forged battle plans in an imaginary writers story in a short story and a novel may be found to contain an Anarkeyology of crumbling non fiction silting in with that frayed lines of poems forming into a mimicking camouflaged appearing "terrain,." Always have a couple of these talismanic tomes on my persons for those sudden emergencies when one is swept up and finds oneself i the elsewheres of hospitals police precincts wrong bus stop in the middle of nowhere, abandoned houses in the middle of nights suddenly alive with ghosts or quite simply at any given moment of the day when taken by surprise on is found wandering again through those familiar words which seems to heave of a sudden detoured into territory so strange that it is impossible to believe yet there before one's very eyes that yes, on page 23, in the bottom right part of the lat paragraph--is a passage that suddenly swings open and reveals an entirely new world inside, like that wall in which there is a door out of nowhere in the H. G. Wells story through which the passerby discovers one can travel as through a portal among universes. Truly one never remotely tires of these books and none of them have any ending at al even though occasionally one decides to play at being a rational and orderly processional person and does in deed "read straight through from beginning to end,"--and each word is not the same as previously and its familiarity , the intimacy one has it with , is, like intimacy, the creation of a mystery anew with in every instant of its intimicy with the intimacies of it mysteries-intertwining- I sometimes wonder if I am simply stuck like a raft in a whirlpool in a river but no--since these tomes texts fragments volcanic actions and explosions, are al continuously disintegrating and reforming, re arranging, finding new meanings among the disordered alleys of their carelessly strewn and tossed about left over various participles and hanging clauses and lines that frankly made no sense--suddenly al of it gathering in a rush and one finds oneself at the naissance of a cosmos completely unsuspected and which is heaving and breathing with the convulsions of birth-- those Jim Thompson Murat i have read both of them abt twenty times and never tired of them--truly the books poems and images sounds characters beings histories become so much part of one they are always cropping up as one is kneeling working in the dirt--parting some grass and smashed stones-there it is! a line of a poem hobnobbing with a bunch of characters on the lam from a a brilliant Sciascia book, warily playing cards with a bunch of cutthroats from Rimbaud's illuminations and in the background is the west Texas sky of the opening of The killer Inside Me-- now a character who moved into my works hangs out with these lot--bloody discussions of the violence of words when used to conceal among their moral suasions the true thick and heavy blood of the slaughterhouse that runs under one's feet or like when the man in the cell next to me was killed and he blood ran in the little gutter for piss-- and blood flows in books not only words and death stalks in the pages as they shudder in a breeze--and a wild set of heathen gods is roasting something just over the hill as one realises that the marginalia in a text have cannibalized the original-- and time to find another yet another copy! of the same volume-- because no matter how muh one reads it, the miracle is one never memorizes it, and each time it really is a different series of words than the last people go through life living with certain people in their lives long long times- and so it is with the great modern inventions of paperback pocket books that fold and fall apart and are held together out of sheer willpower and who cares if the pages begin to make new arrangements al their own with here and there a few slipping away like thieves in the night while others come in, hidden and darkly plotting among the over heaped baskets of apples or piles of hot bricks, the heavy loads of aniomals furs-- Really, no book has an end, and when one is afraid of book one is so totally in love with and never wants it to end, slowing down and down and down to put off as long as possible or maybe just not ever reach the end, so one can start over again and not know ever really what the "ending is." Because does the ending matter, Ivonne feels the ending will be the ending of this intensity of intimacy of beings--then of course not-! one might even just jerk out the last set of pages and stuff them in the back of a police's man motorcycle car while he is writing a ticket for blind deaf and dumb jay walker-- another good thing abt always having these companion with one is that one has always paper with which to write! and companions with whom to carry o conversations aloud or silently- and what better honor than to write one's bizarre effusions among those words one both knows and does not, the uncanny in full regalia before one continually-- when i was on hose arrest ion Poland for two weeks at one point i had two books actually with me in english to read-- notmysual ones which were stored in sweden-but byby a fluke ulysses by james joyce and spoils of poynton by Henry James and Rimbaud quarter or so of book that had fallen apart and ditto with a Raymond chandler flapping one winged---as the back cover had long ago flown south on its own-- yet with those four directions as it were--the cosmos opens-- and one can read for sure Ulysses many times over in succession and it is never the same a good and esp great writer are never the same--and maybe it it is the reader plays a part also of course- but then there are so many books which if one essayed this--one wd feel as though in manacles long before the arrest!! or before the accident would feel a massive concussion or simply as though-- endlessness is not a happy endlessness but being doomed to an etrnerity of dullness, unimaginative and pompous and narrow minded didactic "sophistory "aka soporifics--a new form of cocktail philosophy, which Iike the Dial for N. Hawthorne, sends one immediately in to the lands of Morpheus remember jean Genet had very little to work with in his prison cells!! it does not take al that many words with which one works continuously to reform them over and over again like those pieces of bread roiled about in the hands to soften and make them sticky in order to keep attached to the metal flesh of a locker door--those flesh drenched black and white grainy fotos of criminals that excite the writer-- the sexuality a writer/reader shares in the intimacy of being confined with the texts and those texts that he is beginning to breed with this companion-- why prisons have been veritable Schools of Writing with man quite distinguished members attending off and on--and producing works far finer than many of those fossilized forms that are carefully drawn to plan when taught in the writing factories- why not? give Adolf Wolfi some pencils and watch him rip!! Mr Milton Mr Cervantes mr Villon Chester Himes the fellow who wrote--Caryl Chessman-one better not get started Borstal Boy and Malcolm X--twenty million more you se--Gregory Corso--people tottering abt in the Yard with book-- wearing it out and never getting to he end-- to be confined with a few books is to discover there is no end to them, if they are good ones- and maybe if they aren't quite good enough, after awhile, as one figures it-- not really good enough,, why--then--to set to work to set that score right!! and suddenly realize one is starting to find ways al one's own for making up these forms and stories and to heck with being confined in some one else's rule books-- and Villon le Bon Dieu le sait- reading over and over for years on end the same few books in continual oscillation -and so in what may at first appear a a confinement, a gerbil running on the wheel to nowhere-- to find ever more possibilities and ideas imaginations structures forms emerge--endlessly-- a negentropy of--emergence- and so leave m roubaud and others to the entropy of the satisfaction of determining that novels end here, and poems, of course, being those forms of writings made by beings like unto oneself who like oneself have signed the oath of loyalty to the secret of never endings-- produce programmaticly an endlessness now--just because something is without end, does this mean that it is--may one indeed guarantee this--if it is without end, is it then able to avoid that yawning chasm--to be without loss of interest or energy or repeating itself?-- ah indeed the dangers of the steady state universe of the never ending endlessness!! yes--one goes forward in endlessness and finds--??? well -- finds that novels at least have an end-- well the other one, locked away in the confines somewhere-- finds an inexhaustible flow of possibilities-- and thinks that sometimes, it is a good thing for a novel to have an end, and maybe not so good for a poem not to have one!! yes, al things need to be seen from many angles of the dangle do they not--whistling gaily, --he addresses the fly with its thousand prismed eye- and goes back to writing with the thinnest bit of black shoe polish on the end of p]in inside the lines of one of his three endlessly read books-- and singing, having combined shoe polish and thus walking inbetwen the lines as he is writing-- yes--singing-- "I Walk the Line"-- On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Barry, > > No I don't mean it in a negative way. I like reading it a lot, but I do > feel > the critical praise of it is a bit top heavy. > > Maybe, you are right. That is why I am hesistant to re-read novel which > have > meant a lot to me. On the other hand, Melville, Proust , Tolstoy, Kleist, > to > me, Hawthorne can be read in short pieces, as fragment. That way they are > more like poems. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Barry Schwabsky < > b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com > > wrote: > > > In his remarkable book Poetry, etcetera: Cleaning House, Jacques Roubaud > > defines a poem as something that has no end and that you can only re-read > > whereas a novel is something that ends and in principle is not to be > re-read > > because the ending completes it. "In this sense The Murder of Roger > Ackroyd > > is the novel par excellence. It's the novel you can't read twice." > > Murat, you speak of Austen being chick-lit as if that were a negative? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Monday, 1 September, 2008 2:14:26 AM > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > Geraldine, > > > > Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at one time? > > > > It was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after twentyfive > > years > > when I first read it when I was eighteen. > > > > One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be read only > > once, > > preferably before one has read any of its numerous imitators. Magical > > Realism has become the favorite cliche of non-western writers presenting > > their world to the west. > > > > Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my favorite > > Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently precise prose. > > > > Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses. > > > > I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 are as good > > as > > I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to > > Dostoevsky. > > > > > > On the other hand, there are novelist who remain as problematic, as fresh > > as > > they were at first reading. Melville remains first among them, along with > > Proust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read Pierre > > again!), but one can not help it. > > > > Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the quintessential chick > > lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who is > > handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield Park (that's > > her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone who > > socially > > put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know there is > Jane > > Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style take > one > > over the years? > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk < > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk > > >wrote: > > > > > Murat, > > > I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the reader is > > > strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time, especially > > age. I > > > was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I had a > lot > > of > > > reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. I'm not > > even > > > sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when I was a > > > teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from where I was > > born > > > and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was magnetic. > > > > > > Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her simply because > > > she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as 19th Century > > (not > > > that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think that's part of > > the > > > fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and yet > > curiously > > > old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut reading > > > Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. > > > > > > Geraldine > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" < > > muratnn@GMAIL.COM> > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > > > > > > > > > Geraldine, > > >> > > >> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge left a > a > > >> very > > >> strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago in Turkey > > (in > > >> English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same time. It > > >> blew > > >> my mind. > > >> > > >> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert > College, > > >> the > > >> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by missionaries > > who > > >> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed Foster is > > >> writing > > >> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its surrounding > > areas > > >> up > > >> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. > > >> > > >> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating experience > for > > >> me, > > >> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was wasted. > > >> > > >> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which interestingly I also > > >> thought > > >> is the best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry James, who > was > > a > > >> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne. My > > guess > > >> is > > >> The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, the first > few > > >> pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. > > >> > > >> I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. > > >> > > >> Ciao, > > >> > > >> Murat > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk < > > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk > > >> >wrote: > > >> > > >> Murat, > > >>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love Wuthering > > >>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but they all > > love > > >>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of the > > greatest > > >>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format), Henry > James, > > >>> Melville, Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking stick in > my > > >>> mind > > >>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not liking it > > that's > > >>> a > > >>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be harsher than > > you > > >>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Murat wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Geraldine, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the English > > >>> language? > > >>> > > >>> Ciao, > > >>> > > >>> Murat > > >>> > > >>> ================================== > > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > > >>> guidelines > > >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >>> > > >>> > > >> ================================== > > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:14:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: NOON 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even more than in the previous issues that I have seen, Noon 6 succeeds in = exemplifying--and I don't know how other contributors feel about this, but = I am very pleased with it--the Borgesian idea that all literature can be re= ad as by a single author, that "in this correlation, the identity or plural= ity of men" (or of women) "doesn't matter."=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Messa= ge ----=0AFrom: Ruth Lepson =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV= .BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 12:19:33 AM=0ASubject: Re: = NOON 6=0A=0Amy pleasure, philip, fine book.=0A=0A=0AOn 9/1/08 9:17 AM, "Phi= lip Rowland" wrote:=0A=0A> Thanks, Ruth, for commenting= . Good to hear you read it right through,=0A> as it's designed to be read t= hat way, as a sequence of poems. There's=0A> just the one ed., by the way, = and the contributor you mention is=0A> Messenger (another, of course, Schwa= bsky).=0A> =0A> Best,=0A> Philip Rowland=0A> =0A> On Aug 31, 2008, at 4:20 = AM, Ruth Lepson wrote:=0A> =0A>> Thanks to the eds of Noon=E2=80=B9just got= my copy & yes how poetry is=0A>> presented=0A>> makes a big difference=E2= =80=B9I stopped what I was doing to read the whole=0A>> thing.=0A>> (=C2=B3= I can=C2=B9t believe I read the whole thing!=C2=B2) It is short, true.=0A>>= =0A>> Fine poems by list members, for ex Barry Schawbsky, Ravi Shankar,=0A= >> Halvard=0A>> Johnson, Philip Messinger.=0A>> =0A>> Ruth Lepson=0A>> =0A>= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A>> The Poetics List is moderated & does no= t accept all posts. Check=0A>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buff= alo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A> =0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The = Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines &= =0A> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept = all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetic= s/welcome.html=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:27:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually,=C2=A0Roubaud writes both, but looks to me to have written more no= vels than poetry.=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: David Chirot = =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Tuesday= , 2 September, 2008 12:41:31 AM=0ASubject: Re: insomnia, words that do not = survive the world=0A=0AOf course, it is a poet who is saying poems may be r= ead endlessly and novels=0Anot!!=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:14:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1 for the money two for the show t(h)ree to get ready now go CAT go On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:43:23 -0500 Halvard Johnson writes: > In Japan, some say that climbing Mount Fuji once is a sacred > duty, but only a fool climbs it twice. > > Hal > > On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > > > Geraldine, > > > > Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at one > time? > > > > It was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after > > twentyfive years > > when I first read it when I was eighteen. > > > > One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be read > > > only once, > > preferably before one has read any of its numerous imitators. > Magical > > Realism has become the favorite cliche of non-western writers > > presenting > > their world to the west. > > > > Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my > > favorite > > Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently precise > > > prose. > > > > Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses. > > > > I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 are > as > > good as > > I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to > > > Dostoevsky. > > > > > > On the other hand, there are novelist who remain as problematic, > as > > fresh as > > they were at first reading. Melville remains first among them, > along > > with > > Proust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read > Pierre > > again!), but one can not help it. > > > > Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the > quintessential > > chick > > lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who > is > > handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield Park > > > (that's > > her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone > who > > socially > > put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know there > > > is Jane > > Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style > > > take one > > over the years? > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk > > >wrote: > > > >> Murat, > >> I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the reader > is > >> strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time, > >> especially age. I > >> was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I > had > >> a lot of > >> reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. > I'm > >> not even > >> sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when I > was a > >> teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from where I > > >> was born > >> and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was > >> magnetic. > >> > >> Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her simply > > >> because > >> she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as 19th > > >> Century (not > >> that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think that's > > >> part of the > >> fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and > yet > >> curiously > >> old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut > reading > >> Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. > >> > >> Geraldine > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" > >> > > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM > >> Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > >> > >> > >> > >> Geraldine, > >>> > >>> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge > > >>> left a a > >>> very > >>> strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago in > > >>> Turkey (in > >>> English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same > >>> time. It > >>> blew > >>> my mind. > >>> > >>> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert > > >>> College, > >>> the > >>> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by > >>> missionaries who > >>> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed > Foster is > >>> writing > >>> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its > >>> surrounding areas > >>> up > >>> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. > >>> > >>> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating > >>> experience for > >>> me, > >>> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was > wasted. > >>> > >>> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which interestingly I > also > >>> thought > >>> is the best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry James, > > >>> who was a > >>> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne. > > >>> My guess > >>> is > >>> The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, the > > >>> first few > >>> pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. > >>> > >>> I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. > >>> > >>> Ciao, > >>> > >>> Murat > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk > >>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Murat, > >>>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love > >>>> Wuthering > >>>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but > they > >>>> all love > >>>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of > the > >>>> greatest > >>>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format), Henry > > >>>> James, > >>>> Melville, Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking > stick > >>>> in my > >>>> mind > >>>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not liking > > >>>> it that's > >>>> a > >>>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be > harsher > >>>> than you > >>>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Murat wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Geraldine, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the > English > >>>> language? > >>>> > >>>> Ciao, > >>>> > >>>> Murat > >>>> > >>>> ================================== > >>>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > >>>> guidelines > >>>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ================================== > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >>> > >>> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:01:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo E-Newsletter 09.01.08-09.07.08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 LITERARY BUFFALO 09.01.08-09.07.08 BABEL 2008-2009 SUBSCRIPTIONS ARE SOLD OUT=21 If you would like to be put on a waiting list for tickets, please send an e= mail with your name and daytime telephone number to info=40justbuffalo.org. ___________________________________________________________________________ EVENTS THIS WEEK 09.03.08 Just Buffalo/Center for Inquiry Literary Cafe John Marvin and Alexis Malechor Plus 8 Open Spots for Readers Wednesday, September 3, 7:30 p.m. Center for Inquiry, 1310 Sweet Home Road, Amherst ___________________________________________________________________________ JUST BUFFALO MEMBERS WRITER CRITIQUE GROUP BEGINS THIS WEDNESDAY The Just Buffalo Critique Group will have its first meeting Wednesday, Sept= ember 3 at 6:30 pm=CB=87at the Market Arcade on Main or Washington Street (= depending on which door you use)=CB=87in downtown Buffalo. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:49:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Quartermain Subject: Re: Rave review of THE REALITY STREET BOOK OF SONNETS In-Reply-To: <003901c90af6$e56b8030$8706edc1@user4a6p3c2av0> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Well, Geraldine (and hello, yes indeed) Yes, Goode's view is, um, rather limited, and the book is not at all London-centric if that means that's where the writers come from -- of = the 84 or so sonneteers, almost half are from outside the UK (some of them English/British born, yes, like yorkshire's Steve McCaffery), from Australia, Canada, Eire, New Zealand, USAmerica, and it strikes me that between them they offer a really energetic variety of work, from the = more or less conventional (i.e. fourteen lines) to the entirely visual. I posted = / re-posted Goode's blog-spasm because it might tell people here, more vigorously that I can, first that this book actuially exists and second = that it really is worth a close look. If people on this list can't afford it, they can ask their town library to get it, it's a lot cheaper than most quality paperbacks that size. It's Goode's enthusiasm (however limited its Lodnon-ish view might be) = that I wanted to share -- I'm enthusiastic about it too. I probably should've written my own review instead (but where, can you tell me, can one make = time nowadays?) My own great pleasure in the book comes in part from the = amazing amount of news it carries -- but then I'm stuck on the left and wet = coast of a large subcontinent, in a somewhat provinical town which relies mostly = on imports for its reading/writing news. Mebbe it's different where Chris = Goode comes from, of course, but you're right, his rave is surprisingly = selective perhaps blind to imports. I do think the Reality Street Book of Sonnets should get wide = circulation; it might open a lot of eyes (it opened mine, and I've been reading = cxurerent writing for four or five decades), and I'd expect it to change some = people's practice -- what somebody on this list, talking of was it Hawthorne? Melville? called his writer's DNA. Peter =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Peter Quartermain 846 Keefer Street Vancouver BC Canada V6A 1Y7 604 255 8274 (voice and fax) quarterm@interchange.ubc.ca =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Geraldine Monk Sent: 30 August 2008 04:19 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Rave review of THE REALITY STREET BOOK OF SONNETS Hello Peter, It may be a rave review but it's so London-centric it gives a totally=20 distorted picture of what the book is about and I think Chris = inadvertently=20 makes it sound rather parochial. It's not all London poets emanating = from=20 Writers Forum workshops (excellent poets though they are) but a = selection of British, American, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand poets. He = doesn't=20 even mention the maestro Ted Berrigan nor other prominent Americans like = Lyn Hejinian, Kathleen Fraser, Anselm Hollo, Juliana Spahr and more. An = odd=20 rave review which doesn't really take the book on outside Chris's own = circle of associates which I find a tad misleading. But that's the swing and=20 roundabouts of blogs for you! Geraldine =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:03:37 -0700 Reply-To: atieger@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: aaron tieger Subject: new books from fewer & further press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On behalf of Jess Mynes: Hello everyone, =A0 Fewer & Further Press is pleased to announce the publication of Shannon Tha= rp's Determined by Aperture and Brenda Iijima's Rabbit Lesson. Both are pri= nted in an edition of 200 copies, 40 of which are special editions.=20 =A0 Copies can be purchased for $7, postpaid.=A0 Please visit the Fewer & Furth= er Press website (http://fewfur.blogspot.com) for excerpts and cover images= .=A0 Payments can be made through the site with Paypal.=20 =A0 Special editions are hand-sewn and signed by the author, for $9. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:22:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i knew i had done something wrong by joining the union. rule n.1/ never tru= st a poet. & remember, if the poet is a Scientologist, RUN. =0A=A0=0A=A0 do= cumentation of all prescribed medications.=0A=0A=0Anext to the word=0A=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Offender=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 on the dotted black line=0A= =A0=0Anone-the-less, i couldn't agree more with Chirot:=0A=A0=0A"Really, no= book has an end, and when one is afraid of=A0 book one is so=0Atotally in = love with and never wants it to end, slowing down and down and=0Adown to pu= t off as long as possible or maybe just not ever reach the end, so=0Aone ca= n start over again and not know ever really what the "ending is."=0A=A0=0AT= he recently late Larry Brown has some books that fall into this catagory. I= met the guy once. His unpublished novel is about a bear tearing flesh to s= hreds and includes lots of raunchy sex. He claims it was truely aweful. The= n he got some pieces in a biker mag. Then his break/through. Poems i like a= s much but in shorter doses cuz one needs youthful nerves to handle all the= m words. & there's all that sub/text going on. Poetry is best when i'm in g= ood mental health, and that, i'm afraid, comes and goes. =0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Origin= al Message ----=0AFrom: David Chirot =0ATo: POETICS= @LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Monday, September 1, 2008 7:41:31 PM=0ASubjec= t: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world=0A=0AOf course, it is = a poet who is saying poems may be read endlessly and novels=0Anot!!=0A=0AWh= en you join the Poet's Union, there's a clause in there you have to sign=0A= in blood that says, no matter what, you will never let any other form of=0A= writing be more favorably compared to poetry in one's presence or by=0Aones= elf, on the pain of immediate and ever lasting punishment under the=0Alaws= =A0 & Codes of Poetic Justice--=0A=0AActually all my life I have had a smal= l handful of books fiction poetry non=0Afiction that i pretty much read con= tinuously--here and there one or two will=0Adrop out and be replaced with n= ew favorites--but i never get tired of=0Athem--reading in fragments or chun= ks and interweaving them so that lines of=0Apoems are found among descritpi= ons of forged battle plans in an imaginary=0Awriters story in a short story= and a novel may be found to contain an=0AAnarkeyology of crumbling non fic= tion silting in with that frayed lines of=0Apoems forming into a mimicking = camouflaged appearing "terrain,." Always have=0Aa couple of these talismani= c tomes on my persons for those sudden=0Aemergencies when one is swept up a= nd finds oneself i the elsewheres of=0Ahospitals police precincts wrong bus= stop in the middle of nowhere,=0Aabandoned houses in the middle of nights = suddenly alive with ghosts or quite=0Asimply at any given moment of the day= when taken by surprise on is found=0Awandering again through those familia= r words which seems to heave of a=0Asudden detoured into territory so stran= ge that it is impossible to believe=0Ayet there before one's very eyes that= yes, on page 23, in the bottom right=0Apart of the lat paragraph--is a pas= sage that suddenly swings open and=0Areveals an entirely new world inside, = like that wall in which there is a=0Adoor out of nowhere in the H. G. Wells= story through which the passerby=0Adiscovers one can travel as through a p= ortal among universes. Truly one=0Anever remotely tires of these books and = none of them have any ending at al=0Aeven though occasionally one decides t= o play at being a rational and orderly=0Aprocessional person and does in de= ed "read straight through from beginning=0Ato end,"--and each word is not t= he same as previously and its familiarity ,=0Athe intimacy one has it with = , is, like intimacy, the creation of a mystery=0Aanew with in every instant= of its intimicy with the intimacies of it=0Amysteries-intertwining-=0AI so= metimes wonder if I am simply stuck like a raft in a whirlpool in a=0Ariver= but no--since these tomes texts fragments volcanic actions and=0Aexplosion= s, are al continuously disintegrating and reforming, re arranging,=0Afindin= g new meanings among the disordered alleys of their carelessly strewn=0Aand= tossed about left over various participles and hanging clauses and lines= =0Athat frankly made no sense--suddenly al of it gathering in a rush and on= e=0Afinds oneself at the naissance of a cosmos completely unsuspected and w= hich=0Ais heaving and breathing with the convulsions of birth--=0Athose Jim= Thompson Murat i have read both of them abt twenty times and never=0Atired= of them--truly the books poems and images sounds characters beings=0Ahisto= ries become so much part of one they are always cropping up as one is=0Akne= eling working in the dirt--parting some grass and smashed stones-there it= =0Ais! a line of a poem hobnobbing with a bunch of characters on the lam fr= om a=0Aa brilliant Sciascia book, warily playing cards with a bunch of cutt= hroats=0Afrom Rimbaud's illuminations and in the background is the west Tex= as sky of=0Athe opening of The killer Inside Me--=0A=0Anow a character who = moved into my works hangs out with these lot--bloody=0Adiscussions of the v= iolence of words when used to conceal among their moral=0Asuasions the true= thick and heavy blood of the slaughterhouse that runs=0Aunder one's feet= =0Aor like when the man in the cell next to me was killed and he blood ran = in=0Athe little gutter for piss--=0Aand blood flows in books not only words= and death stalks in the pages as=0Athey shudder in a breeze--and a wild se= t of heathen gods is roasting=0Asomething just over the hill as one realise= s that the marginalia in a text=0Ahave cannibalized the original--=0A=0Aand= time to find another yet another copy! of the same volume--=0Abecause no m= atter how muh one reads it, the miracle is one never memorizes=0Ait, and ea= ch time it really is a different series of words than the last=0A=0Apeople = go through life living with certain people in their lives long long=0Atimes= -=0Aand so it is with the great modern inventions of paperback pocket books= that=0Afold and fall apart and are held together out of sheer willpower an= d who=0Acares if the pages begin to make new arrangements al their own with= here and=0Athere a few slipping away like thieves in the night while other= s come in,=0Ahidden and darkly plotting among the over heaped baskets of ap= ples or piles=0Aof hot bricks, the heavy loads of aniomals furs--=0A=0A=0AB= ecause does the ending matter, Ivonne feels the ending will be the ending= =0Aof this intensity of intimacy of beings--then of course not-!=0A=0Aone m= ight even just jerk out the last set of pages and stuff them in the=0Aback = of a police's man motorcycle car while he is writing a ticket for blind=0Ad= eaf and dumb jay walker--=0A=0Aanother good thing abt always having these c= ompanion with one is that one=0Ahas always paper with which to write!=0Aand= companions with whom to carry o conversations aloud or silently-=0Aand wha= t better honor than to write one's bizarre effusions among those=0Awords on= e both knows and does not, the uncanny in full regalia before one=0Acontinu= ally--=0A=0Awhen i was on hose arrest ion Poland for two weeks at one point= i had two=0Abooks actually with me in english to read--=0Anotmysual ones w= hich were stored in sweden-but byby a fluke ulysses by james=0Ajoyce and sp= oils of poynton by Henry James and Rimbaud quarter or so of book=0Athat had= fallen apart and ditto with a Raymond chandler flapping one=0Awinged---as = the back cover had long ago flown south on its own--=0A=0Ayet with those fo= ur directions as it were--the cosmos opens--=0Aand one can read for sure Ul= ysses many times over in succession and it is=0Anever the same=0A=0Aa good = and esp great writer are never the same--and maybe it it is the=0Areader pl= ays a part also of course-=0Abut then there are so many books which if one = essayed this--one wd feel as=0Athough in manacles long before the arrest!!= =0Aor before the accident would feel a massive concussion=0Aor simply as th= ough--=0Aendlessness is not a happy endlessness=0Abut being doomed to an et= rnerity of dullness, unimaginative and pompous and=0Anarrow minded didactic= "sophistory "aka soporifics--a new form of cocktail=0Aphilosophy, which Ii= ke the Dial for N. Hawthorne, sends one immediately in=0Ato the lands of Mo= rpheus=0A=0Aremember jean Genet had very little to work with in his prison = cells!!=0A=0Ait does not take al that many words with which one works conti= nuously to=0Areform them over and over again like those pieces of bread roi= led about in=0Athe hands to soften and make them sticky in order to keep at= tached to the=0Ametal flesh of a locker door--those flesh drenched black an= d white grainy=0Afotos of criminals that excite the writer--=0A=0Athe sexua= lity a writer/reader shares in the intimacy of being confined with=0Athe te= xts and those texts that he is beginning to breed with this=0Acompanion--= =0A=0Awhy prisons have been veritable Schools of Writing with man quite=0Ad= istinguished members attending off and on--and producing works far finer=0A= than many of those fossilized forms that are carefully drawn to plan when= =0Ataught in the writing factories-=0A=0Awhy not?=0Agive Adolf Wolfi some p= encils and watch him rip!!=0AMr Milton Mr Cervantes mr Villon Chester Himes= the fellow who wrote--Caryl=0AChessman-one better not get started Borstal = Boy and Malcolm X--twenty=0Amillion more=0Ayou se--Gregory Corso--people to= ttering abt in the Yard with book--=0Awearing it out and never getting to h= e end--=0A=0Ato be confined with a few books is to discover there is no end= to them, if=0Athey are good ones-=0A=0Aand maybe if they aren't quite good= enough, after awhile, as one figures=0Ait-- not really good enough,, why--= then--to set to work to set that score=0Aright!!=0A=0Aand=A0 suddenly reali= ze one is starting to find ways al one's own for making=0Aup these forms an= d stories and to heck with being confined in some one=0Aelse's rule books--= =0A=0Aand Villon le Bon Dieu le sait-=0A=0Areading over and over for years = on end the same few books in continual=0Aoscillation -and so in what may at= first appear a a confinement, a gerbil=0Arunning on the wheel to nowhere--= =0Ato find ever more possibilities and ideas imaginations structures forms= =0Aemerge--endlessly--=0A=0Aa negentropy of--emergence-=0A=0Aand so leave m= roubaud and others to the entropy of the satisfaction of=0Adetermining tha= t novels end here, and poems, of course, being those forms of=0Awritings ma= de by beings like unto oneself who like oneself have signed the=0Aoath of l= oyalty to the secret of never endings--=0Aproduce programmaticly an endless= ness=0A=0Anow--just because something is without end, does this mean that i= t is--may=0Aone indeed guarantee this--if it is without end, is it then abl= e to avoid=0Athat yawning chasm--to be without loss of interest or energy o= r repeating=0Aitself?--=0A=0Aah indeed the dangers of the steady state univ= erse of the never ending=0Aendlessness!!=0A=0Ayes--one goes forward in endl= essness and finds--???=0Awell --=0Afinds that novels at least have an end--= =0A=0Awell the other one, locked away in the confines somewhere--=0Afinds a= n inexhaustible flow of possibilities--=0Aand thinks that sometimes, it is = a good thing for a novel to have an end,=0Aand maybe not so good for a poem= not to have one!!=0A=0Ayes, al things need to be seen from many angles of = the dangle do they=0Anot--whistling gaily, --he addresses the fly with its = thousand prismed eye-=0Aand goes back to writing with the thinnest bit of b= lack shoe polish on the=0Aend of p]in inside the lines of one of his three = endlessly read books--=0A=0Aand singing, having combined shoe polish and th= us walking=A0 inbetwen the=0Alines as he is writing--=0Ayes--singing--=0A"I= Walk the Line"--=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Murat N= emet-Nejat wrote:=0A=0A> Barry,=0A>=0A> No I don't mean = it in a negative way. I like reading it a lot, but I do=0A> feel=0A> the cr= itical praise of it is a bit top heavy.=0A>=0A> Maybe, you are right. That = is why I am hesistant to re-read novel which=0A> have=0A> meant a lot to me= . On the other hand, Melville, Proust , Tolstoy, Kleist,=0A> to=0A> me, Haw= thorne can be read in short pieces, as fragment. That way they are=0A> more= like poems.=0A>=0A> Ciao,=0A>=0A> Murat=0A>=0A>=0A> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at= 1:35 PM, Barry Schwabsky <=0A> b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com=0A> > wrote:=0A= >=0A> > In his remarkable book Poetry, etcetera: Cleaning House, Jacques Ro= ubaud=0A> > defines a poem as something that has no end and that you can on= ly re-read=0A> > whereas a novel is something that ends and in principle is= not to be=0A> re-read=0A> > because the ending completes it. "In this sens= e The Murder of Roger=0A> Ackroyd=0A> > is the novel par excellence. It's t= he novel you can't read twice."=0A> > Murat, you speak of Austen being chic= k-lit as if that were a negative?=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ----- Original Me= ssage ----=0A> > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat =0A> > To: POET= ICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > Sent: Monday, 1 September, 2008 2:14:26 AM= =0A> > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world=0A> >=0A>= > Geraldine,=0A> >=0A> > Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you= loved at one time?=0A> >=0A> > It was such a disappointment to go back to = Dostoevsky after twentyfive=0A> > years=0A> > when I first read it when I w= as eighteen.=0A> >=0A> > One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book= should be read only=0A> > once,=0A> > preferably before one has read any o= f its numerous imitators. Magical=0A> > Realism has become the favorite cli= che of non-western writers presenting=0A> > their world to the west.=0A> >= =0A> > Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my favor= ite=0A> > Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently precis= e prose.=0A> >=0A> > Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses.=0A> >= =0A> > I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 are as= good=0A> > as=0A> > I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely s= uperior to=0A> > Dostoevsky.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > On the other hand, there are= novelist who remain as problematic, as fresh=0A> > as=0A> > they were at f= irst reading. Melville remains first among them, along with=0A> > Proust. T= hey are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read Pierre=0A> > again!)= , but one can not help it.=0A> >=0A> > Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jan= e Austen not the quintessential chick=0A> > lit writer. Girl rejects boy. B= oy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, who is=0A> > handsome, rich (beyond imagina= tion) and moral. In Mainsfield Park (that's=0A> > her last novel, yes?) the= "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone who=0A> > socially=0A> > put her by = humiliating every one and gaining control. I know there is=0A> Jane=0A> > A= usten's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this style take=0A> = one=0A> > over the years?=0A> >=0A> > Ciao,=0A> >=0A> > Murat=0A> >=0A> > O= n Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk <=0A> monk@themonk.demon.co.= uk=0A> > >wrote:=0A> >=0A> > > Murat,=0A> > > I think you pinpoint the fact= that a novel's impact on the reader is=0A> > > strongly related to the rea= der's circumstance at the time, especially=0A> > age. I=0A> > > was in my t= hirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I had a=0A> lot=0A> > of= =0A> > > reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up.=A0 = I'm not=0A> > even=0A> > > sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights n= ow - but when I was a=0A> > > teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 mil= es away from where I was=0A> > born=0A> > > and brought up so I knew the la= ndscape and language ) it was magnetic.=0A> > >=0A> > > Jane Austen?=A0 Oh = I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her simply because=0A> > > she's a bit = on the cusp and not really what we think of as 19th Century=0A> > (not=0A> = > > that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think that's part of= =0A> > the=0A> > > fascination - the world in transition=A0 - she's very mo= dern and yet=0A> > curiously=0A> > > old fashioned).=A0 She's also very wic= ked!=A0 I nearly bust a gut reading=0A> > > Northanger Abbey.=A0 But she's = no Eliot that's for sure.=0A> > >=0A> > > Geraldine=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > >= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" <=0A> > muratnn@GMA= IL.COM>=0A> > > To: =0A> > > Sent: Sunday, Au= gust 31, 2008 7:35 PM=0A> > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not surv= ive the world=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=A0 Geraldine,=0A> > >>=0A> > = >> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge left a=0A= > a=0A> > >> very=0A> > >> strong impression on me when I first read it for= ty years ago in Turkey=0A> > (in=0A> > >> English). The Scarlet Letter also= which I read about the same time. It=0A> > >> blew=0A> > >> my mind.=0A> >= >>=0A> > >> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert= =0A> College,=0A> > >> the=0A> > >> American school In Istanbul. Robert Col= lege was built by missionaries=0A> > who=0A> > >> came from Massachusetts. = The poet, critic and publisher Ed Foster is=0A> > >> writing=0A> > >> a fas= cinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its surrounding=0A> > areas= =0A> > >> up=0A> > >> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries.=0A>= > >>=0A> > >> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating exp= erience=0A> for=0A> > >> me,=0A> > >> but that reading changed my DNA as a = writer. So nothing was wasted.=0A> > >>=0A> > >> I share your enthusiasm fo= r Middlemarch, which interestingly I also=0A> > >> thought=0A> > >> is the = best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry James, who=0A> was=0A> >= a=0A> > >> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne= . My=0A> > guess=0A> > >> is=0A> > >> The House of Seven Gables is his favo= rite Hawthorne novel, the first=0A> few=0A> > >> pages of which anticipate = I think James's later style.=0A> > >>=0A> > >> I am so happy Jane Austen is= not in your list.=0A> > >>=0A> > >> Ciao,=0A> > >>=0A> > >> Murat=0A> > >>= =0A> > >>=0A> > >>=0A> > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk= <=0A> > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk=0A> > >> >wrote:=0A> > >>=0A> > >>=A0 Mur= at,=0A> > >>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love Wu= thering=0A> > >>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - b= ut they all=0A> > love=0A> > >>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!)=A0 = George Eliot (one of the=0A> > greatest=0A> > >>> prose stylists within the= conventional narrative format), Henry=0A> James,=0A> > >>> Melville, Edith= Wharton.=A0 The two I mentioned as not liking stick in=0A> my=0A> > >>> mi= nd=0A> > >>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not likin= g it=0A> > that's=0A> > >>> a=0A> > >>> lot of time spent not liking someth= ing so you tend to be harsher than=0A> > you=0A> > >>> would if you spent 5= minutes on a poem you don't like.=0A> > >>>=0A> > >>>=0A> > >>> Murat wrot= e:=0A> > >>>=0A> > >>> Geraldine,=0A> > >>>=0A> > >>>=0A> > >>> Do you like= any 19th century novel, at least written in the English=0A> > >>> language= ?=0A> > >>>=0A> > >>> Ciao,=0A> > >>>=0A> > >>> Murat=0A> > >>>=0A> > >>> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does = not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub= info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:56:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sue Walker Subject: Re: Visual Poetry (Vispo) Assistance In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good morning. I am very interested in using visual poetry in my =20 undergrad and grad poetry classes at the University of South =20 Alabama. I would love to see your syllabi. Last year, in =20 collaboration with the art department, we put on a most successful =20 show in which the art students illustrated poems written by my =20 students. 250 people attended -- but this is "old hat," and I'm =20 looking for new ways of incorporation. I am also interested in sound -- so thanks for your help with vispo. Sue Walker Professor of English and Creative Writing University of South Alabama Mobile, Al On Aug 31, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Mairead Byrne wrote: > Dear Al(l), > I designed a Visual Poetry course which I have taught in 3 =20 > iterations at Rhode Island School of Design, the second time in =20 > collaboration with Graphic Design professor, Jan Baker. This =20 > course is the first in a set of 3 courses in Concrete Poetry. The =20 > second is Sound Poetry, which I will be teaching for the first time =20= > this fall. When that is up & running, I hope to turn to Digital/=20 > Kinetic, the third course in the sequence, which will probably be =20 > called something completely different by then as technology =20 > changes, maybe Molten Poetry! The three courses aren't discrete. =20 > As I approach sound, I understand more how visual it is. Someone, =20 > maybe Michael Basinski, said that sound poetry always has strong =20 > visual announcement too. Each course includes the others too. I =20 > am happy to share my most recent Visual Poetry syllabus, & also =20 > Sound Poetry when it's done. > Mairead > > > Mair=E9ad Byrne > Associate Professor of English > Rhode Island School of Design > 2 College Street > Providence, RI 02903 > >>>> "Jorgensen, Alexander" 08/29/08 11:15 =20 >>>> PM >>> > I am currently collecting information on visual poetry. I would be =20 > very interested in links, names, articles, academic programs, =20 > repositories, and titles. Please either send back channel or share =20 > resources with the list. Your time and own expertise will be =20 > sincerely appreciated. > > Notice: September's second issue of Black Robert Journal will an =20 > important section on visual poetry. > > http://www.black-robert-journal.com > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 > welcome.html > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/=20 > welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:04:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: NOON 6 In-Reply-To: <323250.71165.qm@web65103.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable yep, tho in dif voices & moods. On 9/2/08 2:14 AM, "Barry Schwabsky" wrote: > Even more than in the previous issues that I have seen, Noon 6 succeeds i= n > exemplifying--and I don't know how other contributors feel about this, bu= t I > am very pleased with it--the Borgesian idea that all literature can be re= ad as > by a single author, that "in this correlation, the identity or plurality = of > men" (or of women) "doesn't matter." >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ruth Lepson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 12:19:33 AM > Subject: Re: NOON 6 >=20 > my pleasure, philip, fine book. >=20 >=20 > On 9/1/08 9:17 AM, "Philip Rowland" wrote: >=20 >> Thanks, Ruth, for commenting. Good to hear you read it right through, >> as it's designed to be read that way, as a sequence of poems. There's >> just the one ed., by the way, and the contributor you mention is >> Messenger (another, of course, Schwabsky). >>=20 >> Best, >> Philip Rowland >>=20 >> On Aug 31, 2008, at 4:20 AM, Ruth Lepson wrote: >>=20 >>> Thanks to the eds of Noon=E2=80=B9just got my copy & yes how poetry is >>> presented >>> makes a big difference=E2=80=B9I stopped what I was doing to read the whole >>> thing. >>> (=C2=B3I can=C2=B9t believe I read the whole thing!=C2=B2) It is short, true. >>>=20 >>> Fine poems by list members, for ex Barry Schawbsky, Ravi Shankar, >>> Halvard >>> Johnson, Philip Messinger. >>>=20 >>> Ruth Lepson >>>=20 >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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From: Sheila Murphy Subject: Blue Lion Books Announces: Francis Raven Publication Comments: To: Imitation poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blue Lion Books (http://bluelionbooks.info/) is pleased to announce=0Athe t= wo volume publication Francis Raven's haifun, Haifuns (1 =96 4) &=0A5-Haifu= n: Of Being Divisible, a nonce form of incredible efficacy.=0AHaifun are ch= aracterized by having the same number of words in each=0Aline as lines in e= ach stanza as stanzas on each page. They are thus=0Asquares. So, a 2-haifun= has 2 words per line, 2 lines per stanza, 2=0Astanzas per page, and 40 pag= es in the section (the haifun number=0Asquared times 10).=0A=0AFor purchase= at:=0Ahttp://stores.lulu.com/bluelionbooks=0A(scroll down)=0A=0A"In Haifun= s (1-4) Francis Raven creates a new poetic form. A "haifun=0Ahas the same n= umber of words in each line as lines in each stanza as=0Astanzas on a page.= " The overall structure is a kind of fractal that=0Aallows Raven to explore= the soul of numbers. His "one" haifuns, for=0Ainstance, which are isolated= words, ring with loneliness without=0Adescending into pathos. The "Two" ha= ifuns set paired stanzas in=0Aconversation or at odds. The total effect is = symphonic, as if one by=0Aone or in groups, different instruments joined in= making this music=0Athat carries the reader along in suspense."=0A = =97Rae Armantrout=0A=0A"Of Being Divisible crystallizes the ubiquitous = glut of contemporary=0Aexperience into a pentagrammic design. Raven has cre= ated 250 poems of=0A5 stanzas each with 5 lines each formed of 5 words. The= disparate=0Aseeming parts find their way into a system of toccatas in lang= uage,=0Afunctioning deftly and resonating with a beguiling depth. Like=0Afi= vefold prisms, these works can be perceived as both interior and=0Aexterior= , enhancing the reader's ability to perceive an elevated level=0Aof ambigui= ty."=0A =97Sheila E. Murphy=0A=0A"Francis Raven has found a new = form for a new generation that attends=0Ato the inventive while satisfying = the reader with tangibility. His=0AHaifun are more than simple fun, they ar= e a wonderful method to=0Adevelop and anchor the one-word poem and beyond. = Haifun is an=0Aexcellent method to experiment with forms and ideas that are= open to=0AEnglish while retaining the poem within the poetry. Raven is at = home=0Ain this form and his lines match the grandeur of this project. This = is=0Aa fine book!"=0A =97Geoffrey Gatza=0A=0AFrancis Raven is a = graduate student in philosophy at Temple=0AUniversity. His books include S= hifting the Question More Complicated=0A(Otoliths, 2007), Taste: Gastronomi= c Poems (Blazevox 2005) and the=0Anovel, Inverted Curvatures (Spuyten Duyvi= l, 2005). Poems of his have=0Abeen published in Mudlark, Conundrum, Chain,= Big Bridge, Bird Dog,=0ACaffeine Destiny, and Spindrift among others. His = critical work can be=0Afound in Jacket, Logos, Clamor, The Journal of Aesth= etics and Art=0ACriticism, The Electronic Book Review, The Emergency Almana= c, The=0AMorning News, The Brooklyn Rail, Media and Culture, In These Times= ,=0AThe Fulcrum Annual, Rain Taxi, and Flak.=0A=0Ablue lion books publishes= experimental poetry, visual poetry, and=0Afiction. we specialize in books = over 250 pages long, believing that an=0Aidea, if expressed, should be expr= essed in its fullest manner.=0Ahttp://bluelionbooks.info=0APurchase at: htt= p://stores.lulu.com/bluelionbooks =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:24:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Fluffy Singler Subject: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul Comments: To: PSi List , fluffysingler@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From the front row here in the Twin Cities . . . http://www.startribune.com/politics/27695244.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4 O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUs I live on Harriet Avenue in Minneapolis, where one of the Friday raids occurred. In fact, I was sitting at a coffee shop two blocks away last night when we saw a Sherriff's Paddy Wagon, a tv van and no fewer than 10 police cars around the neighborhood, six within a few minutes of the paddy wagon coming through and a bunch of others just "patrolling" the neighborhood. ********************** I live in a lefty neighborhood. We have a co-op and Arise, the anarchist bookstore. The City has used people's fear of crime to talk the neighborhood organizations into accepting city money for more police patrols this summer and they have been THICK here around my few blocks-bikes, squads, etc.-all the time. ********************** I have been telling everyone who can stand to listen to me about the fact that Minneapolis has been gradually becoming more and more of a police state over the past two years. Last summer, TWO police officers-local and sheriff-on every single corner downtown day and night, sometimes standing, on bikes or in squad cars parked on the sidewalks. I am not exaggerating. This summer, FOUR. Mostly they bust petty crimes rather than violent ones. And mostly in my neighborhood they harass anyone who looks "suspicious" which covers most people in my neighborhood. ********************** I went to court on Monday for a friend who got busted on some petty charges and the public defenders were complaining about their huge caseload and saying "well, it's the week before the convention." It's been my experience watching concerts festivals and other events here that not only will they be raiding political offices like this, but they will also definitely be sweeping the streets for the homeless and other people who might scare off the conventioneers, who are housed in both downtown Minneapolis and in St. Paul. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:01:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: Technicians of the Sacred reading: 40 years Comments: To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@buffalo.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the Bowery Poetry Club, Sunday, September 14, 4:00 to 6:00 p.m., I = will be hosting a celebration of the 40th anniversary of Technicians of = the Sacred, which brought a global range of oral & tribal poetry into = focus & launched ethnopoetics as a new approach to poetry & performance. = Joining me will be a group of active poets & performers including = Charles Bernstein, Bob Holman, Pierre Joris, Charlie Morrow, Nicole = Peyrafitte, Diane Rothenberg, Carolee Schneemann, & Cecilia Vicu=F1a. = (Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery, between Houston & Bleecker, in NYC.) Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." 1026 San Abella --Novalis Encinitas, CA 92024 (760) 436-9923 jrothenberg at cox.net http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ j.r. in spanish: http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/esp/ Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:08:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: Technicians of the Sacred reading: 40 years In-Reply-To: <00e601c90d4f$e517f5e0$6500a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Happy 40th!=20 Congrats and hurray! Hip Hip Hurray Hip Hip Hurray Hip Hip Hurray Rockets, Geoffrey :-) On 9/2/08 7:01 PM, "Jerome Rothenberg" wrote: > At the Bowery Poetry Club, Sunday, September 14, 4:00 to 6:00 p.m., I wil= l be > hosting a celebration of the 40th anniversary of Technicians of the Sacre= d, > which brought a global range of oral & tribal poetry into focus & launche= d > ethnopoetics as a new approach to poetry & performance. Joining me will = be a > group of active poets & performers including Charles Bernstein, Bob Holma= n, > Pierre Joris, Charlie Morrow, Nicole Peyrafitte, Diane Rothenberg, Carole= e > Schneemann, & Cecilia Vicu=F1a. (Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery, between > Houston & Bleecker, in NYC.) >=20 >=20 > Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." > 1026 San Abella --Novalis > Encinitas, CA 92024 > (760) 436-9923 > jrothenberg at cox.net > http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ > new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ > j.r. in spanish: http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/esp/ > Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:39:15 -0700 Reply-To: mkasimor@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Kasimor Subject: Re: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul In-Reply-To: <85571EA6AD2C4D0DADE958361A7055F5@fluffysinglePC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was marching yesterday in St. Paul. I could not believe the number of pol= ice--15-20 darth vader looking characters at each side of the intersections= --and at numerous intersections, plus police on bikes and wearing shorts. I= can't help but believe that many of the arrests were unnecessary--Amy Good= man, among many others, I am sure. Despite the heat, I am so glad that I wa= s there--solidarity among us; that was great. Perhaps we were too peaceful-= -the 10,000 or so of us, and we should have raised more hell. =A0 Mary Kasimor --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Fluffy Singler wrote: From: Fluffy Singler Subject: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:24 PM From the front row here in the Twin Cities . . .=20 =20 =20 http://www.startribune.com/politics/27695244.html?elr=3DKArksLckD8EQDUoaEyq= yP4 O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUs =20 I live on Harriet Avenue in Minneapolis, where one of the Friday raids occurred. In fact, I was sitting at a coffee shop two blocks away last night when we saw a Sherriff's Paddy Wagon, a tv van and no fewer than 10 police cars around the neighborhood, six within a few minutes of the paddy wagon coming through and a bunch of others just "patrolling" the neighborhood. =20 ********************** =20 I live in a lefty neighborhood. We have a co-op and Arise, the anarchist bookstore. The City has used people's fear of crime to talk the neighborhood organizations into accepting city money for more police patrol= s this summer and they have been THICK here around my few blocks-bikes, squads, etc.-all the time. =20 =20 ********************** =20 I have been telling everyone who can stand to listen to me about the fact that Minneapolis has been gradually becoming more and more of a police stat= e over the past two years. Last summer, TWO police officers-local and sheriff-on every single corner downtown day and night, sometimes standing, on bikes or in squad cars parked on the sidewalks. I am not exaggerating. This summer, FOUR. Mostly they bust petty crimes rather than violent ones. And mostly in my neighborhood they harass anyone who looks "suspicious" which covers most people in my neighborhood. =20 ********************** =20 I went to court on Monday for a friend who got busted on some petty charges and the public defenders were complaining about their huge caseload and saying "well, it's the week before the convention." It's been my experience watching concerts festivals and other events here that not only will they b= e raiding political offices like this, but they will also definitely be sweeping the streets for the homeless and other people who might scare off the conventioneers, who are housed in both downtown Minneapolis and in St. Paul. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:58:04 +1200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wystan Curnow Subject: Re: Technicians of the Sacred reading: 40 years In-Reply-To: <00e601c90d4f$e517f5e0$6500a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 What a remarkable, wonderful occasion! I will be there in spirit. I'm imagining a global reading--this should be possible! Wystan -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Beh= alf Of Jerome Rothenberg Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2008 11:02 a.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Technicians of the Sacred reading: 40 years At the Bowery Poetry Club, Sunday, September 14, 4:00 to 6:00 p.m., I will = be hosting a celebration of the 40th anniversary of Technicians of the Sacr= ed, which brought a global range of oral & tribal poetry into focus & launc= hed ethnopoetics as a new approach to poetry & performance. Joining me wil= l be a group of active poets & performers including Charles Bernstein, Bob = Holman, Pierre Joris, Charlie Morrow, Nicole Peyrafitte, Diane Rothenberg, = Carolee Schneemann, & Cecilia Vicu=F1a. (Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery, b= etween Houston & Bleecker, in NYC.) Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." 1026 San Abella --Novalis Encinitas, CA 92024 (760) 436-9923 jrothenberg at cox.net http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ j.r. in spanish: http://wi= ngs.buffalo.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/esp/ Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:48:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Technicians of the Sacred reading: 40 years In-Reply-To: <00e601c90d4f$e517f5e0$6500a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wish I cd be there. Have a great time, all. Jerome Rothenberg wrote: > At the Bowery Poetry Club, Sunday, September 14, 4:00 to 6:00 p.m., I will be hosting a celebration of the 40th anniversary of Technicians of the Sacred, which brought a global range of oral & tribal poetry into focus & launched ethnopoetics as a new approach to poetry & performance. Joining me will be a group of active poets & performers including Charles Bernstein, Bob Holman, Pierre Joris, Charlie Morrow, Nicole Peyrafitte, Diane Rothenberg, Carolee Schneemann, & Cecilia Vicuña. (Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery, between Houston & Bleecker, in NYC.) > > > Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." > 1026 San Abella --Novalis > Encinitas, CA 92024 > (760) 436-9923 > jrothenberg at cox.net > http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ > new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ > j.r. in spanish: http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/esp/ > Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:07:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Matt Henriksen Subject: Frank Stanford Literay Festival Seeks Sponsors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Stanford Fans & Small Press Publishers, While we have been able to organize & promote three days of events in Fayetteville, Arkansas celebrating Frank Stanford's work with minimal costs, we'd like to honor a few central figures in Stanford's creative career by supporting their travel to participate in the festival. Sponsors will be acknowledge in promotional materials and in a commemorative, hand-sewn program designed by Cannibal Books. Sponsors will also receive a broadside of a poem from Stanford's final book, You, designed and printed collaboratively between Lost Roads Publishers, Cannibal Books and Effing Press. We will also verbally recognize sponsors at all events, which include a Small Press Reading, several Stanford readings, two panels, a screening or Irving Broughton's legendary Stanford biopic It Wasn't a Dream It Was a Flood, and a marathon reading of Stanford's epic poem The Battlefield Where the Moon Says I Love You. Donations are tax deductible and payable to Lost Roads. For more information, query Matthew Henriksen at frankstanfordfest@gmail.com. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:42:37 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Small Press Traffic's 2008 Calendar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Small Press Traffic invites you to join us for our spectacular Fall 2008 Line-up. We'll see you Fridays! ****************************************************************** SMALL PRESS TRAFFIC'S FALL 2008 CALENDAR ****************************************************************** Friday, September 12, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. GEYSER! a new play by KEVIN KILLIAN & WAYNE SMITH Please make reservations or plan to arrive early; these plays sell out year after year! All seats $10 as a benefit for Small Press Traffic. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:19:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: Christine Wertheim exhibit opening September 7 at Right Window Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that name was stolen from warhol On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:38:50 -0700 Dodie Bellamy writes: > The Plastic Exploding Inevitable > an installation by Christine Wertheim > > Right Window at ATA > 992 Valencia at 21st Street, San Francisco > > Opening: September 7, 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. > At 6:00 Christine Wertheim will talk and answer questions about the > project > > Installation continues through October 3 > > Coral reefs the world over are dying faster than rain forests. In > homage to these vanishing wonders, Margaret and Christine Wertheim > of > the Institute For Figuring instigated a project to crochet a woolen > > reef, an effort that now engages women around the globe. This > collective testimony also celebrates the strange hyperbolic geometry > > of the oceanic realm. As it has grown the reef has spawned, dividing > > and growing into multiple sub-reefs, each with its own unique > ecology > of corals, anemones, kelps and other sea life. > > In September Right Window will be showing the Plastic Exploding > Inevitable (PEI), a spawn of the Toxic Reef, aka Bikini Atoll, made > > from plastic bags and other refused and recycled materials. The > most > psychedelic of the Institute for Figuring reefs, the Plastic > Exploding Inevitable features irradiant pink "sand," miniature white > > plastic spires, a grove of wine-glass trees, and a gorgeous reef > panorama painted on a take-out box by Alicia Escott. In the decades > > since Warhol created his Exploding Plastic Inevitable, the > multimedia > component of the Silver Factory, the words he strung together have > taken on a more sinister edge, and Wertheim's installation helps us > > parse this new reality. In the North Pacific, for example, there is > > a gyre of floating plastic debris roughly the size of Texas. > > Contributors to the Plastic Exploding Inevitable include: > Kathleen Greco, Sarah Simons, Evelyn Hardin, Alicia Escott, Margaret > > Wertheim and Christine Wertheim. > > The Right Window at ATA is curated by Dodie Bellamy for the month of > > September, 2008. > > When she is not crocheting reef items, Christine has a full-time job > > in the Department of Critical Studies at the California Institute of > > the Arts, where she teaches experimental writing and feminism. She > is > also an experimental poet and writer whose work deals with the > intersection of language and logic. Christine's first book of > poetry, > +'Ime-S-pace, was published in 2007 by Les Figues Press, LA. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:40:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my name appears in a francine prose early novel well my last name at least not because of potry but because tho we have no relationship she wrote a book about russian folk and remembered my last name from our school days so sometimes the character's name has no connection to the "real" person On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:03:04 -0700 Stephen Vincent writes: > A friend yesterday let me know that Armand Schwarner (sp?) - at least > his name - appears in Bolano's Savage Detectives. > This has some bearing on novelists reading poets, and vice versa. I > will now definitely read the Bolano. He's earned my respect - or > desire to read him - with the mere mention of Armand. > > A real provincial when it comes to reading most novels, partly > because I am a slow reader, and partly because I read them, when I > do, for the poetry,(Proust, James, Joyce, Faulkner, Woolf, Collette, > etc.) and, I suspect most novelists don't write for the poetry, nor > for that matter, read much poetry. And that's kind of irritating. > (The contradiction is that many of us will chew away on probably > terrible translations of French and German philosophers, and such > will throw our poetry into new directions). > > But any novelist who mentions Armand, he's OK by me! (I also hear > it's a wonderful book (novel).) > > Stephen V > > > David Chirot wrote: Of course, it is a poet > who is saying poems may be read endlessly and novels > not!! > > When you join the Poet's Union, there's a clause in there you have > to sign > in blood that says, no matter what, you will never let any other > form of > writing be more favorably compared to poetry in one's presence or by > oneself, on the pain of immediate and ever lasting punishment under > the > laws & Codes of Poetic Justice-- > > Actually all my life I have had a small handful of books fiction > poetry non > fiction that i pretty much read continuously--here and there one or > two will > drop out and be replaced with new favorites--but i never get tired > of > them--reading in fragments or chunks and interweaving them so that > lines of > poems are found among descritpions of forged battle plans in an > imaginary > writers story in a short story and a novel may be found to contain an > Anarkeyology of crumbling non fiction silting in with that frayed > lines of > poems forming into a mimicking camouflaged appearing "terrain,." > Always have > a couple of these talismanic tomes on my persons for those sudden > emergencies when one is swept up and finds oneself i the elsewheres > of > hospitals police precincts wrong bus stop in the middle of nowhere, > abandoned houses in the middle of nights suddenly alive with ghosts > or quite > simply at any given moment of the day when taken by surprise on is > found > wandering again through those familiar words which seems to heave of > a > sudden detoured into territory so strange that it is impossible to > believe > yet there before one's very eyes that yes, on page 23, in the bottom > right > part of the lat paragraph--is a passage that suddenly swings open > and > reveals an entirely new world inside, like that wall in which there > is a > door out of nowhere in the H. G. Wells story through which the > passerby > discovers one can travel as through a portal among universes. Truly > one > never remotely tires of these books and none of them have any ending > at al > even though occasionally one decides to play at being a rational and > orderly > processional person and does in deed "read straight through from > beginning > to end,"--and each word is not the same as previously and its > familiarity , > the intimacy one has it with , is, like intimacy, the creation of a > mystery > anew with in every instant of its intimicy with the intimacies of it > mysteries-intertwining- > I sometimes wonder if I am simply stuck like a raft in a whirlpool > in a > river but no--since these tomes texts fragments volcanic actions and > explosions, are al continuously disintegrating and reforming, re > arranging, > finding new meanings among the disordered alleys of their carelessly > strewn > and tossed about left over various participles and hanging clauses > and lines > that frankly made no sense--suddenly al of it gathering in a rush > and one > finds oneself at the naissance of a cosmos completely unsuspected > and which > is heaving and breathing with the convulsions of birth-- > those Jim Thompson Murat i have read both of them abt twenty times > and never > tired of them--truly the books poems and images sounds characters > beings > histories become so much part of one they are always cropping up as > one is > kneeling working in the dirt--parting some grass and smashed > stones-there it > is! a line of a poem hobnobbing with a bunch of characters on the > lam from a > a brilliant Sciascia book, warily playing cards with a bunch of > cutthroats > from Rimbaud's illuminations and in the background is the west Texas > sky of > the opening of The killer Inside Me-- > > now a character who moved into my works hangs out with these > lot--bloody > discussions of the violence of words when used to conceal among > their moral > suasions the true thick and heavy blood of the slaughterhouse that > runs > under one's feet > or like when the man in the cell next to me was killed and he blood > ran in > the little gutter for piss-- > and blood flows in books not only words and death stalks in the > pages as > they shudder in a breeze--and a wild set of heathen gods is roasting > something just over the hill as one realises that the marginalia in > a text > have cannibalized the original-- > > and time to find another yet another copy! of the same volume-- > because no matter how muh one reads it, the miracle is one never > memorizes > it, and each time it really is a different series of words than the > last > > people go through life living with certain people in their lives > long long > times- > and so it is with the great modern inventions of paperback pocket > books that > fold and fall apart and are held together out of sheer willpower and > who > cares if the pages begin to make new arrangements al their own with > here and > there a few slipping away like thieves in the night while others > come in, > hidden and darkly plotting among the over heaped baskets of apples > or piles > of hot bricks, the heavy loads of aniomals furs-- > > Really, no book has an end, and when one is afraid of book one is > so > totally in love with and never wants it to end, slowing down and > down and > down to put off as long as possible or maybe just not ever reach the > end, so > one can start over again and not know ever really what the "ending > is." > > Because does the ending matter, Ivonne feels the ending will be the > ending > of this intensity of intimacy of beings--then of course not-! > > one might even just jerk out the last set of pages and stuff them in > the > back of a police's man motorcycle car while he is writing a ticket > for blind > deaf and dumb jay walker-- > > another good thing abt always having these companion with one is > that one > has always paper with which to write! > and companions with whom to carry o conversations aloud or silently- > and what better honor than to write one's bizarre effusions among > those > words one both knows and does not, the uncanny in full regalia > before one > continually-- > > when i was on hose arrest ion Poland for two weeks at one point i > had two > books actually with me in english to read-- > notmysual ones which were stored in sweden-but byby a fluke ulysses > by james > joyce and spoils of poynton by Henry James and Rimbaud quarter or so > of book > that had fallen apart and ditto with a Raymond chandler flapping one > winged---as the back cover had long ago flown south on its own-- > > yet with those four directions as it were--the cosmos opens-- > and one can read for sure Ulysses many times over in succession and > it is > never the same > > a good and esp great writer are never the same--and maybe it it is > the > reader plays a part also of course- > but then there are so many books which if one essayed this--one wd > feel as > though in manacles long before the arrest!! > or before the accident would feel a massive concussion > or simply as though-- > endlessness is not a happy endlessness > but being doomed to an etrnerity of dullness, unimaginative and > pompous and > narrow minded didactic "sophistory "aka soporifics--a new form of > cocktail > philosophy, which Iike the Dial for N. Hawthorne, sends one > immediately in > to the lands of Morpheus > > remember jean Genet had very little to work with in his prison > cells!! > > it does not take al that many words with which one works > continuously to > reform them over and over again like those pieces of bread roiled > about in > the hands to soften and make them sticky in order to keep attached > to the > metal flesh of a locker door--those flesh drenched black and white > grainy > fotos of criminals that excite the writer-- > > the sexuality a writer/reader shares in the intimacy of being > confined with > the texts and those texts that he is beginning to breed with this > companion-- > > why prisons have been veritable Schools of Writing with man quite > distinguished members attending off and on--and producing works far > finer > than many of those fossilized forms that are carefully drawn to plan > when > taught in the writing factories- > > why not? > give Adolf Wolfi some pencils and watch him rip!! > Mr Milton Mr Cervantes mr Villon Chester Himes the fellow who > wrote--Caryl > Chessman-one better not get started Borstal Boy and Malcolm > X--twenty > million more > you se--Gregory Corso--people tottering abt in the Yard with book-- > wearing it out and never getting to he end-- > > to be confined with a few books is to discover there is no end to > them, if > they are good ones- > > and maybe if they aren't quite good enough, after awhile, as one > figures > it-- not really good enough,, why--then--to set to work to set that > score > right!! > > and suddenly realize one is starting to find ways al one's own for > making > up these forms and stories and to heck with being confined in some > one > else's rule books-- > > and Villon le Bon Dieu le sait- > > reading over and over for years on end the same few books in > continual > oscillation -and so in what may at first appear a a confinement, a > gerbil > running on the wheel to nowhere-- > to find ever more possibilities and ideas imaginations structures > forms > emerge--endlessly-- > > a negentropy of--emergence- > > and so leave m roubaud and others to the entropy of the satisfaction > of > determining that novels end here, and poems, of course, being those > forms of > writings made by beings like unto oneself who like oneself have > signed the > oath of loyalty to the secret of never endings-- > produce programmaticly an endlessness > > now--just because something is without end, does this mean that it > is--may > one indeed guarantee this--if it is without end, is it then able to > avoid > that yawning chasm--to be without loss of interest or energy or > repeating > itself?-- > > ah indeed the dangers of the steady state universe of the never > ending > endlessness!! > > yes--one goes forward in endlessness and finds--??? > well -- > finds that novels at least have an end-- > > well the other one, locked away in the confines somewhere-- > finds an inexhaustible flow of possibilities-- > and thinks that sometimes, it is a good thing for a novel to have an > end, > and maybe not so good for a poem not to have one!! > > yes, al things need to be seen from many angles of the dangle do > they > not--whistling gaily, --he addresses the fly with its thousand > prismed eye- > and goes back to writing with the thinnest bit of black shoe polish > on the > end of p]in inside the lines of one of his three endlessly read > books-- > > and singing, having combined shoe polish and thus walking inbetwen > the > lines as he is writing-- > yes--singing-- > "I Walk the Line"-- > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > > > Barry, > > > > No I don't mean it in a negative way. I like reading it a lot, but > I do > > feel > > the critical praise of it is a bit top heavy. > > > > Maybe, you are right. That is why I am hesistant to re-read novel > which > > have > > meant a lot to me. On the other hand, Melville, Proust , Tolstoy, > Kleist, > > to > > me, Hawthorne can be read in short pieces, as fragment. That way > they are > > more like poems. > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Barry Schwabsky < > > b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com > > > wrote: > > > > > In his remarkable book Poetry, etcetera: Cleaning House, Jacques > Roubaud > > > defines a poem as something that has no end and that you can > only re-read > > > whereas a novel is something that ends and in principle is not > to be > > re-read > > > because the ending completes it. "In this sense The Murder of > Roger > > Ackroyd > > > is the novel par excellence. It's the novel you can't read > twice." > > > Murat, you speak of Austen being chick-lit as if that were a > negative? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Sent: Monday, 1 September, 2008 2:14:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > > > Geraldine, > > > > > > Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at one > time? > > > > > > It was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after > twentyfive > > > years > > > when I first read it when I was eighteen. > > > > > > One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be > read only > > > once, > > > preferably before one has read any of its numerous imitators. > Magical > > > Realism has become the favorite cliche of non-western writers > presenting > > > their world to the west. > > > > > > Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my > favorite > > > Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently > precise prose. > > > > > > Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses. > > > > > > I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 > are as good > > > as > > > I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to > > > Dostoevsky. > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, there are novelist who remain as problematic, > as fresh > > > as > > > they were at first reading. Melville remains first among them, > along with > > > Proust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read > Pierre > > > again!), but one can not help it. > > > > > > Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the > quintessential chick > > > lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, > who is > > > handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield > Park (that's > > > her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone > who > > > socially > > > put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know > there is > > Jane > > > Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this > style take > > one > > > over the years? > > > > > > Ciao, > > > > > > Murat > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk < > > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Murat, > > > > I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the > reader is > > > > strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time, > especially > > > age. I > > > > was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so > I had a > > lot > > > of > > > > reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. > I'm not > > > even > > > > sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when > I was a > > > > teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from > where I was > > > born > > > > and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was > magnetic. > > > > > > > > Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her > simply because > > > > she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as > 19th Century > > > (not > > > > that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think > that's part of > > > the > > > > fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and > yet > > > curiously > > > > old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut > reading > > > > Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. > > > > > > > > Geraldine > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" < > > > muratnn@GMAIL.COM> > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geraldine, > > > >> > > > >> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of > Casterbridge left a > > a > > > >> very > > > >> strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago > in Turkey > > > (in > > > >> English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same > time. It > > > >> blew > > > >> my mind. > > > >> > > > >> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at > Robert > > College, > > > >> the > > > >> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by > missionaries > > > who > > > >> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed > Foster is > > > >> writing > > > >> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its > surrounding > > > areas > > > >> up > > > >> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. > > > >> > > > >> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating > experience > > for > > > >> me, > > > >> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was > wasted. > > > >> > > > >> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which interestingly > I also > > > >> thought > > > >> is the best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry > James, who > > was > > > a > > > >> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of > Hawthorne. My > > > guess > > > >> is > > > >> The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, > the first > > few > > > >> pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. > > > >> > > > >> I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. > > > >> > > > >> Ciao, > > > >> > > > >> Murat > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk < > > > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk > > > >> >wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Murat, > > > >>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love > Wuthering > > > >>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but > they all > > > love > > > >>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of > the > > > greatest > > > >>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format), > Henry > > James, > > > >>> Melville, Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking > stick in > > my > > > >>> mind > > > >>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not > liking it > > > that's > > > >>> a > > > >>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be > harsher than > > > you > > > >>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Murat wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Geraldine, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the > English > > > >>> language? > > > >>> > > > >>> Ciao, > > > >>> > > > >>> Murat > > > >>> > > > >>> ================================== > > > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > > > >>> guidelines > > > >>> & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> ================================== > > > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > > > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ================================== > > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > > > guidelines > > > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > > > > ================================== > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:31:55 -0700 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Sillman: what kind of monster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii only recently been able to take a look at Sillman's epic, something Huts. with the Chinese notebook section, the poems that look like "normal" poems 2. The guy's a monster. the opening section is maybe something entirely new. Pure writing. Prose? Joyce? what is it? i've seen stuff like it before but nothing as elaborate. from the lango poets i'm trying to get to the point where i can write confidently in an abstract way. i can do it on paintshop. i should be able to get there with the word. what else? anything more to say? something? what? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:08:38 -0700 Reply-To: nettiereno@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Annette Subject: Noon In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since reading my first Noon, I have purchased any past issues available and= will certainly buy #6. It is a wonderful publication to read and a beautif= ul little book. Well done. =A0 Annette Ackerson=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:40:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Robert Venturi vs. Harold Bloom & Y ME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my problem is as follows: I feel the need to make a Bloom like utterance co= ncerning my favorite writers, but it means I must be willing to defend them= at all cost. On the other hand, Venturi, the architect, has shown me how t= o plug into any given vernacular.=0A"""""Leaving Las Vegas"""""=A0WAS=A0a t= ruely awesome book.=0A=0AConsider: i've recently=A0browsed the Buks "Pleasu= res of the Damned," collected poems. the guy was very good, possibly as goo= d as Gisberg. but he needed=A0an editor and that wasn't his style. too many= boring racetrack poems, etc, in his usual tomes. but in his edited collect= ion, you can see his=A0him at his best. & he is a mature poet, however one = may define mature. but there's many painful, inciteful poems in the book. = =0A=0Aadd to that the fact that he had=A0his prose, original, simple, and f= un.=A0=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:41:33 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Technicians of the Sacred reading: 40 years In-Reply-To: <48BDECF7.4030601@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Wonderful, what a Gathering! Here are my cheers to you all, continue the great Work, from a fringe lost in the Alps in Italy, :-) Anny On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > Wish I cd be there. Have a great time, all. > > > Jerome Rothenberg wrote: > >> At the Bowery Poetry Club, Sunday, September 14, 4:00 to 6:00 p.m., I wi= ll >> be hosting a celebration of the 40th anniversary of Technicians of the >> Sacred, which brought a global range of oral & tribal poetry into focus = & >> launched ethnopoetics as a new approach to poetry & performance. Joinin= g me >> will be a group of active poets & performers including Charles Bernstein= , >> Bob Holman, Pierre Joris, Charlie Morrow, Nicole Peyrafitte, Diane >> Rothenberg, Carolee Schneemann, & Cecilia Vicu=F1a. (Bowery Poetry Club= , 308 >> Bowery, between Houston & Bleecker, in NYC.) >> >> >> Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." >> 1026 San Abella --Novalis >> Encinitas, CA 92024 >> (760) 436-9923 >> jrothenberg at cox.net >> http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ >> new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ >> j.r. in spanish: http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/esp/ >> Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:42:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: EJOYCE Subject: Mei-mei Berssenbrugge and Annie Finch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Come to western Pennsylvania for some great poetry readings! Mei-mei Berssenbrugge is reading next Thursday, September 11 at noon at= Edinboro University of Pennsylvania, and Annie Finch is reading at= Allegheny College at 8 that evening. The conference, "Lifting Belly High: Poetry by Women Since 1900," is taking= place September 11-13 and will feature readings by these poets, as well as= by Kathleen Fraser, Claudia Rankine, Lynn Emanuel, and others. See the= webpage for more details: http://www.duq.edu/womenpoets/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:33:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Poetry Turn On! [on behalf of Nathaniel Siegel] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PRESS CONTACT: NATHANIELSIEGEL Email nathanielsiegel@nyc.rr.com=20 Monday Sept 8th, 2008 8pm to 10pm St. Mark=E2=80=99s Church in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street New York, NY 10003 Main Sanctuary=20 Poetry Turn On ! An evening of poetry readings by poets: Miguel Algarin, Mahogany Browne, Regie Cabico, Steve Cannon, Michael Cirelli, Brenda Coultas, Sam Diaz, John= Farris, Merry Fortune, Celena Glenn, Lois Griffith, Bill Kushner, Jill Mag= i, Filip Marinovich, Chris Martin, Stephen Motika, Amy Ouzoonian, Eve Packe= r, Kristin Prevallet, Shappy, Moonshine Shorey, Rachel M. Simon, Tracy K. S= mith, Stacy Szymaszek, Clare Ultimo.=20 This incredible group of poets come together to present their work and repr= esent five of the numerous poetry organizations and venues that serve New Y= ork City and the World poetry throughout the year: The Bowery Poetry Club, = A Gathering Of The Tribes, Nuyorican Poets Caf=C3=A9, The Poetry Project an= d Poets House.=20 A reception in the Parish Hall will follow the reading, and serve as an opp= ortunity to meet the poets, purchase books, become a member, and celebrate = this year=E2=80=99s HOWL ! Festival.=20 This reading is FREE and Open to the Public.=20 Websites for the participating organizations are listed here: www.bowerypoetry.com www.tribes.org www.nuyorican.org www.poetryproject.com www.poetshouse.org=20 Contact: nathanielsiegel@nyc.rr.com=20 ________________________________________________________________________=20 For photo=E2=80=99s contact Nathaniel Siegel _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:34:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jilly Dybka Subject: Re: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://twincities.indymedia.org/ IndyMedia has a good update page & Glenn Greenwald has been updating as well. http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/ I try not to be paranoid but the fact is that police departments all over the US have a crapload of Department of Homeland Security money & have bought all kinds of crazy gear & have become militarized even beyond what the War on Drugs $$$ provided them. In the future, as citizens give more power to the federal government, I think the incentive to protest will be even lessened. If the federal gov't is underwriting your healthcare, for example, are you going to risk protesting? Jilly -- Jilly Dybka, WA4CZD jilly9@gmail.com Blog: http://www.poetryhut.com/wordpress/ Jazz: http://cdbaby.com/cd/dybka Book: http://stores.lulu.com/jilly9 (free download) Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:50:59 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: twshaner@COMCAST.NET Subject: Robert Grenier reading in Eugene, OR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's the Fall Schedule for A-New Poetry: Experimental Writing Series in Eugene, OR Robert Grenier Wednesday, September 10, 7:30 PM @ DIVA, 110 W. Broadway, Eugene, OR Robert Grenier is a contemporary American poet associated with the Bay Area Language Poetry scene of the mid-70s to mid-80s. A graduate of Harvard College and the University of Iowa Program in Creative Writing, he has taught literature and creative writing at UC Berkeley, Tufts, Franconia College, New College of California and Mills College. His works include Sentences, Series, Oakland, A Day At The Beach, Phantom Anthems and OWL/ON/BOU/GH . Grenier is currently co-editing a Collected Poems of Larry Eigner for the Stanford University Press. He was founding co-editor (with Barrett Watten) of the influential little magazine This (1971-1974) and was the editor of Robert Creeley's Selected Poems, published in 1976. Grenier's early work, influenced by Creeley, is noted for its minimalism. Grenier's recent work is as much visual as verbal, involving multicolor "drawn" poems in special (and not always reproducible) formats. Jules Boykoff and Kaia Sand Saturday, October 11, 7:30 PM - @ DIVA, 110 W. Broadway, Eugene, OR Jules Boykoff is co-author, with Kaia Sand, of Landscapes of Dissent: Guerrilla Poetry & Public Space (Palm Press, 2008). He also wrote Beyond Bullets: The Suppression of Dissent in the United States (AK Press, 2007), The Suppression of Dissent: How the State and Mass Media Squelch USAmerican Social Movements (Routledge, 2006) and the poetry collection Once Upon a Neoliberal Rocket Badge (Edge Books, 2006), which was recently translated into Italian by GAMMM. A collaboration with visual artist Jim Dine is forthcoming (Steidl, 2008). Boykoff's critical writing has appeared in scholarly journals like Antipode, Social Movement Studies, and New Political Science as well as popular publications like XCP: Cross Cultural Poetics, Common Dreams, and NACLA: Report on the Americas. His poems have recently appeared in Ixnay, Model Homes, and Tinfish. In Novemb er 2006 he was an invited speaker at the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Nairobi, Kenya, where he presented research he ca rried out with his brother Maxwell Boykoff (Oxford University) on U.S. media coverage of global warming. Boykoff teaches political science and writing at Pacific University and lives in Portland, Oregon, USA where he co-curates the Tangent Reading Series with Rodney Koeneke and Kaia Sand. Kaia Sand is the author of the poetry collection interval (Edge Books 2004), selected as a Small Press Traffic Book of the Year. she created a dusie kollektiv (www.dusie.org) chapbook for her poem tiny arctic ice, which was re-configured as a broadside by Bowerbox Press and as an artist book by Jim Dine. She is creating multi-media investigations of political histories lodged in Pacific Northwest of the United States, as well as a series of poems collaged from dystopic documents. Her most recent book, Landscapes of Dissent: Guerilla Poetry & Public Space (Palm Press, 2008), is co-authored with Jules Boykoff. Sand co-edits the Tangent Press (www.thetangentpress.org). David Abel, Maryrose Larkin, and Eric Matchett. Saturday, November 15, 7:30 PM @ DIVA, 110 W. Broadway, Eugene, OR David Abel is a poet, performer, and interdisciplinary artist who works as a freelance editor and a bookseller. He is the author of Let Us Repair (wax paper scissors, 2007, with Anna Daedalus) and Black Valentine (Chax Press, 2006). A founder of the Spare Room reading series, he devised the libretto for the Liminal Performance Group's multimedia lecture-opera, The Theory of Love (www.liminalgroup.org). Maryrose Larkin lives in Portland, Oregon, where she works as a freelance researcher. She is the author of Inverse (nine muses books), Whimsy Daybook 2007 (FLASH+CARD), and The Book of Ocean (i.e. press). Her work can be found in FO A RM, Insurance, Bird Dog, the Columbia Poetry Review, and the Washington Review. Maryrose is part of Spare Room, a group of people who organize readings and other events in Portland. She is co-editor, with Sarah Mangold, of FLASH+CARD, a chapbook and ephemera poetry press. Eric Matchett enjoys the pursuit of music, especially via collaboration. His latest completed project, a CD of dub furniture music with Jake Anderson, can be found at www.archive.org/details/ActivityUniversalAssociates. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:57:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Urgent Petition/Free Press Action Alert: Drop All Charges Against Journalists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --- On *Tue, 9/2/08, Karen Pomer * wrote: PLEASE FORWARD..... FREE PRESS ACTION ALERT [image: Amy Goodman Arrested] Police in St. Paul arrested several journalists yesterday, including *Democracy Now!* host Amy Goodman. *Stand Up for Independent Journalism* *Yesterday, police in St. Paul arrested several journalists, including Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman and an AP photographer as they were covering protests of the Republican National Convention.* Amy Goodman and others were released last night, but the story is not over. We need you to cosign our public letter demanding that press intimidation cease immediately, and that all charges be dropped. It will be delivered immediately to St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman, the RNC Host Committee and the local prosecuting attorneys. *We need 10,000 signatures in the next 24 hours, so please take action now*: *Sign the Letter: Drop All Charges Against Journalists* In addition to these arrests, police with firearms drawn raided a meeting of the video journalists' group I-Witness and arrested independent media, bloggers and videomakers. We're also receiving late-breaking reports of other arrests. By signing this letter, you're sending a powerful message: Officials must rein in aggressive and violent tactics by local law enforcement, stop the targeting of journalists and immediately drop all charges against them. *Reporting by independent journalists is vital to a functioning democracy.*Americans must have access to diverse sources of information to hold their leaders accountable. Journalists must be free to do their jobs without intimidation. *Please Take Action by Signing this Letter* Don't wait. We need a free press now more than ever. Tell your friends and take action now! Thank you, Josh Silver Executive Director Free Press www.freepress. net 1. Watch the videoof Goodman's arrest. 2. See other journalists being arrestedas reported by UpTake. 3. News of the AP arrest. 4. Learn more about the arrestof an ABC News producer during the Democratic Convention in Denver. 5. Watch the videoof the police raid of I-Witness journalists (Caution: strong language). ------------------------------ Take action on this important campaign at: https://secure. freepress. net/site/ Advocacy? id=281 Tell your friends about this campaign at: http://free. convio.net/ site/Ecard? ecard_id= 1361 *Note:* Free Press is a national nonpartisan organization working to reform the media. Free Press does not endorse or oppose any candidate for public office. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:55:02 -0700 Reply-To: ndm_g@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andy Gricevich Subject: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It seems like, earlier in the day, the astonishing mob of police in riot gear have usually been pretty calm. It's as the afternoon goes on that they start splitting peaceful marches arbitrarily into smaller sections, detaining large groups of people for hours on single city blocks, raiding various spaces. Last night there were three attempted police actions at the Bedlam Theatre, where I'm performing every night--the first a response to an anonymous call asserting that the Bedlam was selling "more than beer and wine." Fortunately, the folks there run a very tight ship, ID'ing people rigorously, etc., so the officer who showed up was shown around the building to her satisfaction. When told that the theater was hosting evenings of political art in response to the RNC, she said "I'll try to come back for that. I'd be protesting if I didn't have this job." Later in the evening, a fleet of bicycle cops showed up, and an hour later seven or eight squad cars; neither found anything illegal going on, so they left. The sort of luck not found by the people at the RNC Welcoming Committee Convergence Center, who had their dangerous pamphlets and unspecified "weapons" confiscated. The anarchists, by the way, tend to get a bad rap. For every report of a flaming dumpster or a rock through a window, assume 200 more incredibly well-organized people, presenting a type of chaotic performance much less thrill-driven and violent than their popular image--one which can switch modes and directions at an instant, revealing the tight links between its members. They also have the general policy of conducting controversial actions in a way "separated by time or space" from permitted activities, so that they're not conflated with the officially sanctioned protest events. The papers here--so far--have picked up on that distinction pretty well, which is surprising; I'm used to journalists taking every opportunity to make property destruction the symbolic image of any activist event. Mary, Fluffy--come see the goings-on at the Bedlam! Great political theater and music nightly. --Andy blogging sporadically at http://ndgwriting.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:38:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: charles alexander Subject: Re: Mei-mei Berssenbrugge and Annie Finch In-Reply-To: <2008090315424227884d6af8@webmail1.edinboro.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed WOW! What a marvelous gathering! I sure wish I would have known a couple of months ago. Now I have a conflict, but I'm definitely there in spirit, and hopefully can listen to recorded versions if they will be available somewhere. cheers, charles At 08:42 AM 9/3/2008, you wrote: >Come to western Pennsylvania for some great poetry readings! > >Mei-mei Berssenbrugge is reading next Thursday, September 11 at noon >at Edinboro University of Pennsylvania, and Annie Finch is reading >at Allegheny College at 8 that evening. > >The conference, "Lifting Belly High: Poetry by Women Since 1900," is >taking place September 11-13 and will feature readings by these >poets, as well as by Kathleen Fraser, Claudia Rankine, Lynn Emanuel, >and others. See the webpage for more details: http://www.duq.edu/womenpoets/ > >================================== >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html Charles Alexander Chax Press 411 N 7th Ave Suite 103 Tucson, AZ 85705-8332 520-620-1626 (Chax Press) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com http://chax.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:44:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Re: Sillman: what kind of monster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain Silliman is a monster and a soothing one, and what's scarier than a sooth= ing monster.=20=20 Everything in my brain feels good, no, my brain feels good, everything in= the poem=20 makes sense, clicks into place when I read him, like when I feel relaxed = and right when=20 listening to jazz. The monster comes in the deception, because I'm not s= ure I could=20 explain my understanding of him. The thing is, for Silliman's work to wo= rk, there has to=20 be a supreme logic--dense funnels of invisible connection beneath the wor= ds. There is a=20 supreme logic and there's confidence, because how could he not be confide= nt, at least in=20 the moment of creation?=20=20 His work is a firmament. The reader is that little man from the Medieval= paintings (or is=20 it Blake) who's peeking up and out. All praise Silliman 'cause why not, 'cause that guy could eat us alive. Sarah Sarai http://www.myspace.com/sarahsarai >>>>>> only recently been able to take a look at Sillman's epic, something Huts.= with the Chinese=20 notebook section, the poems that look like "normal" poems 2. The guy's a = monster. the=20 opening section is maybe something entirely new. Pure writing. Prose? Joy= ce? what is it?=20 i've seen stuff like it before but nothing as elaborate.=20 from the lango poets i'm trying to get to the point where i can write con= fidently in an=20 abstract way. i can do it on paintshop. i should be able to get there wit= h the word. what else? anything more to say? something? what? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:06:19 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Hey! I'm currently working on a project called "Ore" (the third part in a trilog= y of books - the first two called "the Proteus" and "Joys : A Catalogue of = Disappointments"). Now, Ore is peculiar in that it does not contain any of = my words or lines or poems - I'm simply reading all the books I can get my = hands on and (consciously) building a collage of texts. Some are built of l= ines from one particular book (ROVA Improvisations, Coolidge, for instance)= ; some are patchworks from multiple books and journal and on-line sources. = Here's the example from ROVA: we breathe, the gap we breathe you have to eye into these speeds make a cue of silence thumbs a bus or canoe, frog boots, lump in your station of notion, the full time riddle take back the once said to the one in need but what accumulates like silence (like silences) where is my hand the deignings to be patched out over a selection of tones / bones but seeing is always in tune not exactly a belief in hearing as the distance from there (hedgerows) to here (ovaltine) saying what is written with is without a light that no lights truly match but that =93just=94 is wrong gets breath, breath of holds that fill with stuff and in the interstitial oink (oak) the oleo (trace) how fast, how slim in the palm? that in some voice you will say it that no one solos a blenter awe-quid sod bent and sun-veined wheel put things in with pins in the semblance gone as far as caps will take us (it) brands, at the back came back sounds as like sounds white side of a house, laugh primes, motes sureness of the bend What I'm asking here is... am I going to run into problems if I'm building = a complete book from other people's poems (OPP) and lines? I know this soun= ds a bit risky but... if you have any advice for me, so as to avoid infring= ement or nagging, please send me a message at cacasama@towson.edu Thanks! Christophe Casamassima --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:49:58 -0700 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Auster Fatigue///washingtonpost/podcast/including MY last word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's as though the guy were haunting me. Washington Post Pd cast@ www.washingtonpost.com/books. my, let's hope, last word on the guy. he is, as others have pointed out, a = superior writer. Still, that wager. If=A0 the=A0 guy had simply said that=A0 his wager=A0 wa= s the sort of=A0 thing one does in one's twenties.=A0 Maybe=A0 we're suppos= ed to infer=A0 that=A0 that=A0 is what one does in=A0 while young, make imm= ature gambits. Whatever, as the kids say. I'll=A0 read his latest.=20 May avoid "The Invention of Solitude." Life is, after all, short.=20 =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:49:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andy Nicholson Subject: Re: Technicians of the Sacred reading: 40 years In-Reply-To: <00e601c90d4f$e517f5e0$6500a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline It remains a wonderful anthology. I wish I could be there for the reading. Andy On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Jerome Rothenberg wro= te: > At the Bowery Poetry Club, Sunday, September 14, 4:00 to 6:00 p.m., I wil= l be hosting a celebration of the 40th anniversary of Technicians of the Sa= cred, which brought a global range of oral & tribal poetry into focus & lau= nched ethnopoetics as a new approach to poetry & performance. Joining me w= ill be a group of active poets & performers including Charles Bernstein, Bo= b Holman, Pierre Joris, Charlie Morrow, Nicole Peyrafitte, Diane Rothenberg= , Carolee Schneemann, & Cecilia Vicu=F1a. (Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery,= between Houston & Bleecker, in NYC.) > > > Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." > 1026 San Abella --Novalis > Encinitas, CA 92024 > (760) 436-9923 > jrothenberg at cox.net > http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ > new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ > j.r. in spanish: http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/esp/ > Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:47:56 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul -- Journalist Integrity In-Reply-To: <822170.72549.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have my journalism students watch this video analyzing just how spin is b= irthed from protests=A0 ... I love what they do to the 'anarchists' -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D36A8DV3dk24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D36A8DV3dk24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D36A8DV3dk24 Amy _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Andy Gricevich wrote: From: Andy Gricevich Subject: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 1:55 PM It seems like, earlier in the day, the astonishing mob of police in riot ge= ar have usually been pretty calm. It's as the afternoon goes on that they star= t splitting peaceful marches arbitrarily into smaller sections, detaining lar= ge groups of people for hours on single city blocks, raiding various spaces. L= ast night there were three attempted police actions at the Bedlam Theatre, wher= e I'm performing every night--the first a response to an anonymous call asserting that the Bedlam was selling "more than beer and wine." Fortunately, the folks there run a very tight ship, ID'ing people rigorously, etc., so the officer who showed up was shown around the buildin= g to her satisfaction. When told that the theater was hosting evenings of politi= cal art in response to the RNC, she said "I'll try to come back for that. I'd be protesting if I didn't have this job." Later in the evening, a fleet of bicycle cops showed up, and an hour later seven or eight squad c= ars; neither found anything illegal going on, so they left. The sort of luck no= t found by the people at the RNC Welcoming Committee Convergence Center, who = had their dangerous pamphlets and unspecified "weapons" confiscated.=20 The anarchists, by the way, tend to get a bad rap. For every report of a flaming dumpster or a rock through a window, assume 200 more incredibly well-organized people, presenting a type of chaotic performance much less thrill-driven and violent than their popular image--one which can switch mo= des and directions at an instant, revealing the tight links between its members= . They also have the general policy of conducting controversial actions in a = way "separated by time or space" from permitted activities, so that they're not conflated with the officially sanctioned protest events. The papers here--so far--have picked up on that distinction pretty well, which = is surprising; I'm used to journalists taking every opportunity to make property destruction the symbolic image of any activist event.=20 Mary, Fluffy--come see the goings-on at the Bedlam! Great political theater= and music nightly.=20 --Andy blogging sporadically at http://ndgwriting.blogspot.com =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:06:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Re: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain Wait a second. Re: Jilly Dybka's "In the future, as citizens give more = power to the=20 federal government, I think the incentive to protest will be even lessene= d. If the federal=20 gov't is underwriting your healthcare, for example, are you going to risk= protesting?" So there's no protest in France? Canada? I disagree with the term "unde= rwriting=20 healthcare." Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, could well be the case, but= as I see it, the=20 government IS us, and it's only function is to BE us, HELP us. The gover= nment can "give=20 me" nothing. It can only redistribute my money and your money, i.e. our = taxes. If I had a rich uncle, Percival Sarai-St. John, and he gave me money for = a healthplan,=20 then--then I might feel an obligation. But Uncle Sam? There's a great p= assage from=20 Whitman on this...the only function of government is to help us. If anyo= ne....? Also...Re: IT'S ALREADY BEGINNING. The investigation into what Police C= ommissioner=20 Kelley and Bloomberg did when the Republicans were in town, N.Y.C., 4 yea= rs ago just=20 ended. The police threw nets over protesters. They threw nets! Sarah Sarai http://www.myspace.com/sarahsarai =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:11:12 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Poetry Turn On! [on behalf of Nathaniel Siegel] In-Reply-To: <283393.19688.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What an incredible gathering! (I cannot post on New Poetry, my other email has a strange glitch, a mail i= n the Outbox does not leave and I cannot send out messages. If there is any good person who knows what I can do to take it out, it does not respond to any command - see Delete, Move, Copy, nothing... thank you) On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:33 PM, amy king wrote: > PRESS CONTACT: NATHANIELSIEGEL > > Email nathanielsiegel@nyc.rr.com > > Monday Sept 8th, 2008 8pm to 10pm > > St. Mark's Church in-the-Bowery > > 131 East 10th Street > > New York, NY 10003 > > Main Sanctuary > > Poetry Turn On ! > > An evening of poetry readings by poets: Miguel Algarin, Mahogany Browne, > > Regie Cabico, Steve Cannon, Michael Cirelli, Brenda Coultas, Sam Diaz, Jo= hn > Farris, Merry Fortune, Celena Glenn, Lois Griffith, Bill Kushner, Jill Ma= gi, > Filip Marinovich, Chris Martin, Stephen Motika, Amy Ouzoonian, Eve Packer= , > Kristin Prevallet, Shappy, Moonshine Shorey, Rachel M. Simon, Tracy K. > Smith, Stacy Szymaszek, Clare Ultimo. > > This incredible group of poets come together to present their work and > represent five of the numerous poetry organizations and venues that serve > New York City and the World poetry throughout the year: The Bowery Poetry > Club, A Gathering Of The Tribes, Nuyorican Poets Caf=E9, The Poetry Proje= ct > and Poets House. > > A reception in the Parish Hall will follow the reading, and serve as an > opportunity to meet the poets, purchase books, become a member, and > celebrate this year's HOWL ! > > Festival. > > This reading is FREE and Open to the Public. > > Websites for the participating organizations are listed here: > > www.bowerypoetry.com > > www.tribes.org > > www.nuyorican.org > > www.poetryproject.com > > www.poetshouse.org > > Contact: nathanielsiegel@nyc.rr.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > For photo's contact Nathaniel Siegel > > > _______ > > > > > > Movies With Poems > > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ > > > > Poems To Do > > http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ > > > > Amy's Alias > > http://amyking.org/ > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:36:14 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: andrew burke Subject: Re: Technicians of the Sacred reading: 40 years In-Reply-To: <4b65c2d70809030341o1942e2bp6ee5421b45558642@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Jerome - congratulations. Was it recorded? Maybe UBUWeb would host it. Andr= ew 2008/9/3 Anny Ballardini : > Wonderful, what a Gathering! Here are my cheers to you all, continue the > great Work, from a fringe lost in the Alps in Italy, > > :-) > Anny > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > >> Wish I cd be there. Have a great time, all. >> >> >> Jerome Rothenberg wrote: >> >>> At the Bowery Poetry Club, Sunday, September 14, 4:00 to 6:00 p.m., I w= ill >>> be hosting a celebration of the 40th anniversary of Technicians of the >>> Sacred, which brought a global range of oral & tribal poetry into focus= & >>> launched ethnopoetics as a new approach to poetry & performance. Joini= ng me >>> will be a group of active poets & performers including Charles Bernstei= n, >>> Bob Holman, Pierre Joris, Charlie Morrow, Nicole Peyrafitte, Diane >>> Rothenberg, Carolee Schneemann, & Cecilia Vicu=F1a. (Bowery Poetry Clu= b, 308 >>> Bowery, between Houston & Bleecker, in NYC.) >>> >>> >>> Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." >>> 1026 San Abella --Novalis >>> Encinitas, CA 92024 >>> (760) 436-9923 >>> jrothenberg at cox.net >>> http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ >>> new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ >>> j.r. in spanish: http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/esp/ >>> Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l >>> >>> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > > -- > Anny Ballardini > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome > http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html > I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing > star! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > --=20 Andrew http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 02:40:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kerouac wrote for the poetry and wrote all that poetry as well On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:03:04 -0700 Stephen Vincent writes: > A friend yesterday let me know that Armand Schwarner (sp?) - at least > his name - appears in Bolano's Savage Detectives. > This has some bearing on novelists reading poets, and vice versa. I > will now definitely read the Bolano. He's earned my respect - or > desire to read him - with the mere mention of Armand. > > A real provincial when it comes to reading most novels, partly > because I am a slow reader, and partly because I read them, when I > do, for the poetry,(Proust, James, Joyce, Faulkner, Woolf, Collette, > etc.) and, I suspect most novelists don't write for the poetry, nor > for that matter, read much poetry. And that's kind of irritating. > (The contradiction is that many of us will chew away on probably > terrible translations of French and German philosophers, and such > will throw our poetry into new directions). > > But any novelist who mentions Armand, he's OK by me! (I also hear > it's a wonderful book (novel).) > > Stephen V > > > David Chirot wrote: Of course, it is a poet > who is saying poems may be read endlessly and novels > not!! > > When you join the Poet's Union, there's a clause in there you have > to sign > in blood that says, no matter what, you will never let any other > form of > writing be more favorably compared to poetry in one's presence or by > oneself, on the pain of immediate and ever lasting punishment under > the > laws & Codes of Poetic Justice-- > > Actually all my life I have had a small handful of books fiction > poetry non > fiction that i pretty much read continuously--here and there one or > two will > drop out and be replaced with new favorites--but i never get tired > of > them--reading in fragments or chunks and interweaving them so that > lines of > poems are found among descritpions of forged battle plans in an > imaginary > writers story in a short story and a novel may be found to contain an > Anarkeyology of crumbling non fiction silting in with that frayed > lines of > poems forming into a mimicking camouflaged appearing "terrain,." > Always have > a couple of these talismanic tomes on my persons for those sudden > emergencies when one is swept up and finds oneself i the elsewheres > of > hospitals police precincts wrong bus stop in the middle of nowhere, > abandoned houses in the middle of nights suddenly alive with ghosts > or quite > simply at any given moment of the day when taken by surprise on is > found > wandering again through those familiar words which seems to heave of > a > sudden detoured into territory so strange that it is impossible to > believe > yet there before one's very eyes that yes, on page 23, in the bottom > right > part of the lat paragraph--is a passage that suddenly swings open > and > reveals an entirely new world inside, like that wall in which there > is a > door out of nowhere in the H. G. Wells story through which the > passerby > discovers one can travel as through a portal among universes. Truly > one > never remotely tires of these books and none of them have any ending > at al > even though occasionally one decides to play at being a rational and > orderly > processional person and does in deed "read straight through from > beginning > to end,"--and each word is not the same as previously and its > familiarity , > the intimacy one has it with , is, like intimacy, the creation of a > mystery > anew with in every instant of its intimicy with the intimacies of it > mysteries-intertwining- > I sometimes wonder if I am simply stuck like a raft in a whirlpool > in a > river but no--since these tomes texts fragments volcanic actions and > explosions, are al continuously disintegrating and reforming, re > arranging, > finding new meanings among the disordered alleys of their carelessly > strewn > and tossed about left over various participles and hanging clauses > and lines > that frankly made no sense--suddenly al of it gathering in a rush > and one > finds oneself at the naissance of a cosmos completely unsuspected > and which > is heaving and breathing with the convulsions of birth-- > those Jim Thompson Murat i have read both of them abt twenty times > and never > tired of them--truly the books poems and images sounds characters > beings > histories become so much part of one they are always cropping up as > one is > kneeling working in the dirt--parting some grass and smashed > stones-there it > is! a line of a poem hobnobbing with a bunch of characters on the > lam from a > a brilliant Sciascia book, warily playing cards with a bunch of > cutthroats > from Rimbaud's illuminations and in the background is the west Texas > sky of > the opening of The killer Inside Me-- > > now a character who moved into my works hangs out with these > lot--bloody > discussions of the violence of words when used to conceal among > their moral > suasions the true thick and heavy blood of the slaughterhouse that > runs > under one's feet > or like when the man in the cell next to me was killed and he blood > ran in > the little gutter for piss-- > and blood flows in books not only words and death stalks in the > pages as > they shudder in a breeze--and a wild set of heathen gods is roasting > something just over the hill as one realises that the marginalia in > a text > have cannibalized the original-- > > and time to find another yet another copy! of the same volume-- > because no matter how muh one reads it, the miracle is one never > memorizes > it, and each time it really is a different series of words than the > last > > people go through life living with certain people in their lives > long long > times- > and so it is with the great modern inventions of paperback pocket > books that > fold and fall apart and are held together out of sheer willpower and > who > cares if the pages begin to make new arrangements al their own with > here and > there a few slipping away like thieves in the night while others > come in, > hidden and darkly plotting among the over heaped baskets of apples > or piles > of hot bricks, the heavy loads of aniomals furs-- > > Really, no book has an end, and when one is afraid of book one is > so > totally in love with and never wants it to end, slowing down and > down and > down to put off as long as possible or maybe just not ever reach the > end, so > one can start over again and not know ever really what the "ending > is." > > Because does the ending matter, Ivonne feels the ending will be the > ending > of this intensity of intimacy of beings--then of course not-! > > one might even just jerk out the last set of pages and stuff them in > the > back of a police's man motorcycle car while he is writing a ticket > for blind > deaf and dumb jay walker-- > > another good thing abt always having these companion with one is > that one > has always paper with which to write! > and companions with whom to carry o conversations aloud or silently- > and what better honor than to write one's bizarre effusions among > those > words one both knows and does not, the uncanny in full regalia > before one > continually-- > > when i was on hose arrest ion Poland for two weeks at one point i > had two > books actually with me in english to read-- > notmysual ones which were stored in sweden-but byby a fluke ulysses > by james > joyce and spoils of poynton by Henry James and Rimbaud quarter or so > of book > that had fallen apart and ditto with a Raymond chandler flapping one > winged---as the back cover had long ago flown south on its own-- > > yet with those four directions as it were--the cosmos opens-- > and one can read for sure Ulysses many times over in succession and > it is > never the same > > a good and esp great writer are never the same--and maybe it it is > the > reader plays a part also of course- > but then there are so many books which if one essayed this--one wd > feel as > though in manacles long before the arrest!! > or before the accident would feel a massive concussion > or simply as though-- > endlessness is not a happy endlessness > but being doomed to an etrnerity of dullness, unimaginative and > pompous and > narrow minded didactic "sophistory "aka soporifics--a new form of > cocktail > philosophy, which Iike the Dial for N. Hawthorne, sends one > immediately in > to the lands of Morpheus > > remember jean Genet had very little to work with in his prison > cells!! > > it does not take al that many words with which one works > continuously to > reform them over and over again like those pieces of bread roiled > about in > the hands to soften and make them sticky in order to keep attached > to the > metal flesh of a locker door--those flesh drenched black and white > grainy > fotos of criminals that excite the writer-- > > the sexuality a writer/reader shares in the intimacy of being > confined with > the texts and those texts that he is beginning to breed with this > companion-- > > why prisons have been veritable Schools of Writing with man quite > distinguished members attending off and on--and producing works far > finer > than many of those fossilized forms that are carefully drawn to plan > when > taught in the writing factories- > > why not? > give Adolf Wolfi some pencils and watch him rip!! > Mr Milton Mr Cervantes mr Villon Chester Himes the fellow who > wrote--Caryl > Chessman-one better not get started Borstal Boy and Malcolm > X--twenty > million more > you se--Gregory Corso--people tottering abt in the Yard with book-- > wearing it out and never getting to he end-- > > to be confined with a few books is to discover there is no end to > them, if > they are good ones- > > and maybe if they aren't quite good enough, after awhile, as one > figures > it-- not really good enough,, why--then--to set to work to set that > score > right!! > > and suddenly realize one is starting to find ways al one's own for > making > up these forms and stories and to heck with being confined in some > one > else's rule books-- > > and Villon le Bon Dieu le sait- > > reading over and over for years on end the same few books in > continual > oscillation -and so in what may at first appear a a confinement, a > gerbil > running on the wheel to nowhere-- > to find ever more possibilities and ideas imaginations structures > forms > emerge--endlessly-- > > a negentropy of--emergence- > > and so leave m roubaud and others to the entropy of the satisfaction > of > determining that novels end here, and poems, of course, being those > forms of > writings made by beings like unto oneself who like oneself have > signed the > oath of loyalty to the secret of never endings-- > produce programmaticly an endlessness > > now--just because something is without end, does this mean that it > is--may > one indeed guarantee this--if it is without end, is it then able to > avoid > that yawning chasm--to be without loss of interest or energy or > repeating > itself?-- > > ah indeed the dangers of the steady state universe of the never > ending > endlessness!! > > yes--one goes forward in endlessness and finds--??? > well -- > finds that novels at least have an end-- > > well the other one, locked away in the confines somewhere-- > finds an inexhaustible flow of possibilities-- > and thinks that sometimes, it is a good thing for a novel to have an > end, > and maybe not so good for a poem not to have one!! > > yes, al things need to be seen from many angles of the dangle do > they > not--whistling gaily, --he addresses the fly with its thousand > prismed eye- > and goes back to writing with the thinnest bit of black shoe polish > on the > end of p]in inside the lines of one of his three endlessly read > books-- > > and singing, having combined shoe polish and thus walking inbetwen > the > lines as he is writing-- > yes--singing-- > "I Walk the Line"-- > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > > > Barry, > > > > No I don't mean it in a negative way. I like reading it a lot, but > I do > > feel > > the critical praise of it is a bit top heavy. > > > > Maybe, you are right. That is why I am hesistant to re-read novel > which > > have > > meant a lot to me. On the other hand, Melville, Proust , Tolstoy, > Kleist, > > to > > me, Hawthorne can be read in short pieces, as fragment. That way > they are > > more like poems. > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Barry Schwabsky < > > b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com > > > wrote: > > > > > In his remarkable book Poetry, etcetera: Cleaning House, Jacques > Roubaud > > > defines a poem as something that has no end and that you can > only re-read > > > whereas a novel is something that ends and in principle is not > to be > > re-read > > > because the ending completes it. "In this sense The Murder of > Roger > > Ackroyd > > > is the novel par excellence. It's the novel you can't read > twice." > > > Murat, you speak of Austen being chick-lit as if that were a > negative? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Sent: Monday, 1 September, 2008 2:14:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > > > Geraldine, > > > > > > Are you sometimes scared to go back to novels you loved at one > time? > > > > > > It was such a disappointment to go back to Dostoevsky after > twentyfive > > > years > > > when I first read it when I was eighteen. > > > > > > One Thousand Years of Solitude: ideally, this book should be > read only > > > once, > > > preferably before one has read any of its numerous imitators. > Magical > > > Realism has become the favorite cliche of non-western writers > presenting > > > their world to the west. > > > > > > Dead Souls: I never dared go back to it. At one time it was my > favorite > > > Russian novel, neck and neck with Tolstoy's incandescently > precise prose. > > > > > > Thank God I have no urge to go back to Ulysses. > > > > > > I wonder if Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me and Pop. 1290 > are as good > > > as > > > I remember them to be; probably they are, infinitely superior to > > > Dostoevsky. > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, there are novelist who remain as problematic, > as fresh > > > as > > > they were at first reading. Melville remains first among them, > along with > > > Proust. They are hard to go back to (God how am I going to read > Pierre > > > again!), but one can not help it. > > > > > > Geraldine, I have a question. Is Jane Austen not the > quintessential chick > > > lit writer. Girl rejects boy. Boy pursues girl. Girl gets boy, > who is > > > handsome, rich (beyond imagination) and moral. In Mainsfield > Park (that's > > > her last novel, yes?) the "poor" girl takes revenge on everyone > who > > > socially > > > put her by humiliating every one and gaining control. I know > there is > > Jane > > > Austen's elegant, ironic, witty style; but how far does this > style take > > one > > > over the years? > > > > > > Ciao, > > > > > > Murat > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Geraldine Monk < > > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Murat, > > > > I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the > reader is > > > > strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time, > especially > > > age. I > > > > was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so > I had a > > lot > > > of > > > > reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. > I'm not > > > even > > > > sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when > I was a > > > > teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from > where I was > > > born > > > > and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was > magnetic. > > > > > > > > Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her > simply because > > > > she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as > 19th Century > > > (not > > > > that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think > that's part of > > > the > > > > fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and > yet > > > curiously > > > > old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut > reading > > > > Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. > > > > > > > > Geraldine > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" < > > > muratnn@GMAIL.COM> > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geraldine, > > > >> > > > >> I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of > Casterbridge left a > > a > > > >> very > > > >> strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago > in Turkey > > > (in > > > >> English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same > time. It > > > >> blew > > > >> my mind. > > > >> > > > >> An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at > Robert > > College, > > > >> the > > > >> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by > missionaries > > > who > > > >> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed > Foster is > > > >> writing > > > >> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its > surrounding > > > areas > > > >> up > > > >> to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. > > > >> > > > >> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating > experience > > for > > > >> me, > > > >> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was > wasted. > > > >> > > > >> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which interestingly > I also > > > >> thought > > > >> is the best 19th century English novel. I also love Henry > James, who > > was > > > a > > > >> feminist, an American novelist and a great admirer of > Hawthorne. My > > > guess > > > >> is > > > >> The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel, > the first > > few > > > >> pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. > > > >> > > > >> I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. > > > >> > > > >> Ciao, > > > >> > > > >> Murat > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk < > > > monk@themonk.demon.co.uk > > > >> >wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Murat, > > > >>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love > Wuthering > > > >>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but > they all > > > love > > > >>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of > the > > > greatest > > > >>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format), > Henry > > James, > > > >>> Melville, Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking > stick in > > my > > > >>> mind > > > >>> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not > liking it > > > that's > > > >>> a > > > >>> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be > harsher than > > > you > > > >>> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Murat wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Geraldine, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at least written in the > English > > > >>> language? > > > >>> > > > >>> Ciao, > > > >>> > > > >>> Murat > > > >>> > > > >>> ================================== > > > >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > > > >>> guidelines > > > >>> & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> ================================== > > > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > > > >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ================================== > > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > > > guidelines > > > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > > > > ================================== > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:54:49 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul -- and those who ride bikes in NYC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sarah, Check out what they do on a regular basis to people who dare to ride bikes = in NYC (a la Critical Mass): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2aT9p36fgHU My tiny post about it here:=A0 http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/poli= ce-state/ Be well, Amy _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Sarah Sarai wrote: From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Re: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 4:06 PM Wa Also...Re: IT'S ALREADY BEGINNING. The investigation into what Police Commissioner Kelley and Bloomberg did when the Republicans were in town, N.= Y.C., 4 years ago just ended. The police threw nets over protesters. They threw nets! Sarah Sarai http://www.myspace.com/sarahsarai =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:19:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jilly Dybka Subject: Re: FW: It's already beginning -- Raid in St. Paul In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well I disagree with you & Whitman with the role of the Federal Gov't. :) -- Jilly Dybka, WA4CZD jilly9@gmail.com Blog: http://www.poetryhut.com/wordpress/ Jazz: http://cdbaby.com/cd/dybka Book: http://stores.lulu.com/jilly9 (free download) Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:01:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: crystal hoffman Subject: Re: Technicians of the Sacred reading: 40 years In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll be driving in from Pittsburgh for the event. It's an amazing line-up! Crystal typewritergirls.com Andy Nicholson wrote: It remains a wonderful anthology. I wish I could be there for the reading. Andy On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Jerome Rothenberg wrote: > At the Bowery Poetry Club, Sunday, September 14, 4:00 to 6:00 p.m., I will be hosting a celebration of the 40th anniversary of Technicians of the Sacred, which brought a global range of oral & tribal poetry into focus & launched ethnopoetics as a new approach to poetry & performance. Joining me will be a group of active poets & performers including Charles Bernstein, Bob Holman, Pierre Joris, Charlie Morrow, Nicole Peyrafitte, Diane Rothenberg, Carolee Schneemann, & Cecilia Vicuña. (Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery, between Houston & Bleecker, in NYC.) > > > Jerome Rothenberg "Language is Delphi." > 1026 San Abella --Novalis > Encinitas, CA 92024 > (760) 436-9923 > jrothenberg at cox.net > http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ > new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ > j.r. in spanish: http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/esp/ > Blog at poemsandpoetics.blogspot.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:21:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Lewis Subject: WCW 125 B'day Symposium in Rutherford MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear List: The Town of Rutherford,NJ, hometown of William Carlos Williams is celebrating his 125th Birthday with a Synposium that features poets, scholars, biographers and members of the poet's family. The program will beheld at the WCW Center in the heart of town. Rutherford is easily accessed from Manhattan by taking NJ Transit's #190 bu= s (which run very frequently) or taking the PATH to Hoboken and taking a shor= t ride on the NJT Bergen County Train Line to Rutherford. The town is also easily reached by car. Joel Lewis rutherfordlibrary.typepad.com/williamcarloswilliams/ WCW POETRY SYMPOSIUM PROGRAM (as of 9/1/08) at the WILLIAMS CENTER SATURDAY, 9/20 9 =96 9:30 am Welcome by Della Rowland, WCW Poetry Symposium Chair. Remark= s by Joe DeFazio, Williams Center Board President. Proclamations by Mayor John Hipp= . 9:30 =96 10:30 "WCW's Rutherford: Growing Up and Living in a Small Town" =97 Historic media presentation by Borough Historian Rod Leith 10:45 =96 11:30 Talk on WCW, Ezra Pound, & New Directions Publishing founde= r James Laughlin "The Care and Feeding of a Literary Reputation" =97 by Peggy Fox (New Directions president and publisher) "Dear God / Dear Bill: The Turbulent Discourse of Poet and Publisher" =97 by Ian MacNiven (biographer, Professor Emeritus SUNY Maritime College) 11:30 =96 12:15 "To All Gentleness: Revisiting My Old Friend, WCW" =97 Neil Baldwin on the reissue of his biography, to all gentleness: Willia= m Carlos Williams, the Doctor Poet LUNCH 12:15 =96 2:15 pm 12:30 =96 2 =96 Historic Bus Tour #1 =96 led by Rod Leith 12:30 =96 2 =96 Bus trip #1 to Meadowlands Museum 12:15 =96 2 =96 Book Signings in Williams Center 2:30 =96 4 "What I Didn't Put in My Books =96 a personal remembrance of WC= W" =97 Pulitzer Prize winning Harvard Professor Dr. Robert Coles. Discussion = and multi- media presentation, with photographer Thomas Roma, of House Calls, a photo-essay sequel to The Doctor Stories 4 =96 5:30 "Still Getting the News from Poems: WCW in the 21st Century" Panel discussion of WCW's poetic legacy =97 Kerry Driscoll, moderator; Ne= il Baldwin, Paul Cappucci, Ian Copestake, Chris MacGowan, Edith Vasquez, Bill Zavatsky SATURDAY, 9/20 (cont.) DINNER 6 =96 8 pm 6 =96 7:30 =96 Historic Bus Tour #2 =96 led by Rod Leith 6 =96 7:30 =96 Book Sales & Signings in Williams Center EVENING EVENT 8 =96 10 pm An evening with WCW biographer and award-winning poet Paul Mariani =97 Poetry reading, conversation about WCW, plus Q&A SUNDAY, 9/21 9:30 =96 10:15 am "Poetry in Music" =96 A concert on the Williams Terra= ce =97 Anthony Serrao on the Raquel Williams Piano and soprano Sharon Callandrillo perform works based on poems by Agee, Goethe, Pushkin, and Dickinson 10:30 =96 11:30 Readings by10-county high school poetry contest winners =97 presented by poets and judges Lewis Warsh, Joel Lewis, Jim Klein, and Zorida Mohammed 12 =96 1 "Pictures for A River of Words" by children's book illustrator Melissa Sweet =97 Reading and talk with art presentation on WCW-influenced illustration= s LUNCH 11:30 =96 1:30 11:45 =96 1:15 =96 Historic Bus Tour #3 =96 led by Rod Leith 11:45 =96 1:15 =96 Bus trip to Meadowlands Museum #2 11:45 =96 1:00 =96 Book Sales & Signings in Williams Center 1:30 =96 2:30 "Poet among Painters: Williams and his Artistic Family" =97 Double screen documentary by Emily Mitchell Wallace 2:45 =96 4:15 "WCW At Home" Panel discussion of WCW the family man =97 Emily Mitchell Wallace, moderato= r; with Andrew Krivak, and featuring WCW family members 4:30 =96 6:30 Poets read WCW and their own works plus Open Readings as time permits =97 Harvey Shapiro, Lewis Warsh, Bill Zavatsky, & others =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:39:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One thing's for sure, if you are worried, don't ask anyone's advice but a l= awyer's. =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Christophe Casamas= sima =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.ED= U=0ASent: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008 8:06:19 PM=0ASubject: URGENT - Copyr= ight Infringement or Collage?=0A=0AHey!=0A=0AI'm currently working on a pro= ject called "Ore" (the third part in a trilogy of books - the first two cal= led "the Proteus" and "Joys : A Catalogue of Disappointments"). Now, Ore is= peculiar in that it does not contain any of my words or lines or poems - I= 'm simply reading all the books I can get my hands on and (consciously) bui= lding a collage of texts. Some are built of lines from one particular book = (ROVA Improvisations, Coolidge, for instance); some are patchworks from mul= tiple books and journal and on-line sources. Here's the example from ROVA:= =0A=0Awe breathe, the gap we breathe=0Ayou have to eye into these speeds=0A= make a cue of silence thumbs=0Aa bus or canoe, frog boots, lump in your sta= tion=0Aof notion, the full time riddle=0Atake back the once said to the one= in need=0A=0Abut what accumulates like silence (like silences)=0Awhere is = my hand=0Athe deignings to be patched out over a selection of tones / bones= =0A=0Abut seeing is always in tune=0Anot exactly a belief in hearing=0Aas t= he distance from there (hedgerows) to here (ovaltine)=0Asaying what is writ= ten with is without a light=0Athat no lights truly match=0Abut that =E2=80= =9Cjust=E2=80=9D is wrong=0Agets breath, breath of holds that fill with stu= ff=0Aand in the interstitial oink (oak) the oleo (trace)=0Ahow fast, how sl= im in the palm?=0Athat in some voice you will say it=0A=0Athat no one solos= =0Aa blenter awe-quid sod=0Abent and sun-veined wheel=0A=0Aput things in wi= th pins in the semblance=0Agone as far as caps will take us (it)=0A=0Abrand= s, at the back came back=0Asounds as like sounds=0Awhite side of a house, l= augh=0Aprimes, motes=0Asureness of the bend=0A=0AWhat I'm asking here is...= am I going to run into problems if I'm building a complete book from other= people's poems (OPP) and lines? I know this sounds a bit risky but... if y= ou have any advice for me, so as to avoid infringement or nagging, please s= end me a message at cacasama@towson.edu=0A=0AThanks!=0A=0AChristophe Casama= ssima=0A=0A=0A-- =0APowered By Outblaze=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines= & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:34:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Douglas Manson Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: <20080903190619.EECB613EE2@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline First Question: did you just quote Coolidge, or your poem? & some brief, quick responses to the idea of "infringement" as if poetry isn't already composed as an infringement on all kinds and species of norms, proprieties and complacencies, your work is collage, the "originality" found in processes of relation from line to line most readers, I would bet, won't know your sourcing enough to be provoked three works of my own have used, almost entirely, lines or poems from other works: a poem in Ecopoetics 4/5 "The Natural World", the entirety of "A Book of Birthdays" (composed by using lines from books published in the birth-year of the friend or relation to whom the poem was dedicated) and a re-writing of Rabindranath Tagore's *Gitanjali *there are hundreds of examples of this from fine writers & artists such as Schwitters, Ernst, the master of uncreative writing Kenneth Goldsmith or the project of Flarf: the idea is "collage" which was discussed in this forum recently (see the Poetics List archives) judgement is less likely to fall on your appropriation than on the quality and durability of the weave but my work on Tagore's poems leaves me with my own questions, is it a modernization? or an interpretation? certainly not ironic tribute as in Geoff Ward's "Duino Elegies" so these Gitanjali I call "Mutilations and Addled Beauty" based on Tagore's statements in his _Selected Letters_ about Robert Bridges rewriting one of his poems. Flarf poets are very articulate about their projects & they may help by raising the needed questions about the meaning of poetry in general, and the values of appropriation, distances and distancing (temporal/social) from source to destination I think it depends on why you are using these texts and what you want your text to demonstrate my Tagore rationale is flowery & idiosyncratic: "his genius gives us a song that, once begun, cannot but find instruments in the world to continue it" & I don't feel compelled to publish my versions, I want simply to "take a share" in them or send them to Tagore fans by mail. Send yours to Coolidge. To cop from OPP may be a good way to fail beautifully. & free speech seems to be an infringement, too as I read about/see & am appalled by the behaviors of the police & corporate media at the RNC. best, dm On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Christophe Casamassima < christophecasamassima@graffiti.net> wrote: > Hey! > > I'm currently working on a project called "Ore" (the third part in a > trilogy of books - the first two called "the Proteus" and "Joys : A > Catalogue of Disappointments"). Now, Ore is peculiar in that it does not > contain any of my words or lines or poems - I'm simply reading all the books > I can get my hands on and (consciously) building a collage of texts. Some > are built of lines from one particular book (ROVA Improvisations, Coolidge, > for instance); some are patchworks from multiple books and journal and > on-line sources. Here's the example from ROVA: > > we breathe, the gap we breathe > you have to eye into these speeds > make a cue of silence thumbs > a bus or canoe, frog boots, lump in your station > of notion, the full time riddle > take back the once said to the one in need > > but what accumulates like silence (like silences) > where is my hand > the deignings to be patched out over a selection of tones / bones > > but seeing is always in tune > not exactly a belief in hearing > as the distance from there (hedgerows) to here (ovaltine) > saying what is written with is without a light > that no lights truly match > but that "just" is wrong > gets breath, breath of holds that fill with stuff > and in the interstitial oink (oak) the oleo (trace) > how fast, how slim in the palm? > that in some voice you will say it > > that no one solos > a blenter awe-quid sod > bent and sun-veined wheel > > put things in with pins in the semblance > gone as far as caps will take us (it) > > brands, at the back came back > sounds as like sounds > white side of a house, laugh > primes, motes > sureness of the bend > > What I'm asking here is... am I going to run into problems if I'm building > a complete book from other people's poems (OPP) and lines? I know this > sounds a bit risky but... if you have any advice for me, so as to avoid > infringement or nagging, please send me a message at cacasama@towson.edu > > Thanks! > > Christophe Casamassima > > > -- > Powered By Outblaze > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- www.myspace.com/inksaudible www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:17:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Hugh Margemont-Robinson Subject: Constellation for Digital Publishers - Aye r Nay? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Constellation from Perseus Books aims to give "digital power to independent publishers." http://www.perseusdigital.com/constellation/service.php NYTimes article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/books/04perseus.html Also, please boycott the Amazon Kindle until they enable reading personal .PDF files. I do not want to have to pick from their sad excuse for an inventory. -- HMR WAX RETINA W/ POLISH OF THE NOW ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:22:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: New on Invisible Notes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline *New on Invisible Notes* the last miraculous event - var II - Peter Ciccariello ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 04:52:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Poets for Palestine--an International Anthology of Poetry, Spoken Word, Hip-Hop & Art available MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Release, *Poets for Palestine,* 3 September 2008 Sixty years after the dispossession of the Palestinian people, *Poets For Palestine*, a unique collection of poetry, spoken word, hip-hop, and art has been released. Unifying a diverse range of poets who have used their words to elevate the consciousness of humanity, this book aims to bridge a younger generation of poets with those who, for decades, have cultivated and strengthened the poetic medium. The anthology includes poems by the late Mahmoud Darwish, Naomi Shihab Nye, Amiri Baraka, Suheir Hammad, Nathalie Handal, E. Ethelbert Miller, D.H. Melhem, Junichi P. Semitsu, Fawzia Afzal Khan, Annemarie Jacir, Ibtisam Barakat, Tahani Salah, Remi Kanazi, Ragtop from the Philistines, among many others. All of the proceeds of this volume will go towards funding future cultural endeavors in the US that highlight Arab artistry. The concept of this collection was conceived after a night of spoken word at the historic *Made in Palestine* art exhibit in New York, in 2006. Invigorated by the capacity of spoken word to enliven a crowd, Al Jisser, collaborating with the event's host, Remi Kanazi, decided to publish a brief chapbook to capture the night's vivacity. Venturing further into the project, Al Jisser chose to send out a call for poetry that reached a multitude of countries, receiving submissions from the Occupied Palestinian Territories, the broader Arab world, Europe, Australia and the United States. They chose not to limit the subject solely to the topic of Palestine, instead widening the scope to issues as varied as the ongoing occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan as well as poetry on Sudan and Lebanon. The aim is to convey that the basic appeal of justice is a fundamentally, irreducibly human appeal. At a time when conditions for Palestinians have become increasingly devastating, *Poets For Palestine* seeks to give humanity its proper voice and attempts to further demonstrate the role art takes in transmitting and projecting the enormous weight of compassion. Poets For Palestine *is available on www.PoetsForPalestine.com. The book will soon be featured in independent and progressive bookstores throughout the US as well as on Amazon.com.* ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:03:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: Save the Date --- Sunday, September 14th - Mad Hatters' Revue at Haven Arts Gallery! Comments: To: lit-events@yahoogroups.com, poetswearprada@yahoogroups.com, nycwriters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *Join Mad Hatters & Friends for another multi-media frenzy on SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH, 4 =96 8 pm Haven Arts Gallery, Bronx: ** http://www.havenarts.org* * * *9/11 & Aftermath: A Retrospective* * * * * *Mad Hatters' Review* will present another *Mad Hatters'Revue *showcasing poetry, fiction, whatnots= , music, art slideshows, videos, films, madness & mayhem. Designed by Aust= in Publicover & our host Amy Marie Bucciferro *Visual Artists*, include Dennis Delgado, Becky Holt, & Mario Romano* *MHR Musicians**:* Austin Publicover & Peter Knoll (on guitar, playing to samplings from the film Metropolis)* *Writers/Performers*: Canadian imports of poetic persuasion Carolyn Zonailo & Stephen Morrissey; Urayoan Noel, Carol Novack, Amir Parsa, Alan Sondheim & Yuriy Tarnawsky *Films/Video's* by Orin Buck, Alan Sondheim, et al.* * *$6 suggested** **donation SVP (to go to the Review and performers)* Wine, other potables, and light munchies will be provided free, courtesy of the Gallery. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:39:19 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Poetry Reading at KGB Tomorrow Night! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TOMORROW NIGHT! =A0 Poetry Reading/ Book Release/ Leukemia Fundraiser September 5th 7pm at KGB Bar (85 E. 4th St., New York, NY 10003) =A0 Readers will be: David Lehman Meghan Punschke Amy King Ana Bo=BEi=E8evi=E6 =A0 With Raffles for Baskets of Books/ Goodies, Book Sales, Special gifts for $= 20+ Donors, and a GRAND PRIZE WINNER!!! Free to get in - $5 Raffle tix - Drinks at the bar =A0 =A0 This Book Release Party for Meghan Punschke's new collection of poetry, Stratification, will double as a fundraising event for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society (LLS). Other readers that night will include, David Lehman, Amy King, and Ana Bo=BEi=E8evi=E6.There will be a raffle for prizes, which will include poetry books, anthologies and other poetry related items from several small presses including BlazeVOX Books, No Tell Books, Coconut Books, Goss 183, Ahsahta Press, Octopus Books, Black Ocean Books and Lame House. The Grand Prize winner will be awarded books from many of the above, plus the 30" x 40" acrylic on canvas painting that appears on the cover of Stratification. Prizes total in excess of $2000, and each raffle ticket will be sold for $5 with all of the proceeds going directly to LLS. Some of the evening's book sales to the charity, and there will be special prizes for those who donate more than $20. =A0 David Lehman is a poet, writer, and editor. His seven books of poetry include When a Woman Loves a Man (2005). In 1996 he began writing a poem a day as an experiment. The practice continued for five years, and two books resulted: The Daily Mirror (2000) and The Evening Sun (2002), both from Scribner. Lehman's prose books include The Perfect Murder and Signs of the Times. He is the series editor of The Best American Poetry, which he launched in 1988. He has also edited the latest edition of The Oxford Book of American Poetry (2006), The Best American Erotic Poems (2008), and Great American Prose Poems (2003), among other books. He heads the poetry division of the New School's graduate writing program, in which he has taught since the program's inception in 1996. =A0 Meghan Punschke is the author of Stratification (BlazeVOX Books, 2008). She resides in New York City, and has an MFA in Poetry from the New School. She is the curator and host of Word of Mouth, a reading series dedicated to poets and fiction writers. She is also the Managing Editor for the literary journal Oranges & Sardines. Her poetry was nominated for a Pushcart Prize in 2007. Please visit www.megpunschke.com for more info.=20 =A0 Amy King is the author of I'm the Man Who Loves You and Antidotes for an Alibi, both from Blazevox Books, and most recently, Kiss Me With the Mouth of Your Country (Dusie Press). She is the moderator for the Poetics List and the Women's Poetry Listserv, and teaches English and Creative Writing at Nassau Community College. She is currently editing an anthology, The Urban Poetic, forthcoming from Factory School.=A0 Please visit www.amyking.org for more.=20 =A0 Ana Bo=BEi=E8evi=E6 emigrated to NYC from Croatia in 1997. She's the author of chapbooks Document (Octopus Books, 2007) and Morning News (Kitchen Press, 2006). Look for her recent work in Denver Quarterly, Hotel Amerika, Bat City Review, absent, typo, fou and elsewhere. With Amy King, she is currently editing an anthology, The Urban Poetic (Factory School, forthcoming). Ana works at The Center for the Humanities at the Graduate Center, CUNY.=20 =A0 =A0 Pass it along! --=20 Best Regards,=20 Meghan Punschke WoM Curator --- The WoM Curator will be running in the Nike Women's Marathon on Oct.19th as a team member of the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. Support her efforts today by visiting: http://pages.teamintraining.org/nyc/nikesf08/mpunschke _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:48:30 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Poetry Reading at KGB Tomorrow Night! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TOMORROW NIGHT! =A0 Poetry Reading/ Book Release/ Leukemia Fundraiser September 5th 7pm at KGB Bar (85 E. 4th St., New York, NY 10003) =A0 Readers will be: David Lehman Meghan Punschke Amy King Ana Bo=BEi=E8evi=E6 =A0 With Raffles for Baskets of Books/ Goodies, Book Sales, Special gifts for $20+ Donors, and a GRAND PRIZE WINNER!!! Free to get in - $5 Raffle tix - Drinks at the bar =A0 =A0 This Book Release Party for Meghan Punschke's new collection of poetry, Stratification, will double as a fundraising event for the Leuke= mia & Lymphoma Society (LLS). Other readers that night will include, David Lehman, Amy King, and Ana Bo=BEi=E8evi=E6.There will be a raffle for prizes= , which will include poetry books, anthologies and other poetry related items from several small presses including BlazeVOX Books, No Tell Books, Coconut Book= s, Goss 183, Ahsahta Press, Octopus Books, Black Ocean Books and Lame House. T= he Grand Prize winner will be awarded books from many of the above, plus the 3= 0" x 40" acrylic on canvas painting that appears on the cover of Stratification. Prizes total in excess of $2000, and each raffle ticket wil= l be sold for $5 with all of the proceeds going directly to LLS. Some of the evening's book sales to the charity, and there will be special prizes for t= hose who donate more than $20. =A0 David Lehman is a poet, writer, and editor. His seven books of poetry include When a Woman Loves a Man (2005). In 1996 he began writing= a poem a day as an experiment. The practice continued for five years, and two books resulted: The Daily Mirror (2000) and The Evening Sun (2002), both fr= om Scribner. Lehman's prose books include The Perfect Murder and Signs of the Times. He is the series editor of The Best American Poetry, which he launch= ed in 1988. He has also edited the latest edition of The Oxford Book of Americ= an Poetry (2006), The Best American Erotic Poems (2008), and Great American Pr= ose Poems (2003), among other books. He heads the poetry division of the New School's graduate writing program, in which he has taught since the program= 's inception in 1996. =A0 Meghan Punschke is the author of Stratification (BlazeVOX Books, 2008). She resides in New York City, and has an MFA in Poetry from t= he New School. She is the curator and host of Word of Mouth, a reading series dedicated to poets and fiction writers. She is also the Managing Editor for= the literary journal Oranges & Sardines. Her poetry was nominated for a Pushcart Prize in 2007. Please visit www.megpunschke.com for more info. =A0 Amy King is the author of I'm the Man Who Loves You and Antidotes for an Alibi, both from Blazevox Books, and most recently, Kiss M= e With the Mouth of Your Country (Dusie Press). She is the moderator for the Poetics List and the Women's Poetry Listserv, and teaches English and Creat= ive Writing at Nassau Community College. She is currently editing an anthology,= The Urban Poetic, forthcoming from Factory School.=A0 Please visit www.amyking.org for more. =A0 Ana Bo=BEi=E8evi=E6 emigrated to NYC from Croatia in 1997. She's the author of chapbooks Document (Octopus Books, 2007) and Morning News (Ki= tchen Press, 2006). Look for her recent work in Denver Quarterly, Hotel Amerika, = Bat City Review, absent, typo, fou and elsewhere. With Amy King, she is current= ly editing an anthology, The Urban Poetic (Factory School, forthcoming). Ana w= orks at The Center for the Humanities at the Graduate Center, CUNY. =A0 =A0 Pass it along! =A0 --=20 Best Regards, Meghan Punschke WoM Curator =A0 --- The WoM Curator will be running in the Nike Women's Marathon on Oct.19th as a team member of the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. Support = her efforts today by visiting: =A0 http://pages.teamintraining. org/nyc/nikesf08/mpunschke _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:04:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Therese Broderick Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As someone who has checked with a lawyer about some aspects of my own poetr= y, I heartily agree with Barry Schwabsky that Christophe should consult wit= h a lawyer, not rely on non-professional advice. Furthermore, I think he sh= ould consult with not just any lawyer, but with a lawyer specializing in ei= ther intellectual property or arts/entertainment. I think such a lawyer co= uld tell Christophe about the evolving legal opinions regarding "appropriat= ive" art.=0A=0AAs a poet who writes poems inspired by works of art from aro= und the world, I checked with a lawyer to be sure that I wasn't infringing = on the rights of the artists. I want to be respectful with my poetry, not i= nvasive.=0A=0AAnd as a blogger, I checked with a lawyer to be sure that I w= asn't blogging inappropriately. =0A=0AIf Christophe would like me to give h= im the name, email, etc. of such a specialized lawyer, he can contact me of= f-list, as I don't want to be formally recommending any particular attorney= to the entire list.=0A=0A(As an aside, I would truly be grateful to hear t= he opinions of you listserv members about the entertainment laws which, str= ictly interpreted, deem any reading aloud of another poet's work to be a "p= erformance" and therefore to require formal permission-to-perform from the = original poet.)=0A=0ATherese L. Broderick, MFA=0Afreelance poet=0AAlbany, N= Y=0A518-482-2639=0Apoetryaboutart.wordpress.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Orig= inal Message ----=0AFrom: Barry Schwabsky =0AT= o: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:39:13= AM=0ASubject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage?=0A=0AOne thi= ng's for sure, if you are worried, don't ask anyone's advice but a lawyer's= . =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Christophe Casamassima =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASen= t: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008 8:06:19 PM=0ASubject: URGENT - Copyright In= fringement or Collage?=0A=0AHey!=0A=0AI'm currently working on a project ca= lled "Ore" (the third part in a trilogy of books - the first two called "th= e Proteus" and "Joys : A Catalogue of Disappointments"). Now, Ore is peculi= ar in that it does not contain any of my words or lines or poems - I'm simp= ly reading all the books I can get my hands on and (consciously) building a= collage of texts. Some are built of lines from one particular book (ROVA I= mprovisations, Coolidge, for instance); some are patchworks from multiple b= ooks and journal and on-line sources. Here's the example from ROVA:=0A=0Awe= breathe, the gap we breathe=0Ayou have to eye into these speeds=0Amake a c= ue of silence thumbs=0Aa bus or canoe, frog boots, lump in your station=0Ao= f notion, the full time riddle=0Atake back the once said to the one in need= =0A=0Abut what accumulates like silence (like silences)=0Awhere is my hand= =0Athe deignings to be patched out over a selection of tones / bones=0A=0Ab= ut seeing is always in tune=0Anot exactly a belief in hearing=0Aas the dist= ance from there (hedgerows) to here (ovaltine)=0Asaying what is written wit= h is without a light=0Athat no lights truly match=0Abut that =E2=80=9Cjust= =E2=80=9D is wrong=0Agets breath, breath of holds that fill with stuff=0Aan= d in the interstitial oink (oak) the oleo (trace)=0Ahow fast, how slim in t= he palm?=0Athat in some voice you will say it=0A=0Athat no one solos=0Aa bl= enter awe-quid sod=0Abent and sun-veined wheel=0A=0Aput things in with pins= in the semblance=0Agone as far as caps will take us (it)=0A=0Abrands, at t= he back came back=0Asounds as like sounds=0Awhite side of a house, laugh=0A= primes, motes=0Asureness of the bend=0A=0AWhat I'm asking here is... am I g= oing to run into problems if I'm building a complete book from other people= 's poems (OPP) and lines? I know this sounds a bit risky but... if you have= any advice for me, so as to avoid infringement or nagging, please send me = a message at cacasama@towson.edu=0A=0AThanks!=0A=0AChristophe Casamassima= =0A=0A=0A-- =0APowered By Outblaze=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe= Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & = sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=0A=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all= posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/w= elcome.html=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:57:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Xerolage 39 - John Rininger Comments: To: Theory and Writing , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - X E R O L A G E 3 9 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - John Rininger from the introduction by Stephen Perkins "John Rininger, mail & stamp artist, magazine publisher, and networker died unexpectedly at 45 from a seizure in his apartment in Chicago on November 11th, 2006. The works in this posthumous issue of Xerolage have been taken from a number of different sources, and they can only offer a faint trace of his work, his concerns, and the many passions that animated his idiosyncratic personality. I can't say I ever understood John, he was a complex man, and yet one sensed a sharp intelligence, an intense curiosity about the world, and I responded to that, and I'm richer for knowing him." more at (including free pdf download): http://xexoxial.org/is/xerolage39/by/john_rininger This special issue includes a sheet of artist stamps by John Rinninger 24 pages, 8.5 x 11, $6 includes postage Subscriptions: 4 issues/$20 XEXOXIAL EDITIONS 10375 Cty Hway Alphabet La Farge WI 54639 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:52:13 -0700 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Baratier Subject: Reading in Fort Wayne, IN // David Baratier and Curtis Crisler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends of the First Friday Series, I hope you had a good summer and a= re enjoying this warm (perhaps too dry?) weather. Our September First Frid= ay is a week from this Friday: September 5th. Fortunately, this will not c= onflict with the Holiday weekend. Our location, as you know, is the cafe of= the Three Rivers Food Co-op (1612 Sherman). As always, the readings are f= ree and open to the public. We will start at 7:30 p.m. Our readers will be= two wonderful poets, David Baratier and Curtis Crisler. I have included br= ief biographical notes for each at the bottom of this note. Hope to see y= ou on Friday, September 5th. (bios follow) all best wishes, George Kalamara= s *David Baratier=E2=80=99s poems have appeared in many literary journals and= in anthologies published by the presses of University of Iowa , Carnegie M= ellon University , University of California , and others. His poetry colle= ctions include: A Run of Letters, The Fall Of Because, and three different = collections of Estrella=E2=80=99s Prophecies, and his creative nonfiction e= pistolary novel, In It What=E2=80=99s in It, appeared from Spuyten Duyvil. = He is editor of Pavement Saw Press, a large small-press poetry-only publis= her. Curtis L. Crisler is an Assistant Professor of English at Indiana Universit= y Purdue University Fort Wayne, where he teaches creative writing and profe= ssional writing. His book Tough Boy Sonatas was published in 2007. He has= forthcoming work in The Drunken Boat, THE NINTH LETTER, African American R= eview, and Elixir, and is a Cave Canem Fellow. =20 Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=3Dsubscribe&id=3D1=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:43:00 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geraldine Monk Subject: Language barrier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Other than a dog with lipstick (not my description) what exactly is a 'hockey mom'? As if she's not scary enough without belting out this refrain as though it's encoded slang for psycho- killer. Is this what's she's trying to say? Am I close? Are there more of these lippy 'hockey moms' on the loose trying to take over the world? fretfully yours, Geraldine ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:58:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: LA: event at library MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline los angeles, ca wednesday*september10* *Slavoj Zizek* is in conversation at Central Library, 630 W 5th St, btw S Flower St and S Grand Ave, 7pm, Reservation required . __,_._,___ -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:32:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project September In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, Summer will not end and our poetry season will not officially begin until the September Equinox (the 22nd). On that day the centre of the Sun will appear to be directly above the Earth=E2=80=99s equator and Marcella Durand and Toma=C5=BE =C5=A0alamun will appear in the parish hall. Until then, consider signin= g up for one of our workshops described below. Also, scroll down for information from our Howl Festival friends. =20 The Creative Dialog: Poems Cast between Conversations of Poetry =E2=80=93 Martine Bellen TUESDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 7th =20 "There is then creative reading as well as creative writing,=E2=80=9D wrote Emers= on; and between the two, where reading and writing converge, exists spontaneous combustion. In our writing laboratory, workshop participants will experimen= t in this potent, limnal gap. Through concentrated readings of one author of their choosing, participants will write a series of poems (poetry defined i= n the most expansive manner) that converse, confront, conform, channel, chant= , and concuss the poet and poetry of choice. Poems written in this workshop will employ extensive methodologies that will originate from a brainstormin= g session intended to cultivate startling structures and processes. Martine Bellen is the author of Tales of Murasaki and Other Poems (Sun & Moon Press= ) and The Vulnerability of Order (Copper Canyon Press) among other collections. =20 Writing Chance: A Random Workshop on Process =E2=80=93 Tisa Bryant FRIDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 10th If we are, writer Amina Cain suggests, mysterious seducers of experience, mapping our knowing of people and places into a rhizome of dark knots and clear threads, how do we allow for such human magic as we write through structures, constraints, intentions, politics and deadlines? How can we know the difference between force and feeling, or simply when to let the work go? In this workshop, we=E2=80=99ll weigh our needs and intentions against = the power of chance, to better observe and embrace our creative process. We=E2=80=99= ll work and share inclusive of and across genres, graze the works of Hannah Weiner, Samuel Beckett, Russell Atkins, Maya Deren, Jackson Pollock, Kirthi Nath, the Situationists, Fred Wilson, Miranda Mellis, and whomever you may bring. Consider coincidence as social encounter, with the desire to know a= s a means of triggering, from person and page, synchronic new modes of rigor and flow. Tisa Bryant is the author of Unexplained Presence, from Leon Works, and a founding editor-publisher of The Encyclopedia Project. =20 (Soma)tic Poetry =E2=80=93 caconrad SaturDAYS AT noon: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN october 11th In this frantic, routine-driven world we need freedom from regimented poetr= y writing, and a healthy dose of walking the space between Soma (spirit) and Somatic (body). Using gemstones, trees, and the city itself, we will creat= e deliberate, sustained physical manipulations to generate language to write our poems. Every thing is new every time we embark, and opening our minds to having that freedom in our lives everyday to write poems is what these workshops are about. Poetry is for everyBody, therefore everyBody is welcome! CAConrad's book (Soma)tic Midge (FAUX Press) was written after eating and living with a single color for a day. Poem samples, as well as a link to his monthly (Soma)tic Poetry Exercises can be found here: www.CAConrad.blogspot.com . MAKE NEW MISTAKES: A WRITING WORKSHOP FOR TEENS =E2=80=93 Chris Martin THURSDAYS 4:30-6PM: 5 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 23rd =20 While losing may be an art that=E2=80=99s easily mastered, mistaking requires som= e experimental spirit. In this workshop, instead of just making it new, we will explore the art of making new mistakes through reading, seeing, hearing, rapping, and most of all writing. Along the way we will encounter the Ecstatic Truth of Werner Herzog, How to Be Perfect by Ron Padgett, the chromo-poems of CA Conrad, Gertrude Stein=E2=80=99s Tender Buttons, dispatches fr= om the Spasmodic School, the MCs of Avant-Rap, and much else. Best of all, we will make many new mistakes together, through in-class collaborations, critiques, and performances. Young writers of any style, persuasion, interest, ability, and borough are all equally welcome. Let=E2=80=99s stop pretending to be perfect and start writing poems that are alive and writhing. Chris Martin is the author of American Music and has taught young New Yorkers for the past six years. Open to high school teens. FREE. The workshop fee is $350, which includes a one year Sustaining Poetry Project membership and tuition for any and all spring and fall classes. Reservations are required due to limited class space, and payment must be received in advance. Caps on class sizes, if in effect, will be determined by workshop leaders. Please send payment and reservations to: The Poetry Project, St. Mark's Church Attn: Workshops 131 East 10th St. NYC, NY 10003 For more information, or to pay by credit card, please call (212) 674-0910, or email: info@poetryproject.com. All workshops will be held in the Parish Hall at St. Mark's Church on the corner of 10th St. and 2nd Ave. Allen Ginsberg Poetry Festival: Opening Event of HOWL 2008 Friday September 5th, Tompkins Square Howl Bandshell, in Park by 7th Street Poets from all over the world -- well, when the world is the Lower East Side, and isn=C2=B4t it? -- will kick off the 08 HOWL Fest the only way possibl= e: new poems from all kinds of poets, live and lively, rocking, pastorale, The LANGUAGE OF THE FUTURE. Representing the Bowery Poetry Club, Gathering of the Tribes, Nuyorican Poets Cafe and St Mark=C2=B4s Poetry Project, the poets appear with the support of the Howl Festival Committee and the Allen Ginsberg Trust. Appearing will be: Bowery bartenders Shappy and Moonshine, Collapisble Poetics Theater Director Rodrigo Toscano, the Ultimate Street Poet - POEZ, Montreal=C2=B4s poetry rock duo D. Kimm and Alexisa O=C2=B4Hare, the Nuyorican All-Stars: Jamaal St. John, Rico Steal, Akua Doku and Adam Faulkner, rock port Todd Colby, CocoRosie=C2=B4s MC Celena Glenn, CUNY Doctoral Candidates Eri= ca Kaufman and Simone White, the winners of the Microsoft Small Business Competition The Mayhem Poets, recluse Jade Sharma, erotic poet Tsaurah Litzky, winner of the Columbia University Van Renssalear Poetry Prize, Marguerite Van Cook, rock and roll poet Billy Lamonte, and the recently named Poet laureate of the Lower East Side, John Farris. Bob Holman will direct a group version of Ginsberg's HOWL to conclude the event. Totally FREE. Poetry Turn On! Monday Sept 8th, 2008 8pm to 10pm At St. Mark=E2=80=99s Church in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street New York, NY 10003 Main Sanctuary =20 An evening of poetry readings by poets: Miguel Algarin, Mahogany Browne, Regie Cabico, Steve Cannon, Michael Cirelli, Brenda Coultas, Sam Diaz, John Farris, Merry Fortune, Celena Glenn, Lois Griffith, Bill Kushner, Jill Magi= , Filip Marinovich, Chris Martin, Amy Ouzoonian, Eve Packer, Kristin Prevallet, Shappy, Moonshine Shorey, Rachel M. Simon, Tracy K. Smith, Stacy Szymaszek, Clare Ultimo. =20 This incredible group of poets come together to present their work and represent five of the numerous poetry organizations and venues that serve New York City and the World poetry throughout the year: The Bowery Poetry Club, A Gathering Of The Tribes, Nuyorican Poets Caf=C3=A9, The Poetry Project and Poets House. =20 A reception in the Parish Hall will follow the reading, and serve as an opportunity to meet the poets, purchase books, become a member, and celebrate this year=E2=80=99s HOWL ! Festival. =20 This reading is FREE and Open to the Public. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=E2=80=99d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a li= ne at info@poetryproject.com. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:06:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: request to all formalists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a palinode? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Study the fine art of coming apart." --Jerry W. Ward, Jr. Sailing the blogosphere at: http://heatstrings.blogspot.com/ Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:12:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And Eliot ain't no Austen either. I seem to recollect that the first part o= f Middlemarch=C2=A0is a sort of heavy pastiche of Austen; it takes a while= =C2=A0before suddenly changing mode and becoming what it really turns out t= o be.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Geraldine Monk =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Monday, 1 Se= ptember, 2008 1:14:09 AM=0ASubject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive= the world=0A=0AMurat,=0AI think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impac= t on the reader is =0Astrongly related to the reader's circumstance at the = time, especially age. =0AI was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scar= let Letter so I had a lot =0Aof reading under my belt by then and they just= didn't measure up.=C2=A0 I'm not =0Aeven sure if I could slog through Wuth= ering Heights now - but when I was a =0Ateenager (and the Bronte's lived ab= out 20 miles away from where I was born =0Aand brought up so I knew the lan= dscape and language ) it was magnetic.=0A=0AJane Austen?=C2=A0 Oh I'm so so= rry Murat I didn't include her simply because =0Ashe's a bit on the cusp an= d not really what we think of as 19th Century (not =0Athat she's what you'd= call 18th Century either - I think that's part of the =0Afascination - the= world in transition=C2=A0 - she's very modern and yet curiously =0Aold fas= hioned).=C2=A0 She's also very wicked!=C2=A0 I nearly bust a gut reading = =0ANorthanger Abbey.=C2=A0 But she's no Eliot that's for sure.=0A=0AGeraldi= ne=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" =0ATo: =0ASent: Sunday, August 3= 1, 2008 7:35 PM=0ASubject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the worl= d=0A=0A=0A> Geraldine,=0A>=0A> I asked the question because Hardy's The May= or of Casterbridge left a a =0A> very=0A> strong impression on me when I fi= rst read it forty years ago in Turkey (in=0A> English). The Scarlet Letter = also which I read about the same time. It =0A> blew=0A> my mind.=0A>=0A> An= interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert College, =0A> = the=0A> American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by missionari= es who=0A> came from Massachusetts. The poet, critic and publisher Ed Foste= r is =0A> writing=0A> a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and i= ts surrounding areas =0A> up=0A> to Iran) and a group of New England missio= naries.=0A>=0A> Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating ex= perience for =0A> me,=0A> but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So n= othing was wasted.=0A>=0A> I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch, which i= nterestingly I also =0A> thought=0A> is the best 19th century English novel= .. I also love Henry James, who was a=0A> feminist, an American novelist and= a great admirer of Hawthorne. My guess =0A> is=0A> The House of Seven Gabl= es is his favorite Hawthorne novel, the first few=0A> pages of which antici= pate I think James's later style.=0A>=0A> I am so happy Jane Austen is not = in your list.=0A>=0A> Ciao,=0A>=0A> Murat=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> On Sat, Aug 30, 2= 008 at 6:54 PM, Geraldine Monk =0A> wrote:=0A>=0A= >> Murat,=0A>> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters, I love W= uthering=0A>> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but t= hey all love=0A>> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!)=C2=A0 George Eliot= (one of the greatest=0A>> prose stylists within the conventional narrative= format), Henry James,=0A>> Melville, Edith Wharton.=C2=A0 The two I mentio= ned as not liking stick in my =0A>> mind=0A>> because if you labour through= a novel and you end up not liking it that's =0A>> a=0A>> lot of time spent= not liking something so you tend to be harsher than you=0A>> would if you = spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> Murat wrote:=0A>>= =0A>> Geraldine,=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> Do you like any 19th century novel, at leas= t written in the English=0A>> language?=0A>>=0A>> Ciao,=0A>>=0A>> Murat=0A>= >=0A>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A>> The Poetics List is moderated & d= oes not accept all posts. Check =0A>> guidelines=0A>> & sub/unsub info: htt= p://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>>=0A>=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check= =0A> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.h= tml=0A> =0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is moderated = & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.= buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:52:28 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Ellis Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: <806232.19594.qm@web50610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good god=2C since when do lawyers take precedence over poets? =20 Why would anyone relegate their creative potential - even when involving ap= propriation - to a staus secondary to some more "legal" one that revolves a= round curtailment of ANY kind of "use"? =20 Admittedly=2C poets=2C once regarded as "scribes"=2C were those whose writ = derived its authority from royalty=2C which itself had a deep connection wi= th an attending priesthood. =20 This is what Plato brought forward by dismissing oral poetries from univers= ity curriculum: it was too easy for the verbal virtuosi to "make things up.= " So that creative work became rather like Philosophy (and/or Science) whi= ch had a thoroughtly empirical base. =20 So. The question remains=2C do we really=2C as creative persons=2C want to= be told what our legal "share" of the works of others most actually is=2C = keeping in mind=2C too=2C the lengthy tradition of the transmission of know= ledge (oral and written=2C both)=2C that "happiness is saying what others h= ave said"? =20 Ie.=2C who ARE these people=2C what have they said=2C and in what way(s) mi= ght we take place within the overall perception of Other=2C in similitude= =2C and (l)imitation? =20 "Individual" work might involve the same kind of delusion that Individualis= m itself seems to have=2C that Everything is somehow "waiting for YOU." Yo= u? Me? Are these the persons we're supposed to have respect for? Appropr= iation=2C most probably=2C is the only KIND of respect. The Village Idiot = - the one who invariably knows - is that one who endlessly repeats everythi= ng that everyone ELSE is saying. =20 Thank god. Who was it said=2C you want to be an Individual? Learn how to = write your name. I agree. Everything beyond that is an Open Tulip. SE =20 =20 > Date: Thu=2C 4 Sep 2008 10:04:27 -0700> From: theresebroderick@YAHOO.COM>= Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage?> To: POETICS@LIST= SERV.BUFFALO.EDU> > As someone who has checked with a lawyer about some asp= ects of my own poetry=2C I heartily agree with Barry Schwabsky that Christo= phe should consult with a lawyer=2C not rely on non-professional advice. Fu= rthermore=2C I think he should consult with not just any lawyer=2C but with= a lawyer specializing in either intellectual property or arts/entertainmen= t. I think such a lawyer could tell Christophe about the evolving legal opi= nions regarding "appropriative" art.> > As a poet who writes poems inspired= by works of art from around the world=2C I checked with a lawyer to be sur= e that I wasn't infringing on the rights of the artists. I want to be respe= ctful with my poetry=2C not invasive.> > And as a blogger=2C I checked with= a lawyer to be sure that I wasn't blogging inappropriately. > > If Christo= phe would like me to give him the name=2C email=2C etc. of such a specializ= ed lawyer=2C he can contact me off-list=2C as I don't want to be formally r= ecommending any particular attorney to the entire list.> > (As an aside=2C = I would truly be grateful to hear the opinions of you listserv members abou= t the entertainment laws which=2C strictly interpreted=2C deem any reading = aloud of another poet's work to be a "performance" and therefore to require= formal permission-to-perform from the original poet.)> > Therese L. Broder= ick=2C MFA> freelance poet> Albany=2C NY> 518-482-2639> poetryaboutart.word= press.com> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Barry Schwabsky > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> Sent: Thursda= y=2C September 4=2C 2008 1:39:13 AM> Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infrin= gement or Collage?> > One thing's for sure=2C if you are worried=2C don't a= sk anyone's advice but a lawyer's. > > > > ----- Original Message ----> Fro= m: Christophe Casamassima > To: POETICS= @LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> Sent: Wednesday=2C 3 September=2C 2008 8:06:19 PM> S= ubject: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage?> > Hey!> > I'm currentl= y working on a project called "Ore" (the third part in a trilogy of books -= the first two called "the Proteus" and "Joys : A Catalogue of Disappointme= nts"). Now=2C Ore is peculiar in that it does not contain any of my words o= r lines or poems - I'm simply reading all the books I can get my hands on a= nd (consciously) building a collage of texts. Some are built of lines from = one particular book (ROVA Improvisations=2C Coolidge=2C for instance)=3B so= me are patchworks from multiple books and journal and on-line sources. Here= 's the example from ROVA:> > we breathe=2C the gap we breathe> you have to = eye into these speeds> make a cue of silence thumbs> a bus or canoe=2C frog= boots=2C lump in your station> of notion=2C the full time riddle> take bac= k the once said to the one in need> > but what accumulates like silence (li= ke silences)> where is my hand> the deignings to be patched out over a sele= ction of tones / bones> > but seeing is always in tune> not exactly a belie= f in hearing> as the distance from there (hedgerows) to here (ovaltine)> sa= ying what is written with is without a light> that no lights truly match> b= ut that =93just=94 is wrong> gets breath=2C breath of holds that fill with = stuff> and in the interstitial oink (oak) the oleo (trace)> how fast=2C how= slim in the palm?> that in some voice you will say it> > that no one solos= > a blenter awe-quid sod> bent and sun-veined wheel> > put things in with p= ins in the semblance> gone as far as caps will take us (it)> > brands=2C at= the back came back> sounds as like sounds> white side of a house=2C laugh>= primes=2C motes> sureness of the bend> > What I'm asking here is... am I g= oing to run into problems if I'm building a complete book from other people= 's poems (OPP) and lines? I know this sounds a bit risky but... if you have= any advice for me=2C so as to avoid infringement or nagging=2C please send= me a message at cacasama@towson.edu> > Thanks!> > Christophe Casamassima> = > > -- > Powered By Outblaze> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> The Poetics L= ist is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub = info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check= guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html> = > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> The Poetics List is moderated & does not= accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:20:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Bill Berkson Subject: Berkson at SVA October 9 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Bill Berkson =B3Some Divine Conversation: Art, Poetry & the Death of the Addressee=B2 Art in the First Person Lectures School of the Visual Arts Thursday, October 9, 7 pm 3rd floor amphitheater 209 East 23rd Street New York, NY An Iraqi poet interviewed recently on NPR said that for him and his contemporaries the purpose of writing poetry is =B3to keep the language from going insane.=B2 What now might sanity look or sound like =8B in poems, in visual art, in other forms of social conduct? What does it mean to be a =B3professional=B2 in this respect? Who=B9s reading, looking, and who really cares? This talk will range among such matters and more, with, hopefully, much room for actual conversation, present company included. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:49:28 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Small Press Traffic presents Geyser! a new play by Kevin Killian & Wayne Smith 9/12/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ***************************************************************** Small Press Traffic is proud to kick off its Fall 2008 season in grand styl= e with the production of: Geyser! a new play by Kevin Killian and Wayne Smith Friday, September 12th, 7:30 p.m. Timken Lecture Hall Please arrive early; all seats $10 as a benefit for Small Press Traffic Please join us for refreshments prior to the event Kevin Killian's plays are annual favorites here at SPT-- Geyser! is an experience you won't want to miss! Geyser, Oregon, a charming woodlands town, was once the setting for a television series that attempted to combine elements of family drama and science education. The show was in its second season in 1978 when a tragedy on set caused it to shut down midseason, and now that it's been released on DVD, Geyser! has found a new mass audience to match the tiny cult audience it's known since its untimely cancellation=97and they're all flocking to Oregon this summer, as the brave little town welcomes back members of the original cast to entertain the worldwide fan club at a Geyser festival. But the town has secrets of its own! Mayor Constance Strode, struggling with her own family drama, tries to pump up tourism while fending off the attentions of Bobo, leader of a radical clown collective on the outskirts of town. Screen actor Dennis Quaid, who first sprang to national attention as the young hero of Geyser! returns to the scene of the crime with the bewildering knowledge that all of his recent co-stars, from Reese Witherspoon to Ellen Barkin, have all been swept out to sea. Rival TV talk show hosts Rick Penny and Kitty Potter wring every scrap of drama and nostalgia to the airwaves, while Marjorie Cantrell, the first lady of the American theater and the nominal star of the lamented TV show, Geyser!, emerges from a 30 year retirement in grand Sunset Boulevard fashion with her loyal butler, Crimmins. As excited fans gather from round the world, the waters coursing through the deep underground caverns beneath them gurgle, groan and spew. It's all in a town--and a show--called Geyser! Wayne Smith is a visual and sound artist who lives and works in San Francisco. Working in a variety of media including drawing, installation and video, his work has been shown locally and nationally. He collaborated with Berlin-based artist D-L Alvarez on a sound and video installation loosely based on Joan Didion's The White Album that took place at the Derek Eller Gallery, NY in April 2007. Recording as Aero Mic'd, he has released four CDS, the latest being "I Think You're Great," In August 2008, joined by Cliff Hengst and Scott Hewicker, Aero Mic'd will perform at the Schindler House in Los Angeles as part of the "sound." series, which is organized by SASSAS (The Society for the Activation of Social Space through Art and Sound). Kevin Killian is a poet, novelist, critic and playwright whose recent work includes "Kiki: The Proof Is in the Pudding," a retrospective exhibition at Ratio 3, a book of reviews Selected Amazon Reviews (2006), a collection of poetry, Argento Series (2001), two novels, Shy (1989) and Arctic Summer (1997), a book of memoirs, Bedrooms Have Windows (1989), and two books of stories, Little Men (1996) and I Cry Like a Baby (2001). He has also edited a collection of short stories by the late Sam D'Allesandro, The Wild Creatures (2005). For the San Francisco Poets Theater Killian has written over thirty plays, including Stone Marmalade (1996, with Leslie Scalapino) and Often (2001, with Barbara Guest). Geyser! is sure to be an evening to remember! Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to current SPT members and CCA faculty, staff, and students. There's no better time to join SPT! Check out: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/supporters.htm Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of the Arts 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin). Directions & map: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/directions.htm We'll see you Fridays! _______________________________ Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org www.smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:20:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: James Sanders Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Therese: Speaking very generally (and in no way providing legal advice), one of th= e exclusive rights given to an author as part of copyright is the right to perform her copyrighted work "publicly". So the short answer to your question is: no, simply reading aloud is not infringement. Now if you are= proposing a hypothetical where you are reading aloud to an audience somewhere outside your home, then you are likely publicly performing the work (just as you would if you were to take up your violin or piano and p= lay a Steve Reich composition, or stage a Richard Foreman play, or show Star Wars). I believe there is a limited exception for public performance in a= n education environment.=20 All that said, I think that in most cases you would be hard pressed to fi= nd (a) a poet who wasn't overjoyed that someone else was "covering" her poem= , (b) an attorney or government agent willing to waste her time prosecuting= the relatively trivial infringement (I'm assuming that your reading aloud= of someone else's work hasn't made you a millionaire (if it has, please send= details)). Hope that helps somewhat, James Sanders =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:38:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marc Nasdor Subject: Re: Language barrier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hockey moms (or dads) are like their soccer or Little League equivalents: sociopathic parents who will attack coaches, other parents, and even their kids' teammates (or members of the opposing team) when they feel their child has been called on a foul, or any perception they have been treated unfairly. Symptoms are similar to road rage. When I lived on Staten Island, a number of parents were arrested following assaults, and even some seriously injurious behavior. Marc ---------------------------- Marc Nasdor 127 Thames Street, #3L Brooklyn, NY 11237 Telephone: (646) 408-4962 - cell Email: poodlecannon@yahoo.com http://www.myspace.com/poodlecannon ---------------------------- ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:39:34 +0900 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Philip Rowland Subject: Re: Language barrier In-Reply-To: <004b01c90edf$c369b370$8706edc1@user4a6p3c2av0> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hello Geraldine I had to ask an American friend the same question. He replied that a friend of his had commented that 'all you need to be a "hockey mom" is a mini-van. Or any vehicle.' I'm still fretting, though. Philip On Sep 5, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Geraldine Monk wrote: > Other than a dog with lipstick (not my description) what exactly is > a 'hockey mom'? As if she's not scary enough without belting out > this refrain as though it's encoded slang for psycho- killer. Is > this what's she's trying to say? Am I close? Are there more of > these lippy 'hockey moms' on the loose trying to take over the world? > > fretfully yours, > > Geraldine > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:53:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: cris cheek Subject: Re: Language barrier In-Reply-To: <004b01c90edf$c369b370$8706edc1@user4a6p3c2av0> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Geraldine i think it's the wag that glosses the dog and pucks the tale onto the donkey kong but then i'm palin' in comparison cris On Sep 4, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Geraldine Monk wrote: > Other than a dog with lipstick (not my description) what exactly is a > 'hockey mom'? As if she's not scary enough without belting out > this refrain > as though it's encoded slang for psycho- killer. Is this what's she's > trying to say? Am I close? Are there more of these lippy 'hockey > moms' on > the loose trying to take over the world? > > fretfully yours, > > Geraldine > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:03:07 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: Events at The Poetry Project September MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit what time is the event tonite in the parl On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:32:26 -0400 Poetry Project writes: > Hi Everyone, > > Summer will not end and our poetry season will not officially begin > until > the September Equinox (the 22nd). On that day the centre of the Sun > will > appear to be directly above the Earth’s equator and Marcella > Durand and > Tomaž Šalamun will appear in the parish hall. Until then, consider > signing > up for one of our workshops described below. Also, scroll down for > information from our Howl Festival friends. > > > > The Creative Dialog: Poems Cast between Conversations of Poetry – > Martine > Bellen > TUESDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 7th > > "There is then creative reading as well as creative writing,” > wrote Emerson; > and between the two, where reading and writing converge, exists > spontaneous > combustion. In our writing laboratory, workshop participants will > experiment > in this potent, limnal gap. Through concentrated readings of one > author of > their choosing, participants will write a series of poems (poetry > defined in > the most expansive manner) that converse, confront, conform, > channel, chant, > and concuss the poet and poetry of choice. Poems written in this > workshop > will employ extensive methodologies that will originate from a > brainstorming > session intended to cultivate startling structures and processes. > Martine > Bellen is the author of Tales of Murasaki and Other Poems (Sun & > Moon Press) > and The Vulnerability of Order (Copper Canyon Press) among other > collections. > > > Writing Chance: A Random Workshop on Process – Tisa Bryant > FRIDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 10th > > If we are, writer Amina Cain suggests, mysterious seducers of > experience, > mapping our knowing of people and places into a rhizome of dark > knots and > clear threads, how do we allow for such human magic as we write > through > structures, constraints, intentions, politics and deadlines? How can > we > know the difference between force and feeling, or simply when to let > the > work go? In this workshop, we’ll weigh our needs and intentions > against the > power of chance, to better observe and embrace our creative process. > We’ll > work and share inclusive of and across genres, graze the works of > Hannah > Weiner, Samuel Beckett, Russell Atkins, Maya Deren, Jackson Pollock, > Kirthi > Nath, the Situationists, Fred Wilson, Miranda Mellis, and whomever > you may > bring. Consider coincidence as social encounter, with the desire to > know as > a means of triggering, from person and page, synchronic new modes of > rigor > and flow. Tisa Bryant is the author of Unexplained Presence, from > Leon > Works, and a founding editor-publisher of The Encyclopedia Project. > > > (Soma)tic Poetry – caconrad > SaturDAYS AT noon: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN october 11th > > In this frantic, routine-driven world we need freedom from > regimented poetry > writing, and a healthy dose of walking the space between Soma > (spirit) and > Somatic (body). Using gemstones, trees, and the city itself, we > will create > deliberate, sustained physical manipulations to generate language to > write > our poems. Every thing is new every time we embark, and opening our > minds > to having that freedom in our lives everyday to write poems is what > these > workshops are about. Poetry is for everyBody, therefore everyBody > is > welcome! CAConrad's book (Soma)tic Midge (FAUX Press) was written > after > eating and living with a single color for a day. Poem samples, as > well as a > link to his monthly (Soma)tic Poetry Exercises can be found here: > www.CAConrad.blogspot.com . > > > MAKE NEW MISTAKES: A WRITING WORKSHOP FOR TEENS – Chris Martin > THURSDAYS 4:30-6PM: 5 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 23rd > > While losing may be an art that’s easily mastered, mistaking > requires some > experimental spirit. In this workshop, instead of just making it > new, we > will explore the art of making new mistakes through reading, > seeing, > hearing, rapping, and most of all writing. Along the way we will > encounter > the Ecstatic Truth of Werner Herzog, How to Be Perfect by Ron > Padgett, the > chromo-poems of CA Conrad, Gertrude Stein’s Tender Buttons, > dispatches from > the Spasmodic School, the MCs of Avant-Rap, and much else. Best of > all, we > will make many new mistakes together, through in-class > collaborations, > critiques, and performances. Young writers of any style, > persuasion, > interest, ability, and borough are all equally welcome. Let’s > stop > pretending to be perfect and start writing poems that are alive and > writhing. Chris Martin is the author of American Music and has > taught young > New Yorkers for the past six years. Open to high school teens. > FREE. > > > The workshop fee is $350, which includes a one year Sustaining > Poetry > Project membership and tuition for any and all spring and fall > classes. > Reservations are required due to limited class space, and payment > must be > received in advance. Caps on class sizes, if in effect, will be > determined > by workshop leaders. Please send payment and reservations to: > > The Poetry Project, St. Mark's Church > Attn: Workshops > 131 East 10th St. > NYC, NY 10003 > > For more information, or to pay by credit card, please call (212) > 674-0910, > or email: info@poetryproject.com. > > All workshops will be held in the Parish Hall at St. Mark's Church > on the > corner of 10th St. and 2nd Ave. > > > Allen Ginsberg Poetry Festival: Opening Event of HOWL 2008 > Friday September 5th, > Tompkins Square Howl Bandshell, in Park by 7th Street > > Poets from all over the world -- well, when the world is the Lower > East > Side, and isn´t it? -- will kick off the 08 HOWL Fest the only way > possible: > new poems from all kinds of poets, live and lively, rocking, > pastorale, The > LANGUAGE OF THE FUTURE. > > Representing the Bowery Poetry Club, Gathering of the Tribes, > Nuyorican > Poets Cafe and St Mark´s Poetry Project, the poets appear with the > support > of the Howl Festival Committee and the Allen Ginsberg Trust. > > Appearing will be: Bowery bartenders Shappy and Moonshine, > Collapisble > Poetics Theater Director Rodrigo Toscano, the Ultimate Street Poet - > POEZ, > Montreal´s poetry rock duo D. Kimm and Alexisa O´Hare, the > Nuyorican > All-Stars: Jamaal St. John, Rico Steal, Akua Doku and Adam Faulkner, > rock > port Todd Colby, CocoRosie´s MC Celena Glenn, CUNY Doctoral > Candidates Erica > Kaufman and Simone White, the winners of the Microsoft Small > Business > Competition The Mayhem Poets, recluse Jade Sharma, erotic poet > Tsaurah > Litzky, winner of the Columbia University Van Renssalear Poetry > Prize, > Marguerite Van Cook, rock and roll poet Billy Lamonte, and the > recently > named Poet laureate of the Lower East Side, John Farris. > > Bob Holman will direct a group version of Ginsberg's HOWL to > conclude the > event. > > Totally FREE. > > Poetry Turn On! > Monday Sept 8th, 2008 8pm to 10pm > At St. Mark’s Church in-the-Bowery > 131 East 10th Street > New York, NY 10003 > Main Sanctuary > > An evening of poetry readings by poets: Miguel Algarin, Mahogany > Browne, > Regie Cabico, Steve Cannon, Michael Cirelli, Brenda Coultas, Sam > Diaz, John > Farris, Merry Fortune, Celena Glenn, Lois Griffith, Bill Kushner, > Jill Magi, > Filip Marinovich, Chris Martin, Amy Ouzoonian, Eve Packer, Kristin > Prevallet, Shappy, Moonshine Shorey, Rachel M. Simon, Tracy K. > Smith, Stacy > Szymaszek, Clare Ultimo. > > This incredible group of poets come together to present their work > and > represent five of the numerous poetry organizations and venues that > serve > New York City and the World poetry throughout the year: The Bowery > Poetry > Club, A Gathering Of The Tribes, Nuyorican Poets Café, The Poetry > Project > and Poets House. > > A reception in the Parish Hall will follow the reading, and serve as > an > opportunity to meet the poets, purchase books, become a member, and > celebrate this year’s HOWL ! > Festival. > > This reading is FREE and Open to the Public. > > Become a Poetry Project Member! > http://poetryproject.com/membership.php > > Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php > > The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery > 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue > New York City 10003 > Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. > info@poetryproject.com > www.poetryproject.com > > Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though > now > those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to > all > regular readings). > > We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance > notice. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:57:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Ruiz III Subject: Kritikos, V.5 July-August-2008 In-Reply-To: <48B97220020000ED0005F0AC@giadom.drew.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kritikos, V.5 July-August-2008 Meaninglessness in the Desert of the Real...(r.molin) http://intertheory.org/molin.htm Dr. Nicholas Ruiz III Associate Professor Department of Humanities and Communication Daytona State College PO Box 2811 Daytona Beach, FL 32120-2811 Editor, Kritikos http://intertheory.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:23:31 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tom Orange Subject: Language barrier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline geraldine, i think it's mostly meant as a regional variant of "soccer mom" (hockey more popular in northern states than soccer?), which itself is a class and demographic marker... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_mom tho hockey fans are also perhaps more vociferous and bloodthirsty (than american soccer fans at least). warily, tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:43:00 +0100 From: Geraldine Monk Subject: Language barrier Other than a dog with lipstick (not my description) what exactly is a 'hockey mom'? As if she's not scary enough without belting out this refrain as though it's encoded slang for psycho- killer. Is this what's she's trying to say? Am I close? Are there more of these lippy 'hockey moms' on the loose trying to take over the world? fretfully yours, Geraldine ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:39:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nick LoLordo Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: <1220573199l.647392l.0l@psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You might ask Palinarus, Aldon--unless he's abandoned ship already..... Nick On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, ALDON L NIELSEN wrote: > anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a palinode? > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Study the fine art of coming apart." > > --Jerry W. Ward, Jr. > > Sailing the blogosphere at: http://heatstrings.blogspot.com/ > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- V. Nicholas LoLordo Assistant Professor Department of English University of Nevada-Las Vegas (702) 895-3623 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:48:26 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Mindock Subject: Cervena Barva Press September Newsletter Now Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cervena Barva Press September Newsletter has posted. Interviewed this month: Dzvinia Orlowsky by Alexander J. Motyl Please check it out at: http://www.cervenabarvapress.com/newsletter.htm Thank you. Gloria Mindock, Editor & Publisher ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:28:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Douglas Manson Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I hereby give anyone in the world at any time to read any of my poems aloud and to audiences, even in a high-pitched nasally, gating voice, or slapped on vinyl LP and scratched like a beat box so that my stupidest lines can be repeated over and over ad nauseum. yrs in infringement, douglas manson On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:20 AM, James Sanders wrote: > Therese: > > Speaking very generally (and in no way providing legal advice), one of the > exclusive rights given to an author as part of copyright is the right to > perform her copyrighted work "publicly". So the short answer to your > question is: no, simply reading aloud is not infringement. Now if you are > proposing a hypothetical where you are reading aloud to an audience > somewhere outside your home, then you are likely publicly performing the > work (just as you would if you were to take up your violin or piano and > play > a Steve Reich composition, or stage a Richard Foreman play, or show Star > Wars). I believe there is a limited exception for public performance in an > education environment. > > All that said, I think that in most cases you would be hard pressed to find > (a) a poet who wasn't overjoyed that someone else was "covering" her poem, > (b) an attorney or government agent willing to waste her time prosecuting > the relatively trivial infringement (I'm assuming that your reading aloud > of > someone else's work hasn't made you a millionaire (if it has, please send > details)). > > Hope that helps somewhat, > James Sanders > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- www.myspace.com/inksaudible www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:37:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Language barrier In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline from the wikipedia page Tom posted "Soccer Moms," a poem by Paul Muldoon, was originally published in *The New Yorker* and appears in *Horse Latitudes * (2006). So I think maybe this poem could be revised into Hockey Mom and changed into a palinode somehow... ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:57:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Homage to the Last Avant-Garde OUT NOW from Shearsman Books Comments: To: Poetryetc poetry and poetics , British & Irish poets , ImitaPo Memebers In-Reply-To: <48C12AF9.AB24.00C8.0@highland.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Homage to the Last Avant-Garde >=20 > by Kent Johnson >=20 > Shearsman Books (Exeter, UK, 2008) >=20 > Paperback, 120pp, 9x6ins, =A38.95 / $16 > ISBN 9781905700950 >=20 > Homage contains a wide variety of poems and prose, representing all stran= ds of > Johnson's work: versions from the Greek, traduced to an extraordinary deg= ree; > anti-war poems, overflowing with rage; stink-bombs tossed in the directio= n of > some famous poets, mostly meant in an ironic, joshing way. But not all. A= nd > then there are memoir poems of persons met and places visited, that may w= ell > be documentary in nature, or may also be artfully disguised. Memory is, a= fter > all, an awkward thing, and not to be trusted, just as politicians and the= ir > henchmen are not and there is no irony in their treatment in this book. N= o, > sir, none at all. >=20 > * >=20 > Kent Johnson's poems astonish me, and seem to be a shock for the future. = In a > time of war and utterly debased conversations on torture and permission, > Johnson is our most terrifying parodist, satirist, and dissector of empir= es. > One might think of him as a rather Roman poet of the late empire... He is > simply one of the most original and strange poets of the last decades. Th= ere > is a reason why this poetry seems to be appreciated abroad. In America, h= e is > rejected for breaking a variety of rules, even laws, and his cadenzas are > scorned. But actually he is pushing his fingers and a very learned pen ha= rder > and faster than most poets alive. The humor of his provocations makes me = not > so much forgive him but to admire the bliss of language and the Borgesian > fiction of his essays, and the essayistic truths of his letters, prose, a= nd > paradoxes concerning authorship. (If we thought we knew all this from Bor= ges > we were wrong, because now like an onyx the book of sand begins to split = into > analogies.) His machine-poems kill fascists like a guitar. --David Sha= piro >=20 > =20 > Only poets read the kind of poetry written now, even though only poets ac= t as > if this isn't the case. This shouldn't be a problem, since books aren't > written just for readers; books are written for writing, for literature. = But > in order to serve writing and literature, there still has to be some idea= as > to the reader. Without this, there is every reason to have doubt in an > "author." It is this doubt that Kent Johnson who, by the way, is my favor= ite > American author, deals with in all of his books. --Semezdin Mehmedinov= ic > =20 > Best known for his ties to the Araki Yasusada incident, Kent Johnson is a > deadly serious, brilliant subversive. His brand of fiction is derived fro= m the > fabulist Borges, Michaux, and magic realism, but with a slightly nasty ed= ge. > "I am in awe of you," I e-mailed him recently, and I meant it... --Lin= h > Dinh=20 > =20 > A poetry embroiled with poetry. Poetry pitched into the flames of its > fractious=20 > lineage, presented as a colloquy of voices=8Bmost of which never queue you; > they=B9re all so > perfervid to have their say. A signature convention pinched from one poet= or > another is catalyst enough for Johnson=B9s ventriloquy to toggle between pa= pyrus > and blogosphere,=20 > homage and invective. Farcical, sprawling, lyrical, smashed, shimmering, = and > without mercy. --C.D. Wright > =20 > Order now from http://www.shearsman.com/ or (starting September 15) > http://www.spdbooks.org/root/index.asp > =20 >=20 >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:22:44 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geraldine Monk Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'Good god, since when do lawyers take precedence over poets?' I agree Stephen. What's it to do with them - they'll just take you to the cleaners and laugh all the way to the bank. As Proudhon almost said: 'Poetry is theft'. G. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:56:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Language barrier In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hockey, in north america, is largely a canadian game. popular in the northern states, particularly alaska, because of alaska's climate and relative proximity to canada vs the usa. hockey moms are mainly moms. moms who devotedly drive their kid(s) to hockey games and practices at all hours. like ms palin will drive the kids to war, if elected. mom and apple pie as mom and t-bone steak. hockey has now apparently entered the usamerican political lexicon. as crypto for war. yet canadians like to think of canada's role as peacekeeping. i think we have at least 5 peacekeepers now. the rest of the military is deployed in afghanistan helping afghan women become hockey moms. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:02:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think of Cezanne in relation with reading/writing and how these live with= one through time. Cezanne's favorite distinguishing characteristic for ar= tists whom he regarded as actual artists=2C "the real thing=2C" was what he= pronounced in his Aixois accent as "temprrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrement=3B" hi= s friends noting he rolled the "r" to an extremely exaggerated duration eve= n for a Southerner. Cezanne's "temprrrrrement" in action was to return to t= he same scene and work on it over and over and over again. He writes of si= tting on a river bank and realizing that for months he could work with just= one view before him=2C for to move the head even an inch is to introduce s= uch a multitude of new views. =20 According to one's "temperament" and what it is one is working with through= time=2C there are writers to whom=2C like these "scenes in Nature" of Ceza= nne's--one is continually returning as they offer ever deeper analyses of t= he questions and findings with which one works. Through time=2C there is a= paring down=2C and also the finding of new examples that give one the sam= e endless field for study. The elements which are in a sense the "simplest= " and at the same time "the most deeply" and rhizomatically extensive in co= nnection with actual existence through time in relation with language itsel= f as an existence moving in time=2C make of some works not things separate = from one=2C but integrally a part of one's existence in al phases of consci= ousness--thought=2C dream=2C memory=2C reverie=2C imagination.=20 Walking in the world is walking with these works and the ones one finds in = carrying on this endless conversation. The works no longer exist within th= e pages of books at all=2C but are everywhere found=2C like colors for a pa= inter=2C sounds for s musician=2C al this material=2C all around one--as Ch= arlie Parker gestured to the person who thought he was existing nowhere amo= ngst nothing--all these works exist and are tools and ways of seeing=2C hea= ring=2C touching=2C smelling=2C voicing that go with one everywhere. This = is why I write often of Robert Smithson's "Art of Looking" and "making art = with a glance"--a work--as real as any existing as an object=2C but unlike = the object or book=2C one which is not a product=2C has no "value=2C" and e= xists only as it occurs in time. From very long ago more than one count=2C= humans have :"read" the skies=2C the landscapes=2Cthe oceans=2C the change= s in animals' movements or sounds. There are some writers or lines or fragm= ents=2C poems that take on this quality of a writing present in al things w= hich one returns to continually and works with continually.=20 Each time one returns and reads those "same" words again for the hundredth = time=2C they are not the same. On may think=2C "ah=2C see how much I have changed and put distance between= myself and this--!" Yet living with them long whiles continualy outside of books=2C to see them= in there is always a surprise=2C and they =2C like oneself=2C they have ch= anged through time. A "shock of recgontion=2C" as though "meeting for the f= irst time all over again." Poems=2C stories=2C al these things in words have lives of their own=2C ong= oing=2C cropping up suddenly in the form of a flower or weed in the heat o= f an afternoon or bedazzling one from a mud puddle as an oil slick floating= among clouds=2C a kind of "reversed rainbow" radiating in a pot holed alle= y. "And so we meet again--" out here in the chatoic teeming worlds=2C every bi= t as mong the pages returned to=2C where now the oil slick has drenched the= pages with an unexpected deposit of sult and the deltas of shifting phrase= s echo still with the ones of times past. > Date: Sun=2C 31 Aug 2008 22:12:55 -0700 > From: b.schwabsky@BTOPENWORLD.COM > Subject: Re: insomnia=2C words that do not survive the world > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > And Eliot ain't no Austen either. I seem to recollect that the first part= of Middlemarch is a sort of heavy pastiche of Austen=3B it takes a while b= efore suddenly changing mode and becoming what it really turns out to be. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Geraldine Monk > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Monday=2C 1 September=2C 2008 1:14:09 AM > Subject: Re: insomnia=2C words that do not survive the world >=20 > Murat=2C > I think you pinpoint the fact that a novel's impact on the reader is=20 > strongly related to the reader's circumstance at the time=2C especially a= ge.=20 > I was in my thirties when I read Jude O & The Scarlet Letter so I had a l= ot=20 > of reading under my belt by then and they just didn't measure up. I'm no= t=20 > even sure if I could slog through Wuthering Heights now - but when I was = a=20 > teenager (and the Bronte's lived about 20 miles away from where I was bor= n=20 > and brought up so I knew the landscape and language ) it was magnetic. >=20 > Jane Austen? Oh I'm so sorry Murat I didn't include her simply because=20 > she's a bit on the cusp and not really what we think of as 19th Century (= not=20 > that she's what you'd call 18th Century either - I think that's part of t= he=20 > fascination - the world in transition - she's very modern and yet curiou= sly=20 > old fashioned). She's also very wicked! I nearly bust a gut reading=20 > Northanger Abbey. But she's no Eliot that's for sure. >=20 > Geraldine >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" > To: > Sent: Sunday=2C August 31=2C 2008 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: insomnia=2C words that do not survive the world >=20 >=20 > > Geraldine=2C > > > > I asked the question because Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge left a a= =20 > > very > > strong impression on me when I first read it forty years ago in Turkey = (in > > English). The Scarlet Letter also which I read about the same time. It= =20 > > blew > > my mind. > > > > An interesting connection: I read The Scarlet Letter at Robert College= =2C=20 > > the > > American school In Istanbul. Robert College was built by missionaries w= ho > > came from Massachusetts. The poet=2C critic and publisher Ed Foster is= =20 > > writing > > a fascinating book about 19th century Istanbul (and its surrounding are= as=20 > > up > > to Iran) and a group of New England missionaries. > > > > Reading Moby Dick for the first time was an excruciating experience for= =20 > > me=2C > > but that reading changed my DNA as a writer. So nothing was wasted. > > > > I share your enthusiasm for Middlemarch=2C which interestingly I also=20 > > thought > > is the best 19th century English novel.. I also love Henry James=2C who= was a > > feminist=2C an American novelist and a great admirer of Hawthorne. My g= uess=20 > > is > > The House of Seven Gables is his favorite Hawthorne novel=2C the first = few > > pages of which anticipate I think James's later style. > > > > I am so happy Jane Austen is not in your list. > > > > Ciao=2C > > > > Murat > > > > > > > > On Sat=2C Aug 30=2C 2008 at 6:54 PM=2C Geraldine Monk=20 > > wrote: > > > >> Murat=2C > >> Oh yes - lots - probably most . The Bronte sisters=2C I love Wuthering > >> Heights but oddly enough so many poets I know hate it - but they all l= ove > >> Jane Eyre - why's that then. Discuss!) George Eliot (one of the great= est > >> prose stylists within the conventional narrative format)=2C Henry Jame= s=2C > >> Melville=2C Edith Wharton. The two I mentioned as not liking stick in= my=20 > >> mind > >> because if you labour through a novel and you end up not liking it tha= t's=20 > >> a > >> lot of time spent not liking something so you tend to be harsher than = you > >> would if you spent 5 minutes on a poem you don't like. > >> > >> > >> Murat wrote: > >> > >> Geraldine=2C > >> > >> > >> Do you like any 19th century novel=2C at least written in the English > >> language? > >> > >> Ciao=2C > >> > >> Murat > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 > >> guidelines > >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l > >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are part= of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:29:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Tod Edgerton Subject: VOX and UGA present: Ariana Reines and Mark Bilbrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The VOX reading series at the Un= Dear listers and potential listeners:=0A=0AThe VOX reading series at the Un= iversity of Georgia=A0is proud to present our first guest reader of the aca= demic year, poet Ariana Reines, author of the Alberta Prize-winning The Cow= (Fence Books 2006) and Coeur de Lion (Mal-O-Mar 2007). She will be reading= with current UGA PhD student and Iowa Writers' Workshop graduate, Mark Bil= brey. =0A=0AIf you will be in the Athens/Atlanta area this coming Wednesday= ,=A0please consider attending what is sure to be an exciting reading!=0A=0A= Ariana Reines and Mark Bilbrey=0A8pm Wed Sept 10=0ACine Theater=0A234 West = Hancock Ave.=0AAthens GA =0Ahttp://athenscine.com/location.php=A0=0A=A0=0AY= our curators,=0A=A0=0AMichael Tod Edgerton, Lara Glenum, and Donna Stonecip= her=0A____________________________________________________=0A=A0=0AUGA CWP = offers=A0MFA and PhD degrees. For more information on our program, please v= isit=A0http://www.english.uga.edu/creative/.=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:17:01 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geraldine Monk Subject: Re: Language barrier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the link Tom and to everyone else. I've got the idea and Marc's post in particular confirms my worst fears. She really does worry me now. I think Ms Palin is capable of making an aggressive apple pie. Slam dunk! (err - no don't bother - I don't care what that means - it's too Anglo Saxon to take seriously!). Geraldine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Orange" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Language barrier > geraldine, > > i think it's mostly meant as a regional variant of "soccer mom" > (hockey more popular in northern states than soccer?), which itself is > a class and demographic marker... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_mom > > tho hockey fans are also perhaps more vociferous and bloodthirsty > (than american soccer fans at least). > > warily, > tom > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:43:00 +0100 > From: Geraldine Monk > Subject: Language barrier > > Other than a dog with lipstick (not my description) what exactly is a > 'hockey mom'? As if she's not scary enough without belting out this > refrain > as though it's encoded slang for psycho- killer. Is this what's she's > trying to say? Am I close? Are there more of these lippy 'hockey moms' on > the loose trying to take over the world? > > fretfully yours, > > Geraldine > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:03:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a > palinode? no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a new arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:43:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: This Shining Wound update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I've added a poem to one of my blog-books, This Shining Wound. CORRESPONDENCES in the end we hoped that if i drew a pentacle a waxing gibbous the relevant sign of the zodiac and spread the tarot all might be well that the most suitable herb the appropriate color and select letter from the tree alphabet would improve our luck now with someone else it's a subtle shade of lipstick the perfect wine and trying to relax into my authentic whatever wherever i am any moment is still contingent upon the memory of how you thought about it all i mean really why was it up to me? that shit was nonsense i just had to leave myself http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ Mary Jo Malo =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:49:49 -0700 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: Western Kentucky University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) The English Department at Western Kentucky University seeks applicants for the following position: Distinguished Visiting Professor in Creative Writing (Poetry), Summer 2009 Duties: Teach a four-week intensive three-credit undergraduate/graduate workshop sometime during Summer 2009. Give a public reading. Renumeration: $10,000 + housing Requirements: Significant teaching experience, at least one published book Review of applications begins October 31, 2008, and will continue until position is filled. Each applicant must submit a letter of interest, a vita, a copy of one of his/her books, and two letters addressing his/her teaching expertise, to: Dr. Tom C. Hunley Department of English Chair Distinguished Visiting Creative Writing Professor Search Committee Western Kentucky University 1906 College Heights Blvd. #11086 Bowling Green, KY 42101-1086 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:00:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Wilcox Subject: Reading at Riverfront Studios, 9/19: Mary Kathryn Jablonski Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Riverfront Studios Presents A READING BY SARATOGA SPRINGS POET MARY KATHRYN JABLONSKI =A0 FROM HER NEW CHAPBOOK: "TO THE HUSBAND I HAVE NOT YET MET" (A.P.D.) Friday, September 19, 7 pm =A0 AT RIVERFRONT STUDIOS 96 Broad Street,=A0Schuylerville, NY Call (518)=A0695-5354=A0for more information =A0 Don=92t miss the related INVITATIONAL EXHIBITION Including artworks by Jablonski September 6 - October 25, 2008 Opening Reception: Saturday, September 6, 4:00-8:00 pm www.riverfront-studios.com (to order copies of the chapbook, email: apdbooks@earthlink.net)= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:13:03 +0100 Reply-To: Robin Hamilton Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: Language barrier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > hockey, in north america, is largely a canadian game. popular in the > northern states, particularly alaska, because of alaska's climate and > relative proximity to canada vs the usa. It's all about the ice, i'n'tit? What about curling? ... but if you want to be afraid, very, very afraid, think of shinty mums. R. > hockey moms are mainly moms. moms who devotedly drive their kid(s) to > hockey > games and practices at all hours. like ms palin will drive the kids to > war, > if elected. mom and apple pie as mom and t-bone steak. > > hockey has now apparently entered the usamerican political lexicon. as > crypto for war. yet canadians like to think of canada's role as > peacekeeping. i think we have at least 5 peacekeepers now. the rest of the > military is deployed in afghanistan helping afghan women become hockey > moms. > > ja > http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:23:18 +0100 Reply-To: Robin Hamilton Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Pitt bulls ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... and when it comes to pit bull terriers, uz in the UK, despite our reputation for political correctness, like handguns, simply decided to ban the buggers. Somehow, when push came to shove, the argument that pit bull terriers were Deeply Misunderstood didn't carry that much weight -- after the third child-death at the teeth of a pit bull terrier, enough was enough. So we're in favour of polar bears and wolves, but distinctly negative when it comes to killer accessories. R. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:39:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: insomnia, words that do not survive the world In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Hey, no more fine writing. Please. Hal On Sep 5, 2008, at 2:02 PM, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote: > Poems, stories, al these things in words have lives of their own, > ongoing, cropping up suddenly in the form of a flower or weed in > the heat of an afternoon or bedazzling one from a mud puddle as an > oil slick floating among clouds, a kind of "reversed rainbow" > radiating in a pot holed alley. > > "And so we meet again--" out here in the chatoic teeming worlds, > every bit as mong the pages returned to, where now the oil slick has > drenched the pages with an unexpected deposit of sult and the deltas > of shifting phrases echo still with the ones of times past. > "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." --George Carlin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:55:57 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Tongues Afire -- Call For Writers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tongues Afire: Creative Writing Workshop for Queer Women, Trans Women and Gender Non Conforming People of Color* ***** =A0 Workshop Facilitator: R. Erica Doyle =A0 WHEN: October 9, 2008 - December 11, 2008 Thursdays, 6:30 pm - 8:30 pm =A0 WHERE: Audre Lorde Project 85 South Oxford Street Brooklyn, New York 11217** =A0 CONTACT: 718.813.7240 tonguesafire@gmail.com =A0 How much: -FREE- =A0 Application Deadline: Tuesday, September 30th, 2008 *** =A0 =A0 **************************************************** =A0 =A0 These workshops, led by writer-teacher-performer R. Erica Doyle, are for writers of all levels, and will incorporate readings along w= ith in-class workshop exercises in literary memoir, poetry, and short fiction.= =A0 Participating writers will develop methods of constructive critique and strategies for incorporating writing in their everyday lives. Information on publication, funding, and reading opportunit= ies will be shared.=A0 The workshop will culminate in a public reading at the Audre Lorde Project. =A0 ***************************************************** =A0 How to Apply: =A0 Apply via email with the following information to tonguesafire@gmail.com =A0 =A0=A0=A0 * your contact information, =A0=A0=A0 * one paragraph that describes who you are and how you identify as queer woman/gnc person o= f color (be creative and definitive) =A0=A0=A0 * one - two paragraphs for why you want to be a part of Tongues Afire, and =A0=A0=A0 * a writing sample=A0 (1-3 pages of poetry, prose, fiction, or creative non-fiction) =A0 You may send questions to tonguesafire@gmail.com or call 718.813.7240. =A0 Space is limited.=20 =A0 Application Deadline: Tuesday, September 30th, 2008 =A0 =A0****************************************************** =A0 About the Facilitator: R. Erica Doyle is a writer of Trinidadian descent who lives in New York City. Her work has appeared in numerous journals and anthologies, including Best American Poetry, Ploughshares, Callaloo, Bum Rush the Page, and Ms. Magazin= e. She has performed her work at the Nuyorican Poets Caf=E9, Kennedy Center, Public Theater, St Mark's Poetry Project, Bar 13, Bowery Poetry Club, and the Calabash Literary Festival in = Jamaica. She has taught creative writing workshops at the 14th Street Y, the Brooklyn Pu= blic Library, Union Settlement, Sisterspace and Books, and in the New York City = public schools. She is the recipient of awards and fellowships from the Hurston/Wright and Astraea Foundations and the New York Foundation for the Arts. She is a fellow of Ca= ve Canem, a workshop and retreat for African-American poets. =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 *********************************************** =A0 More Information: * Anyone who identifies as a woman of color is welcome, including people of color who self-identify as women, trans, butch lesbians= , bois, drag queens, bi-gendered, two-spirited, drag kings, femme queens, A.G= .s, genderqueer, non-gendered, andro, crossdressers, gender-benders, gender flu= id as well as other identities of peoples who face gender oppression because o= f their non-conventional gender expression. =A0 ** Directions: C train to Lafayette Avenue; G train to Fulton Street; 2, 3, 4, 5, B, Q, D, M, N, R to Atlantic Avenue/Pacific Street) =A0 ***All applicants will be notified by Monday, October 6th.=A0 Accepted applicants must confirm their attendance upon notification. =A0 Tongues Afire is made possible by support from the Audre Lorde Project. This event is funded in part by Poets and Writers, Inc. =A0=20 _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:01:49 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: This Sunday, September 7th at 5 pm -- Jennifer L. Knox, Ada Limon and Tom Haushalter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polestar Poetry Presents... Readings by Jennifer L. Knox, Ada Limon and Tom Haushalter This Sunday, September 7th at 5 pm. Downstairs at CakeShop (152 Ludlow betw= een Stanton and Rivington) * 2-for-one-drinks and new-and-improved air conditioning! * ABOUT THE SHINY POETS: Jennifer L. Knox has two books of poems in English, Drunk by Noon and A Gringo Like Me=97both available from Bloof Books. Her poems have appeared in Best American Poetry 1997, 2003 and 2006, Best American Erotic Poems, Great American Prose Poems: From Poet to Present, and Free Radicals: American Poets Before Their First Books. Jennifer was born in Lancaster, California=97 crystal meth capitol of the nation, and home to Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart and the Space Shuttle. Ada Lim=F3n's first book, lucky wreck, was the winner of the Autumn House Poetry Prize and her second book, This Big Fake World, was the winner of the Pearl Poetry Prize. She's won the Chicago Literary Award and fellowships from the Provincetown Fine Arts Work Center and the New York Foundation for the Arts. She is the Creative Director for Travel + Leisure Magazine and teaches a Master Class for Columbia University. Her third book of poems Sharks in the Rivers, will be published by Milkweed Editions in 2010. She also sings in a band called Lucky Wreck. Tom Haushalter, born of sturdy Midwestern stock, left the country for the city. Since the honor of an MFA from Columbia University, he has published poems in Greensboro Review, New Orleans Review, Harpur Palate, Slice Magazine and Perihelion. In the fall of 2006, Tom toured the American heartland with fellow poet Emmett Tracy, leaving them high on verse from Oberlin to Wheeling. Now he works in book publishing, and lives in Brooklyn with his bride. -------------------- _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:55:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline lap-in. Ciao, Murat On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: > > > anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a > > palinode? > > no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with > palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a new > arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. > > ja > http://vispo.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:03:29 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: AWAREing Press Subject: Re: Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: <60466cc60809051028g6c0abe02maabd42686fc82de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Orb made tens of thousands by sampling an interview with Ricky Lee Jone= s and then mixing up her stupidest lines and overlaying chill-trip music on= "Little Fluffy Clouds" in 1990. She was upset. The Orb kept all the profit= s, as far as I know. Today I look back on each of them and they are intrins= ically linked in my mind. Sampling is an age-old issue. (Quilts and music, = poetry and drama...) It's probably best to create-your-own rather than remi= x somebody else's. But if you do sample, do it well? James Beach =20=20 -------------- Original message from Douglas Manson = : --------------=20 > I hereby give anyone in the world at any time to read any of my poems alo= ud=20 > and to audiences,=20 > even in a high-pitched nasally, gating voice, or slapped on vinyl LP and= =20 > scratched like a beat box so that my stupidest lines can be repeated over= =20 > and over ad nauseum.=20 >=20 > yrs in infringement,=20 > douglas manson=20 >=20 > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:20 AM, James Sanders=20 > wrote:=20 >=20 > > Therese:=20 > >=20 > > Speaking very generally (and in no way providing legal advice), one of = the=20 > > exclusive rights given to an author as part of copyright is the right t= o=20 > > perform her copyrighted work "publicly". So the short answer to your=20 > > question is: no, simply reading aloud is not infringement. Now if you a= re=20 > > proposing a hypothetical where you are reading aloud to an audience=20 > > somewhere outside your home, then you are likely publicly performing th= e=20 > > work (just as you would if you were to take up your violin or piano and= =20 > > play=20 > > a Steve Reich composition, or stage a Richard Foreman play, or show Sta= r=20 > > Wars). I believe there is a limited exception for public performance in= an=20 > > education environment.=20 > >=20 > > All that said, I think that in most cases you would be hard pressed to = find=20 > > (a) a poet who wasn't overjoyed that someone else was "covering" her po= em,=20 > > (b) an attorney or government agent willing to waste her time prosecuti= ng=20 > > the relatively trivial infringement (I'm assuming that your reading alo= ud=20 > > of=20 > > someone else's work hasn't made you a millionaire (if it has, please se= nd=20 > > details)).=20 > >=20 > > Hope that helps somewhat,=20 > > James Sanders=20 > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidel= ines=20 > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > www.myspace.com/inksaudible=20 > www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es &=20 > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:42:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Piombino Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0809061055v3abf5ff6q80cc686d26c36b9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit L pain Nick On 9/6/08 1:55 PM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: > lap-in. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: > >>>> anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a >>> palinode? >> >> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with >> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a new >> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. >> >> ja >> http://vispo.com >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:10:21 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: request to all formalists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Must confess, I am terrible at Palindromes, in fact, many have suggested that I stop trying, in fact, I have been known to be called, " Palinept", which, more than anything I can imagine, brings home the point. No doubt some have seen these lines going round the Net: Jesus was a Community Organizer. Pontius Pilate was a Governor. ! Stephen Vincent http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: request to all formalists To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 10:55 AM lap-in. Ciao, Murat On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: > > > anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a > > palinode? > > no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with > palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a new > arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. > > ja > http://vispo.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:34:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Glass Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5C1) Plain On Sep 6, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Nicholas Piombino wrote: > L pain > > Nick > > > On 9/6/08 1:55 PM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: > >> lap-in. >> >> Ciao, >> >> Murat >> >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: >> >>>>> anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a >>>> palinode? >>> >>> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding >>> with >>> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in >>> alaska. a new >>> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin >>> dome. >>> >>> ja >>> http://vispo.com >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:39:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: <090620081903.3247.48C2D4010001AD6300000CAF22230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A000E0C0A099D0A0D@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline One can see here the deep antagonism between the writing/creative process and the world in which that work wishes to or ends up being placed. Art -particularly poetry- consists of adoptions -secret or open- thefts of other texts. That's basically what hypertext is. Even Shakespeare, the most commercial among great poets- stole from right and left. Of course, Plutarch, his greatest source, was already beyond the copyright statutes on time limitations. Chaucer's Troylus and Cressida is basically a translation of Boccaccio's Filostrato, a fact I think undiscovered until the 19th century. Does that make Chaucer's poem less crucial in the English language? Did they really care? Did they not have a deeper, more realistic understanding of the nature of writing? David, in reference to your most recent post on re-reading: Herzog's movie Fata Morgana starts with a scene, a fixed camera focused on planes landing one after another at an airport. Herzog says focusing (rather, fixing) on an event for a long time turns a physical fact into a phantasmagoria, revealing its secrets. The same principle applies I think in Auster's movie Smoke when Keitel's photographic camera focuses on the same place, exactly at the same time, months after months. Ciao, Murat On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 PM, AWAREing Press wrote: > The Orb made tens of thousands by sampling an interview with Ricky Lee > Jones and then mixing up her stupidest lines and overlaying chill-trip music > on "Little Fluffy Clouds" in 1990. She was upset. The Orb kept all the > profits, as far as I know. Today I look back on each of them and they are > intrinsically linked in my mind. Sampling is an age-old issue. (Quilts and > music, poetry and drama...) It's probably best to create-your-own rather > than remix somebody else's. But if you do sample, do it well? > > James Beach > > -------------- Original message from Douglas Manson : > -------------- > > > > I hereby give anyone in the world at any time to read any of my poems > aloud > > and to audiences, > > even in a high-pitched nasally, gating voice, or slapped on vinyl LP and > > scratched like a beat box so that my stupidest lines can be repeated over > > and over ad nauseum. > > > > yrs in infringement, > > douglas manson > > > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:20 AM, James Sanders > > wrote: > > > > > Therese: > > > > > > Speaking very generally (and in no way providing legal advice), one of > the > > > exclusive rights given to an author as part of copyright is the right > to > > > perform her copyrighted work "publicly". So the short answer to your > > > question is: no, simply reading aloud is not infringement. Now if you > are > > > proposing a hypothetical where you are reading aloud to an audience > > > somewhere outside your home, then you are likely publicly performing > the > > > work (just as you would if you were to take up your violin or piano and > > > play > > > a Steve Reich composition, or stage a Richard Foreman play, or show > Star > > > Wars). I believe there is a limited exception for public performance in > an > > > education environment. > > > > > > All that said, I think that in most cases you would be hard pressed to > find > > > (a) a poet who wasn't overjoyed that someone else was "covering" her > poem, > > > (b) an attorney or government agent willing to waste her time > prosecuting > > > the relatively trivial infringement (I'm assuming that your reading > aloud > > > of > > > someone else's work hasn't made you a millionaire (if it has, please > send > > > details)). > > > > > > Hope that helps somewhat, > > > James Sanders > > > > > > ================================== > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > www.myspace.com/inksaudible > > www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Ciao, Murat On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Nicholas Piombino wrote: > L pain > > Nick > > > On 9/6/08 1:55 PM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: > > > lap-in. > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: > > > >>>> anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a > >>> palinode? > >> > >> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with > >> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a > new > >> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. > >> > >> ja > >> http://vispo.com > >> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:13:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit il nap On 9/6/08 2:42 PM, "Nicholas Piombino" wrote: > L pain > > Nick > > > On 9/6/08 1:55 PM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: > >> lap-in. >> >> Ciao, >> >> Murat >> >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: >> >>>>> anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a >>>> palinode? >>> >>> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with >>> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a new >>> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. >>> >>> ja >>> http://vispo.com >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:19:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jessica Wickens Subject: call for submissions: Monday Night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Please forward far and wide... Monday Night, a journal of literature and art, is now accepting submissions for Issue 8 (Summer 2009). We publish quality prose and poetry from new and emerging writers from across the country and around the world. Monday Night is distributed at independent bookstores and sold on our website. For more information and to view past issues, visit our website: http://www.mondaynightlit.com Read from our contents page to see if your work would be a good fit, or better yet, order a copy for yourself and for each of your friends. Reading an issue will give you the best picture of our highly inconsistent and unpredictable tastes. GUIDELINES Please follow our guidelines carefully. You can also find them on our website. If you still have questions, write to the editors at mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. POETRY: Send up to five poems. All styles are welcome. PROSE: Fiction, nonfiction, and essays up to 5,000 words. Send up to 3 pieces of prose. Translations are welcome in all genres. NO PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED WORK: We accept unpublished work only. This includes online publications. If you have published the piece in any online or print journal, do not submit it to Monday Night. We do an internet search for all pieces that we accept for publication, to make sure they do not appear anywhere else. Please respect our parameters. SIMULTANEOUS SUBMISSIONS: YES. We do accept simultaneous submissions, but please inform us if your work is accepted elsewhere, so we can remove it from consideration. HOW TO SUBMIT: Email submissions to mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. Send one doc, rtf, or pdf file attached to your email. Please title or label all your work clearly within the document. Your name and contact info should also appear on your submission. Your email message should include your name, contact info, the titles of your submissions and whether they are fiction, poetry or non-fiction. We do not confirm receipt of submissions. DEADLINE: December 15, 2008 RESPONSE TIME: We will respond to all submissions by February 2009. PAYMENT: Each published writer will receive two copies of the issue in which their work appears. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:54:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: request to all formalists Comments: cc: Daniel Zimmerman MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How about anagrams? Name as Fate Sarah Palin, alas, ran hip. Hi, anal raps, phrasal ani! Hair's a plan: a sharp nail Sharia plan, a plain, rash anal parish. Ah, saran lip in a rash lap! Daniel Zimmerman 9.6.2008 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: request to all formalists > lap-in. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: > >> > > anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a >> > palinode? >> >> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with >> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a >> new >> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. >> >> ja >> http://vispo.com >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:15:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: Re: This Shining Wound update In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for this one Mary Jo. Especially liked - " and trying to relax into my authentic whatever wherever i am any moment" - Peter Ciccariello On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Mary Jo Malo wrote: > I've added a poem to one of my blog-books, This Shining Wound. > > > CORRESPONDENCES > > in the end > we hoped > that if i drew > a pentacle > a waxing gibbous > the relevant sign > of the zodiac > and spread the tarot > all might be well > that the most suitable herb > the appropriate color > and select letter > from the tree alphabet > would improve > our luck > > now with someone else > it's a subtle shade of lipstick > the perfect wine > and trying to relax > into my authentic > whatever > > wherever i am > any moment > is still contingent upon > the memory of how > you thought > about it all > > i mean really > why was it > up to me? > that shit was nonsense > i just had to leave > myself > > http://thisshiningwound.blogspot.com/ > http://apophisdeconstructingabsurdity.blogspot.com/ > > Mary Jo Malo > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:40:35 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: <60466cc60809051028g6c0abe02maabd42686fc82de@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This seems to be an example of a very old genre, the cento. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cento_(poetry) Paul K. Saint-Amour writes about that and mosaic poetry in his book "The Copywrights". A limited preview is available at Google Books: http://books.google.com/books?id=8tqL2nRSQX4C&pg=PA41&vq=cento&dq=the+copywrights+Saint-Amour&client=firefox-a&source=gbs_search_s&sig=ACfU3U15l_vm0cVRCF87NCXLzlpNdosL7A Karl-Erik Tallmo -- _________________________________________________________________ KARL-ERIK TALLMO, writer, artist, journalist etc. ARTWORK, WRITINGS etc.: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/ SOUND & MUSIC: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/sound/ MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com COPYRIGHT HISTORY: http://www.copyrighthistory.com _________________________________________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 02:54:21 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geraldine Monk Subject: Re: request to all formalists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad you suggested that Daniel because Palin can't ever be a palindrome . It lacks doubles so essential for symmetry. . Palin-drones on the other hand could be endless - when she finally comes out of her briefing about the big bad world fasten your seatbelts - we're in for a bumpy night of platitudes... So help me God I love Alaska - oops - I mean that other thing beginning with 'A'... Albania.. or whaddever... should be fun... unless they win and McCain drops dead on the beat.. in which case I'm outta here - and probably so is Iran. Let's not think about it! G > How about anagrams? > > > > Name as Fate > > > > > > Sarah Palin, > > alas, ran hip. > > Hi, anal raps, > > phrasal ani! > > Hair's a plan: > > a sharp nail > > Sharia plan, > > a plain, rash > > anal parish. > > Ah, saran lip > > in a rash lap! > > > > > > > > Daniel Zimmerman > > 9.6.2008 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: request to all formalists > > >> lap-in. >> >> Ciao, >> >> Murat >> >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: >> >>> > > anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a >>> > palinode? >>> >>> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with >>> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a >>> new >>> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. >>> >>> ja >>> http://vispo.com >>> >>> ================================== >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >>> guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:12:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: call for submissions: Monday Night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i would still like the definition of an emerging writer please On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:19:45 -0700 Jessica Wickens writes: > Please forward far and wide... > > Monday Night, a journal of literature and art, is now accepting > submissions > for Issue 8 (Summer 2009). We publish quality prose and poetry from > new and > emerging writers from across the country and around the world. > Monday Night > is distributed at independent bookstores and sold on our website. > For more > information and to view past issues, visit our website: > http://www.mondaynightlit.com > > Read from our contents page to see if your work would be a good fit, > or > better yet, order a copy for yourself and for each of your friends. > Reading > an issue will give you the best picture of our highly inconsistent > and > unpredictable tastes. > > GUIDELINES > Please follow our guidelines carefully. You can also find them on > our > website. If you still have questions, write to the editors at > mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. > > POETRY: Send up to five poems. All styles are welcome. > > PROSE: Fiction, nonfiction, and essays up to 5,000 words. Send up to > 3 > pieces of prose. > > Translations are welcome in all genres. > > NO PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED WORK: > We accept unpublished work only. This includes online publications. > If you > have published the piece in any online or print journal, do not > submit it to > Monday Night. We do an internet search for all pieces that we accept > for > publication, to make sure they do not appear anywhere else. Please > respect > our parameters. > > SIMULTANEOUS SUBMISSIONS: > YES. We do accept simultaneous submissions, but please inform us if > your > work is accepted elsewhere, so we can remove it from consideration. > > HOW TO SUBMIT: > Email submissions to mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. Send one doc, rtf, or > pdf > file attached to your email. Please title or label all your work > clearly > within the document. Your name and contact info should also appear > on your > submission. Your email message should include your name, contact > info, the > titles of your submissions and whether they are fiction, poetry or > non-fiction. > > We do not confirm receipt of submissions. > > DEADLINE: December 15, 2008 > > RESPONSE TIME: We will respond to all submissions by February 2009. > > PAYMENT: Each published writer will receive two copies of the issue > in which > their work appears. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 05:31:54 -0700 Reply-To: b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To give a sense of how this looks from abroad, it's interesting that even a= right-wing paper like the Times is publishing commentary such this: =C2=A0 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article4= 692133.ece (headline: "This cynical choice has left McCain=E2=80=99s honour in shreds"= ) --- On Sat, 6/9/08, Ruth Lepson wrote: From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: request to all formalists To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 8:13 PM il nap On 9/6/08 2:42 PM, "Nicholas Piombino" wrote: > L pain >=20 > Nick >=20 >=20 > On 9/6/08 1:55 PM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: >=20 >> lap-in. >>=20 >> Ciao, >>=20 >> Murat >>=20 >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: >>=20 >>>>> anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a >>>> palinode? >>>=20 >>> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with >>> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a new >>> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. >>>=20 >>> ja >>> http://vispo.com >>>=20 >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >>> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >>>=20 >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:17:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: request to all formalists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pale (sk)in say rare kin's lapel pail in sahara rah rah sap pal in On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:40:46 -0400 Murat Nemet-Nejat writes: > L. Pain in the ass. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Nicholas Piombino > wrote: > > > L pain > > > > Nick > > > > > > On 9/6/08 1:55 PM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: > > > > > lap-in. > > > > > > Ciao, > > > > > > Murat > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews > wrote: > > > > > >>>> anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even > a > > >>> palinode? > > >> > > >> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. > coinciding with > > >> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in > alaska. a > > new > > >> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin > dome. > > >> > > >> ja > > >> http://vispo.com > > >> > > >> ================================== > > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > > guidelines > > >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > >> > > > > > > ================================== > > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. > Check > > guidelines & > > > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines > > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:08:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Tobin Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: <1220573199l.647392l.0l@psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit push trig palin in lap, girth's up. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:52:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: call for submissions: Monday Night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii one who has had little is any public exposure. if, for instance, you've been writing for years but have only recently started to publish, you're emerging. i consider myself a submerging writer. which is one who writes underground, seldom seeing any kind of light. back in the day, Wallace Stevens emerged in his forties. Emily Dickenson never emerged. ----- Original Message ---- From: steve d. dalachinsky To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 11:12:41 PM Subject: Re: call for submissions: Monday Night i would still like the definition of an emerging writer please On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:19:45 -0700 Jessica Wickens writes: > Please forward far and wide... > > Monday Night, a journal of literature and art, is now accepting > submissions > for Issue 8 (Summer 2009). We publish quality prose and poetry from > new and > emerging writers from across the country and around the world. > Monday Night > is distributed at independent bookstores and sold on our website. > For more > information and to view past issues, visit our website: > http://www.mondaynightlit.com > > Read from our contents page to see if your work would be a good fit, > or > better yet, order a copy for yourself and for each of your friends. > Reading > an issue will give you the best picture of our highly inconsistent > and > unpredictable tastes. > > GUIDELINES > Please follow our guidelines carefully. You can also find them on > our > website. If you still have questions, write to the editors at > mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. > > POETRY: Send up to five poems. All styles are welcome. > > PROSE: Fiction, nonfiction, and essays up to 5,000 words. Send up to > 3 > pieces of prose. > > Translations are welcome in all genres. > > NO PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED WORK: > We accept unpublished work only. This includes online publications. > If you > have published the piece in any online or print journal, do not > submit it to > Monday Night. We do an internet search for all pieces that we accept > for > publication, to make sure they do not appear anywhere else. Please > respect > our parameters. > > SIMULTANEOUS SUBMISSIONS: > YES. We do accept simultaneous submissions, but please inform us if > your > work is accepted elsewhere, so we can remove it from consideration. > > HOW TO SUBMIT: > Email submissions to mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. Send one doc, rtf, or > pdf > file attached to your email. Please title or label all your work > clearly > within the document. Your name and contact info should also appear > on your > submission. Your email message should include your name, contact > info, the > titles of your submissions and whether they are fiction, poetry or > non-fiction. > > We do not confirm receipt of submissions. > > DEADLINE: December 15, 2008 > > RESPONSE TIME: We will respond to all submissions by February 2009. > > PAYMENT: Each published writer will receive two copies of the issue > in which > their work appears. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:15:09 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barbara Henning Subject: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Regarding Copyright Infringement or Collage? I think of it as the art of appropriation... I really like Burrough's =20= essay "Les Voleurs" on this topic. Here it is. I'm appropriating it =20= into this conversation.... Barbara Henning =93Les Voleurs=94, William Burroughs Writers work with words and voices just as painters work with colors; =20= and where do these words and voices come from? Many sources: =20 conversations heard and overheard, movies and radio broadcasts, =20 newspapers, magazines, yes, and other writers; a phrase comes into the =20= mind from an old western story ina pulp magazine read years ago, can=92t = =20 remember where or when: =93he looked at her, trying to read her mind---=20= but her eyes were old, unbluffed, unreadable.=94 That=92s one that I = lifted. The County Clerk sequence in Naked Lunch derived form contact with the =20= County Clerk in Cold Spring, Texas. it was in fact an elaboration of =20 his monologue, which seemed merely boring at the time, since I didn=92t =20= know yet that I was a writer. In any case there wouldn=92t have been any = =20 Country Clerk if I had been sitting on my ass waiting for my =93very own = =20 words.=94 You=92ve all met the ad man who is going to get out of the = rat =20 race, shut himself up in a cabin, and write the Great American Novel. =20= I alwyas tell him, =93Don=92t cut your input, B.J.=97you might need it.=94= So =20 many times I have been stuck on a story line, can=92t see where it will =20= go from here; then someone drops around and tells me about fruiteating =20= fish in Brazil. I got a whole chapter out of that. Or I buy a book =20 to read on the plane, and there is the answer; and there=92s a nice =20 phrase, too. =93sweetly inhuman voices.=94 I had a dream about such =20 voices before I read The Big Jump by Leigh Brackett, and found that =20 phrase. Look at the surrealist moustache on the Mona Lisa. Just a silly joke? =20= Consider where this joke can lead. I had been working with Malcolm =20 McNeill for five years on an illustrated book entitled Ah Pook Is =20 Here, and we used the same idea: Hieronymus Bosch as the background =20 for scenes and characters taken form the Mayan codices and transformed =20= into modern counterparts. That face in the Mayan Dresden Codex will be =20= the barmaid in this scene, and we can use the Vulture God over here. =20 Bosch, Michaelangelo, Renoir, Monet, Picasso=97steal anything in sight. = =20 You want a certain light on your scene? Lift it from Monet. You want =20= a 1930=92s backdrop? Use Hopper. The same applies to writing. Joseph Conrad did some superb descriptive =20= passages on jungles, water, weather; why not use them verbatim as =20 background in a novel set in the tropics? Continuity by so-and-so, =20 description and background footage from Conrad. And of course you can =20= kidnap someone else=92s characters and put them in a different set. =20= The whole gamut of painting, writing, music, film, is yours to use. =20 Take Molly Bloom=92s soliloquy adn gie it to your heroine. It happens =20= all the time anyway; how may times have we had romeo and Juliet served =20= up to us, and Camille grossed forty million in The Young Lovers. So =20 let=92s come out in the open with it and steal freely. Brion Gysin carried the technique further in an unpublished scene from =20= his novel The Process. He took a section of dialogue verbatim from a =20= science fiction novel and used it in a similar scene. (The science =20 fiction novel, appropriately, concerned a mad scientist who devised a =20= black hole into which he disappeared.) I was, I confess, slightly =20 shocked by such overt and traceable plagiarism. I had not quite =20 abandoned the fetish of originality, though of course the whole =20 sublime concept of total theft isimplicit in cut-ups and montage. You see, I had been conditioned to the idea of words as property=97one=92s= =20 =93very own words=94 =96 and conseuqnetly to ad eep repubnance fo the = black =20 sin of plagiarism. Originality was the great virtue. I recall a boy =20 who was caught out copying an essay froma a magazine article, adn this =20= horrible case discussed in whispers . . . for the first time the dark =20= word =93plagiarism=94 impinged on my consciousness. Why, ina Jack London = =20 story, a writer shoots himself when he finds out that he has, without =20= knowing it, plagiarized another writer=92s work. He did not have the =20 courage to be a writer. Fortunately, I was made of sterner or at least =20= more adjustable stuff. Brion pointed out to me that I had been stealing for years: =93Where did = =20 that come from=97=91Eyes, old, unbluffed, unreadable=92? And that=20 =97=91inflexible authority=92? And that=97=91arty type, no principles=92 = And that=97=20 and that=97and that? He looked at me sternly. =93Vous =EAtes un voleur honteux . . . a closet thief.=94 so we drew up = a =20 manifesto . . . Les Voleurs Out of the closet and into the museums, libraries, architectural =20 monuments, concert halls, bookstores, recoding studios and film =20 studios of the world. Everything belongs to the inspired and dedicated =20= thief. All the artists of history, from cave painters to Picasso, all =20= the poets and writers, the musicians and architects, offer their =20 wares, importuning him like street vendors. They supplicate him from =20 the bored minds of school children, from the prisons of uncritical =20 veneration, from dead museums and dusty archives. Sculptors stretch =20 forth their limestone arms to receive the life-giving transfusion of =20 flesh as their severed limbs are grafted onto Mister America. Mais le =20= voleur n=92est pas press=E9=96 the thief is in no hurry. He must assure =20= himself of the quality of the merchandise and its suitability for his =20= purpose before he conveys the supreme honor and benediction of his =20 theft. Words, colors, light, sounds, stone, wood, bronze belong to the living =20= artist. They belong to anyone who can use them. Loot the Louvre! A bas =20= l=92 originalit=E9, the serile and assertive ego that imprisons as it =20= creates. Vive le vol=97pure, shameless, total. We are not responsible. =20= Steal anything in sight. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:15:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: request to all formalists Comments: cc: Daniel Zimmerman MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Nice, Adam! ~ Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Tobin" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: request to all formalists > push trig palin in lap, girth's up. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:21:11 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Randolph Healy Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: <0E738797450547BE87CD0D526B9D710D@rose> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pale pal in nil ape lap best Randolph ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:25:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Re: call for submissions: Monday Night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii emerging imagine imaging one without self! --Obododimma. ----- Original Message ---- From: steve d. dalachinsky To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2008 4:12:41 AM Subject: Re: call for submissions: Monday Night i would still like the definition of an emerging writer please On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:19:45 -0700 Jessica Wickens writes: > Please forward far and wide... > > Monday Night, a journal of literature and art, is now accepting > submissions > for Issue 8 (Summer 2009). We publish quality prose and poetry from > new and > emerging writers from across the country and around the world. > Monday Night > is distributed at independent bookstores and sold on our website. > For more > information and to view past issues, visit our website: > http://www.mondaynightlit.com > > Read from our contents page to see if your work would be a good fit, > or > better yet, order a copy for yourself and for each of your friends. > Reading > an issue will give you the best picture of our highly inconsistent > and > unpredictable tastes. > > GUIDELINES > Please follow our guidelines carefully. You can also find them on > our > website. If you still have questions, write to the editors at > mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. > > POETRY: Send up to five poems. All styles are welcome. > > PROSE: Fiction, nonfiction, and essays up to 5,000 words. Send up to > 3 > pieces of prose. > > Translations are welcome in all genres. > > NO PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED WORK: > We accept unpublished work only. This includes online publications. > If you > have published the piece in any online or print journal, do not > submit it to > Monday Night. We do an internet search for all pieces that we accept > for > publication, to make sure they do not appear anywhere else. Please > respect > our parameters. > > SIMULTANEOUS SUBMISSIONS: > YES. We do accept simultaneous submissions, but please inform us if > your > work is accepted elsewhere, so we can remove it from consideration. > > HOW TO SUBMIT: > Email submissions to mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. Send one doc, rtf, or > pdf > file attached to your email. Please title or label all your work > clearly > within the document. Your name and contact info should also appear > on your > submission. Your email message should include your name, contact > info, the > titles of your submissions and whether they are fiction, poetry or > non-fiction. > > We do not confirm receipt of submissions. > > DEADLINE: December 15, 2008 > > RESPONSE TIME: We will respond to all submissions by February 2009. > > PAYMENT: Each published writer will receive two copies of the issue > in which > their work appears. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:24:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: call for submissions: Monday Night In-Reply-To: <20080906.231241.1640.7.skyplums@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Not to worry, Steve. You and I are submerging writers. Well, I am. Hal On Sep 6, 2008, at 10:12 PM, steve d. dalachinsky wrote: > i would still like the definition of an emerging writer please > > On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:19:45 -0700 Jessica Wickens > writes: >> Please forward far and wide... >> >> Monday Night, a journal of literature and art, is now accepting >> submissions >> for Issue 8 (Summer 2009). We publish quality prose and poetry from >> new and >> emerging writers from across the country and around the world. >> Monday Night >> is distributed at independent bookstores and sold on our website. >> For more >> information and to view past issues, visit our website: >> http://www.mondaynightlit.com >> >> Read from our contents page to see if your work would be a good fit, >> or >> better yet, order a copy for yourself and for each of your friends. >> Reading >> an issue will give you the best picture of our highly inconsistent >> and >> unpredictable tastes. >> >> GUIDELINES >> Please follow our guidelines carefully. You can also find them on >> our >> website. If you still have questions, write to the editors at >> mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. >> >> POETRY: Send up to five poems. All styles are welcome. >> >> PROSE: Fiction, nonfiction, and essays up to 5,000 words. Send up to >> 3 >> pieces of prose. >> >> Translations are welcome in all genres. >> >> NO PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED WORK: >> We accept unpublished work only. This includes online publications. >> If you >> have published the piece in any online or print journal, do not >> submit it to >> Monday Night. We do an internet search for all pieces that we accept >> for >> publication, to make sure they do not appear anywhere else. Please >> respect >> our parameters. >> >> SIMULTANEOUS SUBMISSIONS: >> YES. We do accept simultaneous submissions, but please inform us if >> your >> work is accepted elsewhere, so we can remove it from consideration. >> >> HOW TO SUBMIT: >> Email submissions to mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. Send one doc, rtf, or >> pdf >> file attached to your email. Please title or label all your work >> clearly >> within the document. Your name and contact info should also appear >> on your >> submission. Your email message should include your name, contact >> info, the >> titles of your submissions and whether they are fiction, poetry or >> non-fiction. >> >> We do not confirm receipt of submissions. >> >> DEADLINE: December 15, 2008 >> >> RESPONSE TIME: We will respond to all submissions by February 2009. >> >> PAYMENT: Each published writer will receive two copies of the issue >> in which >> their work appears. >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines & sub/unsub info: >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." --George Carlin Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:42:10 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: <0E738797450547BE87CD0D526B9D710D@rose> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fascinating to see Palin introduce paramilitary terms as birth names.=20 In addition to "Trig" one can soon imagine, if not already found in the bac= kwoods and urban ghettoes: AKA, Colt, Hummer, Board=A0 (short for "Water B...), M6, etc.=20 Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:47:14 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: <33901B8B-1A91-454E-8E71-F9D14575A854@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Barbara, for the Burroughs "re-it." What is the difference between 'simulation' and 'appropriation' as a techni= que?=20 Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Barbara Henning wrote: From: Barbara Henning Subject: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 9:15 PM Regarding Copyright Infringement or Collage? I think of it as the art of appropriation... I really like Burrough's =20 essay "Les Voleurs" on this topic. Here it is. I'm appropriating it =20 into this conversation.... Barbara Henning =93Les Voleurs=94, William Burroughs Writers work with words and voices just as painters work with colors; =20 and where do these words and voices come from? Many sources: =20 conversations heard and overheard, movies and radio broadcasts, =20 newspapers, magazines, yes, and other writers; a phrase comes into the =20 mind from an old western story ina pulp magazine read years ago, can=92t = =20 remember where or when: =93he looked at her, trying to read her mind---=20 but her eyes were old, unbluffed, unreadable.=94 That=92s one that I lifted= . The County Clerk sequence in Naked Lunch derived form contact with the =20 County Clerk in Cold Spring, Texas. it was in fact an elaboration of =20 his monologue, which seemed merely boring at the time, since I didn=92t =20 know yet that I was a writer. In any case there wouldn=92t have been any = =20 Country Clerk if I had been sitting on my ass waiting for my =93very own = =20 words.=94 You=92ve all met the ad man who is going to get out of the rat = =20 race, shut himself up in a cabin, and write the Great American Novel. =20 I alwyas tell him, =93Don=92t cut your input, B.J.=97you might need it.=94 = So=20 many times I have been stuck on a story line, can=92t see where it will =20 go from here; then someone drops around and tells me about fruiteating =20 fish in Brazil. I got a whole chapter out of that. Or I buy a book =20 to read on the plane, and there is the answer; and there=92s a nice =20 phrase, too. =93sweetly inhuman voices.=94 I had a dream about such =20 voices before I read The Big Jump by Leigh Brackett, and found that =20 phrase. Look at the surrealist moustache on the Mona Lisa. Just a silly joke? =20 Consider where this joke can lead. I had been working with Malcolm =20 McNeill for five years on an illustrated book entitled Ah Pook Is =20 Here, and we used the same idea: Hieronymus Bosch as the background =20 for scenes and characters taken form the Mayan codices and transformed =20 into modern counterparts. That face in the Mayan Dresden Codex will be =20 the barmaid in this scene, and we can use the Vulture God over here. =20 Bosch, Michaelangelo, Renoir, Monet, Picasso=97steal anything in sight. = =20 You want a certain light on your scene? Lift it from Monet. You want =20 a 1930=92s backdrop? Use Hopper. The same applies to writing. Joseph Conrad did some superb descriptive =20 passages on jungles, water, weather; why not use them verbatim as =20 background in a novel set in the tropics? Continuity by so-and-so, =20 description and background footage from Conrad. And of course you can =20 kidnap someone else=92s characters and put them in a different set. =20 The whole gamut of painting, writing, music, film, is yours to use. =20 Take Molly Bloom=92s soliloquy adn gie it to your heroine. It happens =20 all the time anyway; how may times have we had romeo and Juliet served =20 up to us, and Camille grossed forty million in The Young Lovers. So =20 let=92s come out in the open with it and steal freely. Brion Gysin carried the technique further in an unpublished scene from =20 his novel The Process. He took a section of dialogue verbatim from a =20 science fiction novel and used it in a similar scene. (The science =20 fiction novel, appropriately, concerned a mad scientist who devised a =20 black hole into which he disappeared.) I was, I confess, slightly =20 shocked by such overt and traceable plagiarism. I had not quite =20 abandoned the fetish of originality, though of course the whole =20 sublime concept of total theft isimplicit in cut-ups and montage. You see, I had been conditioned to the idea of words as property=97one=92s = =20 =93very own words=94 =96 and conseuqnetly to ad eep repubnance fo the black= =20 sin of plagiarism. Originality was the great virtue. I recall a boy =20 who was caught out copying an essay froma a magazine article, adn this =20 horrible case discussed in whispers . . . for the first time the dark =20 word =93plagiarism=94 impinged on my consciousness. Why, ina Jack London = =20 story, a writer shoots himself when he finds out that he has, without =20 knowing it, plagiarized another writer=92s work. He did not have the =20 courage to be a writer. Fortunately, I was made of sterner or at least =20 more adjustable stuff. Brion pointed out to me that I had been stealing for years: =93Where did = =20 that come from=97=91Eyes, old, unbluffed, unreadable=92? And that=20 =97=91inflexible authority=92? And that=97=91arty type, no principles=92 An= d that=97=20 and that=97and that? He looked at me sternly. =93Vous =EAtes un voleur honteux . . . a closet thief.=94 so we drew up a = =20 manifesto . . . Les Voleurs Out of the closet and into the museums, libraries, architectural =20 monuments, concert halls, bookstores, recoding studios and film =20 studios of the world. Everything belongs to the inspired and dedicated =20 thief. All the artists of history, from cave painters to Picasso, all =20 the poets and writers, the musicians and architects, offer their =20 wares, importuning him like street vendors. They supplicate him from =20 the bored minds of school children, from the prisons of uncritical =20 veneration, from dead museums and dusty archives. Sculptors stretch =20 forth their limestone arms to receive the life-giving transfusion of =20 flesh as their severed limbs are grafted onto Mister America. Mais le =20 voleur n=92est pas press=E9=96 the thief is in no hurry. He must assure =20 himself of the quality of the merchandise and its suitability for his =20 purpose before he conveys the supreme honor and benediction of his =20 theft. Words, colors, light, sounds, stone, wood, bronze belong to the living =20 artist. They belong to anyone who can use them. Loot the Louvre! A bas =20 l=92 originalit=E9, the serile and assertive ego that imprisons as it =20 creates. Vive le vol=97pure, shameless, total. We are not responsible. =20 Steal anything in sight. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:09:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Fluffy Singler Subject: Re: request to all formalists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Barry likes to anagram politicians' names. Two of my favorites: Paul E. Tsongas = gaseous plant Spiro Agnew = grow a penis -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Zimmerman [mailto:urthona@VERIZON.NET] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: request to all formalists How about anagrams? Name as Fate Sarah Palin, alas, ran hip. Hi, anal raps, phrasal ani! Hair's a plan: a sharp nail Sharia plan, a plain, rash anal parish. Ah, saran lip in a rash lap! Daniel Zimmerman 9.6.2008 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: request to all formalists > lap-in. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote: > >> > > anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a >> > palinode? >> >> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with >> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a >> new >> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome. >> >> ja >> http://vispo.com >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check >> guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:27:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barbara Henning Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? Comments: To: steph484@pacbell.net In-Reply-To: <130914.67289.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Steven, For me--I can't speak for Burroughs or anyone else--to appropriate is =20= part of a transformation of a text I'm working on, almost like adding =20= a new voice to the conversation and watching what happens to meaning, =20= narrative, flow of text. . . there's a transformation that occurs in =20 my thinking and in the writing. A dialogic. I think with "simulation" =20= we're in a different set of categories. To appropriate or to work with collage is to multiply, to open up =20 possibilities. To represent, to simulate is more about the =20 replacement of the whole and then perhaps the replacement becomes the =20= original. So I guess if you are appropriating an entire text, then =20 this could be simulating . . . then you have a simulation and if it's =20= picked up and copied again and again... well then perhaps simulacra. But for me, appropriation is simpler -- we're in dialogue with writers =20= and artists and others from before and now -- and we take up their =20 words and characters and images and lines in the same way we take up =20 the language we were born into, in dialogue, not like robots. And we =20= don't always footnote and document everything (unless we want to) and =20= then we keep going with our writing and our work... Of course, some =20 conceptual interventions might want to do just that--replace the whole =20= with something similar, almost the same, but not quite that--as a =20 political move or just to do it... But then would it be an =20 appropriation? Barb On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > Thank you, Barbara, for the Burroughs "re-it." > > > > What is the difference between 'simulation' and 'appropriation' as a =20= > technique? > > > > Stephen V > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > > > --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Barbara Henning wrote: > From: Barbara Henning > Subject: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 9:15 PM > > Regarding Copyright Infringement or Collage? > > I think of it as the art of appropriation... I really like Burrough's > essay "Les Voleurs" on this topic. Here it is. I'm > appropriating it > into this conversation.... > > Barbara Henning > > > > =93Les Voleurs=94, William Burroughs > > Writers work with words and voices just as painters work with colors; > and where do these words and voices come from? Many sources: > conversations heard and overheard, movies and radio broadcasts, > newspapers, magazines, yes, and other writers; a phrase comes into the > mind from an old western story ina pulp magazine read years ago, can=92t= > remember where or when: =93he looked at her, trying to read her = mind--- > but her eyes were old, unbluffed, unreadable.=94 That=92s one that I =20= > lifted. > > The County Clerk sequence in Naked Lunch derived form contact with the > County Clerk in Cold Spring, Texas. it was in fact an elaboration of > his monologue, which seemed merely boring at the time, since I didn=92t > know yet that I was a writer. In any case there wouldn=92t have been = any > Country Clerk if I had been sitting on my ass waiting for my =93very = own > words.=94 You=92ve all met the ad man who is going to get out of the = rat > race, shut himself up in a cabin, and write the Great American Novel. > I alwyas tell him, =93Don=92t cut your input, B.J.=97you might need = it.=94 So > > many times I have been stuck on a story line, can=92t see where it = will > go from here; then someone drops around and tells me about fruiteating > fish in Brazil. I got a whole chapter out of that. Or I buy a book > to read on the plane, and there is the answer; and there=92s a nice > phrase, too. =93sweetly inhuman voices.=94 I had a dream about such > voices before I read The Big Jump by Leigh Brackett, and found that > phrase. > > Look at the surrealist moustache on the Mona Lisa. Just a silly joke? > Consider where this joke can lead. I had been working with Malcolm > McNeill for five years on an illustrated book entitled Ah Pook Is > Here, and we used the same idea: Hieronymus Bosch as the background > for scenes and characters taken form the Mayan codices and transformed > into modern counterparts. That face in the Mayan Dresden Codex will be > the barmaid in this scene, and we can use the Vulture God over here. > Bosch, Michaelangelo, Renoir, Monet, Picasso=97steal anything in = sight. > You want a certain light on your scene? Lift it from Monet. You want > a 1930=92s backdrop? Use Hopper. > > The same applies to writing. Joseph Conrad did some superb descriptive > passages on jungles, water, weather; why not use them verbatim as > background in a novel set in the tropics? Continuity by so-and-so, > description and background footage from Conrad. And of course you can > kidnap someone else=92s characters and put them in a different set. > The whole gamut of painting, writing, music, film, is yours to use. > Take Molly Bloom=92s soliloquy adn gie it to your heroine. It happens > all the time anyway; how may times have we had romeo and Juliet served > up to us, and Camille grossed forty million in The Young Lovers. So > let=92s come out in the open with it and steal freely. > > Brion Gysin carried the technique further in an unpublished scene from > his novel The Process. He took a section of dialogue verbatim from a > science fiction novel and used it in a similar scene. (The science > fiction novel, appropriately, concerned a mad scientist who devised a > black hole into which he disappeared.) I was, I confess, slightly > shocked by such overt and traceable plagiarism. I had not quite > abandoned the fetish of originality, though of course the whole > sublime concept of total theft isimplicit in cut-ups and montage. > > > You see, I had been conditioned to the idea of words as property=97one=92= s > =93very own words=94 =96 and conseuqnetly to ad eep repubnance fo the = black > sin of plagiarism. Originality was the great virtue. I recall a boy > who was caught out copying an essay froma a magazine article, adn this > horrible case discussed in whispers . . . for the first time the dark > word =93plagiarism=94 impinged on my consciousness. Why, ina Jack = London > story, a writer shoots himself when he finds out that he has, without > knowing it, plagiarized another writer=92s work. He did not have the > courage to be a writer. Fortunately, I was made of sterner or at least > more adjustable stuff. > > Brion pointed out to me that I had been stealing for years: =93Where = did > that come from=97=91Eyes, old, unbluffed, unreadable=92? And that > =97=91inflexible authority=92? And that=97=91arty type, no principles=92= And > that=97 > and that=97and that? He looked at me sternly. > > =93Vous =EAtes un voleur honteux . . . a closet thief.=94 so we drew = up a > manifesto . . . > > Les Voleurs > > Out of the closet and into the museums, libraries, architectural > monuments, concert halls, bookstores, recoding studios and film > studios of the world. Everything belongs to the inspired and dedicated > thief. All the artists of history, from cave painters to Picasso, all > the poets and writers, the musicians and architects, offer their > wares, importuning him like street vendors. They supplicate him from > the bored minds of school children, from the prisons of uncritical > veneration, from dead museums and dusty archives. Sculptors stretch > forth their limestone arms to receive the life-giving transfusion of > flesh as their severed limbs are grafted onto Mister America. Mais le > voleur n=92est pas press=E9=96 the thief is in no hurry. He must = assure > himself of the quality of the merchandise and its suitability for his > purpose before he conveys the supreme honor and benediction of his > theft. > > Words, colors, light, sounds, stone, wood, bronze belong to the living > artist. They belong to anyone who can use them. Loot the Louvre! A bas > l=92 originalit=E9, the serile and assertive ego that imprisons as it > creates. Vive le vol=97pure, shameless, total. We are not = responsible. > Steal anything in sight. > > > > >> >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:35:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Your Planet Can Be Ours Too, now at Scribd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey Listservers, I've posted my YOUR PLANET CAN BE OURS TOO sequence at Scribd. To be found here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/5567007/Your-Planet-Can-Be-Ours-Too ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:31:51 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lionel Kearns Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: <33901B8B-1A91-454E-8E71-F9D14575A854@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This poem is carnivorous. It thrives on living language, especially the flesh of other poems. It hungers after every kind of verse: blank, free, or constrained. It gobbles up haikus, sonnets, sestinas, odes, villanelles, chewing them up and spitting out the rhymes. Each word of this poem, each letter that you are reading here, was once a part of a less fortunate poem. If you look closely you will recognize nouns, phrases, even whole lines that originated elsewhere. But who are you to criticize? You, who are devouring this poem now, making it part of your own cannibal soul. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 03:35:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: NYC/Next Thurs: Welcome to Boog City 2 Festival, Sept. 18-21 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 Next Thurs., Sept. 18 through Sun. Sept. 21, we'll be putting on the second annual Welcome to Boog City poetry and music festival. It will feature performances from 49 poets, 13 musical acts, and one theater company over the four days.=20 You can view the web-only color pdf version of Boog City=E2=80=99s Welcome to Boo= g City issue, replete with the full schedule illustrated with performer pics; pieces on festival performers Arlo Quint and Wakey!Wakey!, poems by fest performers Elise Ficarra and Kristianne Meal, and a preview of our Sunday discussion on race and poetry: =20 http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc51_wbc2fest.pdf =20 Among the festival highlights are: =E2=80=94a night devoted to Durham, N.C. small press minor/american; =E2=80=94a live performance of Lou Reed=E2=80=99s New York album for its 20th anniversa= ry by seven different musical acts; =E2=80=94a performance of a wickedly comic tale of love and lust in a time of war from the prototypical New York School poet Frank O=E2=80=99Hara; =E2=80=94our 5th annual small, small press fair, with exhibits from a dozen different small presses, and readings by their authors; =E2=80=94a discussion on Race and Poetry: Integrating the Experimental; and =E2=80=94Talisman House Publishers editor Edward Foster in conversation with internationally renowned English-born poet and long-time Lower East Side resident Simon Pettet. =20 The full schedule for the event is below this note, followed by performer bios and websites. =20 If you need any additional information you can reach me at 212-842-BOOG (2664) or editor@boogcity.com. Hope you can make it down. as ever, David P.S. Physical copies of this issue, Boog City 51, will be distributed this Wed., Sept. 11. Please patronize our advertisers: =20 Bowery Poetry Club * http://www.bowerypoetry.com Crayon * http://www.durationpress.com/crayon/ Farfalla Press * http://www.farfallapress.blogspot.com/ Sous Rature =E2=80=A2 http://www.necessetics.com/sousrature.html Ocho 14 * http://www.lulu.com/content/1388882 =20 ----- =20 Advertising or donation inquiries can be directed to editor@boogcity.com or by calling 212-842-BOOG (2664) =20 ----- =20 2,500 copies of Boog City are distributed among, and available for free at, the following locations: =20 MANHATTAN =20 *THE EAST VILLAGE* =20 Acme Underground =20 Anthology Film Archives Bluestockings =20 Bowery Poetry Club=20 Caf=C3=A9 Pick Me Up Cake Shop Lakeside Lounge =20 Life Caf=C3=A9 Living Room Mission Caf=C3=A9 =20 Nuyorican Poets Caf=C3=A9 Other Music Pianos =20 St. Mark's Books =20 St. Mark's Church=20 Shakespeare & Co.=20 Sidewalk Caf=C3=A9 =20 Sunshine Theater =20 Trash and Vaudeville Two Boots Video =20 *OTHER PARTS OF MANHATTAN* =20 Angelika Film Center and Caf=C3=A9 Hotel Chelsea Mercer Street Books Poets House =20 =20 BROOKLYN =20 *WILLIAMSBURG* =20 Bliss Caf=C3=A9 Galapagos =20 Sideshow Gallery=20 Soundfix/Fix Cafe=20 Spoonbill & Sugartown Supercore Caf=C3=A9 =20 *GREENPOINT* =20 Greenpoint Coffee House Lulu's=20 Photoplay Video & DVD Thai Cafe =20 The Pencil Factory =20 P.P.S. And read every Boog City back issue, all 50, now online: from 1 http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc01.pdf to 50 http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc50.pdf just change the issue number, from 01 on through to 50 ---------- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://www.welcometoboogcity.com T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ------------- =20 2nd annual Welcome to Boog City 4 Days of Poetry and Music THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 18, 6:00 P.M. =20 d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press =20 minor/american (Durham, N.C.) ACA Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC =20 Free =20 Event will be hosted by minor/american editors Elise Ficarra and Kathryn Pringle, eds. =20 featuring readings from =20 Samar Albuhassan David Need Andrea Rexilius Ken Rumble Diane Timblin =20 and music from Liv Carrow =20 There will be wine, cheese, and crackers, too. =20 Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues =20 =20 FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 19, 7:00 P.M. =20 Sidewalk Caf=C3=A9 94 Ave. A NYC =20 Free with a two-drink minimum =20 Readings, musical, and poets=E2=80=99 theater performances, and Lou Reed=E2=80=99s New York album live =20 7:00 p.m.-Jim Behrle 7:15 p.m.-Daniel Nester 7:35 p.m.-Dibson T. Hoffweiler (music) 8:05 p.m.-Arlo Quint 8:20 p.m.-Bob Holman 8:35 p.m.-Verse Theater Manhattan doing a reading of Frank O'Hara's verse drama 9:35 p.m.-Gillian McCain 9:50 p.m.-Lou Reed, New York. Performed live by: =20 *Babs Soft Romeo Had Juliette Halloween Parade=20 *The Rabbits Dirty Blvd. Endless Cycle =20 *Dibson T. Hoffweiler & Preston Spurlock There Is No Time Last Great American Whale *Liv Carrow Beginning of a Great Adventure Busload of Faith *Prewar Yardsale Sick of You Hold On *Wakey Wakey Good Evening Mr. Waldheim Xmas in February *Todd Carlstrom and The Clamour Strawman Dime Store Mystery 11:20 p.m.-Todd Carlstrom and The Clamour 12:10 a.m.-The Rabbits =20 Directions: F/V to 2nd Ave., L to 1st Ave. Venue is at E.6th St. =20 =20 SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 20, 11:00 A.M. =20 Cakeshop 152 Ludlow St. NYC =20 $5 =20 5th Annual Small, Small Press Fair Featuring readings from authors of the exhibiting presses 11:10 a.m.-Brant Lyon, LOGOchrysalis 11:20 a.m.-Andrew Bishop, Graphic Union Press 11:30 a.m.-Celena Glenn, Bowery Books 11:40 a.m.-Mark Lamoureux, Cy Gist Press 11:50 a.m.-Ariana Reines, Fence/Fence Books 12:00 p.m.-Adam Golaski, flim forum press 12:10 p.m.-Damian Weber, House Press 12:20 a.m.-Virna Teixeira, Litmus Press/Aufgabe 12:30 p.m.-Jaye Bartell, little scratch pad 12:40 p.m.-Jeff Downey, Octopus Books 12:50 p.m.-Melissa Christine Goodrum, Other Rooms Press 1:00 p.m.-Jessica Smith, Outside Voices 1:10 p.m.-Austin Alexis, Poets Wear Prada 1:20 p.m.-Tom Savage, Straw Gate Books ----------------- 1:30 p.m.-Stephanie Gray 1:45 p.m.-Bill Kushner 2:00 p.m.-Oak Orchard Swamp (music) 2:30 p.m.-Ryan Eckes 2:50 p.m.-Eric Gelsinger 3:10 p.m.-Douglas Manson 3:30 p.m.-Heart Parts (music) 4:00 p.m.-Elise Ficarra 4:20 p.m.-Kristianne Meal 4:40 p.m.-Kathryn Pringle 5:00 p.m.-Maureen Thorson 5:20 p.m.-Carol Mirakove 5:35 p.m.-A Brief View of the Hudson (music) 6:05 p.m.-Jen Benka 6:20 p.m.-Todd Colby 6:35 p.m.-Kyle Schlesinger 6:55 p.m.-David Hadbawnik 7:15 p.m.-Sharon Mesmer 7:30 p.m.-Casey Holford (music) =20 Directions: F/V to 2nd Ave. Venue is bet. Stanton and Rivington sts. =20 =20 SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 21, 1:00 P.M. =20 Unnameable Books 456 Bergen St. Brooklyn Free 1:00 p.m.-Julia Cohen 1:15 p.m.-Tisa Bryant 1:30 p.m.-Ana Bo=C5=BEi=C4=8Devi=C4=87 1:45 p.m.-Yoko Kikuchi (music) 2:05 p.m.-Corrine Fitzpatrick 2:20 p.m.-Nick Piombino 2:35 p.m.-Stacy Szymaszek 2:50 p.m.-3:00-break 3:00 p.m.- Race and Poetry: Integrating the Experimental Amy King (curator and moderator) Tisa Bryant Jennifer Firestone Timothy Liu Mendi Obadike Meghan Punschke Christopher Stackhouse Mathias Svalina 4:30 p.m.-4:40-break 4:40 p.m.-Yoko Kikuchi (music) 5:00 p.m.-Lee Ann Brown 5:15 p.m.-John Coletti 5:30 p.m.-Rachel Levitsky 5:45 p.m.-Eileen Myles 6:00 p.m.-Yoko Kikuchi (music) 6:20 p.m.-Edward Foster in conversation with Simon Pettet 6:50 p.m.-Simon Pettet 7:10 p.m.-Edward Foster =20 =20 Directions: 2, 3 to Bergen St.; 2, 3, 4, 5, M, N, Q, W, R, B, D to Atlantic Ave./Pacific St.; C to Lafayette Ave. Venue is bet. 5th/Flatbush aves. --------------- =20 **Welcome to Boog City 2 Bios and Websites** =20 *Thursday =20 **minor/american http://www.minoramerican.blogspot.com minor/american is a small-edition, themed, hand-made poetry journal first released in the summer of 2007. An offshoot of the minor/american blog, originated by Maggie Zurawski in 2004, minor/american prints the work of not-so minor Americans, with a preference for longer selections. The theme for issue two, due this fall, is citi. Issue three's theme will be evolution. Submissions can be sent to minoramerican.subs@gmail.com. =20 **Samar Abulhassan http://www.jacketmagazine.com/35/dk-abulhassan.shtml Samar Abulhassan recently left San Francisco, where she taught poetry to children, to live among many creatures at a Zen center in New Mexico, where she wakes early, brews soups, and hears and sounds many bells. She is finishing a second chapbook for Dusie and recently collaborated with a Buto= h dancer in San Francisco on a movement/text piece that was performed at Yerb= a Buena Center for the Arts last spring. She waits for the night to surface words and is looking for a watery landscape to write into. =20 **Liv Carrow http://www.myspace.com/livcarrow Liv Carrow=E2=80=99s songs are like the little animals that your 4-year-old niece= s and nephews make out of Play-Doh=E2=80=94lumpy yet distinguishable in form, rudimentary to the point of psychedelic complexity, dry and crumbly on the outside but "all kinds of squishy" on the inside. The mysterious and oddly lovable bassist from ecstatically weird Huggabroomstik and Griffin and the True Believers takes the scenic back road to your heart with her clever-ish observations on life, death, love, health food, human reproduction, geography, the unseen world of the earth spirits and cosmic currents, awkward crushes, metaphysics, and everyone's favorite-despair. Liv plays frequently in NYC and the surrounding area as a solo acoustic act and accompanying Huggabroomstik and the burgeoning alternapop collaboration Fee= l The Feelings. She is also available for Tarot readings which can be obtaine= d for a song =20 **David Need http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Archive?author=3Doid%3A18317 http://www.mipoesias.com/2006Volume20Issue1/needcolumn.html David Need is a Massachusetts boy who has lived in North Carolina since 1994. He teaches South Asian Religions at Duke University. Excerpts from recent projects "St. John's Rose Slumber" and "Places I've Lived" are forthcoming in Hambone, Effing, and minor/american. Previously his poetry has been published in Fascicle and Ocho, and essays and memoirs have appeared in Talisman and on Mipoesias. He is working on "Voicing St. Mark's= " and a further section of "Places I've Lived," as well as an academic study of Kerouac and Buddhism. As he writes this, he sits among the dead in a mal= l in Raleigh (but they are quiet). =20 **Andrea Rexilius http://www.parceljournal.org http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/08/the_era_of_video_poetics_is= _ im_1.html Andrea Rexilius is working toward her Ph.D. in literature and creative writing at the University of Denver. Her poetry and essays have appeared or are forthcoming in Bird Dog, Coconut, Colorado Review, How2, minor/american= , P =E2=80=93Queue, and Volt, among others. She is the editor of the online journal PARCEL and assistant editor of the Denver Quarterly. =20 **Ken Rumble http://www.desertcity.blogspot.com http://www.coconutpoetry.org/rumble2.htm Ken Rumble is the author of Key Bridge (Carolina Wren Press) and the forthcoming President Letters (Scantily Clad Press). His poems have appeare= d in the tiny, Cutbank, One Less Magazine, Talisman, Parakeet, and others. He lives in Greensboro, N.C. =20 **Dianne Timblin Dianne Timblin lives in Durham, N.C. Her work has appeared in minor/american, Phoebe, So to Speak, Rivendell, and other journals. She has been featured as a reader for the Poetry at Noon series at the Library of Congress, and one of her poems was a finalist for the Brenda L. Smart Prize= . =20 =20 *Friday =20 **Babs of Queens=20 http://www.myspace.com/babssoft Babs Todras is a songwriter from Queens. A child of two classical musicians= , she has been in training since before she could form sentences. After a lon= g mid-youth rebellion against her folks, she returned to music in high school and college where she teamed up with Seth of Dufus and Jeffrey Lewis on various musical projects, and she can be found on several of their albums. She plays mostly short songs about love and science, and also likes to cras= h Huggabroomstik tours. =20 **Jim Behrle http://americanpoetry.biz Jim Behrle lives in Brooklyn. =20 **Todd Carlstrom and The Clamour http://www.myspace.com/toddcarlstrom After Todd Carlstrom recorded his solo album, Gold on the Map, it was clear to him that the songs deserved more than to simply remain a studio project. He set about recruiting members of the band that would become Todd Carlstro= m and The Clamour. He managed to entice drummer Eric Shaw of The Domestics into moonlighting. Guitarist Brian Elmquist, a singer/songwriter from Georgia by way of Nashville, came on in early '08. Their show expertly intertwines the poppy wrath of The Pixies, the classic rock nods of Built t= o Spill, the rumbling slink of Sleater-Kinney, and, occasionally, the odd stoner jam a la Brian Jonestown Massacre. =20 **Liv Carrow (see Thursday for bio) =20 **Dibson T. Hoffweiler http://www.dibson.net http://www.myspace.com/dibson Dibson T. Hoffweiler is the latest in a long line of quirky anti-folk ing=C3=A9nues, among them Beck, Adam Green, and Jeffrey Lewis. With a low voice that=E2=80=99s sweet and deadpan, and a guitar-style that=E2=80=99s virtuosic and slopp= y, Hoffweiler carves out a space of compassion and intelligence in a landscape of boring love songs and thinly veiled songwriterly misogyny. Known for his work in anti-folk flagship bands Cheese On Bread, Huggabroomstik, and Urban Barnyard, Dibs began his musical career generating buzz with his old band, Dibs & Sara. Eventually he established himself as a solo artist, including several month long tours of Europe and North America. Dibs has proved (to himself, and to others) that his bizarre, ramshackle aesthetic is palatable outside the freaky comfort zone of New York anti-folk. =20 **Dibson T. Hoffweiler and Preston Spurlock http://www.myspace.com/prestonspurlock Dibson and Preston have been friends and artistic collaborators since meeting at the Sidewalk Cafe in 2005. The two forged a tight bond over thei= r common love of oddball lo-fi music. For a while they performed together as Dibs With Machines, and were both members of one-off anti-folk supergroup Old Hat. They now share a stage as the guitarist and keyboardist of Huggabroomstik. =20 **Bob Holman http://www.bobholman.com Bob Holman is working on a documentary on the poetry of Endangered Language= s and another on Allen Ginsberg. His most recent book, A Couple of Ways of Doing Something (Aperture), a collaboration with Chuck Close, is en route from the Tacoma Museum of Modern Art to the Museo in Santiago, Chile. The Awesome Whatever, his new CD is out from Bowery Books. He is the founder of the Bowery Poetry Club and teaches at NYU and Columbia. =20 **Gillian McCain http://www.limpwristmag.com/conwaymccaintrinidad.html http://www.epoetry.org/issues/issue8/text/poems/trinidad1.htm Gillian McCain is the author of two books of poetry=E2=80=94Tilt and Religion=E2=80=94a= nd is the co-author, with Legs McNeil, of Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk (Grove Press), which has been translated into 10 languages. They are currently working on a new oral history. McCain is also collaborating with David Trinidad and Jeffery Conway on Descent of the Dolls, a book-length poem inspired by the film Valley of the Dolls and the book the Inferno, among other projects. =20 **Daniel Nester http://www.danielnester.com Daniel Nester is the author of The History of My World Tonight (BlazeVOX Books), as well as God Save My Queen and God Save My Queen II (both Soft Skull Press), two collections on his obsession with the rock band Queen. He lives in upstate New York with his wife Maisie and their daughter Miriam. =20 **Prewar Yardsale http://www.myspace.com/prewaryardsale http://www.olivejuicemusic.com/prewaryardsale.html Prewar Yardsale started in the year 2000 under the influence of the Moldy Peaches and Schwervon!. Prewar Yardsale are husband and wife duo Mike Rechner (guitar, vocals) and Dina Levy (bucket, tin can, vocals). Prewar Yardsale, called post-techno, post-punk, post-machine, post-soul, post-anything by the zine Antimatters, recently performed at Huggabroomstock, and their latest release is Prewar Yardsale Peel Sessions (Olive Juice Music). =20 **Arlo Quint http://www.puppyflowers.com/9/quint.html Arlo Quint is the author of Days On End (Open 24 Hours) and Photogenic Memory (Lame House). =20 **The Rabbits http://www.myspace.com/deadrabbitmusic The Rabbits are an indie rock band from Staten Island. They sound like Davi= d Bowie, Jefferson Airplane, and ABBA having a crazy orgy weekend. =20 **Verse Theater Manhattan http://www.versetheater.org Verse Theater Manhattan is the preeminent theater company in the English speaking world devoted exclusively to verse drama. Verse Theater Manhattan focuses on discovering important contemporary plays in verse and working with active poets and playwrights to promote this significant form. In addition to producing plays and reading regularly in New York City for the last decade, the company has toured the Midwest and England to rapt audiences and enthusiastic critics. They=E2=80=99ll be performing a wickedly comi= c tale of love and lust in a time of war from the prototypical New York Schoo= l poet Frank O=E2=80=99Hara. =20 **Wakey!Wakey! http://www.wakeywakeymusic.com http://www.myspace.com/wakeywakeymusic Wakey!Wakey! is Michael Grubbs (songwriting/vocals/keys), an NYC native who blends gorgeous songcraft with a potent sense of humor to create original, heartfelt songs that cause listeners to stop what they are doing and turn themselves over completely and totally to his storytelling. Wakey!Wakey! features the boundless talent and energy of Gene Back (violin/guitar), and the unique stylings of their female rhythm section=E2=80=94Anne Lieberwirth (bass= ) and Kristin Mueller (drums). In 2007 Wakey!Wakey! released the live album Silent As a Movie (Family Records) and launched an ingenious covers project= , available for download on the band's website and later released as a compilation. The band has shared bills across New York with the likes of indie darlings Rouge Wave, I'm From Barcelona, Someone Still Loves You Bori= s Yeltsin, AA Bondy, and Heloise and the Savoir Faire. =20 =20 *Saturday =20 **A Brief View of the Hudson http://www.myspace.com/abriefviewofthehudson The duo Nick Nace and Ann Enzminger met through chance meetings. Now the tw= o make up an indie folk band, including the record Go North to Find Me (CD Baby). =20 **Austin Alexis, Poets Wear Prada http://home.att.net/~poetswearpradanj/AustinAlexis.html http://www.poetswearprada.blogspot.com Austin Alexis's poetry, fiction, and non-fiction have appeared in a variety of anthologies, journals, magazines, and newspapers, including Barrow Street, The Journal, The Writer, The Pedestal Magazine, and online at Poetz.com. His plays have been performed in New York City, and one was selected for the Samuel French Short Plays Festival. Alexis has taught creative writing at Hunter College=E2=80=99s continuing education program, and ha= s taught and tutored at various universities and college in New York state. H= e lives in Manhattan and teaches at New York City College of Technology (CUNY= ) in Brooklyn. =20 Roxanne Hoffman is the founder of Poets Wear Prada, also known as PWP Books= , a small press based in Hoboken, N.J. and devoted to introducing new authors through limited edition, high-quality chaplets. She is a former Wall Street investment banker and runs the press with her husband Herbert Fuerst, a retired Hollywood agent. Their first offering, released in October 2006, wa= s the 12-page poetry chapbook Your Infidel Eyes by Brant Lyon, host of NYC's Hydrogen Jukebox Jazzoetry Series. Since then, they have released 12 additional titles with plans to release 10 new chapbooks annually. Authors include well-established New York poets Peter Chelnik and Susan Maurer, as well as promising newcomers like Jee Leong Koh, Laura Vookles, and Austin Alexis. =20 **Jaye Bartell, Little Scratch Pad Editions http://www.housepress.org/bartell.html http://www.myspace.com/oakorchardswamp Jaye Bartell was born in Massachusetts; has lived in Asheville, NC; San Jua= n Island, Wash.; and lives in Buffalo. He=E2=80=99s the author of Acres Ourselves (House Press) and Ever After Never Under (Little Scratch Pad Editions). Other work has appeared in Capgun, A Sing Economy (Flim Forum Anthology), and Cutbank.=20 =20 Douglas Manson began Little Scratch Pad Editions in 1997 with the chapbook Snack Size, a collection of his own poems. It remained a self-publishing effort until 2005, with the publication of Aaron Lowinger's Autobiography (co-produced with House Press). It became a press with a mission, to publis= h poetic works by younger writers, often their first chapbooks. Lowinger's chapbook was followed in 2007 with Kristianne Meal's TwentyTwo: first pallet, Tom Yorty's Words in Season, L.A. Howe's NTR PIC E ST R, Michael Basinski's Of Venus 93, Nick Traenkner's Accidental Thrust, and Manson's At Any Point. Recent books are Liz Mariani's Imaginary Poems for My Imaginary Girlfriend Named Anabel, and Jaye Bartell's Ever After / Never Under. =20 **Jen Benka http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=3D1-932360-84-0 Jen Benka was born in Cudahy, Wisconsin, and lives today in Brooklyn. She i= s the politics co-editor of Boog City with Carol Mirakove. Benka is the autho= r of A Box of Longing with 50 Drawers (Soft Skull), an earlier version of which was issued as a limited edition artist book under the title A Revisioning of the Preamble of the Constitution of the United States (Booklyn). She also wrote Manya, comic books drawn by Kris Dresen, and in the 1990s performed with the rock-art band Mook, who launched into their audience larger and cleaner tampons than L7. =20 **Andrew Bishop, Graphic Union Press htp://www.graphicunionpress.org Andrew Bishop is a musician and university development administrator born and raised in the shadow of The Riverside Church. He will be reading other people=E2=80=99s poems. Graphic Union Press is a collaborative publishing venture founded in New York City on the Day of the Serial Epic, 2007. We publish books that are textual and visual on subjects including art and design, music, cities, and bicycles and other machines, and we aim in the making for a more perfect graphic union. **Todd Colby http://www.gleefarm.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/lovetoddcolby Todd Colby is the author of Tremble & Shine, Riot in the Charm Factory, Cush, and Ripsnort (all Soft Skull Press). =20 **Jeff Downey, Octopus Books http://www.realpoetik.blogspot.com/2008/02/jeff-downey.html http://www.octopusbooks.net Jeff Downey is from the panhandle of Nebraska and is studying in the M.F.A. program at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. His poems have appeared in journals including Octopus, RealPoetik, and Handsome. =20 Octopus Books is a small press founded in 2006 by the editors of Octopus Magazine. It has published hand-made, limited edition chapbooks by Genya Turovskaya, Joshua Marie Wilkinson, Jonah Winter, Matthew Rohrer, and Sueyeune Juliette Lee, among others. Their first two full-length book releases are Eric Baus' forthcoming Tuned Droves and Julie Doxsee's Undersleep, which is now available. =20 **Ryan Eckes http://www.phillysound.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html Ryan Eckes lives in South Philadelphia. His poetry can be read in XConnect, Fanzine, Cue: A Journal of Prose Poetry, PhillySound, and his chapbook when i come here (Plan B Press). He has an M.A. in creative writing from Temple University, where he currently teaches. He hosts the Chapter & Verse readin= g series in Philadelphia. =20 **Elise Ficarra http://www.geocities.com/iunyper/rifeone/ficarra.html http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry Elise Ficarra is a Bay Area poet and writer. Swelter, her first book of poems, came out in 2005. A second book, be(g)one, is in progress. A contributor to hinge: a boas anthology of experimental women writers, Ficarra=E2=80=99s work probes impossibilities=E2=80=99 evolution, investigating how linguistic signs=E2=80=94mundane and mythic=E2=80=94recalibrate memory and bodily exper= ience within the crush of nation states. She is co-editor of the journal minor/american and associate director of The Poetry Center at SFSU. =20 **Eric Gelsinger http://www.housepress.org Eric Gelsinger is from Old Buffalo, N.Y. and currently lives in New Buffalo= , Brooklyn. He is a member of House Press, and his poems can also be found in the smooth books of Flim Forum. He trades for a heavy-hitting avant-garde finance firm near Times Square. =20 **Celena Glenn, Bowery Books http://original.bowerypoetry.com/bowerywomen Reading for Bowery Books is Celena Glenn. Celena Glenn is Poet Fashionista-in=E2=80=93Residence for the Nowery Poetry Club, producing fashion poetry shows, spinning, free-styling, and just spitting nearly every week when she=E2=80=99s in town. She ranked second in the 2004 World Poetry Slam, and = is a two-time National Poetry Slam Champion and former host at the Nuyorican Poets' Caf=C3=A9. She is featured in a number of poetry anthologies and magazines, including Spoken Word Revolution, Serum, Composite, and Bullets and Butterflies. Her work can also be seen in the documentaries Slam Channel: War of Words and Urban Scribe. She has performed from Princeton to Rivington Synagogue, from Berkeley to basements in Soweto. Her book Black Cracker (Bowery Books) is forthcoming this fall. =20 Bowery Books is the press of the Bowery Poetry Club, with Bob Holman and Marjorie Tesser as its editors. The press has published essential anthologies, such as Bowery Women: Poems and Estamos Aqu=C3=AD, poems by Migran= t Farmworkers, as well as works by unique poets like Taylor Mead, the octogenarian Andy Warhol intimate who appeared in the film Coffee and Cigarettes, to Poez, a performing street poet. Forthcoming is the new Bower= y Voices series, including Black Cracker by Celena Glenn and Body of Water by Janet Hamill, with photographs by Patti Smith, both in fall 2008, and Touch by Cynthia Kraman in spring 2009. Bowery Books is grateful for the support of the New York State Council on the Arts and is a member of the Council of Literary Magazines and Presses. =20 **Adam Golaski, Flim Forum Press http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/issue/december-green http://www.flimforum.blogspot.com http://www.flimforum.com Adam Golaski is the author of Worse Than Myself (Raw Dog Screaming Press) and Color Plates (Rose Metal Press). Adam's poem "Green"=E2=80=94a translation of Sir Gawain & the Green Knight=E2=80=94appears in installment on Open Letters. Upcoming publications include fiction in The Lifted Brow 4 and Exotic Gothi= c II, and poetry in Moonlit and Little Red Leaves. He edits for Flim Forum Press. =20 Flim Forum Press, founded in 2005, provides SPACE to emerging poets working in a variety of experimental modes. It has published two poetry anthologies= , Oh One Arrow and A Sing Economy, with Brandon Shimoda=E2=80=99s The Alps, forthcoming this fall. =20 **Melissa Christine Goodrum, Other Rooms Press http://www.nyqpoets.net/poet/melissachristinegoodrum http://www.otherroomspress.blogspot.com Melissa Christine Goodrum has an M.F.A. in poetry from Brooklyn College. He= r work has been published in The New York Quarterly, The Torch, The Tiny, Rhapsoidia, Can We Have Our Ball Back?, Transmission, and Bowery Women: Poems, and by Other Rooms Press. She was co-president of the Cambridge Poetry Awards, administrative director of Bowery Arts & Sciences, and the recipient of a Zora Neale Hurston Award from the Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics at Naropa University. She wears many, many masks=E2=80=94poet= , translator, scholar, editor, photographer, and writing teacher in the New York City Public School system. =20 Ed Go and Michael Whalen, graduates of Brooklyn College's M.F.A. program, founded Other Rooms Press (ORP) in January 2007. =E2=80=9CWe got tired of seeing good, innovative poetry go unpublished, ignored by =E2=80=98mainstream,=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98acc= epted=E2=80=99 venues, and created ORP in hopes of providing alternative spaces, =E2=80=98other rooms=E2=80=99 in which quality, experimental poetry that might not otherwise fin= d an audience can flourish,=E2=80=9D they said. =E2=80=9COur goal with our website chapbo= oks and readings is to publish and promote the kind of experimental, linguistically innovative, playful poetry that we love; we hope you enjoy it.=E2=80=9D=20 =20 **Stephanie Gray http://www.leafscape.org/StrawGateBooks/gray.html Stephanie Gray is a poet and experimental filmmaker whose super 8 films often have poem voiceovers. Her first poetry collection, Heart Stoner Bingo (Straw Gate Books) was published this past December. Her films have screene= d at festivals and venues including Millennium Film Workshop, Ann Arbor, Oberhausen, Viennale, VIDEOEX, Cinematexas, Antimatter, Chicago Underground= , and Madcat. She has received funding for her films from the New York Foundation for the Arts and the New York State Council on the Arts. =20 **David Hadbawnik http://www.habenichtpress.com David Hadbawnik is a poet and performer who lives with his wife in Buffalo, N.Y. Recent publications include the books Translations from Creeley (Sardines), Ovid in Exile (Interbirth), and SF Spleen (Skanky Possum); essays in Big Bridge and Chicago Review; and poems in the Marlboro Review (in which his poem =E2=80=9CThe Gods=E2=80=9D was chosen by Heather McHugh as a finalis= t for the Poetry Prize) and Damn the Caesars. He is the editor and publisher of Habenicht Press and the journal kadar koli. He begins studying toward his Ph.D. in poetics at the University at Buffalo this fall. =20 **Heart Parts=20 (see Damian Weber for bio) =20 **Casey Holford http://www.caseyholford.com http://www.myspace.com/casey Casey Holford started playing piano at 12, picked up his mother's guitar fo= r coffeehouse and DIY shows at 14, and was performing regularly in the Boston-Providence songwriter circuit by 18. Now living in Brooklyn, he has recorded three self-released solo albums, two EPs, and a recent 7-inch on RiYL records. Along the way Holford=E2=80=99s managed to tour on the east and wes= t coasts multiple times as well as in Europe, sharing bills with like-minded songwriters such as Erin McKeown, Diane Cluck, Regina Spektor, Kimya Dawson= , and Matt the Electrician. He currently moonlights in the bands Outlines, Urban Barnyard, Dream Bitches, and Art Sorority for Girls, playing bass, electric, 12 string, and baritone guitars. He is also a prolific producer, working on projects with fellow bands and songwriters, most recently pop riot Cheese on Bread, visionary Dave Deporis, and upstart Creaky Boards. =20 **Bill Kushner=20 http://www.rattapallax.com/ebooks/DreamsWaters_sample.pdf Bill Kushner is a poet residing in Chelsea. He is the author of In Sunsetland With You (Straw Gate Books), In the Hairy Arms of Whitman (Melville House Publications), He Dreams of Waters (Rattapallax), and That April (United Artists Books) among others. He has twice received a New York Foundation for The Arts fellowship. His work has been published in the Best American Poetry 2002. =20 **Brant Lyon, LOGOChrysalis http://www.logochrysalis.com Brant Lyon has=E2=80=94in increasing order of difficulty=E2=80=94eaten a guinea pig bes= ide Macchu Picchu, climbed the Himalayas to catch a sunrise, driven a New York City cab, taught himself Arabic to open a cyber cafe=C2=A0near the great Pyramids, tickled the ivories at Carnegie Hall, and written poetry for the past decade or so! He=E2=80=99s got some printed in Rattle, Lullwater Review, Medicinal Purposes, BigCityLit, and other journals, other of it anthologize= d in The Rutherford Red Wheelbarrow Poets (Becton-Schanz), The Company We Kee= p (Poet Warrior), and in his chapbook Your Infidel Eyes (Poets Wear Prada), now in its second printing. Lyon otherwise conflates poetry with music, as a composer and performer, in his =E2=80=9Cjazzoetry=E2=80=9D reading series, Hydrogen Jukebox, and in his newly rele= ased poemusic CD, Beauty Keeps Laying Its Sharp Knife Against Me (LOGOchrysalis)= . LOGOchrysalis Productions is a small literary/musical enterprise founded in 2007 by Brooklyn-based poet/writer and composer/musician Brant Lyon. In the early spring of 2008 LOGOchrysalis debuted its first work, Brant Lyon & Friends=E2=80=99 Beauty Keeps Laying Its Sharp Knife Against Me, a CD anthology o= f eight notable New York City poets performing their poetry set to music composed and performed by Lyon, who also executive produced the album. In this highly eclectic collection, whose music integrates a wide range of genres from hard-driving R&B/funk to ambient/soundscape, an equally far-ranging array of poetic styles and subjects take the listener on a journey from the mid-way of Coney Island to the war-torn jungles of =E2=80=9970s Cambodia to the Dead Sea of Palestine to a ride in a spaceship with alien abductors, and stops in between. LOGOchrysalis expects its second poemusic CD to be published early next year. **Douglas Manson http://www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com http://www.starcherone.blogspot.com/2008/07/doug-manson-interview-on-having= - fallen.html Douglas Manson was born in Akron, Ohio and many years later earned an M.A.=20 in English from Kent State and a Ph.D. in English from The University at=20 Buffalo. He lives in Buffalo as a poet and writer, and publisher of Celery=20 Flute: The Kenneth Patchen Newsletter and little scratch pad editions. He=20 hosted a weekly poetry radio show for a community-based AM station,=20 Inkaudible Poetry Radio from 2004-06. He is a songwriter and guitar player.= =20 Amid an ongoing series of chapbooks, he has most recently published a=20 full-length book of poems, Roofing and Siding (BlazeVOX Books), and the=20 expanded chapbook At Any Point (2008). =20 **Kristianne Meal http://www.artvoice.com/issues/v6n49/guts_guns_and_gusto Kristianne Meal operates Rust Belt Books in Buffalo, N.Y. from 4D=20 frequencies. Her book TwentyTwo, first pallet (Little Scratch Pad Editions)= =20 was published last year. =20 **Sharon Mesmer http://www.thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/2008/= 0 5/getting-to-kn-1.html http://www.jacketmagazine.com/30/fl-mesmer.html Sharon Mesmer is the recipient of two New York Foundation for the Arts=20 fellowships in poetry. Her two recently released poetry collections are The= =20 Virgin Formica (Hanging Loose Press) and Annoying Diabetic Bitch (Combo=20 Books). Her other works include Half Angel, Half Lunch (Hard Press), Vertig= o=20 Seeks Affinities (Belladonna Books), and Crossing Second Avenue (ABJ Books)= .=20 Her work is internationally known including translations and collaborative=20 works. Her work has recently appeared in New American Writing, The Brooklyn= =20 Rail, Van Gogh=E2=80=99s Ear, and Hanging Loose. Her fiction collections are In=20 Ordinary Time and The Empty Quarter (Hanging Loose Press) and Ma Vie =C3=A0=20 Yonago (in French translation from Hachette Litt=C3=A9ratures, France). She=20 teaches at the New School.=20 =20 **Carol Mirakove http://www.factoryschool.com/pubs/heretical/vol2/mirakove/index.html Carol Mirakove was born in Queens and lives in Brooklyn. She is the author=20 of Mediated (Factory School), Occupied (Kelsey St. Press), and, with Jen=20 Benka, 1,138 (Belladonna). Her love of poetry began with deterrence to=20 reading, where the vast space on the page provided comfort. Her favorite=20 things include The Cliks, Caravan of Dreams, and math. Carol is a dog=20 person. =20 **Oak Orchard Swamp (see Jaye Bartell for bio) =20 **kathyrn l. pringle http://www.dusie.org/pringle.html http://www.42opus.com/v6n2/harmony2 kathryn l. pringle is the author of The Stills (Duration Press) and Temper = &=20 Felicity are Lovers (TAXT). Her poems can be read in the Denver Quarterly,=20 Fence, Cold Drill, Dusie, 14 hills, small town, string of small machines,=20 and 580 Split, among others. She edits the literary magazine minor/american= ,=20 and curates the minor/american reading series in Durham, N.C. She has also=20 been known to blog at minor/american, too. =20 **Ariana Reines, Fence/Fence Books http://www.fence.fenceportal.org http://www.fencebooks.fenceportal.org Ariana Reines is the author of The Cow (Alberta Prize, Fence Books) and=20 Coeur de Lion (Mal-O-Mar). Two volumes of translation, of works by Charles=20 Baudelaire and Gris=C3=A9lidis R=C3=A9al, will appear next year from Mal-O-Mar and=20 Semiotext(e), respectively. New York's Foundry Theatre will produce her=20 first play in February 2009. She'll be Holloway Lecturer in Poetry at the=20 University of California at Berkeley this coming spring. Her next Fence boo= k=20 is MERCURY; it will come out sometime. =20 Fence is a biannual journal of poetry, fiction, art, and criticism that has= =20 a mission to redefine the terms of accessibility by publishing challenging=20 writing distinguished by idiosyncrasy and intelligence rather than by=20 allegiance with camps, schools, or cliques. It is part of our press's=20 mission to support writers who might otherwise have difficulty being=20 recognized because their work doesn't answer to either the mainstream or to= =20 recognizable modes of experimentation. Launched in 2001, Fence Books=20 publishes poetry, fiction, critical texts and anthologies, and prioritizes=20 sustained support for its authors, many of whom come to us through our two=20 book contests and then go on to publish second, third, and fourth books. =20 **Tom Savage, Straw Gate Books http://www.leafscape.org/StrawGateBooks With Brainlifts, Tom Savage has published nine books of poetry, his latest=20 arriving this July via Straw Gate Books. After receiving his B.A. at=20 Brooklyn College, Tom then went to India for four years. In 1986 he=20 accompanied Allen Ginsberg and fellow guest poets on a reading tour of=20 Nicaragua. He has been awarded grants from the Fund for Poetry and the=20 Coordinating Council of Literary Magazines. =20 Straw Gate Books, founded by Phyllis Wat in 2005, publishes poetry and=20 occasional related texts. Straw Gate is particularly interested in works by= =20 women and non-polemical writing with an underlying social content. They als= o=20 feature new and long-established authors whose work is under-served. Its=20 books are The Rorschach Factory by Valerie Fox, In Sunsetland With You by=20 Bill Kushner, Heart Stoner Bingo by Stephanie Gray, and Brainlifts by Tom=20 Savage. Forthcoming books include work by Lydia Cortes and Merry Fortune. =20 **Kyle Schlesinger http://www.kyleschlesinger.com Kyle Schlesinger is the author of two books of poetry, Hello Helicopter=20 (BlazeVOX Books) and The Pink (Kenning). He is the co-editor of Mimeo Mimeo= =20 with Jed Birmingham and ON with Thom Donovan and Michael Cross. He will be=20 curating the Monday night reading series at the Poetry Project in 2008-09. =20 **Jessica Smith, Outside Voices http://www.looktouch.com/press Jessica Smith edits Outside Voices press from which her first book, Organic= =20 Furniture Cellar, was released in 2006. She is also editor of Foursquare=20 Magazine. She lives in Buffalo, N.Y. An imprint of Bootstrap Productions (Cambridge, Mass.), Buffalo N.Y.-based=20 Outside Voices publishes poetry & experimental text-based art. **Virna Teixeira, Litmus Press/Aufgabe http://www.papelderascunho.net http://www.litmuspress.org Virna Teixeira was born in Fortaleza, Brazil and has lived in S=C3=A3o Paulo fo= r=20 many years. She is the author of Visita and Dist=C3=A2ncia, and has three books= =20 of translations published=E2=80=94Na Esta=C3=A7=C3=A3o Central Central, a selection of po= ems=20 of the Scottish poet Edwin Morgan; Ovelha Negra, an anthology of Scottish=20 poetry; and Livro Universal by Chilean poet H=C3=A9ctor Hernandez Montecinos.=20 Selections of her poems have been translated and published abroad=E2=80=94Distanc= ia=20 (M=C3=A9xico, Lunarena Editorial) and Fin de Si=C3=A8cle (Editorial Universidad de = La=20 Plata, Argentina)=E2=80=94and she has participated in anthologies of Brazilian=20 poetry in the U.S., Latin America, and Portugal. =20 Litmus Press is a nonprofit literature and arts organization dedicated to=20 supporting innovative, cross-genre writing, with an emphasis on poetry and=20 international works in translation. Litmus press publishes two or three=20 single-author works a year, in addition to Aufgabe, an annual journal of=20 poetry, translations, essays, reviews, and art. =20 **Maureen Thorson=20 http://www.reenhead.com/mole/mole.php Maureen Thorson lives in Washington, D.C., where she practices law and runs= =20 the smallest press in the world, Big Game Books. She is the author of two=20 chapbooks, Novelty Act (Ugly Duckling Press) and Mayport (Poetry Society of= =20 America). Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Exquisite Corpse,=20 Octopus, a Handsome Journal, and the Yale Anthology of Younger American=20 Poetry. =20 **Damian Weber, House Press http://www.housepress.org=20 http://www.housepress.blogspot.com Damian Weber has published 18 books with House Press, including his newest=20 Barkeater, which he will be reading from at the Welcome to Boog City=20 festival. He thinks there should be more readings like this one, and is so=20 excited to see Eileen Myles because he thinks she's the coolest ever and=20 that Chelsea Girls is how more people should write. He met her once at Susa= n=20 Howe's class and she told a story about reading a Kobainer poem at a poetry= =20 slam in Seattle and totally losing. Apparently they're no fun. =20 House Press came together in Buffalo in 2002 as poets inside and outside th= e=20 University at Buffalo started daily and nightly collaborations. That year,=20 they began a workshop at 149 Lisbon, a reading series at Spot Coffee, minte= d=20 the first issue of the magazine Drill, and published their first book, an=20 our-man collaboration/collection. Since then, some members have scattered t= o=20 Chicago, Brooklyn, San Francisco, Albany, St. Louis, and Charlottesville,=20 Va., while others have held down the fort. Drill has morphed into String of= =20 Small Machines (S.F./Chicago), and two other magazines, Spell (Chicago) and= =20 Source Material (Brooklyn), have arisen. Meanwhile, House has put out over=20 two dozen books and a half-dozen CDs. In addition to poetry and music,=20 they've also worked with prose, street art, book art, and film. =20 **Mark Lamoureux, Cy Gist Press=20 http://www.cygistpress.com Mark Lamoureux lives in Astoria, Queens. Spuyten Duyvil/Meeting Eyes Binder= y=20 published his first full-length collection, Astrometry Organon, earlier thi= s=20 year. He is the author of four chapbooks: Traceland, 29 Cheeseburgers, Film= =20 Poems, and City/Temple. His work has appeared in print and online in Carve,= =20 Coconut, Conduit, Denver Quarterly, Fence, GutCult, Jubilat, Lungfull!,=20 Melancholia=E2=80=99s Tremulous Dreadlocks, miPoesias, and Mustachioed, among=20 others. He started Cy Gist Press, a micropress focusing on ekphrastic=20 poetry, in 2006. He is an associate editor for Fulcrum Annual, printed=20 matter editor for Boog City, and teaches English at Kingsborough Community=20 College.=20 Editor Mark Lamoureux started Cy Gist Press in 2006. The press' focus is on= =20 ekphrastic poetry, or works that have a strong visual sensibility. Volumes=20 are handmade in print runs of 100-150, with all design work and printing=20 done in-house by Lamoureux. =20 =20 *Sunday =20 **Ana Bo=C5=BEi=C4=8Devi=C4=87=20 http://www.quoileternite.blogspot.com Ana Bo=C5=BEi=C4=8Devi=C4=87 is a poet living in North Massapequa. She's the author of=20 Document (Octopus Books). =20 **Lee Ann Brown http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Brown.html http://www.epc.buffalo.edu/authors/brown Lee Ann Brown loves to perform. Her books include The Sleep That Changed=20 Everything (Wesleyan University Press) and Polyverse (Sun & Moon Press), th= e=20 latter of which included earlier chapbooks such as a museme (Boog=20 Literature) and Crush (Leave Books). She loves to sing and play with her=20 daughter Miranda, who is beginning kindergarten this fall at The Blue Man=20 Creativity Center, as well as collaborate with her husband, Tony Torn, with= =20 whom she has started The French Broad Institute (of Time and the River) in=20 Marshall, N.C. During the school year she lives in NYC, goes to lots of=20 readings, and teaches poetry at St. John's University. =20 **Tisa Bryant http://www.themagicmakers.blogspot.com/2007/03/tisa-bryant-authorscholar-ti= s a-bryant.html Tisa Bryant makes work that often traverses the boundaries of genre,=20 culture, and history. Her first book, Unexplained Presence (Leon Works), is= =20 a collection of original, hybrid essays that remix narratives from=20 eurocentric film, literature, and visual arts and zoom in on the black=20 presences operating within them. Her writing has appeared or is forthcoming= =20 in a number of places, including Abraham Lincoln, The Believer, 1913: A=20 Journal of Forms, Sustainable Aircraft, and with the paintings of visual=20 artist Laylah Ali. She is also author of the chapbook, Tzimmes (a+bend=20 Press). She is assistant professor of writing at St. John's University,=20 Queens; lives in Crown Heights, Brooklyn; and is a founding editor/publishe= r=20 of the hardcover annual The Encyclopedia Project. =20 **Julia Cohen http://www.onthemessiersideofneat.blogspot.com http://www.pshares.blogspot.com/2007/12/new-voice-1-julia-cohen.html Julia Cohen is the author of three chapbooks, If Fire, Arrival (horse less=20 press), Who Could Forget the Sensational First Evening of the Night (H_NGM_= N=20 B__KS), and, with Mathias Svalina, When We Broke the Microscope (Small Fire= s=20 Press). Her chapbooks The History of a Lake Never Drowns (Dancing Girl=20 Press) and, also with Mathias Svalina, Chugwater (Transmission Press) are=20 forthcoming. Poems have been published in Denver Quarterly, Copper Nickel,=20 Bird Dog, Spinning Jenny, the tiny, MiPOesia, GutCult, and Forklift, Ohio,=20 among others.=20 =20 **John Coletti http://www.fewfurpressrainbow.blogspot.com John Coletti is the author of The New Normalcy (Boog Literature), Physical=20 Kind (Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs), and the forthcoming Same Enemy Rainbow= =20 (fewer & further). He is the editor of The Poetry Project Newsletter.=20 =20 **Jennifer Firestone http://www.asu.edu/pipercwcenter/how2journal/vol_3_no_2/mentoring/interview= _ firestone_myles.html Jennifer Firestone is the co-editor of Letters To Poets: Conversations Abou= t=20 Poetics, Politics, and Community (Saturnalia Books), forthcoming in October= .=20 She is the author of Holiday (Shearsman Books), Waves (Portable Press at=20 Yo-Yo Labs), and From Flashes and snapshot (Sona Books). Her work has=20 appeared in HOW2, LUNGFULL!, Xcp: Streetnotes, Fourteen Hills, Dusie, 580=20 Split, and Saint Elizabeth Street, among others. She is an assistant=20 professor teaching poetry at Eugene Lang College at The New School for=20 Liberal Arts, and lives in Brooklyn with her husband and their infant twins= . =20 **Corrine Fitzpatrick http://www.chax.org/eoagh/issue3/issuethree/fitzpatrick.html http://www.brooklynrail.org/2006/11/poetry/poetry-by-corrine-fitzpatrick Corrine Fitzpatrick is the author of Zamboanguena and On Melody Dispatch.=20 She is in the M.F.A. program at Bard College and is the program coordinator= =20 for The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church. =20 **Edward Foster http://www.stevens.edu/provost/academics/undergraduate/faculty_profile1.php= ? faculty_id=3D905 http://www.lightmillennium.org/2005_15th/edfoster_fbingul_interview.html Ed Foster=E2=80=99s recent books include What He Ought To Know: New and Selected=20 Poems (Marsh Hawk Press) and A History of the Common Scale. Described by on= e=20 critic as "the epitome of the poet/scholar," he is the author of numerous=20 volumes of literary criticism and history but is better know for his poetry= ,=20 characterized by "sureness of register, intelligence of arrangement,=20 delicacy of emotional patterning, elegance of effect" says Verse magazine.=20 The founding editor of Talisman House Publishers, he is a professor of=20 history and an associate dean in the College of Arts and Letters at the=20 Stevens Institute of Technology. =20 **Yoko Kikuchi http://www.yokokikuchi.com http://www.dreambitches.org Yoko Kikuchi writes songs to play solo, as well as being the main songwrite= r=20 for Dream Bitches. She has one solo release, Songs I Wrote For You, and is=20 working on releasing a solo triple-album in the fall. Dream Bitches has two= =20 albums=E2=80=94Sanfransisters (Olive Juice Music) and Coke-and-Spiriters=20 (Recommended If You Like Records). As well as recording her own projects,=20 Kikuchi appears as a backing vocalist/harmony composer on a number of=20 recordings by talented artists including Dan Fishback, Phoebe Kreutz, Dibs,= =20 Casey Holford, Josh Malamy, and Andrew Phillip Tipton. She also=20 performs/guest stars in a number of groups, most notably the Kreutzenjammer= =20 Kids, Piaf the Eiffel Tower, and The Leader. =20 **Amy King http://www.amyking.org Amy King is the author of I'm the Man Who Loves You and Antidotes for an=20 Alibi (BlazeVOX Books), and, most recently, Kiss Me With the Mouth of Your=20 Country (Dusie Press). She is the moderator for the Poetics List and the=20 Women's Poetry Listserv, and teaches English and creative writing at Nassau= =20 Community College. She is currently editing an anthology, The Urban Poetic,= =20 forthcoming from Factory School. =20 **Rachel Levitsky http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/2008/02/dim-sum-rachel-levitsky.html http://www.chax.org/eoagh/issue3/issuethree/levitsky.html Rachel Levitsky is the author of Under the Sun (Futurepoem books) and five=20 poetry chapbooks. She has written several poetry plays, three of which (one= =20 of them with Camille Roy) have been performed in New York and San Francisco= .=20 Recently her work was translated into Icelandic for the anthology 131.839=20 Sl=C3=B6g Med Bilum by Eir=C3=ADkur =C3=96rn Nordahl. Online poetry and critical essays= can=20 be found at Delirious Hem, Narrativity, Duration Press, How2, and Web=20 Conjunctions, among others. She is the founder and co-director of=20 Belladonna*, an event and publication series of feminist avant-garde=20 poetics. =20 **Timothy Liu http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/114 Timothy Liu has two new books of poetry forthcoming, Bending the Mind Aroun= d=20 the Dream=E2=80=99s Blown Fuse (Talisman House Press) and Polytheogamy (Saturnali= a=20 Books). He lives in Manhattan. =20 **Eileen Myles http://www.eileenmyles.com http://www.eileenmyles.net Eileen Myles was born in Cambridge, Mass. in 1949, and moved to New York=20 City in 1974 to be a poet. Since then she has written produced, performed,=20 and edited more than 20 plays, libretti, films books of poetry, and fiction= ,=20 most recently Sorry, Tree. Importance of Being Iceland (essays) and The=20 Inferno, a poet's novel, are forthcoming. She lives and writes in New York. =20 **Mendi Lewis Obadike=20 http://www.blacknetart.com Mendi Lewis Obadike is the author of Armor and Flesh: Poems and the librett= o=20 for the internet opera The Sour Thunder. The Whitney Museum of American Art= ,=20 Yale University, and the New York African Film Festival and Electronic Arts= =20 Intermix, are among the institutions that have commissioned her text-based=20 new media art. She received a Rockefeller New Media Award to develop=20 TaRonda, Who Wore White Gloves, an opera which explores black codes of=20 conduct. She developed Four Electric Ghosts (an opera based on Amos=20 Tutuola's novel My Life in the Bush of Ghosts and the video game Pac-Man) i= n=20 Toni Morrison's Atelier at Princeton in the fall of 2005. Mendi lives and=20 works with her husband Keith in the New York metropolitan area. =20 **Simon Pettet http://www.jacketmagazine.com/29/leddy-pettet.html http://www.jacketmagazine.com/25/pett-berr-iv.html Simon Pettet is an internationally renowned English-born poet and long-time= =20 Lower East Side resident. His most recent book of poems is the=20 much-acclaimed More Winnowed Fragments (Talisman House Press). Hearth=E2=80=94New= =20 and Selected Poems is due from the same publisher later in the fall. He is=20 also the author of two classic collaborations with photographer-filmmaker,=20 Rudy Burckhardt, Conversations About Everything and Talking Pictures, and=20 edited the Art Writings of the Pulitzer-prize-winning New York School poet=20 James Schuyler. "Like Beethoven's Bagatelles", John Ashbery has written,=20 =E2=80=9CSimon Pettet's short poems have a great deal to say, and their seeming=20 modest dimensions help rather than hinder his saying it.=E2=80=9D =20 **Nick Piombino http://www.argotistonline.co.uk/Piombino%20interview.htm http://www.nickpiombino.blogspot.com Nick Piombino guest edited OCHO 14. He opened his ongoing weblog fait=20 accompli in February 2003. His latest books are fait accompli (Factory=20 School) and Free Fall (Otoliths), a collage novel containing over 150=20 full-color images. Contradicta, with illustrations by Toni Simon is due thi= s=20 fall from Green Integer. =20 **Meghan Punschke http://www.megpunschke.com Meghan Punschke is the author of Stratification (BlazeVOX Books). She=20 resides in New York City, and has an M.F.A. in poetry from The New School.=20 She is the curator and host of Word of Mouth, a reading series dedicated to= =20 poets and fiction/non-fiction writers. She is also the managing editor for=20 the literary journal Oranges & Sardines. Her poetry was nominated for a=20 Pushcart Prize in 2007, and it can be found in MiPO, No Tell Motel, Coconut= ,=20 Sawbuck, and OCHO, among others.=20 =20 **Christopher Stackhouse=20 http://www.readab.com/cstackhouse.html Christopher Stackhouse is the author of the poetry collection Slip=20 (Corollary Press) and co-author of Seismosis (1913 Press), which features a= =20 collaboration of Stackhouse's drawings with text by writer/author/professor= =20 John Keene. He is a Cave Canem Writers Fellow, and, a 2005 Fellow in Poetry= =20 from the New York Foundation for the Arts. He has recently successfully=20 completed studies, granting him an M.F.A. in writing/interdisciplinary=20 studies from Bard College in 2009. =20 **Mathias Svalina http://www.mathiassvalina.blogspot.com Mathias Svalina is a co-editor of Octopus Magazine and Octopus Books. He is= =20 the author of the chapbooks Why I Am White (Kitchen Press), Creation Myths=20 (New Michigan Press), and The Viral Lease (Small Anchor Press). He is the=20 co-author of the collaboratively written chapbooks Or Else What, Asked the=20 Flame, with Paula Cisewski (SC Press), When We Broke the Microscope (Small=20 Fires Press), and Chugwater (Transmission Press), which were both written=20 with Julia Cohen. His first book, Destruction Myth, is forthcoming from=20 Cleveland State University Press next year. =20 **Stacy Szymaszek http://www.lemonhound.blogspot.com/2008/04/autoportraits-conversation-with-= s tacy.html Stacy Szymaszek is the author of Emptied of All Ships and the forthcoming=20 Hyperglossia (both Litmus Press). She recently published her faux=20 coming-of-age tale Orizaba: A Voyage with Hart Crane (Faux Press). Her=20 passion for Crane is so real. She is the artistic director of the Poetry=20 Project at St. Mark's Church. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 02:02:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Copyright Infringement or Collage? In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0809061239y53859ee3qdccad19a2955e9ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > One can see here the deep antagonism between the writing/creative process > and the world in which that work wishes to or ends up being placed. Well said. And this thread is generally quite well done. It's also true that there is a whole code within art distinguishable from but related to legal issues concerning what is acceptable, what is interesting (and so on) concerning appropriation. But I wonder how these play in such a political climate? The Bush administration's route to independence from foreign oil has largely been to appropriate it, to steal it. From Iraq. Yet that is not really widely acknowledged in the west. Such a climate of denial and doublespeak surely gets into the bones in how related issues in art appropriation are dealt with. There *are* moral issues involved in appropriation. Not simply legal issues, though the moral issues underpin the legal issues. They are complex issues, certainly, but they will not go away. Moral issues never do. And those issues would obtain in any world worth living in. That said, the issues of appropriation are crucial to contemporary art, given, say, the explosion of materials on the internet and the proliferation of creative tools to search and work with that material. These tools, at least the good ones, the interesting ones, tend to be less involved in 'collage' as 'synthesis'. As in the 'synthesizer', whether it's synthesizing texts or sounds or graphics or videos or combinations thereof. Beyond 'remix' or 'collage'. ja http://vispo.com/dbcinema/meditations.htm ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:59:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Looking for Haris Vlavianos email In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyone in the list who knows Greek poet Haris Vlavianos ? I seek some help regarding translation from Greek preferably from a Greek language poet. Any help will be deeply appreciated. Please backchannel. Thanks Aryanil Mukherjee ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:50:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: A Note for Foreign Writer's Visiting India In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This link was forwarded to me by veteran Hungry Generation poet Malay Roy Choudhury. Thought of sharing with the listserv. http://www.thoughts.com/fana/blog/foreign-writers-visiting-calcutta-145848/ Aryanil ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:44:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Paul Siegell Subject: new, free, online: JAM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" friends, just out from ungovernable press: JAM> http://www.scribd.com/doc/5482980/JAM a note from Lars, the publisher: "this is, among other things, a short st= udy in some ways of using the printed page... an extended jam-session ranging= from WCW-spoofs to political rage. this feels like improvisation, but a closer look reveals that it's not." (...it's on goodreads, too) enjoy the week ahead, paul> http://paulsiegell.blogspot.com/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:15:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: susan maurer Subject: surprise.. poetry in penn station MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was really plesased to see that in nyc's penn station there are several w= alss tiled with pictures and delicious quotes of poetry. They are on the pa= rt for NJ transit. My fav of the ones i saw was by daniella gioseffa. hot m= e at jsut the right moment. thanks daniella and do all peek at these walls.= susan maurer _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:12:42 -0700 Reply-To: atieger@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: aaron tieger Subject: Catherine Meng's DOKUMENT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friends, Petrichord Books is pleased to announce the publication of DOKUMENT, a new = chapbook by Catherine Meng. In a sequence populated by iconic figures ranging from Peachy Peach and Glenn Gould to Bon Jovi and someone called Bullet, Meng writes a fragmentary lyricism informed by her=A0 Philip Roth epigraph: "It's impossible to report anything faithfully other than one's own temperature; everything is allegory." A sample of DOKUMENT by Catherine Meng: DOKUMENT 10=A0=A0=A0=A0 THE MY OF IT talking to Peachy Peach about the block of time & sick from kissing likewize & out of folkus trying but crimping the script ad-lib ensued so all the cars had a line Bullet said something about how the price of gasoline equals the end of sharing chorus: guffaw Bullet: Starbucks had something to do with it chorus: guffaw the poets: taste great less guffaw Glenn Gould: over easy please Tracy: 4 phun give glen some funky yolk DOKUMENT costs $6, and can be purchased online via paypal at http://petrichord.com/titles.php or by cash or check (made payable to AARON TIEGER) sent to: 67 Rice St. #1 Cambridge, MA 02140 Upcoming from Petrichord in 2008: SUMMER POEMS by Aaron Tieger END NOTEBOOK by Geoffrey Olsen OUT ANOTHER by Michael Carr RECENTLY CLOUDS by Jess Mynes and Aaron Tieger Thank you, Aaron Tieger Editor, Petrichord Books=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:23:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: Chicago: Series A This Wednesday, Borzutsky and Severin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Please come to Series A this coming Wednesday for another great literary reading. August 26, 7:00-8:00 p.m. Melissa Severin Daniel Borzutsky The reading takes place at the Hyde Park Art Center at 5020 S. Cornell, Chicago, IL (Hyde Park). Parking is available, and it is easy to access from both Metra and CTA. BYOB. Visit http://www.moriapoetry.com/seriesa.html for more information. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:27:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Allegrezza Subject: Series A Chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Correction: The reading will take place Sept 10, this Wednesday, not August. Bill ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:37:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sarah Sarai Subject: Re: call for submissions: Monday Night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain The worldwide Christian Scientist gay/lesbian contingent is "Emergence." = It's so perfectly=20 C.S. to call it that, so vaguely bodiless. Coming out isn't a one-shot d= eal. It has to be=20 done over and over. As poems are submitted over and over.=20=20 All poets are merging, with contemporaries and pasts and futures. I lear= ned to merge in=20 Drivers Ed.=20=20 But please think of me a a reemerging writer. It's a total pretense--but= I think back to=20 my swimming years, reemerging from the Pacific as the tide tries to draw = me down. Steve, I would have though you'd question "submit" and not "emerging."=20= =20=20 Sarah Sarai http://www.myspace.com/sarahsarai In response to: <<<<<<< i would still like the definition of an emerging writer please On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:19:45 -0700 Jessica Wickens writes: > Please forward far and wide... >=20 > Monday Night, a journal of literature and art, is now accepting=20 > submissions > for Issue 8 (Summer 2009). We publish quality prose and poetry from=20 > new and > emerging writers from across the country and around the world.=20 > Monday Night > is distributed at independent bookstores and sold on our website.=20 > For more > information and to view past issues, visit our website: > http://www.mondaynightlit.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:00:45 -0700 Reply-To: martha cinader mims Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: martha cinader mims Subject: Please join the discussion on Tuesday night at 8pm PST Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 8-9pm PST Listen & Be Heard Network Radio Call-in: A time for arts =20 professionals of all kinds to discuss issues facing all of us, and ways to create creative prosperity. Call-in Number: (718) 506-1481 You can listen to the show and also try the"click to talk" feature by =20= going to the following url at 8pm: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/listenandbeheard/2008/09/10/Listen-Be-=20 Heard-Arts-Networking The podcast will be archived at http://www.listenandbeheard.net If you can't participate at the time of the show but would like to =20 contribute your thoughts, you can leave your comments on the Listen & Be Heard =20 Network Bulletin Board before showtime: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/listenandbeheard/bbpress Whatever field of the arts that you may be participating in, a major =20 challenge for all creators today is to make their activities viable. You may =20 make a living, want to make a living, or not care about making a living in =20 the arts. If you are serious about your craft, you want it to come to fruition. =20= You need the time, resources and tools to make it possible to produce that =20 play, publish that book, organize that concert or poetry reading. My experiences have told me that I am more fringe than mainstream =20 with my creative presentations. My work has run the gamut from written words, =20= spoken words, theatre, storytelling, mixing poetry with live music, dance =20 music, creating mixed new media and more to come. The part about =91more to =20 come=92 is not in doubt. Whether there will be any financial gain in it is open to question. Whether finances will ultimately prevent me from expressing =20= myself is never open to question. The creative work will be done, but the road =20 ultimately travelled is certainly determined by whether there is a toll booth, =20 and how much I have to pay. There are many opportunities for us to compete with each other. =20 Competition seems to be the thing in television entertainment these days, and I =20 see it reflected widely in our culture. How often do the participants have a =20= say in the structure of the framework within which they are being presented, =20= whether it=92s the stage, the gallery or the printed word? How useful are they =20= to us? Please share your ideas with us all by calling in on Tuesday night =20 between 8pm and 9pm California Time. The Listen & Be Heard Network Bulletin Board is a place where we can =20 work constructively together to examine the framework within which we all =20 work. Your comments and e-mails, your participation in mailing lists, are all =20 ways to give input; but that input is spread around the network, minimizing its =20 impact. A bulletin board creates a central area for discussions to take place. =20 The forums and topics will be determined by the participants. What follows =20 should be constructive conversation that leads to actions which help us all to =20 thrive as arts professionals. Martha Cinader Mims Listen & Be Heard Network editor@listenandbeheard.net http://www.listenandbeheard.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:52:30 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: AWAREing Press Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: <002801c91062$b768d4f0$0201a8c0@ENITHARMON> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "All of them, all of them witches." You seem to have covered the territory with this one, Daniel! Kudos. James Beach -------------- Original message from Daniel Zimmerman = : --------------=20 > How about anagrams?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Name as Fate=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sarah Palin,=20 >=20 > alas, ran hip.=20 >=20 > Hi, anal raps,=20 >=20 > phrasal ani!=20 >=20 > Hair's a plan:=20 >=20 > a sharp nail=20 >=20 > Sharia plan,=20 >=20 > a plain, rash=20 >=20 > anal parish.=20 >=20 > Ah, saran lip=20 >=20 > in a rash lap!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Daniel Zimmerman=20 >=20 > 9.6.2008=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Murat Nemet-Nejat"=20 > To:=20 > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:55 PM=20 > Subject: Re: request to all formalists=20 >=20 >=20 > > lap-in.=20 > >=20 > > Ciao,=20 > >=20 > > Murat=20 > >=20 > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jim Andrews wrote:=20 > >=20 > >> > > anybody out there have a good palindrome about Palin? or even a=20 > >> > palinode?=20 > >>=20 > >> no, but there's a tie in with the 'hockey mom' thread. coinciding with= =20 > >> palin's rise, an ahl pro hockey team is going to start up in alaska. a= =20 > >> new=20 > >> arena is going to be built for it. they're calling it the palin dome.= =20 > >>=20 > >> ja=20 > >> http://vispo.com=20 > >>=20 > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 > >> guidelines=20 > >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=20 > >>=20 > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check=20 > > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.htm= l=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es &=20 > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:52:32 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: George Eliot meets John Cage Comments: To: UK POETRY , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" Comments: cc: J Skinner , Sandra Phillips MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =93...If we had a keen vision of all that is ordinary in human life, it would be like hearing the grass grow or the squirrel=92s heart beat, and we should die of that roar which is the other side of silence.=94=A0 George= Eliot=A0 (Source?) I suspect John Cage would have loved this quote. I certainly do. As I suspe= ct some other 'listeners' here, too.=20 It was quoted=A0 by Prof. Charles Liu in his honors class at CUNY as report= ed in a story in today's NY Times. Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:42:09 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? Comments: To: Barbara Henning In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Barbara, for this. In thinking more about 'simulation', I suspect one can say 'simulation' is a form of 'self-appropriation' - that is, each occurrence absolutely mimics its previous manifestation without any response to its new environment. As say, the way a Marriot Hotel will architecturally mimic other Marriot Hotels - the company logo is repeated in the architectural shape of the roof and repeated on the napkins, etc.=20 Or suddenly, among certain Evangelical sects, we will see Sarah Palin 'simulins' inundating the Fox Network news! Will Palin sue for copyright or brand infringement? Hardly.=20 Appropriation, as you use it, is characterized by mutiple multiple shading of 'the original' in ways that either take us to new angles/places, or cause the fresh critique of 'the original'=A0 -=A0 if there is such a thing.=20 Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ =20 --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Barbara Henning wrote: From: Barbara Henning Subject: Re: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? To: steph484@pacbell.net, "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 8:27 PM Steven, For me--I can't speak for Burroughs or anyone else--to appropriate is =20 part of a transformation of a text I'm working on, almost like adding =20 a new voice to the conversation and watching what happens to meaning, =20 narrative, flow of text. . . there's a transformation that occurs in =20 my thinking and in the writing. A dialogic. I think with "simulation" =20 we're in a different set of categories. To appropriate or to work with collage is to multiply, to open up =20 possibilities. To represent, to simulate is more about the =20 replacement of the whole and then perhaps the replacement becomes the =20 original. So I guess if you are appropriating an entire text, then =20 this could be simulating . . . then you have a simulation and if it's =20 picked up and copied again and again... well then perhaps simulacra. But for me, appropriation is simpler -- we're in dialogue with writers =20 and artists and others from before and now -- and we take up their =20 words and characters and images and lines in the same way we take up =20 the language we were born into, in dialogue, not like robots. And we =20 don't always footnote and document everything (unless we want to) and =20 then we keep going with our writing and our work... Of course, some =20 conceptual interventions might want to do just that--replace the whole =20 with something similar, almost the same, but not quite that--as a =20 political move or just to do it... But then would it be an =20 appropriation? Barb On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > Thank you, Barbara, for the Burroughs "re-it." > > > > What is the difference between 'simulation' and 'appropriation' as a =20 > technique? > > > > Stephen V > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > > > --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Barbara Henning wrote: > From: Barbara Henning > Subject: URGENT - Copyright Infringement or Collage? > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 9:15 PM > > Regarding Copyright Infringement or Collage? > > I think of it as the art of appropriation... I really like Burrough's > essay "Les Voleurs" on this topic. Here it is. I'm > appropriating it > into this conversation.... > > Barbara Henning > > > > =93Les Voleurs=94, William Burroughs > > Writers work with words and voices just as painters work with colors; > and where do these words and voices come from? Many sources: > conversations heard and overheard, movies and radio broadcasts, > newspapers, magazines, yes, and other writers; a phrase comes into the > mind from an old western story ina pulp magazine read years ago, can=92t > remember where or when: =93he looked at her, trying to read her mind--- > but her eyes were old, unbluffed, unreadable.=94 That=92s one that I =20 > lifted. > > The County Clerk sequence in Naked Lunch derived form contact with the > County Clerk in Cold Spring, Texas. it was in fact an elaboration of > his monologue, which seemed merely boring at the time, since I didn=92t > know yet that I was a writer. In any case there wouldn=92t have been any > Country Clerk if I had been sitting on my ass waiting for my =93very own > words.=94 You=92ve all met the ad man who is going to get out of the rat > race, shut himself up in a cabin, and write the Great American Novel. > I alwyas tell him, =93Don=92t cut your input, B.J.=97you might need it.= =94 So > > many times I have been stuck on a story line, can=92t see where it will > go from here; then someone drops around and tells me about fruiteating > fish in Brazil. I got a whole chapter out of that. Or I buy a book > to read on the plane, and there is the answer; and there=92s a nice > phrase, too. =93sweetly inhuman voices.=94 I had a dream about such > voices before I read The Big Jump by Leigh Brackett, and found that > phrase. > > Look at the surrealist moustache on the Mona Lisa. Just a silly joke? > Consider where this joke can lead. I had been working with Malcolm > McNeill for five years on an illustrated book entitled Ah Pook Is > Here, and we used the same idea: Hieronymus Bosch as the background > for scenes and characters taken form the Mayan codices and transformed > into modern counterparts. That face in the Mayan Dresden Codex will be > the barmaid in this scene, and we can use the Vulture God over here. > Bosch, Michaelangelo, Renoir, Monet, Picasso=97steal anything in sight. > You want a certain light on your scene? Lift it from Monet. You want > a 1930=92s backdrop? Use Hopper. > > The same applies to writing. Joseph Conrad did some superb descriptive > passages on jungles, water, weather; why not use them verbatim as > background in a novel set in the tropics? Continuity by so-and-so, > description and background footage from Conrad. And of course you can > kidnap someone else=92s characters and put them in a different set. > The whole gamut of painting, writing, music, film, is yours to use. > Take Molly Bloom=92s soliloquy adn gie it to your heroine. It happens > all the time anyway; how may times have we had romeo and Juliet served > up to us, and Camille grossed forty million in The Young Lovers. So > let=92s come out in the open with it and steal freely. > > Brion Gysin carried the technique further in an unpublished scene from > his novel The Process. He took a section of dialogue verbatim from a > science fiction novel and used it in a similar scene. (The science > fiction novel, appropriately, concerned a mad scientist who devised a > black hole into which he disappeared.) I was, I confess, slightly > shocked by such overt and traceable plagiarism. I had not quite > abandoned the fetish of originality, though of course the whole > sublime concept of total theft isimplicit in cut-ups and montage. > > > You see, I had been conditioned to the idea of words as property=97one=92= s > =93very own words=94 =96 and conseuqnetly to ad eep repubnance fo the black > sin of plagiarism. Originality was the great virtue. I recall a boy > who was caught out copying an essay froma a magazine article, adn this > horrible case discussed in whispers . . . for the first time the dark > word =93plagiarism=94 impinged on my consciousness. Why, ina Jack London > story, a writer shoots himself when he finds out that he has, without > knowing it, plagiarized another writer=92s work. He did not have the > courage to be a writer. Fortunately, I was made of sterner or at least > more adjustable stuff. > > Brion pointed out to me that I had been stealing for years: =93Where did > that come from=97=91Eyes, old, unbluffed, unreadable=92? And that > =97=91inflexible authority=92? And that=97=91arty type, no principles=92 And > that=97 > and that=97and that? He looked at me sternly. > > =93Vous =EAtes un voleur honteux . . . a closet thief.=94 so we drew up a > manifesto . . . > > Les Voleurs > > Out of the closet and into the museums, libraries, architectural > monuments, concert halls, bookstores, recoding studios and film > studios of the world. Everything belongs to the inspired and dedicated > thief. All the artists of history, from cave painters to Picasso, all > the poets and writers, the musicians and architects, offer their > wares, importuning him like street vendors. They supplicate him from > the bored minds of school children, from the prisons of uncritical > veneration, from dead museums and dusty archives. Sculptors stretch > forth their limestone arms to receive the life-giving transfusion of > flesh as their severed limbs are grafted onto Mister America. Mais le > voleur n=92est pas press=E9=96 the thief is in no hurry. He must assure > himself of the quality of the merchandise and its suitability for his > purpose before he conveys the supreme honor and benediction of his > theft. > > Words, colors, light, sounds, stone, wood, bronze belong to the living > artist. They belong to anyone who can use them. Loot the Louvre! A bas > l=92 originalit=E9, the serile and assertive ego that imprisons as it > creates. Vive le vol=97pure, shameless, total. We are not responsible. > Steal anything in sight. > > > > >> >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check =20 > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:28:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: call for submissions: Monday Night In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm a merging writer. I merge traditions together in my work and then try to force my way into oncoming traffic much to the chagrin of poets who actually know how to drive. Elizabeth Kate Switaj www.elizabethkateswitaj.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:33:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Joel Lewis Subject: Re: surprise.. poetry in penn station In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline dear susan -- thanks for noticing -- I got a call a number of years ago from the artist who got the commission from NJT who had come across my NJ poet's anthology Bluestones & Salt Hay asking whereabouts of poets he was interested in using. I agree, the realization is great (especially when the working parts work) and toimagine Amiri, WCW and Whitman all on display hopefully warping the minds of my fellow commuters joel lewis On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:15 AM, susan maurer wrote: > I was really plesased to see that in nyc's penn station there are several > walss tiled with pictures and delicious quotes of poetry. They are on the > part for NJ transit. My fav of the ones i saw was by daniella gioseffa. hot > me at jsut the right moment. thanks daniella and do all peek at these walls. > susan maurer > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:15:20 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Update: the Poets' Corner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Poetry is the great art of constructing transcendental health. Hence the poet is the transcendental physician. [122] *Novalis, **Pollen and Fragments,* translated by Arthur Versluis (Phanes Press, 1989) Forwarded by James Finnegan and archived under What is poetry? *New Poets* * * *rob mclennan * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D291 * * * *Eric Elshtain * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D292 * * * *Hank Lazer * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D293 * * * *Christopher Flynn * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D294 * * * *Nico Vassilakis * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D295 * * * *Jessica Fiorini * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D296 * * * *J.P. Dancing Bear * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D297 * * * *Meg Withers * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D298 * * * *Susana Gardner * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D299 * * * *Br. Tom Murphy * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D300 * * * *Jordan Stempleman * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D301 * * * *Edward Mycue * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D302 * * * *Jennifer Stewart * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D303 * * * *Hazel Smith * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D304 * * * *Zo=EB Skoulding * * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D305 * * * *New Work by already Featured Poets* * * *Alan Sondheim:* fragment http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2353 while now new emanents move, submerged http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2354 who are you doing it with http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2355 moss http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2417 *Carol Novak* PICNIC http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2364 *Tad Richards* And his continuous poetic thriller/saga : situations http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D67 *Daniel Zimmerman* reality Czech http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2385 *Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino* 3 Poems http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2386 The Logoclasody Manifesto http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2387 *David Bircumshaw* August the 6th http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2388 Mr W.S '68 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2389 *Didi Menendez* Bob Griese Was Cute http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2400 Speed http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2401 Pulling Out the Weeds http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2402 His Left Eye http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2403 * * * * *Under Poets on Poets* *Jon Corelis' Hippolytos by Euripides* is on the Poets' Corner in its new revised version, see the link here: http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/hippolytos.pdf *Katherine Durham Oldmixon* translates her poem Spanish Plums into Spanish http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D240 Translated into Italian by my (AB) *Michele Pierri* and his Anthology, edited by his son *Giuseppe Pierri,* translated by me (AB): http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetsonpoets&pa=3Dlist_pages_c= ategories&cid=3D82 With my best wishes, Anny Ballardini --=20 Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html Letters to Nowhere =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:09:56 -0700 Reply-To: rcmgt@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rosalie Calabrese Subject: Re: request to all formalists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PALIN =96 A PALINDROME =A0 Parading her antithetical views About social issues Like abortion, guns, and censorship, Is she in line to be Vice President, Not President of Vice? =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Rosal= ie Calabrese =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:04:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: GREAT UNIVERSES! (good one for Poetics to post - Alan) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed GREAT UNIVERSES! The Great Universes Stretch To The Sky! Do Observe The Excitement Reigns! Angels Would Be In Ecstasy To See Such Things! Humans! Admire Your Creator! Uncanny Events Sully The North East South West Skies! North East West South Spells NEWS Of An Amazing Sort! We Do Now Observe That God Observes Our Wondrous Creation! God! Pray To Us Who Conquer Thee In Perfect Recompense! Wherever We Look A Universe Begins! Wherever We Do Not Look A Universe Comes to An End! Of The Proofs There Are Many! Of The Rites Of Visitation There Are Multitudes! Worlds Of Fabulous Excitement! Lands Of Fun and Ecstasy! Organic Orgasm And Organs! Pinwheels Of Universal Stars! Make A Visit You Will Never Regret! A Visit Of A Lifetime! A Visit Of Unforgettable Memories! Come to http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 ! Do Not Delay! Hesitate No Longer! The Great Universes Stretch To The Sky! http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle.mp4 http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle01.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle02.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle03.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle04.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle05.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle06.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle07.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle08.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle09.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle10.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle11.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle12.jpg ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:47:07 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: Re: GREAT UNIVERSES! (good one for Poetics to post - Alan) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Astounding work! This and the "Infinite post - "And this is what I meant by _flattening,_ the flat world " - Peter Ciccariello On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > GREAT UNIVERSES! > > > The Great Universes Stretch To The Sky! > Do Observe The Excitement Reigns! > Angels Would Be In Ecstasy To See Such Things! > Humans! Admire Your Creator! > Uncanny Events Sully The North East South West Skies! > North East West South Spells NEWS Of An Amazing Sort! > We Do Now Observe That God Observes Our Wondrous Creation! > God! Pray To Us Who Conquer Thee In Perfect Recompense! > Wherever We Look A Universe Begins! > Wherever We Do Not Look A Universe Comes to An End! > Of The Proofs There Are Many! > Of The Rites Of Visitation There Are Multitudes! > Worlds Of Fabulous Excitement! > Lands Of Fun and Ecstasy! > Organic Orgasm And Organs! Pinwheels Of Universal Stars! > Make A Visit You Will Never Regret! > A Visit Of A Lifetime! A Visit Of Unforgettable Memories! > Come to http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 ! > Do Not Delay! Hesitate No Longer! > The Great Universes Stretch To The Sky! > > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle.mp4 > > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle01.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle02.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle03.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle04.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle05.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle06.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle07.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle08.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle09.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle10.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle11.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/rolle12.jpg > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:08:13 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: blacksox@ATT.NET Subject: Wednesday, Sept 10, Judy Copeland, Kerouac Writer in Residence reads at Soft Exposure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This Wednesday's featured writer will be Judy Copeland, the current writer in residence at the Kerouac House. The location is Infusion Tea, College Park, 1600 Edgewater Drive, Orlando. Open mic signup starts at 6:30, and the reading starts at 7. Come on out to listen and share your words! Judy Copeland is a California attorney who left the law to backpack around Oceania, Asia, and Africa, staying with families she met along the way. Her travel stories have appeared in the Florida Review, Literal Latte, Water~Stone Review, New Millennium Writings, and Travelers' Tales anthologies. She holds an MFA in creative nonfiction from the University of Iowa. Judy's wanderlust began early. A child of missionaries, she grew up in Fukuoka, Japan, where she used to run away from home every few days, just for the thrill of getting lost in a big city. By the age of three, she had grown accustomed to policemen catching her and taking her home. While at the Kerouac House, Judy will work on stories about her childhood in Fukuoka in the 1950s. Thanks Russ Golata ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:01:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: <728726.76119.qm@web82608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Stephen: you write: Fascinating to see Palin introduce paramilitary terms as birth names. In addition to "Trig" one can soon imagine, if not already found in the backwoods and urban ghettoes: AKA, Colt, Hummer, Board (short for "Water B...), M6, etc. (You need to read more recent issues of Soldier of Fortune and get the gun names right, even the old ones--) Having grown up mainly in the backwoods of Vermont and lived the last seven years in the "Crack Alley" section of the West Central City of Milwaukee, I find this knee-jerk stereotyping to be the kind of "profiling" used by the police who protect gated communities and "good citizens," from these backwoods and ghetto "scum, and with the use of quite some force, too! Protesters are handled badly by the police for a few days--the rural and urban poor their whole lives. You see, it is the other way round--the paramilitary are used to protect the Good from the Bad and the Ugly. Do you think that such force would have been used against "nice people" as was used against the "trash" at the polygamous community recently? Where does the true violence--economic, structural, cultural as well as military-- come from in this society but from the educated, upper and middle classes, the research universities, think tanks, the interlocking networks of corporate-state-"intellectual property" facilities, organizations, agendas, the lobbies who affect not only foreign policy but what is taught in schools, what presses are allowed, what is shown in the media, what is and is not allowed to be discussed in any kind of rational manner, if barely at all. Everyday, excruciatingly, one finds the bandwidth of what is thought, allowed to be thought, allowed to be written or said, growing narrower and narrower in the USA. The "Poetic" concept of separation of referent from reference is "realized" daily in the news, in which words and things are separated so no one will "see the connection" between events, ideas, persons, places. "The artifice of Absorption" functions at this level as the opacity of media presenting a "united front"--a seamless series of "reports," images, soundtracks, edited into discrete series and cycles, in which the reader indeed is "allowed to create their own meanings" out of this limited set of "key words,' "interactive charts and slide shows," "options and choices." Since very little is offered to work with, there is not much danger of their being any wild divagation in the results obtained. In the first lines of his Introduction to Torture: Cancer of Democracy France and Algeria 1954-62, Pierre Vidal-Naquet asks "Can a great nation, liberal by tradition, allows its institutions, its army, and its system of justice to degenerate over the span of a few years as a result of the use of torture, and by its concealment and deception of such a vital issue call the whole Western concept of human dignity and the rights of the individual into question?" The answer to this is most emphatically--yes. The issue of torture isn't raised by any candidate, nor the treatment of persons in detention camps and shuttled among local prisons, without medical care, until they die, as recently happened to yet another detainee in the "Gitmos Across America." The treatment of American prisoners in the enormous and ever more privatized prison system has degenerated steadily, as have the conditions within the prisons themselves. Illegal aliens are hired to work in substandard conditions, then arrested en masse and shoved into places unfit often for animals. Human liberty, the freedom of the individual, ideas which generated Revolutions political and cultural and inspired poets, including the Shelley who called Poets the Unacknowledged Legislators of the World--all these things seem to have fallen by the wayside in the rush for Security and in the "critique of the self," which usually is a critique of others' selves, that is, those who are less enlightened than the ones charged with the mission of critique. Often what one "points a finger at" is a self projection, or, a self reflection which is unrecognized and called by another's name, so that one deceives oneself into not seeing oneself, but instead a caricatured world of stereotyped "others" who alone perform the absurdities and evils of the world. Sarah Palin seems like a walking caricature to many--yet to her and her supporters, these laughing critics also seem to be caricatures. Each "side" claims to "speak a different language from the other," yet each side sees the other in the same way. Are they not then the two faces of the same coin--or perhaps the doubled reflections of each other, mirror reversed so as to seem that the "right" and "left" have been "exchanged"? The New York Times one day runs a story on Fox news using Pentagon Talking Heads as "propaganda spreaders." The next day, the Times has back on the job two of their "crack reporters" most responsible for leading the charge to War with Iraq--now leading the charge to War with Iran. It no longer matters if the "evidence" cited is real, fabricated, blatant lies or propaganda direct from the Pentagon and IDF--because of the Fox story, one is meant to assume that the Times is "clean" of such handling. The educated readers of the Times everyday fall for tricks that wouldn't fool a persistent and skeptical child, or a "criminal thinker," because the "willing suspension of disbelief" has been inculcated to such a deep degree that, even after the forgeries and lies that "necessitated" the Iraq War, the public is buying into the same scenarios all over again with regards to Iran and now Russia as well. Torture does not aim at producing "truth" so much as producing "speech, ' "a confession," "a text to sign,"--in short--a betrayal of oneself by the person tortured. In a sense, the torture is a form of "Extreme Experimental Writing Exercise," a method for the production of "transgressive" texts which form a "critique of the [tortured]self" as an example of the "superiority of {our} methods and ways of writing, thinking, torturing." The "formal" critiques and sneers which greeted the poems by the tortured detainees at Guantanamo on their book publication "proved" that indeed, readers immune to the circumstances of the poems' creation could "see them for what they really are"--"bad poetry by bad people, badly translated by non-literary translators." "Hard headed formalists" see themselves as "hard headed realists" for whom what matters is the text produced. Removed "formally" from the situation of the torture chambers, the works can be held up to a ridicule which repeats in a doubled form the humiliations already heaped on the poets. A "poetic justice" is felt to be carried out as inexorably as that "justice" of the Gitmos making their way around the world and across America. In many ways, the "formalists" are reflecting the methods used by the politicians and generals. Insincerity, in authenticity, artifice, opacity, transgressions of syntax, grammar, the hybridization of genres, all of these are practised daily by the government, along with forgeries and the suturing together of plagiarized texts, the "collaging" of disparate images into effective propaganda messages, the "formalist" construction of "radical, innovative" media spectacles which function in a "formal language" of "shock and awe," filled with ruptures, transgressions, the smahing of "sense," and their supplanting with a new "language" of "new sentences" to be meted out for the evil ones. From all sides, language is used to make separtions, to set up an "us" and a "them," and so create a sense of supeiriotiy in each side, a supeirotiy which makes it alll the easier to look down on the "realities on the ground" in favor of the much more elevated concepts and tones of "culture wars" and "formalist rigors." For, it is supposed, that in these rarefied spheres may be handed down judgements which are created out of language which has had to pass the muster of an "ideological" purity, as well as a "moral" and "linguistic" one. Actually, al these three are viewed as the being the same thing, the One--the Word, The "real war" being about the Word, makes the Word paradoxically all the more open to abuse, misuse and manipulation, despite the claims of its adherents to its veneration as Truth, Justice and the American Way. Walt Whitman wrote that the "real War will never get written in the books," and so--this War of the Word--is an artifical war, waged to conceal the real ones. And being a "formalist," "artifical" war--persons and events, places and cultures, vanish into caricatures, which in turn produce "judgements" and in turn produce the need for "security." For in order to freely enjoy all these "comforts of home," is it not necessary to be protected from al those ugly and threatening ones who do not conform to one's own ideas of what constitutes a "fellow being?" The "profiling," the stereotyping of "backwoods" people and "urban ghetto dwellers," necessitates an ever growing number of these populations finding themselves in prison,('get'em off the streets!") and, as well, losing their homes to "disaster capitalism" as Naomi Klein writes of it in The Shock Doctrine, and to the rewritten laws of Eminent Domain so heavily backed by the Democrats. Paramilitary are indeed abroad in the USA--in the form of private security firms, hired by wealthy communities and private individuals to protect themselves from the "rabble." In New Orleans, the wealthiest such community hired an Israeli firm to protect itself from its fellow American citizens. The USA currently leads the world both in sheer number of citizens in prisons (over two million now) as well as the percentage of the population that is incarcerated. On any given day, a minimum of 30,000 foreign detainees are held in the "Gitmos Across America," as ever bigger prison camps are constructed for them and their families. As the recent events in Postville, Iowa and other towns showed, the working and living conditions which people are subjected to are subhuman--and, when arrested, they are treated like animals at best. The health care system is basically a eugenics system for getting rid of the poor and the ill, the "useless," the "mentally defective," the "crack babies" and "fetal alcohol syndrome children" of the ghettos and reservations, the backwoods. The War in Afghanistan--Senator Obama's "Right War," which now has the US fighting inside Pakistan--has been the biggest boom in history for heroin--and it shows all across the USA in the sharp rise in addictions, deaths, overdoses, diseases associated with needles use etc. There is another front to al the Wars going on, and that is here in the USA--the very people you stereotype with such merry contempt are 24/7 targets of a system which has absolutely no use for them, no interest in them, thinks of them and treats them as barely being animals. Racism is making a comeback, too--the law passed this year that discriminates against American Indians only in refusing them federal Funding for Abortions, the treatment of illegal aliens and legal aliens, the arrests and detainment and deaths of foreigners long resident in the US, the open stereotyping and hatred of Muslims, Arabs, and now, again, the Russians., the creation of millions of "internal refugees" in the wake of Karina and other storms, fires, factory closings, privatizations of once public lands. Governor Palin flies a large Israeli flag in her office and believes in defending Israel to the death. So does Senator Obama--yet isn't it strange for a Black Man to run for President to be supporting what the world sees as Apartheid? Again, the disconnect between words and things is necessary to maintain the New Order. "Divide and conquer," "a house divided against itself cannot stand,"--so it is one finds such lines being drawn of "us" vs "them" as the stereotyping of "backwoods and ghetto dwellers," or "illegal aliens" and "good citizen employers," who, seemingly without knowing it, have magically employed and forced to live and work in hells the illegal aliens who when caught are transfered to new hells. And the law breaking owners, capitalists, corporations? Nothing a little hush money and some high priced lawyers can't fix. Is this the meaning of "freedom," then--that in order to be "free" and live with oneself, one projects al the evils of a society onto some stereotyped groups, long the beasts of burden for the ugliness and crime of the society? The Indians, the Mexicans, the Blacks, the White Trash, the hillbillies and gang bangas, the illegal alien, the detainee held without charge and a long time US resident--the internal refugees cast adrift--the vast millions drowning without any health care safety net--the millions without electricity and/or heat--millions who lost their mortgaged homes-- These are the people done violence to in this society, with impunity, on a daily basis, Recent laws passed by our shining lights in Congress and the Senate have handed over almost unlimited powers now to police at all levels, including the local. In effect, the paramilitarization without any as yet clearly defined boundaries of vast numbers of armed and radio equipped, helicopter backed police at the Local, State and Federal levels---unleashes -a paramilitarization against the citizenry itself, in order to separate and maintain those separations of the "wheat" from the "chaff." Paramilitarization is not found among the backwoods and urban ghetto dwellers, but among the ruling social, economic and cultural elites, who in order to keep their hands clean will always dump their dirt and blood on to the hands of the outcasts of society. And in order to suppress these "bad elements," there is a booming Private Security Business in rent-a-Paramilitary from Israel or the USA to protect yourself from these dangerous fellow citizens, these homicidal maniacs, these diseased, deranged, dead end individuals, these "criminals." To practice the "concealment and deception" which Vidal-Naqet writes of, is all too easy, for the same inhumanity that is turned on the tortured abroad and offshore at Guantanamo is spreading across the USA in the detention camps and the increasingly cruel and degrading privatized prisons, designed to dehumanize persons already deemed subhuman. It is all too easy because language has been separated from people, things, events, ideas, so that it is not important whether the "texts" and "images" are "true" or not--al that matters is that they maintain that opacity with which actions, events and persons can be kept hidden from the viewer/reader, so that the separations so necessary to the maintenance of the status quo will be ever more strongly put in place, and so construct Walls between "a great nation, liberal by tradition" and "the whole Western concept of human dignity and the rights of the individual." Of course one of those Walls, besides the use of "texts" obtained by extreme experimental methods, is also that of the Security Forces, the Private Contractors, the unleashed police at al levels and the return of the program used in World War Two for the training of various members of every community in the art of surveillance of the population, seeking for any word or sign, however trifling, however minutely out of the ordinary, which might be an indication of indeed an "enemy walking among us." Or as the famous Pogo cartoon put it--"We have met the enemy and them is us." For who else elected these characters to office, these congress people, Senators, rubber stampers of horrors, as much the perpetuators of War Crimes as Bush, who, whether elected or not--still has been kowtowed to for years, along with his crowd of cronies. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > Fascinating to see Palin introduce paramilitary terms as birth names. > > In addition to "Trig" one can soon imagine, if not already found in the > backwoods and urban ghettoes: > > AKA, Colt, Hummer, Board (short for "Water B...), M6, etc. > > > > Stephen V > > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:10:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Larry O. Dean" Organization: Poetry Center of Chicago Subject: Persona & Movie Poems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I am trying to find some good examples of persona/dramatic monologues and poems about movies/films for my classes this year. I will be teaching 3rd-6th graders. I have some ideas already but I'm sure there are others out there I'm unaware of. It's alright if the poems are somewhat sophisticated, because I believe in the teaching-by-osmosis method. When in doubt--please send! Name and poet, URL if you happen to know it. Thanks in advance... Larry http://larryodean.com http://myspace.com/larryodean http://larryodean.blogspot.com http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=774533207 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:03:09 -0700 Reply-To: martha cinader mims Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: martha cinader mims Subject: URL correction and reminder for tonight's radio show Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear All, It was brought to my attention that the url I gave for the L&BH =20 Network Bulletin Board was a mess. Please forgive my error, and accept my invitation once again to join =20 in the discussion tonight. Martha Cinader Mims Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 8-9pm PST Listen & Be Heard Network Radio Call-in: A time for arts =20 professionals of all kinds to discuss issues facing all of us, and ways to create creative prosperity. Call-in Number: (718) 506-1481 You can listen to the show and also try the"click to talk" feature by =20= going to the following url at 8pm: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/listenandbeheard/2008/09/10/Listen-Be-=20 Heard-Arts-Networking The podcast will be archived at http://www.listenandbeheard.net If you can't participate at the time of the show but would like to =20 contribute your thoughts, you can leave your comments on the Listen & Be Heard =20 Network Bulletin Board before showtime: http://www.listenandbeheard.net/bbpress Whatever field of the arts that you may be participating in, a major =20 challenge for all creators today is to make their activities viable. You may =20 make a living, want to make a living, or not care about making a living in =20 the arts. If you are serious about your craft, you want it to come to fruition. =20= You need the time, resources and tools to make it possible to produce that =20 play, publish that book, organize that concert or poetry reading. My experiences have told me that I am more fringe than mainstream =20 with my creative presentations. My work has run the gamut from written words, =20= spoken words, theatre, storytelling, mixing poetry with live music, dance =20 music, creating mixed new media and more to come. The part about =91more to =20 come=92 is not in doubt. Whether there will be any financial gain in it is open to question. Whether finances will ultimately prevent me from expressing =20= myself is never open to question. The creative work will be done, but the road =20 ultimately travelled is certainly determined by whether there is a toll booth, =20 and how much I have to pay. There are many opportunities for us to compete with each other. =20 Competition seems to be the thing in television entertainment these days, and I =20 see it reflected widely in our culture. How often do the participants have a =20= say in the structure of the framework within which they are being presented, =20= whether it=92s the stage, the gallery or the printed word? How useful are they =20= to us? Please share your ideas with us all by calling in on Tuesday night =20 between 8pm and 9pm California Time. The Listen & Be Heard Network Bulletin Board is a place where we can =20 work constructively together to examine the framework within which we all =20 work. Your comments and e-mails, your participation in mailing lists, are all =20 ways to give input; but that input is spread around the network, minimizing its =20 impact. A bulletin board creates a central area for discussions to take place. =20 The forums and topics will be determined by the participants. What follows =20 should be constructive conversation that leads to actions which help us all to =20 thrive as arts professionals. Martha Cinader Mims Listen & Be Heard Network editor@listenandbeheard.net http://www.listenandbeheard.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:58:12 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Steensen,Sasha" Subject: New Bonfire chapbook--Eleni Sikelianos In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Bonfire Press is pleased to announce the publication of its most recent cha= pbook: The Abstracted Heart of Hours & Days by Eleni Sikelianos DESCRIPTION: Chapbook. 30 pages. 8 x 8 inches. (2008) Includes 8 drawings b= y author. Edition of 75 copies. $11. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:59:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Persona & Movie Poems In-Reply-To: <9ffc727930b100f2c927670ab4f501d0@poetrycenter.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Vachel Lindsay Edward Field Connie Deanovich, but those are tv show poems might be a fun crowd to do song lyrics vs poem dicussion -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:46:10 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: request to all formalists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see where my phrasing created a confusion that prompted you into this lecture, David! I believe I was saying that it's maybe no surprise at all that some of the names of Sarah Palin's children resonate with paramilitary ones - Trig as both a Norse war God, or 'trig' as short for "trigger.'=A0 Ironically the name is totally inappropriate for a child with Down syndrome - hardly a warrior.=20 In many respects I hardly disagree with much of what you are saying. So I don't understand=A0 the rant and condescension that threads through it. (I think you know enough of my work to know that I am not the dummy your piece seems to be talking to - or you have not been reading me at all) Lots of times I find myself fascinated and impressed with your art works (the bravery of the work). But your anger here I find toxic and not either beneficial to me, nor I suspect others, nor a positive way of offering to get through this darkness.=20 I won't indulge being offended, but I am puzzled.=20 Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ --- On Tue, 9/9/08, David Chirot wrote: From: David Chirot Subject: Re: request to all formalists To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 10:01 AM Dear Stephen: you write: Fascinating to see Palin introduce paramilitary terms as birth names. In addition to "Trig" one can soon imagine, if not already found in the backwoods and urban ghettoes: AKA, Colt, Hummer, Board (short for "Water B...), M6, etc. (You need to read more recent issues of Soldier of Fortune and get the gun names right, even the old ones--) Having grown up mainly in the backwoods of Vermont and lived the last seven years in the "Crack Alley" section of the West Central City of Milwaukee, I find this knee-jerk stereotyping to be the kind of "profiling" used by the police who protect gated communities and "good citizens," from these backwoods and ghetto "scum, and with the use of quite some force, too! Protesters are handled badly by the police for a few days--the rural and urban poor their whole lives. You see, it is the other way round--the paramilitary are used to protect th= e Good from the Bad and the Ugly. Do you think that such force would have been used against "nice people" as was used against the "trash" at the polygamous community recently? Where does the true violence--economic, structural, cultural as well as military-- come from in this society but from the educated, upper and middl= e classes, the research universities, think tanks, the interlocking networks of corporate-state-"intellectual property" facilities, organizations, agendas, the lobbies who affect not only foreign policy but what is taught in schools, what presses are allowed, what is shown in the media, what is and is not allowed to be discussed in any kind of rational manner, if barel= y at all. Everyday, excruciatingly, one finds the bandwidth of what is thought, allowed to be thought, allowed to be written or said, growing narrower and narrower in the USA. The "Poetic" concept of separation of referent from reference is "realized" daily in the news, in which words and things are separated so no one will "see the connection" between events, ideas, persons, places. "The artifice of Absorption" functions at this level as the opacity of media presenting a "united front"--a seamless series of "reports," images, soundtracks, edited into discrete series and cycles, in which the reader indeed is "allowed to create their own meanings" out of this limited set of "key words,' "interactive charts and slide shows," "options and choices." Since very little is offered to work with, there is not much danger of their being any wild divagation in the results obtained. In the first lines of his Introduction to Torture: Cancer of Democracy France and Algeria 1954-62, Pierre Vidal-Naquet asks "Can a great nation, liberal by tradition, allows its institutions, its army, and its system of justice to degenerate over the span of a few years as a result of the use o= f torture, and by its concealment and deception of such a vital issue call th= e whole Western concept of human dignity and the rights of the individual int= o question?" The answer to this is most emphatically--yes. The issue of torture isn't raised by any candidate, nor the treatment of persons in detention camps and shuttled among local prisons, without medica= l care, until they die, as recently happened to yet another detainee in the "Gitmos Across America." The treatment of American prisoners in the enormous and ever more privatized prison system has degenerated steadily, a= s have the conditions within the prisons themselves. Illegal aliens are hire= d to work in substandard conditions, then arrested en masse and shoved into places unfit often for animals. Human liberty, the freedom of the individual, ideas which generated Revolutions political and cultural and inspired poets, including the Shelle= y who called Poets the Unacknowledged Legislators of the World--all these things seem to have fallen by the wayside in the rush for Security and in the "critique of the self," which usually is a critique of others' selves, that is, those who are less enlightened than the ones charged with the mission of critique. Often what one "points a finger at" is a self projection, or, a self reflection which is unrecognized and called by another's name, so that one deceives oneself into not seeing oneself, but instead a caricatured world o= f stereotyped "others" who alone perform the absurdities and evils of the world. Sarah Palin seems like a walking caricature to many--yet to her and her supporters, these laughing critics also seem to be caricatures. Each "side" claims to "speak a different language from the other," yet each side sees the other in the same way. Are they not then the two faces of the same coin--or perhaps the doubled reflections of each other, mirror reversed so as to seem that the "right" and "left" have been "exchanged"? The New York Times one day runs a story on Fox news using Pentagon Talking Heads as "propaganda spreaders." The next day, the Times has back on the job two of their "crack reporters" most responsible for leading the charge to War with Iraq--now leading the charge to War with Iran. It no longer matters if the "evidence" cited is real, fabricated, blatant lies or propaganda direct from the Pentagon and IDF--because of the Fox story, one is meant to assume that the Times is "clean" of such handling. The educated readers of the Times everyday fall for tricks that wouldn't fool a persistent and skeptical child, or a "criminal thinker," because the "willing suspension of disbelief" has been inculcated to such a deep degree that, even after the forgeries and lies that "necessitated" the Iraq War, the public is buying into the same scenarios all over again with regards to Iran and now Russia as well. Torture does not aim at producing "truth" so much as producing "speech, ' "a confession," "a text to sign,"--in short--a betrayal of oneself by the person tortured. In a sense, the torture is a form of "Extreme Experimental Writing Exercise," a method for the production of "transgressive" texts which form a "critique of the [tortured]self" as an example of the "superiority of {our} methods and ways of writing, thinking, torturing." The "formal" critiques and sneers which greeted the poems by the tortured detainees at Guantanamo on their book publication "proved" that indeed, readers immune to the circumstances of the poems' creation could "see them for what they really are"--"bad poetry by bad people, badly translated by non-literary translators." "Hard headed formalists" see themselves as "hard headed realists" for whom what matters is the text produced. Removed "formally" from the situation of the torture chambers, the works can be held up to a ridicule which repeats in a doubled form the humiliations already heaped on the poets. A "poetic justice" is felt to be carried out as inexorably as that "justice" of the Gitmos making their way around the world and across America. In many ways, the "formalists" are reflecting the methods used by the politicians and generals. Insincerity, in authenticity, artifice, opacity, transgressions of syntax, grammar, the hybridization of genres, all of thes= e are practised daily by the government, along with forgeries and the suturin= g together of plagiarized texts, the "collaging" of disparate images into effective propaganda messages, the "formalist" construction of "radical, innovative" media spectacles which function in a "formal language" of "shock and awe," filled with ruptures, transgressions, the smahing of "sense," and their supplanting with a new "language" of "new sentences" to be meted out for the evil ones. From all sides, language is used to make separtions, to set up an "us" and a "them," and so create a sense of supeiriotiy in each side, a supeirotiy which makes it alll the easier to look down on the "realities on the ground" in favor of the much more elevated concepts and tones of "culture wars" and "formalist rigors." For, it is supposed, that in these rarefied spheres may be handed down judgements which are created out of language which has had t= o pass the muster of an "ideological" purity, as well as a "moral" and "linguistic" one. Actually, al these three are viewed as the being the same thing, the One--the Word, The "real war" being about the Word, makes the Word paradoxically all the more open to abuse, misuse and manipulation, despite the claims of its adherents to its veneration as Truth, Justice and the American Way. Walt Whitman wrote that the "real War will never get written in the books," and so--this War of the Word--is an artifical war, waged to conceal the rea= l ones. And being a "formalist," "artifical" war--persons and events, places and cultures, vanish into caricatures, which in turn produce "judgements" and in turn produce the need for "security." For in order to freely enjoy all these "comforts of home," is it not necessary to be protected from al those ugly and threatening ones who do not conform to one's own ideas of what constitutes a "fellow being?" The "profiling," the stereotyping of "backwoods" people and "urban ghetto dwellers," necessitates an ever growing number of these populations finding themselves in prison,('get'em off the streets!") and, as well, losing their homes to "disaster capitalism" as Naomi Klein writes of it in The Shock Doctrine, and to the rewritten laws of Eminent Domain so heavily backed by the Democrats. Paramilitary are indeed abroad in the USA--in the form of private security firms, hired by wealthy communities and private individual= s to protect themselves from the "rabble." In New Orleans, the wealthiest such community hired an Israeli firm to protect itself from its fellow American citizens. The USA currently leads the world both in sheer number of citizens in prisons (over two million now) as well as the percentage of the population that is incarcerated. On any given day, a minimum of 30,000 foreign detainees are held in the "Gitmos Across America," as ever bigger prison camps are constructed for them and their families. As the recent events in Postville, Iowa and other towns showed, the working and living conditions which people are subjected to are subhuman--and, when arrested, they are treated like animals at best. The health care system is basically a eugenics system for getting rid of th= e poor and the ill, the "useless," the "mentally defective," the "crack babies" and "fetal alcohol syndrome children" of the ghettos and reservations, the backwoods. The War in Afghanistan--Senator Obama's "Right War," which now has the US fighting inside Pakistan--has been the biggest boom in history for heroin--and it shows all across the USA in the sharp rise in addictions, deaths, overdoses, diseases associated with needles use etc. There is another front to al the Wars going on, and that is here in the USA--the very people you stereotype with such merry contempt are 24/7 targets of a system which has absolutely no use for them, no interest in them, thinks of them and treats them as barely being animals. Racism is making a comeback, too--the law passed this year that discriminates against American Indians only in refusing them federal Fundin= g for Abortions, the treatment of illegal aliens and legal aliens, the arrest= s and detainment and deaths of foreigners long resident in the US, the open stereotyping and hatred of Muslims, Arabs, and now, again, the Russians., the creation of millions of "internal refugees" in the wake of Karina and other storms, fires, factory closings, privatizations of once public lands= . Governor Palin flies a large Israeli flag in her office and believes in defending Israel to the death. So does Senator Obama--yet isn't it strange for a Black Man to run for President to be supporting what the world sees a= s Apartheid? Again, the disconnect between words and things is necessary to maintain the New Order. "Divide and conquer," "a house divided against itself cannot stand,"--so it is one finds such lines being drawn of "us" vs "them" as the stereotyping of "backwoods and ghetto dwellers," or "illegal aliens" and "good citizen employers," who, seemingly without knowing it, have magically employed and forced to live and work in hells the illegal aliens who when caught are transfered to new hells. And the law breaking owners, capitalists, corporations? Nothing a little hush money and some high priced lawyers can't fix. Is this the meaning of "freedom," then--that in order to be "free" and live with oneself, one projects al the evils of a society onto some stereotyped groups, long the beasts of burden for the ugliness and crime of the society? The Indians, the Mexicans, the Blacks, the White Trash, the hillbillies and gang bangas, the illegal alien, the detainee held without charge and a long time US resident--the internal refugees cast adrift--the vast millions drowning without any health care safety net--the millions without electricity and/or heat--millions who lost their mortgaged homes-- These are the people done violence to in this society, with impunity, on a daily basis, Recent laws passed by our shining lights in Congress and the Senate have handed over almost unlimited powers now to police at all levels, including the local. In effect, the paramilitarization without any as yet clearly defined boundaries of vast numbers of armed and radio equipped, helicopter backed police at the Local, State and Federal levels---unleashes -a paramilitarization against the citizenry itself, in order to separate and maintain those separations of the "wheat" from the "chaff." Paramilitarization is not found among the backwoods and urban ghetto dwellers, but among the ruling social, economic and cultural elites, who in order to keep their hands clean will always dump their dirt and blood on to the hands of the outcasts of society. And in order to suppress these "bad elements," there is a booming Private Security Business in rent-a-Paramilitary from Israel or the USA to protect yourself from these dangerous fellow citizens, these homicidal maniacs, these diseased, deranged, dead end individuals, these "criminals." To practice the "concealment and deception" which Vidal-Naqet writes of, is all too easy, for the same inhumanity that is turned on the tortured abroad and offshore at Guantanamo is spreading across the USA in the detention camps and the increasingly cruel and degrading privatized prisons, designed to dehumanize persons already deemed subhuman. It is all too easy because language has been separated from people, things, events, ideas, so that it is not important whether the "texts" and "images" are "true" or not--al that matters is that they maintain that opacity with which actions, events and persons can be kept hidden from the viewer/reader= , so that the separations so necessary to the maintenance of the status quo will be ever more strongly put in place, and so construct Walls between "a great nation, liberal by tradition" and "the whole Western concept of human dignity and the rights of the individual." Of course one of those Walls, besides the use of "texts" obtained by extreme experimental methods, is also that of the Security Forces, the Private Contractors, the unleashed police at al levels and the return of the progra= m used in World War Two for the training of various members of every communit= y in the art of surveillance of the population, seeking for any word or sign, however trifling, however minutely out of the ordinary, which might be an indication of indeed an "enemy walking among us." Or as the famous Pogo cartoon put it--"We have met the enemy and them is us." For who else elected these characters to office, these congress people, Senators, rubber stampers of horrors, as much the perpetuators of War Crime= s as Bush, who, whether elected or not--still has been kowtowed to for years, along with his crowd of cronies. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > Fascinating to see Palin introduce paramilitary terms as birth names. > > In addition to "Trig" one can soon imagine, if not already found in the > backwoods and urban ghettoes: > > AKA, Colt, Hummer, Board (short for "Water B...), M6, etc. > > > > Stephen V > > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:22:53 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pam Brown Subject: True Thoughts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Poeticists, hi, My new book of poems 'True Thoughts' has just been published by Salt Publishing All good wishes Pam Brown For more info visit : http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/9781844714278.htm Short description/annotation: True Thoughts follows the success of Pam Brown's last major collection Dear Deliria awarded the NSW Premier's Prize for Poetry in 2004. True Thoughts includes poems of sharply delineated streetscapes, imagined havens, distant places, encounters with friends, ideas, history, and a kind of fragmented urbanity. Brown's writing is deftly ironic, and affects a sense of the ludicrous in the face of mortality, as the poems attempt to fathom the question 'how to live?' alongside the larger one 'how to live now?' ____________________________________ blog : http://thedeletions.blogspot.com website : http://pambrownbooks.blogspot.com/ associate editor : http://jacketmagazine.com/ _____________________________________ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:52:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pierre Joris Subject: Recent NOMADICS blog posts Comments: To: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" Comments: cc: Britis-Irish List MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Slowly getting back into the swing of blogging, though I'm probably as =20= exercised about the whole project as Alan Gilbert whose post on =20 "Things I've learned while blogging for Harriet..." is an excellent =20 reflection on the subject. Check it out here: = http://poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/08/things_ive_learned_while_blogg= .html Meanwhile, back at NOMADICS, check out these recent posts: The Rent plays Lacy in Toronto Technicians of the Sacred @ 40 Peyrafitte & Bisio @ Justin's The Execution of Troy Davis =97 Fight It! "Herzzeit" =97 Celan & Bachmann Correspondence "Poets for Palestine" Anthology Out Now Rub=92 al Khali enjoy! & if in NYC or vicinity, do come to the 40th B-Day reading for Jerry =20 Rothenberg's TECHNICIANS OF THE SACRED this Sunday. Pierre ___________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ Hey, Want a free Obama/Biden sticker? MoveOn's giving them away totally =20 free--even the shipping's free. I just got mine, and wanted to share =20 the opportunity with you. Click this link to get a free Obama/Biden sticker: = http://pol.moveon.org/barackstickers/?id=3D-10178572-xj0q2zx&rc=3Dmanual_f= orward Thanks! ____________________________________________________________ The poet: always in partibus infidelium -- Paul Celan ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 71 Paris: 09.52.80.14.18 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10 email: jorpierre@gmail.com http://pierrejoris.com Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:53:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Shaunanne Tangney Subject: decadence MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello--I'm mostly a lurker on this list, but I really need some help and I'm wondering if there might be someone on this list who might come to my aid and edification. Does anyone out there have any expertise on decadence? If so and if you are interested in what might be a protracted discussion on same, please back-channel me! Thanks--ShaunAnne ShaunAnne Tangney Associate Professor of English Division of Humanities Minot State University 500 University Ave. W. Minot, ND 58707 701-858-3180 sa.tangney@minotstateu.edu www.minotstateu.edu http://mail.misu.nodak.edu/~shaunanne.tangney/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:49:05 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: New / Recent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii New & recent on the blog -- http://amyking.org/ -- Patrick Herron takes a stab at the game David Lynch responds to ... MilkMag's up and coming Lakoff on Palin A Mendi & Keith Obadike release, Document Gay Wedding Cards The Academy Gets Video Audio from UPENN Michael Jackson and Robert Burns Upcoming event information Here -- http://amyking.org/ Be well, Amy _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:37:58 +0200 Reply-To: argotist@fsmail.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jeffrey Side Subject: Hadron Collider risk to planet Comments: To: British Poetics , Poetryetc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Came across this from: http://www.lhcdefense.org/ "Citizens Against The Large Hadron Collider is a non-profit organization established for the purpose of using legal action to prevent the operation of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) until further safety tests are conducted. The LHC is a particle accelerator located on the France/Switzerland border; it has been dubbed the largest, most expensive, most powerful experiment ever attempted, certainly dwarfing all particle colliders ever built before, both in terms of size and power. Some experts fear that the risk of operating the LHC disproportionately outweighs anything science might gain from this experiment. It is not possible to know what the outcome of the experiment will be, but even CERN (the European Organization for Nuclear Research) scientists concede that there is a real possibility of creating destructive theoretical anomalies such as miniature black holes, strangelets and deSitter space transitions. These events have the potential to fundamentally alter matter and destroy our planet." From same site: "Authoritative astrophysicist Dr Rainer Plaga finds significant gaps in the CERN in-house LSAG safety study. His detailed quantitative analysis published August 10, 2008 comes to the conclusion that "at the present stage of knowledge there is a definite risk from Micro Black Hole production at colliders." And: "In a nationwide broadcast, Dr. Wagner explains the dangers of the LHC and his mission to require CERN to undergo further safety analysis before the machine is turned on." ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:45:55 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Steensen,Sasha" Subject: Re: URL correction--New Bonfire chapbook--Eleni Sikelianos In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry about the previous link, which is not functioning. Here's the link that DOES work if you'd like to see the book or learn more = about Bonfire: http://coloradoreview.colostate.edu/bonfire.htm ________________________________ From: Steensen,Sasha Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:58 PM To: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) Subject: New Bonfire chapbook--Eleni Sikelianos Bonfire Press is pleased to announce the publication of its most recent cha= pbook: The Abstracted Heart of Hours & Days by Eleni Sikelianos DESCRIPTION: Chapbook. 30 pages. 8 x 8 inches. (2008) Includes 8 drawings b= y author. Edition of 75 copies. $11. To purchase, or for more information, please visit: http://bonfirepress.colostate.edu =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:08:39 -0700 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: Poetryfoundation.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) Job Title:=20 Editor and Online Program Manager, Poetryfoundation.org=20 Job Description:=20 The role of editor of poetryfoundation.org includes the following responsib= ilities:=20 Provide editorial direction to staff editors, producers, and consultants in= order to publish the site=E2=80=99s frequently updated content. This inclu= des acquiring and approving all articles and other content such as feature = articles, podcasts, and other audio and visual features.=20 Work with other Foundation program senior managers to publish online conten= t and information from all program areas at the Foundation.=20 Develop marketing plans and campaigns to promote the website as needed.=20 Direct the process by which poems and other materials about poets and poetr= y are added to the site=E2=80=99s archive. This includes supervising the pe= rmissions process for all published content.=20 Collaborate with other editors at the Foundation on poetry issues and judgi= ng of awards as necessary. The role of online program manager includes the following responsibilities:= =20 Manage the technical staff and consultants who design and develop the site= =E2=80=99s user interface to ensure the quality of the user experience.=20 Manage technical consultants, including developers, usability experts, and = hosting providers, to ensure the security and performance of the underlying= technical infrastructure.=20 Develop and execute plans to steadily increase traffic to the site, includi= ng managing the process for gathering and reporting web traffic data, searc= h results, and web traffic marketing plans, and establishing partnerships w= ith other websites important to the mission of the Foundation. Qualifications:=20 Extensive background and familiarity with contemporary poetry=20 Extensive experience with managing editorial processes, including web publi= shing processes.=20 Strong knowledge of web technology and web design=20 Substantial project management experience=20 B.A. degree or greater in English literature or computer-related studies Salary:=20 This position offers a competitive salary and excellent benefits. Full-time= , exempt.=20 Application:=20 The Poetry Foundation is an equal opportunity employer and values the vario= us perspectives and talents of a diverse staff.=20 Interested applicants should email a cover letter, along with a C.V. or r= =C3=A9sum=C3=A9, to employment@poetryfoundation.org (please send all attach= ments as a Word or PDF document; subject line: Editor/Online Program Manage= r). The deadline for applications is September 25, 2008. http://www.poetryfoundation.org/foundation/Webeditor.html =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:39:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: decadence Comments: To: shaunanne.tangney@minotstateu.edu In-Reply-To: <80FEAEED-7F37-11DD-A516-000393704F6E@minotstateu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline help such as (reading lists, possible conference panelists, ???)? anyone without some expertise in decadence out there? but seriously, this is a bit cryptic. what would a protracted discussion about decadence off-list involve? the A Decadence Reader isn't too terrible, unless you're interested in decadent poetry, which, this is the POETICS list. then there is the question of historical decadent / aesthic movement / symbolism and contemporary writing very influenced by same. All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Shaunanne Tangney < shaunanne.tangney@minotstateu.edu> wrote: > Hello--I'm mostly a lurker on this list, but I really need some help and > I'm wondering if there might be someone on this list who might come to my > aid and edification. Does anyone out there have any expertise on decadence? > If so and if you are interested in what might be a protracted discussion on > same, please back-channel me! Thanks--ShaunAnne > > > ShaunAnne Tangney > Associate Professor of English > Division of Humanities > Minot State University > 500 University Ave. W. > Minot, ND 58707 > 701-858-3180 > sa.tangney@minotstateu.edu > www.minotstateu.edu > http://mail.misu.nodak.edu/~shaunanne.tangney/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:44:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: ari banias Subject: Uncalled-For Readings: COLIC + GARDINIER + LIU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Uncalled-For Readings Presents: DANICA COLIC, SUZANNE GARDINIER & TIMOTHY LIU Wednesday September 17 / 7 pm / free Unnameable Books 456 Bergen St. Brooklyn, NY + DANICA COLIC lives in Brooklyn and teaches writing at Hunter College, where she also received her MFA. Her poems have appeared in Terrain, Realpoetik, Arts & Letters, and Pebble Lake Review. SUZANNE GARDINIER is the author of The New World, A World That Will Hold All the People, and Today: 101 Ghazals. Next year Sheep Meadow will publish another of her long poems, called Dialogue with the Archipelago. She teaches at Sarah Lawrence College and lives in Manhattan. TIMOTHY LIU has two new books forthcoming, Bending the Mind around the Dream's Blown Fuse (Talisman House) and Polytheogamy (Saturnalia Books). He lives in Manhattan. + down one flight of stairs at Unnameable Books, 456 Bergen Street (2/3 to Bergen). Light beverages/ snacks will be provided; more are always welcome. + future: 10/15: James Allen Hall, Julian Brolaski, Kerry Carnahan more: www.uncalledforreadings.blogspot.com www.unnameablebooks.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:39:22 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Janet Holmes Subject: Charles O. Hartman's NEW & SELECTED POEMS available from Ahsahta Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *Now available from Ahsahta Press!* New & Selected Poems New poems join a selection from nearly 40 years of Hartman's groundbreaking computer- and jazz-influenced work. "Charles is a precisionist of language, an improviser searching familiar scales for a wrong note, a word or phrase, that can take him past regular habits of meaning or melody to some new kind of right place." *=97David Antin* $19.00 *Cover design: Quemadura* *Order your copy today! * "Charles Hartman's *New & Selected Poems* will finally establish his rightful place as at least one of the best poets of his generation. It take= s a large collection to reveal the range, depth, intricacy, and inventive playfulness of his very very fine sensibility. Most of all I love his intelligence=97his refusal of sentimentality that finds an angle for the release of unexpected yet rich and complex feelings, and his range of attitudes and situations matched by astonishing metrical inventiveness and resonance. ('Songlines/tune/the travels.') This intelligence makes for a range that beggars most poets=97from elegant short dimeter poems to several sustained and complex long poems on topics ranging from becoming familiar with exotic places to establishing attitudes toward the ways new technologies affect possibilities for feeling and for thinking, or for continuing to think that feeling matters."*=97Charles Altieri* "Charles O. Hartman is a musician's poet. Those of us who spend our time looking for melodies, and for ways to hang them together, recognize that same impulse in his work; his poems sound like the best Tin Pan Alley songs= , graceful and concise. His cadences are as unforced as Lester Young's, and his language as refined. These verses sing." *=97Steve Swallow* *Flamenco Sketches: *Miles Still fall Another drift of sunshine A day, and then some No need for snow Strange creatures scaled down We tune a canny ear to the unmoved hour Strung high, the icy cloud sings of a blue trapped in a blue And so: too Off on one hand the rind of an undiscarded moon Off-season fields lie paralyzed for some Persephone Her place held firm by a zero *Between's return* *Then again, the spring's wound one way* (c) 2008 by Charles O. Hartman *Order New & Selected Poems today! * --=20 Janet Holmes http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu .. .. .. .. .. .. NEW FROM AHSAHTA PRESS: Zone : Zero by Stephanie Strickland New & Selected Poems by Charles O. Hartman http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:57:31 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Mindock Subject: Cervena Barva Press Announces "Brothers" by Eric Wasserman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cervena Barva Press is pleased to announce the publication of "Brothers" by Eric Wasserman Winner of the 2007 Fiction Chapbook Prize Advance Praise for Brothers: Take Faulkner's dicturn that "the past is never dead, it's not even past" and transpose it to late Forties L.A. In the grand tradition of John Gregory Dunne's True Confessions, Wasserman's taut little tale finds a mismatched pair of brothers clashing. explosively, at the dawn of the Blacklist era. -Wesley Strick, screenwriter and author of Out There in the Dark Eric Wasserman is the author of a collection of short fiction, The Temporary Life. His short story, "He's No Sandy Koufax," won first prize in the 13th Annual David Dornstein Creative Writing Contest. Brothers is the first chapter from his recently completed first novel, Celluloid Strangers. Eric is an Assistant Professor of English at the University of Akron, wher he also teaches in the Northeast Ohio Master of Fine Arts Program (NEOMFA). Visit him at www.ericwasserman.com Order online at http://www.thelostbookshelf.com/index.html Brothers by Eric Wasserman $7.00 + $3.00 S/H 19 pages, paper Publication Date: September 2008 For information contact: Gloria Mindock Cervena Barva Press, Somerville, MA Email: editor@cervenabarvapress.com Send me______copies of "Brothers" Total enclosed: $________ Name____________________________________________________________________ Street____________________________________________________________________ City___________________________State________________Zip____________________ e-mail_________________________________Phone___________ Thank you. Gloria Mindock, Editor and Publisher editor@cervenabarvapress.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:53:12 -0300 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Michael A. SOUBBOTNIK" Subject: Re :decadence In-Reply-To: <80FEAEED-7F37-11DD-A516-000393704F6E@minotstateu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi ShaunAnne, Could you be a little more specific about your query? I mean, do you wish t= o discuss the concept (I take it to be a concept - which might be put to use in describing or evaluating - accurately or misleadingly =AD such and such sets of facts, and not as a hard fact =AD although it IS a significant fact that such a concept has been put to use in such and such circumstances)... do you wish to discuss the concept of decadence "in general" or are you looking for information about how it was used in such and such historical contexts? Although not incompatible, the approaches are sensibly different. Michael Prof. Dr. Michael A. Soubbotnik EA 4120 LISAA (Litt=E9ratures Savoirs et Arts) Universit=E9 Paris-Est (UPE) Grupo de pesquisa =B3Psican=E1lise na Universidade=B2 Universidade Federal de Esp=EDrito Santo (UFES) m.soubbotnik@wanadoo.fr m.soubbotnik@uol.com.br > De=A0: Shaunanne Tangney > R=E9pondre =E0=A0: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" > Date=A0: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:53:45 -0500 > =C0=A0: "POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU" > Objet=A0: decadence >=20 >=20 > Hello--I'm mostly a lurker on this list, but I really need some help > and I'm wondering if there might be someone on this list who might come > to my aid and edification. Does anyone out there have any expertise on > decadence? If so and if you are interested in what might be a > protracted discussion on same, please back-channel me! > Thanks--ShaunAnne >=20 >=20 > ShaunAnne Tangney > Associate Professor of English > Division of Humanities > Minot State University > 500 University Ave. W. > Minot, ND 58707 > 701-858-3180 > sa.tangney@minotstateu.edu > www.minotstateu.edu > http://mail.misu.nodak.edu/~shaunanne.tangney/ >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:17:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Elizabeth Mariani Subject: : buffalo ny (allentown) spoken word sundays::::: hardware::: sunday 14th at 8 pm FINAL SHOW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elizabeth Mariani Date: Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM Subject: buffalo ny (allentown) spoken word sundays::::: hardware::: sunday 14th at 8 pm FINAL SHOW To: poetics@listserv.buffalo.edu *Subject:* spoken word sundays::::: hardware::: sunday 14th at 8 pm FINAL SHOW SPOKEN WORD SUNDAYS FINAL SHOW WHERE: ALLENSTREET HARDWARE WWW.ALLENSTREETHARDWARE.COM 245 ALLEN WHEN: SUNDAY, 14TH, 8 PM WHY: because poetry will save this city WHO: see below buffalo has a creative legacy we have loads of artists, poets, musican, mixed media mamas, lovers and cultivators of everything new and brewing. tell me something... whatcha doin' this sunday night at 8 pm..? spoken word sundays after 1 & 1/2 years of existence is volunteering for a temporary death but not after this event. SEPT 14TH THE FINALE 8 pm list of performers dwayne morgan from toronto annette daniels taylor gruvolgy + poets = soundverb alex mead liz mariani gary earl ross lovely mc vendetta n'tare ali gault ian belknap amanda murlain rock bottom lonnie b harrell (teddy) no open mic/no cover 8pm - ? please forward, post, etc. poster is on my site. thanks liz facebook groups: spoken word sundays fan page facebook group: the words that come through her, fans of liz mariani's poetry www.allenstreethardware.com www.myspace.com/transitisamindstate -- my first book is for sale online imaginary poems for my imaginary girlfriend named anabel sempreverdi press www.myspace.com/transitisamindstate $10 including shipping in gratitude http://artvoice.com/issues/v7n23/in_the_margins/liz_mariani -- my first book is for sale online imaginary poems for my imaginary girlfriend named anabel sempreverdi press www.myspace.com/transitisamindstate $10 including shipping in gratitude http://artvoice.com/issues/v7n23/in_the_margins/liz_mariani -- my first book is for sale online imaginary poems for my imaginary girlfriend named anabel sempreverdi press www.myspace.com/transitisamindstate $10 including shipping in gratitude http://artvoice.com/issues/v7n23/in_the_margins/liz_mariani ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:42:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Palin/McCain and the Cult of Irresponsibility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Palin/McCain and the Cult of Irresponsibility an exchange with Régis Bonvicino @ http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/blog/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:05:09 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New de Blog - Malevich, Mother at 92, Bruce Ackley Haptic, Haystack Rock (Cannon Beach) Comments: To: UK POETRY , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" Comments: cc: David Abel , Bruce Ackley , Bruce Ackley , George Albon , Charles Amirkhanian , Tim Atkins , Clay Banes , Doug Barboaur , Bill Barich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Diverse bunch of things, texts and photographs at: http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ Malevich, an early Autumn ghost. My Mother at 92 - Episodes Bruce Ackely "Haptic" - Document of a work in progress with Bruce Ackley of ROVA on either tenor and soprano saxe, as well as a session including other musicians, and a vocalist (Aurora Josesphson)=A0 . Haystack Rock (Cannon Beach, Oregon) during a - 2 full moon tide.=20 Mysteries, it seems, everywhere.=A0 Enjoy, =20 Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:33:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hadron Collider risk to planet Comments: To: argotist@fsmail.net Comments: cc: Daniel Zimmerman MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit During the Manhattan Project, a few scientists worried that an atomic explosion would ignite all the oxygen in the atmosphere, killing life on earth (with the possible exception of the anaerobic bacteria). Well, no. Not that I defend the aims of that project, but unless we take risks based on the best information we have, we will remain ignorant of the basic structure of the universe. What should we value more: truth or life? A false dilemma? Probably. The LHC hopes to find the Higgs bosonm, among other things. A recent Scientific American article speculates that, without the Higgs, atoms might swell to the size of beach balls. Well, so what? If all atoms swelled so, could we notice? Yardsticks, too, would balloon. So why bother to spend billions to whiff the Higgs? Does it matter whether we can say why matter has mass? Well, yeah. No? ~ Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Side" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: Hadron Collider risk to planet > Came across this from: > http://www.lhcdefense.org/ > > "Citizens Against The Large Hadron Collider is a non-profit organization > established for the purpose of using legal action to prevent the operation > of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) until further safety tests are > conducted. The LHC is a particle accelerator located on the > France/Switzerland border; it has been dubbed the largest, most expensive, > most powerful experiment ever attempted, certainly dwarfing all particle > colliders ever built before, both in terms of size and power. > Some experts fear that the risk of operating the LHC disproportionately > outweighs anything science might gain from this experiment. It is not > possible to know what the outcome of the experiment will be, but even CERN > (the European Organization for Nuclear Research) scientists concede that > there is a real possibility of creating destructive theoretical anomalies > such as miniature black holes, strangelets and deSitter space transitions. > These events have the potential to fundamentally alter matter and destroy > our planet." > From same site: > "Authoritative astrophysicist Dr Rainer Plaga finds significant gaps in > the CERN in-house LSAG safety study. His detailed quantitative analysis > published August 10, 2008 comes to the conclusion that "at the present > stage of knowledge there is a definite risk from Micro Black Hole > production at colliders." > And: > "In a nationwide broadcast, Dr. Wagner explains the dangers of the LHC and > his mission to require CERN to undergo further safety analysis before the > machine is turned on." > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:58:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Hadron Collider risk to planet In-Reply-To: <17654045.160441221053878702.JavaMail.www@wwinf3723> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From what I've read this just isn't true and not even remotely true below. On the other hand, I've always felt that eliminating this planet would at least mean that we haven't a chance of trashing the rest of the solar system - of course that's chutzpa to the nth degree in the first place. - Alan On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Jeffrey Side wrote: > Came across this from: > http://www.lhcdefense.org/ > > "Citizens Against The Large Hadron Collider is a non-profit organization established for the purpose of using legal action to prevent the operation of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) until further safety tests are conducted. The LHC is a particle accelerator located on the France/Switzerland border; it has been dubbed the largest, most expensive, most powerful experiment ever attempted, certainly dwarfing all particle colliders ever built before, both in terms of size and power. > Some experts fear that the risk of operating the LHC disproportionately outweighs anything science might gain from this experiment. It is not possible to know what the outcome of the experiment will be, but even CERN (the European Organization for Nuclear Research) scientists concede that there is a real possibility of creating destructive theoretical anomalies such as miniature black holes, strangelets and deSitter space transitions. These events have the potential to fundamentally alter matter and destroy our planet." > From same site: > "Authoritative astrophysicist Dr Rainer Plaga finds significant gaps in the CERN in-house LSAG safety study. His detailed quantitative analysis published August 10, 2008 comes to the conclusion that "at the present stage of knowledge there is a definite risk from Micro Black Hole production at colliders." > And: > "In a nationwide broadcast, Dr. Wagner explains the dangers of the LHC and his mission to require CERN to undergo further safety analysis before the machine is turned on." > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ========================================================================= To access the Odyssey exhibition The Accidental Artist: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org sondheim@panix.com, sondheim@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 ========================================================================= ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:14:21 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: TINFISH news and pre-publication sale!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Pre-publication sale, part deux ou trois Thank you for your on-going support of our projects at Tinfish Press. We've been inan intense harvest mode the last month or two. Our next crop will be TINFISH 18.5: THE BOOK, which will retail for $15. We are offering it to you for $10 until October 10, when it's due from the printer. TINFISH 18.5 is not a journal issue, but an entire book of wonderful poems by five poets from Hawai`i: Kai Gaspar, Ryan Oishi, Jill Yamasawa, Sage Uilani Takehiro, and Tiare Picard. The book is interactive, features puzzles, word games, and more. Design by Gaye Chan, simply da bes'. You can see a photo of the cover on the friends of Tinfish page--it's bright red. ALSO: please consider subscribing to the journal for $25 over three issues. TINFISH 18 (the journal) is just out and offers a wonderful selection of long poems between the covers of a reclaimed real estate advertising magazine. Get 18 and 18.5 for the low price of $18, down from the retail price of $25! Please send checks to Tinfish Press, 47-728 Hui Kelu Street #9, Kaneohe, HI 96744 or go to our website, tinfishpress.com, and use the credit card thingy. aloha, Susan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:32:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Douglas Manson Subject: little scratch pad editions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline dear poets little scratch pad editions chapbooks are now more widely available at the publisher's blog: www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com Jaye Bartell *Ever After / Never Under : 20 choruses *Kristianne Meal *TwentyTwo : first pallet *Michael Basinski *Of Venus 93 *Douglas Manson *At Any Point (to becoming normal)* More books to come! The press also has a myspace page: www.myspace.com/inksaudible thanks, doug manson editor-in-handkeringchief bird-in-hand head-in-handsome chief-of-antlermoss & tuskless-in-the-beringstrait ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:40:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: 9/11+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) These messages are as they were when they were sent out by email to friends and family outside New York on 9/11 and the days just after. They're still online at our website. Hal == 9/11 AM Just a brief message-- Lynda and I are okay--stunned and getting our news from TV (mostly CNN and NY1) as I'm sure you are. Our main concern is that our daughter-in-law Maggie works for a law firm very near the WTC (the firm is at Battery Park Plaza and I *think* that's some blocks south of the WTC). At any rate, we haven't heard from her yet, and haven't been able to contact her firm, or her husband Zach (Lynda's younger son), who works out on Long Island. Westbeth, where we live, is well north of Canal St., and, while from our livingroom window we can see a mountain of smoke, the wind seems to be taking the smoke and debris to the southeast. We haven't been down to street level as yet today, a day when normally I would have been taking a PATH train under the Hudson to travel to Newark, NJ, where I teach two classes on Tuesdays and Fridays. In short, we're well, and we're hoping that Maggie is too. Hal 9/11 PM The first we knew of it this morning was when Ana Doina called from New Jersey and asked Lynda if we were okay. Lynda (I think--I was upstairs taking a shower, getting ready to go off to Newark for my two Tuesday classes) said, "Sure, why? Who is this?" Ana said, "Look out your window." And Lynda looked out and saw great billows of smoke rising into the sky. Our windows on that side of the livingroom look south, but the WLC is blocked from view by an arm of the building we live in. At night, when we're going to bed we can see the skinny communications tower at the very top of . . . I guess it's WTC1. Just that, and its warning lights--lights intended to warn off aircraft, strange to say. Most of the day, we sat transfixed by the images on the TV screen, one or the other of us jumping up every now and then to check the billowing mountain of smoke downtown. The first phone call was from Lynda's mother in Florida. It wasn't until a bit after 5:00 in the afternoon that we ventured out of the apartment, first to go up to the roof about five floors above us. Waiting for the elevator, we checked out the large window near it that until today had a clear view of the WTC in all but the foggiest, cloudiest weathers. Just smoke, today.A handful of people were up there, looking off to the south, where the smoke was still rising, and where a sudden rush of stronger billowing may have betokened the collapse of Bldg. 7, which occurred, I think, about that time. It was warm and sunny on the roof. The late-afternoon sun was sparkling on the Hudson, just across West Street from our building. One of those gorgeous late-summer evenings--except for the large smudge of smoke. I remembered living as a kid in an apartment house at 7th Ave. and 14th St., where for a few weeks during WW2 we could lean out the dining room window and see the black smoke rising from the French liner Normandy burning where it lay on its side at its dock at the foot of 14th St. There aren't many docks along the Hudson anymore. The riverfront is becoming people space, with miles of pathways for joggers, and skaters, and bikers. And there were a lot of them down there as we looked down from the roof. Dog-walkers too. Yes, the dogs still need to be walked here in New York. So, we decided to go down and walk for a bit ourselves. West Street is usually crowded with traffic, especially on weekdays, early in the morning and in the late afternoon. It's what the West-side Highway becomes here downtown. Today it was free of trucks, cars, taxis. Police cars and emergency vehicles were almost all we saw. But in the park and along the pathways used by joggers and bikers--lots of folks walking along, riding along, just standing or sitting staring south. Some people heading uptown, a couple with face masks hanging around their necks. We got down to Pier 40, just below Morton Street before coming to the police barrier, where two officers were turning people back. A block or two below, lots of emergency vehicles, ambulances, flashing lights, and beyond them the mountain of smoke where the WTC had been until this morning. Against the darkness of the smoke the white and green tower of the Woolworth Building seemed brighter and more elaborate than ever. Coming back up, we walked along Hudson Street (what 8th Ave. becomes south of Bleecker Street) and the scene was really strange--almost no traffic, some of the sidestreets barricaded (to secure the precinct house on W. 10th Street, a patrolman told me). Shops (almost all dark, with their security gates down and locked) were closed, as were most restaurants (all but a couple Chinese places). Even the White Horse was closed. At one point, a convoy of twenty ambulances went by, speeding north, with wailing police cars fore and aft. The ambulances I saw were from places as far away as Cherry Hill, New Jersey, just east of Philly. When emergency vehicles weren't passing by, the street had that eerie Sunday-morning sort of stillness to it. What wasn't there was what we saw--the taxis, the trucks, the twin towers (margarine sticks, I've enjoyed calling them) of the WTC, the business as usual. When we got home there were more phone calls and more TV. We learned from Timo (Lynda's son in Chicago) that Zach and Maggie had been heading this morning for Century 21, a big store right across the street from the WTC, to get Maggie a pair of shoes. Later, Zach called again and told us that he and Maggie had picked up people walking back into Brooklyn from Manhattan and ferried them home in their car. Folks on TV started wondering whether there wasn't some failure of intelligence involved in all this. Duh, double-duh. Hal "That's the way the world goes, and it's not going well." --Bertolt Brecht 9/11 +1 The wind's changed, and tonight we're getting something of the taste and smell of the smoke, which plumes north-northeast through the clear evening sky, Mars standing high over New York Harbor to the south. We were out only briefly, to walk a couple blocks south on West Street and cross over to the Hudson River Park, where we stood for a few minutes looking down at the WTC area, where some of the standing structures were silhouetted by emergency lights against the great white cloud arising behind them. As we had seen shortly before on the BBC, people along West Street farther south were cheering and applauding emergency workers--both those coming north, and those relieving them going south. This morning, there was no New York Times outside our apartment door as there usually is, so after a cup of coffee or two, we headed out to find a paper. The Bus Stop, our local breakfast joint, already had a line as we passed, and we soon found that no newspapers had been delivered to stores or curbside boxes below 14th Street. And the streets were empty of traffic--a few emergency vehicles, but mostly walkers and people on bikes. Most stores were locked and shuttered. At 8th Ave. and 14th. St., we passed through the police barricades and headed north, above 14th. St. Non-essential vehicles were prohibited below 14th St. Basically, we walked up 8th to 23rd St. and then east to 6th Ave. and then north to 42nd St. We bought a Post, and then an Observer, and then a Wall Street Journal, and then a News--but no NYT. So, we walked back west along 42nd St., thinking we'd find one easily at the Port Authority Bus Terminal, forgetting that the bridges and tunnels were closed, and thus the buses wouldn't be running. The PA was closed and barracaded, so we started back down 8th Ave. We found our Times at Penn Station, two levels down below street level, at a Hudson News Stand where the guy at the cash register said there were no more Times at the same moment another guy was unloaded a new batch onto the floor. Lynda, our newspapers, and I then continued on down 8th Ave. until we decided, weirdly, to stop in at the Utopia luncheonette at the corner of 8th and 27th, the same place we'd stopped on our walk downtown the very first time I'd trained up to Baltimore to see her some twelve years or more ago now. Somehow, it was just a rest stop for us now, and not a bit nostalgic--well, maybe just a smidgen. So, we ate breakfast, with our unread newspapers on the chair beside me, and with pop-songs and Dubya on the PA-ed radio. I had only five bucks in my wallet, so the waiter and I tried two different credit cards before we found one for which the telephone call would go through. People were moving everywhere we went, moving uptown, downtown, like us with newspapers. Not in Penn Station, though. There folks were standing in long lines for tickets, or sprawled in the waiting room (only for ticketed passengers). At the 14th St. barrier, police were checking IDs of people wanting to go farther south, into the Village. A woman in blue was asking two gals and a guy if they had IDs showing they lived there. Lynda and I just walked past, and were nearly home. The line outside the Bus Stop was even longer. Back in the apartment, two messages on the machine told each of us separately that the Eugene Lang College of the New School University would be closed today, the building being used as a clearinghouse/information center for people who couldn't find people. So, once again we wavered between CNN and NY1 on the cable-connected TV. The little one without cable brought in only Channel 2, the local CBS station. All the other New York stations were off the air (though not off cable), since their transmitters had gone down yesterday with the WTC. Hal "Flotsam, please, and a side order of jetsam." 9/11 +2 Here's what the morning commute in the NYC area looks like today. This website has pages for places all over the country, so have a look. This URL is specifically for the NYC area, but click around and you'll find others. http://newyork.metrocommute.com/ My Tuesday-Friday commute is by PATH train to Newark. I catch the Journal Square train at Christopher Street, just before it goes under the Hudson River and into New Jersey. "There is now PATH service from 33rd Street to Newark/Hoboken every 5-10 minutes, but there is no service to Exchange Place in Jersey City. You must transfer to the light rail at Pavonia Avenue. The World Trade Center line will be out for perhaps several years, or more." At Journal Square in Jersey City, I usually transfer to the Newark train, which comes/came out of the WTC. Just outside Jersey City, the train comes out of its tunnel and travels above ground the rest of the way into Penn Station in Newark. Much of the way, the WTC towers were once visible beyond the unseen Hudson. Tomorrow I'll see a different landscape. Hal "Between the manifold splendors of anger, I watch a door slam like the corsage of a flower or the erasers of schoolchildren." --Andre Breton 9/11 +30 A couple people lately have asked if we're returning to anything like normality here in New York, so I though I'd send one brief (and final) message on this to you. I think you're already aware of New York's situation-- the clogged streets (improved by the ban on one-passenger cars on weekday mornings), the downtown streets still closed, the revenue loss, the Yankees' loss last night, etc., so I won't deal with much of that. This morning Lynda and I had to move our car out of its curbside parking spot for a few hours so the street could be clean--or rather so the city could once again pick up some revenue by ticketing and/or towing cars that don't get moved for street-cleaning. That, according to the morning New York Times, amounts to $250,000 or so in income for the city each day. So, alternate-side- of-the-street parking is back for the first time here in Manhattan since 9/11. The city needs the money. After dealing with the car, we stopped by the community room downstairs to cast our votes in the Green/Ferrer run-off in NYC's mayoral contest--that's the second time we've voted since 9/11. Who says small-d democracy is dead? Not much else. On 60 Minutes II the other night, Charles Grodin (the weeknight Andy Rooney) did a bit on the various aches and pains that many of all of us have been dealing with since 9/11. Lynda's got no voice today. She's been working her way through the same set of symptoms I've just about finished with--sore throat, headache, sneezes, sniffles, mucous running amok, laryngitis, and so on. I threw my back out (getting up from a couch, it seemed) on the Thursday after 9/11, and that took about a week to work itself out, but then I didn't try hanging upside down from a horizontal bar, as Grodin did. So, Lynda's napping now, and I'm doing phone duty. In general then, all's well. Life goes on. How's by you? Hal "We don't serve fine wine in half-pints, buddy." --Robert Ashley ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:11:39 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Sad News -- Reginald Shepherd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/09/reginald_shepherd_19632008.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:33:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Larry O. Dean" Organization: Poetry Center of Chicago Subject: Re: Persona & Movie Poems In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the suggestions, Catherine. I'm still looking... On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:59:29 -0700, Catherine Daly wrote: > Vachel Lindsay > Edward Field > Connie Deanovich, but those are tv show poems > > might be a fun crowd to do song lyrics vs poem dicussion > > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly@gmail.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:19:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Piombino Subject: Free Fall In-Reply-To: <091020082357.27253.48C85EEB000C02B100006A752207300033010409029D0A9B9C0A990B0703@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The video of my collage novel Free Fall by Mike Burakoff is now up on The Continental Review, Nicholas Manning=B9s poetry video blog http://www.thecontinentalreview.com/ Nicholas Manning has also posted an announcement and appreciative comment o= n his weblog The Newer Metaphysicals http://thenewermetaphysicals.blogspot.com/ Nick =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:49:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: TED BERRIGAN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline we're reading the poems of TED BERRIGAN for URCHIN SERIES TOMORROW details here: http://UrchinPoetry.blogspot.com CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:45:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: DEATH POEMS (Soma)tic Workshop, Philadelphia, THIS October MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline LIMITED NUMBER of students for this workshop, please sign up NOW to save your spot DETAILS WITH LINKS HERE: http://caconradevents.blogspot.com/2008/09/death-poems-somatic-workshop.html This (Soma)tic Poetry Workshop will take place Saturday, October 4th, 3pm Washington Square Park, Philadelphia (where many soldiers from the Revolutionary War are buried) http://www.ushistory.org/districts/washingtonsquare/washi.htm We will meet at the SW corner of Walnut and 6th Streets at 3pm We will wait a few minutes for late comers, then move inside the park to the MOON TREE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Square_(Philadelphia)#Moon_Tree The workshop is ONLY $9, but must be paid in advance to hold your spot That's a bargain for THAT MUCH POETRY AND FUN! For examples of (Soma)tic Poetry Exercises go here: http://SomaticPoetryExercises.blogspot.com We will investigate experiences, fears, and worries of Death which range from the personal to the outer cosmic range of Philadelphia. We will then have (Soma)tic Exercises within the park to work on the subject of Death to create our poems. EVERYONE IS WELCOME But please be sure to sign up as soon as possible to save your spot Write to CAConrad at this e-mail address SEE YOU SOON! CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:32:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Free Fall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Nick, Thank you for Free Fall. A wonderful piece. Murat On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Nicholas Piombino wrote: > The video of my collage novel Free Fall by Mike Burakoff is now up on The > Continental Review, Nicholas Manning=B9s poetry video blog > http://www.thecontinentalreview.com/ > > Nicholas Manning has also posted an announcement and appreciative comment > on > his weblog The Newer Metaphysicals > http://thenewermetaphysicals.blogspot.com/ > > > Nick > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:56:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Lazer, Hank" Subject: Two Big Books, at a Big Discount - Silliman & Rothenberg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 The University of Alabama Press is proud to announce its latest offerings in the Modern and Contemporary Poetics Series: Poetics & Polemics, 1980-2005 by Jerome Rothenberg and The Alphabet by Ron Silliman. Purchase one or both of these publications at a 30-percent discount and you can receive, as a bonus, two of our bestsellers from the MCP series for $5.00 each: Another South: Experimental Writing in the South edited by Bill Lavender and Differentials: Poetry, Poetics, Pedagogy by Marjorie Perloff. 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[He] is the ultimate 'hyphenated' poet: critic-anthropologist-editor-anthologist-performerteacher-translator, to each of which he brings an unbridled exuberance and an innovator's insistence on transforming a given state of affairs." - Charles Bernstein 6 x 9 / 360 pages (cloth, ISBN 978-0-8173-1627-3): $43.75 USD (30% discount) (paper, ISBN 978-0-8173-5507-4): $20.97 USD (30% discount) =20 The Alphabet "Ron Silliman's ongoing long poem The Alphabet . . . mingles quotidian observation, linguistic philosophical reflection, and street-level social critique to produce as vivid, systemic, and cumulatively moving an account of contemporary life as any poet now writing."- Times Literary Supplement 6 x 9 / 952 pages (cloth, ISBN 978-0-8173-1618-1): $59.50 USD (30% discount) (paper, ISBN 978-0-8173-5493-0): $27.97 USD (30% discount) =20 Another South (paper, ISBN 978-0-8173-1241-1): $5.00 USD =20 Differentials (paper, ISBN 978-0-8173-5128-1): $5.00 USD =20 Domestic shipping: $5.00 for the first book and $1.00 for each additional book Canada residents add 7% GST International shipping: $8.50 per book =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:02:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: d.a. levy lives renegade press 2008-09 schedule MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Next week we're kicking off the sixth season of our d.a. levy lives: =20 celebrating the renegade press series. In our first five years we've =20 hosted 54 non-N.Y.C. small presses and 25 N.Y.C. presses. Below is =20 this season's schedule, featuring 11 more non-N.Y.C. presses and five =20 more N.Y.C. ones (with all poets and musical acts TBA, excluding this =20 month's event). Thanks for your continued support. as ever, David ------------ d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press Remaining 2007-08 schedule (all events take place at 6:00 p.m. on last Tuesdays?except July?at ACA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr., NYC) Season 6 d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press 2008 **Thurs. Sept. 18 Minor/American (Durham, N.C.) http://minoramerican.blogspot.com/ Elise Ficarra and Kathryn Pringle, eds. featuring readings from Samar Albuhassan David Need Andrea Rexilius Ken Rumble Diane Timblin and music from Liv Carrow http://www.myspace.com/livcarrow **Tues. Oct. 28 subpress collective http://www.durationpress.com/subpress/ Greg Fuchs, co-ed. **Tues. Nov. 25 NYC Small Presses night featuring Farfalla Press http://www.farfallapress.blogspot.com/ Gary Parrish, editor Open 24 Hours John Coletti and Greg Fuchs, eds. :::the press gang::: http://pressgangsters.com/ cristiana baik and sara wintz, eds. X-ing Books http://www.x-ingbooks.com/ Amy Mees and Mark Wagner, eds. and one more TBD **Tues. Dec. 16 Dos Press (Maxwell, Texas) C.J. Martin and Julia Drescher, eds. http://www.dospress.blogspot.com/ 2009 **Tues. Jan. 27 Ahsahta Press (Boise, Idaho) Janet Holmes, ed. http://ahsahtapress.boisestate.edu **Tues. Feb. 24 Atelos Publishing Project (Berkeley, Calif.) http://www.atelos.org Lyn Hejinian and Travis Ortiz, eds. **Tues. March 31 Atticus Finch Chapbooks (Seattle) http://www.atticusfinch.org/ Michael Cross, ed. **Tues. April 28 Bird Dog (Seattle) http://www.birddogmagazine.com/ Sarah Mangold, ed. **Tues. May 26 Dusie Press (Switzerland) http://www.dusie.org/dusiepress.html Susana Gardner, ed. **Tues. June 30 Effing Press (Austin, Texas) http://www.effingpress.com/ Scott Pierce, ed. **Tues. July 28 TBD -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:43:58 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: This Friday! September 12th! At 7pm! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This Friday! September 12th! At 7pm! =A0 with Amy King, Leslie Anne Mcilroy with guitarist Don Bertschman & Nellie Bridge! =A0 Our Fate is in Their Hands! =A0 Amy King is the author of I=92m the Man Who Loves You and Antidotes for an Alibi, both from Blazevox Books, and most recently, Kiss M= e with the Mouth of Your Country (Dusie Press). She is the moderator for the Poetics List and the Women=92s Poetry Listserv, and teaches English and Cre= ative Writing at Nassau Community College. She is currently editing an anthology, The Urban Poetic, forthcoming from Factory = School. =A0 Leslie Anne Mcilroy won the 2001 Word Press Poetry Prize for her full-length collection Rare Space and the 1997 Slipstream Poetry Chapbo= ok Prize for her chapbook Gravel. Her second full-length book, Liquid Like Thi= s, was published by Word Press in July 2008. Leslie=92s daughter, Silas, is a = poetic six. Don Bertschman is a musician and writer who studied with Coleman Barks= at the University of Georgia. Leslie and Don live in Pittsburgh, PA where they work as copywriters. =A0 Nellie Bridge grew up in Washington State, and has lived in New York for the last seven years. Her poems have appeared in Rattapallax, KNOCK, Painted Bride Quarterly, New Delta Review, and other places. She lives in Brooklyn and works at the Authors Guild. =A0 Only at Pete=92s Candy Store 709 Lorimer Street, Williamsburg, Brooklyn (718) 302-3770 =A0 =93L=94 to Lorimer, =93G=94 to Metropolitan. =A0 FREE! =A0 Visit http://www.multifariousarray.blogspot.com/ for links to their work and email me for more information. Sommer Browning, Host http://www.petescandystore.com/bigpoetry/index.html _______ Movies With Poems http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/movies-with-poetry/ Poems To Do http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/poetry-exercises-wanted/ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:17:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: submissions open for our mad bunkers' mashup issue Comments: To: e-pubs@yahoogroups.com, lit-events@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Calling works for an unprecedented mashup of two stately publishing venues: [image: The Mad Hatters' Review & Bunk Magazine] Wedding date: Spring/Summer 2009 Reception: The Mad Bunkers' Mash & Racket Club, Bronx, NY & Somewhere off the L.A. Freeway, date TBA **************** Mashup is the spirit of the day (second only to dementia): Mash a Democrat and a Tory. Mash a Hip Hop CD with Beethoven's Ninth. Mix the movie Dark Victory with a modern Japanese horror movie sound track. Cross eclairs with ecosystems, a Bush speech with a toilet brush. Of course, writers have been mashing for quite some time with their cutups and exquisite corpses. Mashup is what happens when content is no longer king, usurped by the mischievous jester adept at standing on his head and hands, spouting irreverent nonsensical sense, walking with frivolity on ceilings, pirouetting on paradoxes, ridiculing rules and rulers, and turning rapid somersaults -- all for the pleasure of the jester, her audience, and his sagacious self. [image: in homage] WE WILL BE OPEN FOR EMAIL SUBMISSIONS ONLY (madbunkers@yahoo.com cc: madbunkers@gmail.com) ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. Deadlines vary according to category. SEE http://www.madhattersreview.com/submit.shtml for full, incomprehensible guidelines. MAD HATTERS' REVIEW: edgy & enlightened art, literature, & music in the Age of Dementia: http://www.madhattersreview.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:02:26 -0700 Reply-To: ndm_g@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andy Gricevich Subject: CANNOT EXIST #3 is out--submissions open for #4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hooray! Cannot Exist no.3 is available! It's a stupendous issue, with 50 pages of poetry by Alex Burford Mark Cunningham Carrie Etter Lawrence Giffin William Gillespie Kevin Killian Mark Lamoureux Bonnie Jean Michalski Sheila E. Murphy Andy Nicholson Dirk Stratton Now that we've had the chance to read it as non-editors, it's blowing our mind with even greater oomph. Like the first three issues, it features a glossy wraparound cover with odd art (in this case, by the editor), over a cardstock cover, saddle-stapled and assembled by hand in Madison, Wisconsin. As with previous issues, the materials are all acid-free and (except for the cardstock) partially recycled, and all the printing was done at Lakeside Press, our local IWW printing co-op, where even the neighbors are friendly enough to refrain from yelling at the editor when he blocks their driveway as he runs inside to pick up the copies. All this for a mere four bucks, plus shipping. Oh, such good poetry. Submissions are open for issue 4 (to come out in December), and will remain so through October 31st. For ordering information and submissions guidelines, visit http://cannotexist.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:04:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Kevin Killian Subject: For San Francisco fans, Taylor Mead comes to Yerba Buena Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm so excited that Taylor Mead is coming here=20 next week and I want everyone to know about it!=20 Come on, Bay Area, the guy hasn't been here in,=20 hmm, 30 years, and he was born in 1924! Living=20 legend! Meet me and Dodie in the front row when they show, THE FLOWER THIEF! xxx Kevin K. >Yerba Buena Center for the Arts presents >TAYLOR MEAD: A CLOWN UNDERGROUND >Thu, Sep 18, Fri, Sep 19 & Sun, Sep 21, 7:30 pm >Taylor Mead in person Sep 18 & 19 > >"If he had decided to live in Paris instead of=20 >New York, they'd have built several monuments to=20 >Taylor Mead a long time ago." - Gary Indiana > >"My philosophy is from Nietzsche: minimum of=20 >effort and maximum of error. It's gotten me=20 >practically nowhere." - Taylor Mead > >Performer and poet Taylor Mead has starred in=20 >over 100 films and is a central figure in the=20 >history of underground cinema. He is best known=20 >for the films he made with Andy Warhol,=20 >including Lonesome Cowboys and Nude Restaurant).=20 >Now over 80 years old, Mead's work has a mature=20 >innocence, and a celebration of (and longing=20 >for) peace and joy that is missing from so much=20 >contemporary art today. His performances often=20 >bring to mind Chaplin's "tramp" character. Mead=20 >will make his first San Francisco appearance in=20 >decades. > >Thu, Sep 18, 7:30 pm >THE FLOWER THIEF >BY RON RICE >"In Ron Rice's baggy-pantsed beatnik artifact,=20 >Warhol superstar in training Mead traipses with=20 >elfin glee through a lost San Francisco of=20 >smoke-stuffed North Beach caf=E9s, oceanside=20 >fairgrounds, and collapsed post-industrial=20 >ruins. Boinging along an improvised picaresque=20 >up and down the city's hills, Mead teases=20 >playground schoolkids, gets abducted by cowboys=20 >in the park, and has a tea party on a pile of=20 >rubble with a potbellied bathing beauty."=20 >-Village Voice. Screening will be followed by a=20 >discussion and reading with Mead. > >Fri, Sep 19, 7:30 pm >LONESOME COWBOYS >BY ANDY WARHOL >Long before Brokeback Mountain there was=20 >Lonesome Cowboys, a homoerotic satire of the=20 >Western with a hilarious, raunchy co-starring=20 >role by Mead. Shot on location at a ranch in=20 >Arizona used previously for John Wayne movies,=20 >Warhol edited the film while recuperating from=20 >his gunshot wound. Also starring Viva and Joe=20 >Dallesandro. Followed by discussion with Mead. > >Sun, Sep 21, 7:30 pm >EXCAVATING TAYLOR MEAD >BY WILLIAM A. KIRKLEY >If you enjoyed any of the other Mead screenings,=20 >you won't want to miss this poignant=20 >documentary, which offers many insights into the=20 >life of this underground superstar. The film=20 >follows Mead through his eccentric daily life,=20 >and examines the complete history of his film=20 >and performance work. Narrated by Steve Buscemi. > > >YERBA BUENA CENTER FOR THE ARTS >701 MISSION ST (AT THIRD) >SAN FRANCISCO > >FOR TICKETS AND INFORMATION, VISIT WWW.YBCA.ORG OR CALL 415-978-ARTS > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:12:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Douglas Manson Subject: new chapbook by Jaye Bartell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline dear poetics list members little scratch pad editions chapbooks are now available at the publisher's blog: www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com Jaye Bartell *Ever After / Never Under : 20 choruses *Kristianne Meal *TwentyTwo : first pallet *Michael Basinski *Of Venus 93 *Douglas Manson *At Any Point (to becoming normal)* More books ahead The press also has a myspace page: www.myspace.com/inksaudible thanks, doug manson editor-in-handkeringchief bird-in-hand head-in-handsome chief-of-antlermoss & tuskless-in-the-beringstrait -- www.myspace.com/inksaudible www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:40:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lewis Warsh Subject: Zen Monster reading Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Zen, leftist, secular, jewish-buddhist african art & literature magazine ZEN MONSTER kicks off with an inaugural reading Wednesday, Sept. 24 6-7:30 PM Bowery Poetry Club 303 Bowery NYC 10012 212 614 0505 Poets, writers, readers and visual artists include Karen Russell, Bob Perelman, Eliot Katz, Robyn Ellenbogen, Simon Pettet, Lorraine Stone, Andrea Clark Libin, Willie Cole, Matvei Yankelevich, Lewis Warsh, John High, Charles Bernstein, Stephen Paul Miller, Ammiel Alcalay, Steve Benson, Brian Unger & special guests. Brian Unger Editor, ZEN MONSTER bunger@dwjtv.com > New Zen, leftist, secular, jewish-buddhist african art & literature =20= > magazine Zen Monster kicks off with an inaugural reading at Bowery =20 > Poetry Club Sept 24, 6 =96 7:30 p.m. Poets, writers, readers and =20 > visual artists include Karen Russell, Bob Perelman, Eliot Katz, =20 > Robyn Ellenbogen, Simon Pettet, Lorraine Stone, Andrea Clark Libin, =20= > Willie Cole, Matvei Yankelevich, Lewis Warsh, John High, Charles =20 > Bernstein, Stephen Paul Miller, Ammiel Alcalay, Steve Benson, Brian =20= > Unger and assorted special guests. > > > > > Brian Unger > editor > zen monster > 917-453-7311 cellular > bunger@dwjtv.com > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:18:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We in the hive are pleased to announce a week of devotions: http://www.beardofbees.com/decarteret.html Enjoy! Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:25:58 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Martin Espada on torture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I personally do not know Martin Espada's poetry. However, he was a strong, smart breath of fresh air on yesterday evening's PBS News Hour. He was the poet - among three other panelists who discussed the consequences of 9/11. He spoke directly to the way in which 9/11 had been used to abuse and manipulate the language. Most specifically how the phrase "enhanced interrogation" became a means to subvert the Law and permit this country to commit acts of "torture" and make torture 'standard operating procedure'. Poor Jim Leherer (Sp?) could hardly permit this view (truth) into the discussion with a respnse of follow up from the other panelists. The focus was supposed to be on how this country had been abused, and valiantly recovered (I assume). Now how we as a nation had used 9/11 to up-end the constitution, etc. If anybody knows Martin Espada thank him for that! Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:06:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Jo Malo Subject: Re: Hadron Collider risk to planet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" We each bang out into a black hole eventually: we each take chances with=20= others' lives, right? Leonard Susskind (who incidentally won his bet with= =20 Stephen Hawking) said string theory mathematics seems to support the=20 concept that we might already be living in a black hole, with the sum tot= al of=20 all mass & energy stored as a hologram on the event horizon. Seems th= ere's a=20 little poetry in that comfort! BEAT AMONG THE STARS for Robert Creeley six billion hearts beat each drumming their one moment nothing is love we dance in a black hole tomb ears on our hearts hands in our pants no particular reason for random love except a free bang on a level unified playing field particulate and subject to the laws of attraction bound by the speed of light man i'm so beat from WAITING FOR APOPHIS: or DECONSTRUCTING ABSURDITY Mary Jo Malo =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:44:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Hadron Collider risk to planet In-Reply-To: <17654045.160441221053878702.JavaMail.www@wwinf3723> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 10 Sep 2008 at 15:37, Jeffrey Side wrote: > ... Some experts fear that the risk of operating the LHC > disproportionately outweighs anything science might gain from this > experiment. ... > These events have the potential to fundamentally alter matter and > destroy our planet." This is sort of like being a black, woman, or gay Republican, isn't it -- that is, it's something people do only because it gets them attention that they couldn't get if they were Democrats because there are so many better-qualified black, woman, or gay Democrats that declaring themselves Republicans is the only chance the individuals have of achieving any fame. Here we have some of the few scientists to oppose the LHC -- and no doubt it's because they couldn't get a job on the LHC team because there were so many better-qualified scientists. So now by screaming against it they get some press. Besides, I'll bet that you believe the massive consensus of scientists who say that there is indeed global warming, or who say that cigarets are harmful to your health, and you disregard the ones who say the evidence is made up of statistical anomalies -- so why would you disbelieve the massive consensus of scientists about the LHC and believe the few who agitate against it? Either it's reasonable to believe scientists, who have demonstrated an historic concern for telling the truth as they understand it, or it's not -- and if not, then why EVER believe them? Marcus ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:03:38 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Meditation - HiltonObenzinger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meditations in a Time of Delusions and Lies =96 28 =20 =A0 =20 November 5th, 2008: What Did You Expect? =A0 Hilton Obenzinger =A0 I write these meditations from time to time in an attempt to stay sane.=A0 If you find them tedious, apply the magic of delete.=A0 If you want to share them with others, feel free to do so. =20 =A0 =20 September 10, 2008 =20 It=92s November 5th, 2008. =20 =A0 =20 White people have been given the cue to reject a black man with code words like =93hockey mom=94 and =93pit bull with lipstick.=94 Gender has been pitted against race to allow white people to talk about =93working class=94 to mean white people got to keep what=92s theirs against the onslaught of effete wine-drinking law professor black men. Huh? Cavalcade o= f distractions, Swift Boats in all ports, blatant mendacious fabrications, an= d over-ripe baloney piled to even higher levels than the first 8 years of Rov= e. New terms have been added to the twisted cynical fascist lexicon, =93lipstick=94 joining =93honor=94 and =93service=94 and =93homeland.=94=A0 Two colonial frontiers go head to head: Alaska of desperate last-chance white folks versus Hawaii of mellow mix-mix= . America no mo=92 bettah mix-mix. Alaska crude wins. =20 =A0 =20 What do you expect? =20 =A0 =20 Bush has locked American logic into endless occupation of Iraq, which the Happy Fighter Pilot embraces with joy. The attack on Iran is now cleared for take-off. Pakistan is on the =93to pulp=94 list. The solution to war is more war, wider war. The solution to occupation is more occupation, wider occupation. Israeli leaders can barely contain themselves; they decide to extend The Wall to Jupiter. America looks the other way. Crazed victims of America get even crazier, and even more Americans still can=92t figure out why they hate us. Good people all over the world set up =93Committees in Solidarity with the People of the United States=94 (CISPUS). In El Salvador and Germany and Vietnam they argue and agonize over what the true meaning o= f solidarity is all about =96 Sending money to besieged truth-tellers in New Jersey? Singing songs of the Spanish Civil War? Should they campaign for Boycott and Divestment?=A0 CISPUS reaches out to underground Americans waiting for the decades-long Alaska winter night to end, but they know that only the oppressed Americans are the ones who can defeat the Four Budweiser Delivery Trucks of the Apocalypse. =20 =A0 =20 What do you expect? =20 =A0 =20 Oh, I forgot. Russia now bad, them big bad Russians. Surround them with missiles, goad them with NATO, provoke them =96 and we can have a Cold War again. Good for arms business, happiness for missile guidance systems. The first C= old War turns out to have had little to do with ideology =96 something a lot of people suspected all along =96 so we can go back to square one =96 ah, containment and confrontation =96 all wrapped in the warm blanket of familiar fear, along with lust for oil. And then there=92s China . . .=20 =20 =A0 =20 What do you expect? =20 =A0 =20 A thousand miles off the coast of San Francisco a mass of plastic bags two times the s= ize of Texas floats in the Pacific =96 this is fact, check it out. Soon the continent of crap drifts toward the coast, and Americans strangle in their = own garbage. Dead zones at the mouth of the Mississippi expand in all direction= s. Bees die off, fruit trees wither, frogs disappear =96 and perky Sarah hunts down polar bears from helicopters as they swim in Arctic Jacuzzis. Do you m= iss honey? Do you miss apples? Do you miss the North Pole? =20 =A0 =20 What do you expect? =20 =A0 =20 Americans are told they don=92t want a =93Washington Bureaucrat=94 to make their health-care decisions. They are happy to have a bureaucrat in Connect= icut or Wall Street to decide instead. Actually, once again Americans are left w= aiting in the Emergency Room =96 which is about to be shut down. This is freedom of choice. =20 =A0 =20 Women have no choice, even if they die, to carry babies to the maws of death in K= abul or Baghdad or Texas Death Row, which is =93pro life.=94 Sex is bad, abstain from touching yourself in those goofy places, abstain from joy, avo= id all candor, avoid all knowledge, keep your secret places to yourself =96 and, above all, do not touch anyone=92s private parts that look like your own. =20 =A0 =20 Capitalism continues to eat its own. No regulation means constant regurgitation. Banks kill themselves off like bees. Putrid carcass free market burgers kill off entire cities like bees, no need for hurricanes. No one checks the meat, no= one checks the drugs, no one checks the ads on TV to buy the drugs, no one chec= ks the drug companies who are put in charge of saving the planet in sacred tru= st with oil companies. More poor, more pain, more jails, more crank, less scho= ol, no science, more God, less compassion, less jobs, more shopping days before= Christmas, less reality, more reality TV, more stupidity, less art, more dead brain. =20 =A0 =20 And what do I expect? =20 =A0 =20 Actually, on November 5th, 2008, I expect joy.=20 =20 =A0 =20 Joy for a government that, while no means perfect, hears people, that the peopl= e have not been fooled one more time, and that the ballot boxes have not been stuffed, and a black man leads the descendants of masters and slaves, immigrants and natives, the meager and the mighty, judged by his character = and not by the color of his skin. For a government that acts without corporate veto, that harkens to an America of many-ness and ferment. That allows the community organizer to reach across the continent to gather the energies of multitudes to take up the task ourselves.=A0 That you are cared for when yo= u are sick, that you are cared for in order not to get sick. The People=92s Herald watches Great Greed, regulating, not allowing the thoughtless collap= se of dreams and the careless injection of poison. That war is not the busines= s of America, that problems are solved before countries and peoples are destroye= d, that children will learn in schools that can teach, that people can work at jobs that pay and grow the spirit, that religion belongs to people and not politicians, that the people take the lead to save the planet, that that we grow prosperous through the exercise of new ideas, that bees will live, and songs and all the other expressions take us to the world, and the world bri= ngs us thanks, and that courage means living in that world, sharing problems an= d promises and power.=20 =20 =A0 =20 On November 5th, 2008, I expect it will be possible to imagine all of these things, and more. =20 =A0 =20 Which America do you expect on November 5th, 2008? What will you do to make it happen? =20 =A0 =20 Hilton Obenzinger =20 =A0 =20 =A0 =20 =A0 =20 Hilton Obenzinger, PhD =20 Associate Director, Hume Writing Center, Honors and Advanced Writing =20 432 Margaret Jacks Hall =20 Stanford University =20 650-723-0330 =20 =A0=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:54:49 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andrew Jones Subject: fUNny MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.theonion.com/content/news/national_endowment_for_the_arts ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:41:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: James T Sherry Subject: Segue Reading Series Fall 2008 at Bowery Poetry Club Comments: To: segue n MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SWYgYW55IG9mIHlvdSB3YW50IHRvIHJlY2VpdmUgdGhpcyB2aWEgc25haWwgbWFpbCwgcGxlYXNl IHJlcGx5IHdpdGggeW91ciANCmFkZHJlc3MuDQoNClNFR1VFIFJFQURJTkcgU0VSSUVTDQpAIEJP V0VSWSBQT0VUUlkgQ0xVQg0KVGhlc2UgZXZlbnRzIGFyZSBtYWRlIHBvc3NpYmxlLCBpbiBwYXJ0 LCANCndpdGggcHVibGljIGZ1bmRzIGZyb20gVGhlIE5ldyBZb3JrIFN0YXRlIENvdW5jaWwgb24g dGhlIEFydHMsIGEgc3RhdGUgDQphZ2VuY3kuDQpTYXR1cmRheXM6IDQ6MDAgcC5tLuKAkzY6MDAg cC5tLg0KMzA4IEJPV0VSWSwganVzdCBub3J0aCBvZiBIb3VzdG9uDQoqKioqJDYgYWRtaXNzaW9u IGdvZXMgdG8gc3VwcG9ydCB0aGUgcmVhZGVycyoqKioNCkZhbGwgLyBXaW50ZXIgMjAwOOKAkzIw 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Ismael Reed dicusses the bastard children of Gary Synder in "From Totems to Hip-HOp." He's cool with Synder. & Synder did, after all, do his homework. But along come the shaman wanna-bees. Yeah. Reed is on to something. He's dead right, I think, about Fowler. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:35:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Wanda Phipps (with Stephen B. Antonakos on Guitar) & Bonny Finberg at Perch Cafe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey: 7:30pm on Tuesday, September 16th I am celebrating the publication of my new book Field of Wanting: Poems of Desire (BlazeVOX [books]) reading and singing a little (accompanied by guitarist Stephen B. Antonakos) with Bonny Finberg fresh from Paris reading as well (Open Mic after Featured Readers) at Literary Tuesdays at Perch Cafe 365 5th Ave. (between 5th and 6th St.) Park Slope Brooklyn, New York 11215 Cost:Free/Gratis/Zip only your lovely presence is required More on Bonny: her fiction, poetry, art and book reviews have been published widely. Her work has been translated into French, Hungarian and Japanese. She lives in Paris, and has just finished her first novel, Kali's Day -- Wanda Phipps Check out my websites: http://www.mindhoney.com and http://www.myspace.com/wandaphippsband My latest book of poetry Field of Wanting: Poems of Desire available at: http://www.blazevox.org/bk-wp.htm And my 1st full-length book of poems Wake-Up Calls: 66 Morning Poems available at:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/193236031X/ref=rm_item ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:41:42 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Terrill Subject: THE SALVADOR-DALAI-LAMA EXPRESS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NEW CHAPBOOK BY MARK TERRILL FORTHCOMING FROM MAIN STREET RAG A new 40-page chapbook of my poems, The Salvador-Dalai-Lama Express, is = tentatively scheduled for publication on November 17, 2008. The = publisher, Main Street Rag, is offering an advance order discount = through November 10th. Until that date, copies of the chapbook can be = ordered for $7.00 instead of the regular $10.00 cover price. =20 To make an advance order, go to Main Street Rag's Coming Soon Page and = place your order via PayPal, which is the preferred method of payment. = You'll find separate links for domestic & overseas orders. The advance = discount price applies to online sales ONLY.=20 Main Street Rag Online Bookstore http://www.mainstreetrag.com/store/ =20 Coming Soon Page http://www.mainstreetrag.com/store/ComingSoon.php =20 =20 Both the release date and the size of the press run will be determined = in part by the amount of advance sales, so your orders are important, as = well as a good way to save some money. You'll also be supporting that = endangered species known as the "small press." Here's an excerpt from = The Salvador-Dalai-Lama Express: =20 =20 Ultramarine =20 Prosperous in our ignorance, ignorant in our prosperity, the laws of nature rain down upon us in our stylish waxed cotton designer raincoats. =20 The hottest summer on record and we're cooling our drinks with chunks of ice broken off from the=20 polar ice cap as it floats by the kitchen window. =20 =20 Other poems in The Salvador-Dalai-Lama Express have appeared or are = forthcoming in Babylon Burning: 9/11 Five Years On, Blades, Blue Book, = Bordercrossing Berlin, The Caf=E9 Review, California Quarterly, Chiron = Review, Diagram, Eclipse, Gin Bender Poetry Review, Little Horse's = Magazine, Louis Liard Magazine, Mineshaft, New Delta Review, Nth = Position, Origin, Poesia, Poetry Salzburg Review, Presa, Red Mountain = Review, Salamander, Santa Clara Review, Saranac Review, Shearsman, = Spillway, Sulphur River Literary Review, Thunder Sandwich, Upstairs at = Duroc, Vox, Vulcan and Water~Stone Review. =20 Cheers, Mark Terrill Hafenstra=DFe 37 25712 Burg Germany http://home.arcor.de/markterrill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:56:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Wilcox Subject: Third Thursday Poetry Night, Albany, NY: Michael Hare featured Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed the Poetry Motel Foundation presents Third Thursday Poetry Night at the Social Justice Center 33 Central Ave., Albany, NY Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:00 sign up; 7:30 start Featured Poet: Michael Hare Michael's first book is "Saratoga Lives" (Equipoise Press of Saratoga=20 Springs), a collection of poems in which characters speak in the=20 present tense on four days spanning 200-years.=A0The format resembles=20 "Spoon River Anthology".=A0Most, but not all, characters are=20 fictional.=A0They all speak only once, and their comments range from=20 about eight lines to about 30 lines. -- with open mic for community poets before & after the feature:=A0$3.00=20= donation, suggested; more if you got it, less if you can't.=A0Your=20 monthly host:=A0Dan Wilcox. =A0 CHARLES MONTGOMERY=A0(1879) by Michael Hare All winter my wife, who was heavy with child, Had cravings for coconuts.=A0In the morning, In the middle of the night, coconuts, coconuts! Finding a coconut in Saratoga in the middle of March is like finding a rowboat in the Grand Union Hotel, So when Dennis Alvord went to New York, I asked him to bring back a coconut. It was large, perfect in shape, and My wife excitedly cracked it open, Only to find it rotted on the inside. In May our child was stillborn and the promised milk Is dried and hardened. In daylight and at night I roam through Saratoga, observing its Elegant hotels, splendid parks and delightful springs And ask myself: If the whole business were bared, How much would be diseased within? ## =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Please send checks to Tinfish Press, 47-728 Hui Kelu Street #9, Kaneohe, HI 96744 or go to our website, tinfishpress.com, and use the credit card thingy. aloha, Susan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:13:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: ISHMAEL REED/FROM TOTEMS TO HIP-HOP/PHONEY WHITE SHAMANS In-Reply-To: <582738.92550.qm@web52401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit could you say more, steve? thanks, ruth On 9/12/08 4:43 PM, "steve russell" wrote: > How many people are familiar with Gene Fowler? Ismael Reed dicusses the > bastard children of Gary Synder in "From Totems to Hip-HOp." He's cool with > Synder. & Synder did, after all, do his homework. But along come the shaman > wanna-bees. Yeah. Reed is on to something. He's dead right, I think, about > Fowler. > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:10:02 -0700 Reply-To: mkasimor@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mary Kasimor Subject: new book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not very good at doing this--but I will get better...I have a new book= published by BlazeVox Books...silk string arias. I am satisfied with this = book. I hope that some of you will take the time to pick it up. =A0 Mary Kasimor=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:09:25 -0400 Reply-To: Bonnie MacAllister Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Bonnie MacAllister Subject: Blam! Poetry at Mugshots on Wednesday Comments: To: Adam Meora , Nat Anderson Comments: cc: Crucial Poet , "natalie c. felix" , Nathaniel Carey , Munky Pants , Maria Pace , Jeff Manassero , Jeffrey Schulte , Jed Williams , Elisa , Ilana Grubin , Dara Gross , Joe Durrance , Laura Stroffolino , lora Bloom , Lisa Photo , Crystal Son , David Hewitt , Michelle Wilson , Virginia Maksymowicz , Marie Kay , Marie Elcin , Alison Altergott , jane cassady , Turtle Ink Press , Alexander Jorgensen , Matt , Matt Sutin , Michelle Chaplin Partlow , Ann Myers , "mandrone@alb.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bonnie MacAllister, Monica Pace, Brian Sammond Blam! Poetry Series in Fairmount Host: Adam Meora Contact: Adam Meora adamreal2000@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 Location: Mugshots Street: 2100 Fairmount Avenue City/Town: Philadelphia, PA Description Wednesday September,17 2008 Poetry Blam - in Fairmount - Bonnie MacAllister resides in a West Philadelphia house constructed in 1868. In the United States, her multi-media art work has appeared most recently as part of the Feminist Art Project in Michigan, and at the Redding Gallery (Wilmington), Main Line Art Center, DC Arts Center, the Philip Ratner Museum, AIR Gallery (NYC), Penn State, Holy Family College, the Inquirer Building, and High Wire Gallery (Philadelphia). Bonnie's publication credits include Black Robert Journal, nth Position, Helix, Parlor, and Turtle Ink Press (who nominated her for the Pushcart Prize.) Her recent chapbook was recently acquired by the Barnard College Library and permanent collections in Uruguay, Belgium, and Italy. Bonnie is the Co-President of the Women's Caucus for Art, Philadelphia Chapter (National Women's Caucus for Art, an official NGO of the United Nations.) Monica Pace A resident of Philadelphia, PA, Monica Pace holds a Master's Degree in Communication from Drexel University. Her academic and avocational interests include writing, languages, visual art, music, travel, education, and international politics and cultures. Her nine published articles include interviews with Pulitzer-Prize winning novelist James Alan McPherson, playwrights Joan Holden and Bruce Graham, and actor and co-creator of Strangers with Candy, Paul Dinello. Her poems have been published in the Philadelphia arts journal, HiNgE (http://www.hingeonline.com), and abroad in Andrew Lovat's Dead Drunk Dublin (http://www.deaddrunkdublin.com). Pace, who vows never to write the Great American Novel, instead entertains thoughts of sending her completed proposal for Let's Bowl, an international bowling travel guide, to a reputable publisher. Brian Sammond is a work-at-home computer programmer. He can frequently be seen on his mountain bike in the hills of Southeast Pennsylvania, or at open mics throughout the Philadelphia area, when he is not playing with his nieces and nephews. His work has been published in the Philadelphia Inquirer and The Mad Poets Review. http://www.mugshotscoffeehouse.com/contact.cfm http://bonnie-macallister.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:49:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Harry Ross Subject: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at Thebes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hello, I've lurked on this list for a few years, and very much enjoyed reading m= any posts. Not an academic and not much of a poet I've never posted. Anyway, what I do do is work in classical music and I am producing an operatic adaptation of The Burial at Thebes which will be designed and directed by= Derek Walcott. The show opens at Shakespeare's Globe, London in about a month. Anyway, I thought I'd let you all know as you might find it interesting to discuss one poet directing another's work. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:57:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: ISHMAEL REED/FROM TOTEMS TO HIP-HOP/PHONEY WHITE SHAMANS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that would force me to be honest. but why not. Fowler got on my nerves duri= ng the brief period i posted on MOAG. & one night i got drunk & insulted=A0= both Fowler and the Fowler click. I was thrown off of the site and should h= ave been because I was a drunken jerk. None-the-less, after reading Reed's = comments, my disdain for Fowler seems legit. Too bad I expressed my disdain= in the manner that i did, but I can't stand self-appointed shamans. If I e= ver insult them & their fans again, I'll do so when sober. If nothing else,= it'll save me some embaressment. =0A=0A=0Age ----=0AFrom: Ruth Lepson =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Saturday, S= eptember 13, 2008 1:13:34 PM=0ASubject: Re: ISHMAEL REED/FROM TOTEMS TO HIP= -HOP/PHONEY WHITE SHAMANS=0A=0Acould you say more, steve?=0A=0Athanks,=0Aru= th=0A=0A=0AOn 9/12/08 4:43 PM, "steve russell" wro= te:=0A=0A> How many people are familiar with Gene Fowler? Ismael Reed dicus= ses the=0A> bastard children of Gary Synder in "From Totems to Hip-HOp." He= 's cool with=0A> Synder. & Synder did, after all, do his homework. But alon= g come the shaman=0A> wanna-bees. Yeah. Reed is on to something. He's dead = right, I think, about=0A> Fowler. =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check= guidelines &=0A> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.ht= ml=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is m= oderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: ht= tp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:01:35 -0700 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at Thebes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting. I was thinking about poets and playwrighting recently, cuz, back in the day, lots of heavy hitters were involved in the theatre. Yeats, in a big big way. & Eliot, of course. & Rilke, too, although I'm not sure how involved Rilke actually was with the theatre, but he did write plays. & Walcott has written a number of successful plays. Seamus H, I don't think has written an original play, but he's done that very good adaptation, and now he directs. Of contemporary playwrights, at least among the Americans, I know that Sam Shepard and Mamet have written poems, and Shepard has had some interesting experimental plays that have included poetry. & of course, back back back in the day, there was also Bertold Brecht. although he's no further back than either Yeats, Rilke, or Eliot. Ugh, Shakespeare, Marlow, Johnson, & that Greek thing that Heaney's directing. That's going far back. --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Harry Ross wrote: From: Harry Ross Subject: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at Thebes To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 2:49 PM Hello, I've lurked on this list for a few years, and very much enjoyed reading many posts. Not an academic and not much of a poet I've never posted. Anyway, what I do do is work in classical music and I am producing an operatic adaptation of The Burial at Thebes which will be designed and directed by Derek Walcott. The show opens at Shakespeare's Globe, London in about a month. Anyway, I thought I'd let you all know as you might find it interesting to discuss one poet directing another's work. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:37:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: ISHMAEL REED/FROM TOTEMS TO HIP-HOP/PHONEY WHITE SHAMANS In-Reply-To: <868371.10635.qm@web52410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable well, thanks for your honesty! ruth On 9/13/08 2:57 PM, "steve russell" wrote: > that would force me to be honest. but why not. Fowler got on my nerves du= ring > the brief period i posted on MOAG. & one night i got drunk & insulted=A0bot= h > Fowler and the Fowler click. I was thrown off of the site and should have= been > because I was a drunken jerk. None-the-less, after reading Reed's comment= s, my > disdain for Fowler seems legit. Too bad I expressed my disdain in the man= ner > that i did, but I can't stand self-appointed shamans. If I ever insult th= em & > their fans again, I'll do so when sober. If nothing else, it'll save me s= ome > embaressment.=20 >=20 >=20 > ge ---- > From: Ruth Lepson > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:13:34 PM > Subject: Re: ISHMAEL REED/FROM TOTEMS TO HIP-HOP/PHONEY WHITE SHAMANS >=20 > could you say more, steve? >=20 > thanks, > ruth >=20 >=20 > On 9/12/08 4:43 PM, "steve russell" wrote: >=20 >> How many people are familiar with Gene Fowler? Ismael Reed dicusses the >> bastard children of Gary Synder in "From Totems to Hip-HOp." He's cool w= ith >> Synder. & Synder did, after all, do his homework. But along come the sha= man >> wanna-bees. Yeah. Reed is on to something. He's dead right, I think, abo= ut >> Fowler.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guideli= nes & >> sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> =A0 =A0 =A0=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelin= es & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:41:52 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: andrew burke Subject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at Thebes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Congratulations, Harry. What a 'cast' already: Walcott and Heaney. Perhaps Les Murray could have a part in the chorus ... or perhaps he could BE the chorus! Andrew 2008/9/14 Harry Ross : > Hello, > > I've lurked on this list for a few years, and very much enjoyed reading many > posts. Not an academic and not much of a poet I've never posted. Anyway, > what I do do is work in classical music and I am producing an operatic > adaptation of The Burial at Thebes which will be designed and directed by > Derek Walcott. The show opens at Shakespeare's Globe, London in about a > month. Anyway, I thought I'd let you all know as you might find it > interesting to discuss one poet directing another's work. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Andrew http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:37:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: anybody on list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline teach at any of the claremont colleges? Aaron? david foster wallace -- why??? -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:24:46 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Re: anybody on list - damn. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geez.=A0 First Reginald Shepherd and now David Foster Wallace -- what a wee= k. David Foster Wallace=20 http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-wallace14-2008sep14,0,246155.s= tory Reginald Shepherd http://poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/09/reginald_shepherd_19632008.html His Blog -- http://reginaldshepherd.blogspot.com/ _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Catherine Daly wrote: From: Catherine Daly Subject: anybody on list To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 8:37 PM teach at any of the claremont colleges? Aaron? david foster wallace -- why??? --=20 All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:04:58 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at Thebes In-Reply-To: <12810a820809131541k1e772c87h6ac896637553e1a2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Break a leg, Harry. I wish I could see it, but alas, am too far away. Steve, the question about poetry and theatre has exercised me often. I've sometimes wondered why poets seem less interested than once they were, because theatre is a fascinating art if you're interested in poetry, or so it seems to me. Not that there's not contemporary connections - The UK poet Chris Goode is well known in Britain as a theatre maker, for instance. And the playwright Howard Barker is a fine poet himself. Charles Bernstein has close connection to Richard Foreman and has written libretti himself. Etc etc. Dig a bit and you'll find things. Myself, I've written three libretti (two of which have been produced) and a number of plays for stage and radio. Fwiw, my most recent Salt collection is called THEATRE... I run a blog which reviews and discusses theatre here in Melbourne (occasionally in London, if I'm there) which might interest you - http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com All the best Alison > > 2008/9/14 Harry Ross : >> Hello, >> >> I've lurked on this list for a few years, and very much enjoyed reading many >> posts. Not an academic and not much of a poet I've never posted. Anyway, >> what I do do is work in classical music and I am producing an operatic >> adaptation of The Burial at Thebes which will be designed and directed by >> Derek Walcott. The show opens at Shakespeare's Globe, London in about a >> month. Anyway, I thought I'd let you all know as you might find it >> interesting to discuss one poet directing another's work. >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > > > -- > Andrew > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/ > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:35:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: anybody on list In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read Infinite Jest when I was eighteen. I picked it up on a lark at the Tower Records bookstore on Newbury Street in Boston. I needed something to read to take my mind off the music that had encompassed all of my waking brain time in my first semester at Berklee. It was thick and I figured it would keep me busy for a while at least. Little did I know. Four months later after dilligently working through that monster of a novel, i was quite possibly a different person. it was precisely the right book for me to read at precisely the right time in my life. I'm not sure it would be possible for me to state completely how much an influence his voice had on both my writing and my views on art in general. suffice it to say that i doubt there is anyone else I've ever read who had a greater impact. the future with no more of the brilliance from that man's brain to come when there should have been so much more is not as good as the one we had a few days ago. his is a terrible loss to American literature. over the years, I've known a few brilliant people who decided to take their own lives. it never makes any sense. having sat on that fence once or twice myself, I can't even fathom my own thoughts in that direction, and feel very grateful for the confidence I've found to know that i will never go there again. suicide is one of the great tragedies of our form of life, a gesture at eternity that expresses a pain that defies words. I'm not a religious person, but I hope with all my heart that whatever pain Wallace was feeling he has some peace and relief from it now. I hope he knew at the end how much he and his work meant even to people like me who had never even met him. At the risk of hyperbole, we are all darkened a bit when our brightest lights go out, and there is no question in my mind that David Foster Wallace was such a light. Godspeed sir, my life has been better because of what you have given us all. On Sep 13, 2008, at 5:37 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > teach at any of the claremont colleges? Aaron? > > david foster wallace -- why??? > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly@gmail.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html Jason Quackenbush jfq@myuw.net ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 07:04:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Luke Schlueter Subject: Re: anybody on list - damn. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow. The DFW death in particular really saddens me. I wonder to what = degree the guy was at bottom tortured by hyper-consciousness. His work = suggests as much. =20 Luke ________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) on behalf of amy king Sent: Sat 9/13/2008 10:24 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: anybody on list - damn. Geez. First Reginald Shepherd and now David Foster Wallace -- what a = week. David Foster Wallace http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-wallace14-2008sep14,0,246155= .story Reginald Shepherd http://poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/09/reginald_shepherd_19632008.ht= ml His Blog -- http://reginaldshepherd.blogspot.com/ _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Catherine Daly wrote: From: Catherine Daly Subject: anybody on list To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 8:37 PM teach at any of the claremont colleges? Aaron? david foster wallace -- why??? -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:03:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charlotte Mandel Subject: Women's poetry workshop MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT My course titled "Translating Silences: An Extended Poetry Workshop" starts up again this fall at Barnard College Center for Research on Women, New York City. New and previous participants are welcome. Six sessions on alternate Wednesdays, 6:15 to 8:15 p.m., beginning October 1st. Poets' own work, plus study of a "poet of the month": this semester, Carolyn Forche, Frank O''Hara, James Wright. Registration information at: http://www.barnard.columbia.edu/crow/courses.htm Thanks for spreading the word. AND my new collection, ROCK VEIN SKY is announced and available from Midmarch Arts Press, www.midmarchartspress.org For more information, visit my website at: www.charlottemandel.com Best wishes, Charlotte ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:04:06 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nate Pritts Subject: i like to punch people out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All -=20 Vol. 2 of H_NGM_N's offshoot - the free=2C pdf downloadable=2C single autho= r "poetical 'zine" COMBATIVES - is rolling along with the release of #3 - = Tyler Carter. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:38:32 -0700 Reply-To: b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: anybody on list - damn. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So sad....and somehow I can't help thinking, how selfish of him. He had a l= ot more to give and decided to keep it to himself. --- On Sun, 14/9/08, Luke Schlueter wrote: From: Luke Schlueter Subject: Re: anybody on list - damn. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, 14 September, 2008, 2:04 PM Wow. The DFW death in particular really saddens me. I wonder to what degree= the guy was at bottom tortured by hyper-consciousness. His work suggests as muc= h. =20 Luke ________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) on behalf of amy king Sent: Sat 9/13/2008 10:24 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: anybody on list - damn. Geez. First Reginald Shepherd and now David Foster Wallace -- what a week. David Foster Wallace http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-wallace14-2008sep14,0,246155.s= tory Reginald Shepherd http://poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/09/reginald_shepherd_19632008.html His Blog -- http://reginaldshepherd.blogspot.com/ _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Catherine Daly wrote: From: Catherine Daly Subject: anybody on list To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 8:37 PM teach at any of the claremont colleges? Aaron? david foster wallace -- why??? -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:51:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed In-Reply-To: <442695.50123.qm@web65111.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ARTS / ART & DESIGN=20 =20 | September 14=2C 2008 Art:=20 The Poetry of Scissors and Glue By HOLLAND COTTER The pre-eminent American poet John Ashbery makes his solo debut as professional artist at 81=2C with a modest but polished exhibition of two dozen small collages. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/arts/design/14cott.html?ei=3D5070&emc=3De= ta1 Date: Sun=2C 14 Sep 2008 12:37:32 -0700 From: b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: davidbchirot@HOTMAIL.COM link for that?? --- On Sun=2C 14/9/08=2C David-Baptiste Chirot w= rote: From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday=2C 14 September=2C 2008=2C 5:23 PM ARTS / ART & DESIGN=20 =20 | September 14=2C 2008 Art:=20 The Poetry of Scissors and Glue By HOLLAND COTTER The pre-eminent American poet John Ashbery makes his solo debut as professional artist at 81=2C with a modest but polished exhibition of two dozen small collages. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are part= of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:11:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: David Foster Wallace & the Ropes of Exit Comments: To: wryting-l@listserv.wvu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii David Foster Wallace & the Ropes of Exit (Reflections after a tour of a cemetery) -- Obododimma Oha ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:22:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: dave wallace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline David taught for years in the English department here at ISU. Charlie Harris, former chair, sent this link to the department listserv today. I never met him, he left for Pomona the year I got to Normal, but folks here, both on campus and in town, still talk about him with such love -- not only for his writing but for his heart and warmth. He was they say a genuinely beautiful man. http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_popmachine/2008/09/david-foster-wa.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:33:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sheila Murphy Subject: Collected Chapbooks (1981-2002) Sheila E. Murphy (Blue Lion Books) Comments: To: Imitation poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Blue Lion Books announces a new hardback book by Sheila E. Murphy, COLLECTED CHAPBOOKS (1981 - 2002). A collection of all Murphy's chapbooks issued during that period, many out of print and now available in a beautiful hardcover edition. "For three decades, Sheila E. Murphy has been been one of the master architects of American syntax. Those who have read her poems only in magazines or chapbooks have no idea of their scope, the scale and the depth of her work. For those readers, this collection will be a revelation. This is a great book!" --- Ron Silliman "Sheila E. Murphy is indeed a virtuoso bird, one who takes flight through language at the slightest provocation, carrying her readers with her on long poetic journey. These poems are about linguistic experience, about music on the page and in the head, about ideas approached from surprising angles and made anew, about renewal and revival. Over the last twenty five years I have continually migrated towards Sheila's approachable, lyrical and engaging experiments, basking in the sun-drenched visions she has gathered and made from the worlds and words about her. Collected Chapbooks is an overdue delight, a tribute and a publishing event." --- Rupert Loydell http://www.lulu.com/content/2251616 is the web-address for ordering this book. The book has much to merit purchasing a copy to enrich one's experience of contemporary poetry. In reading this book, you will be amazed at the variety of her poetic discourse, no doubt, in paraphrase, falling in love along with the the spell of her bright syntax. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:48:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Luke Schlueter Subject: Re: Kakutani piece on Foster Wallace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This came out in the NY Times this aft. Luke MICHIKO KAKUTANI | An Appraisal SEP. 15, 2008 Writer Mapped the Mythic and the Mundane David Foster Wallace = used his prodigious gifts as a = writer - his manic, exuberant prose, his ferocious powers of = observation, his ability to fuse avant-garde techniques with = old-fashioned moral seriousness - to create a series of strobe-lit = portraits of a millennial America overdosing on the drugs of = entertainment and self-gratification, and to capture, in the words of = the musician Robert Plant, the myriad "deep and meaningless" facets of = contemporary life.=20 A prose magician, Mr. Wallace was capable of writing - in his fiction = and nonfiction - about subjects from tennis to politics to lobsters, = from the horrors of drug withdrawal to the small terrors of life aboard = a luxury cruise ship, with humor and fervor and verve. At his best he = could write funny, write sad, write sardonic and write serious. He could = map the infinite and infinitesimal, the mythic and mundane. He could = conjure up an absurd future - an America in which herds of feral = hamsters roam the land - while conveying the inroads the absurd has = already made in a country where old television shows are a national = touchstone and asinine advertisements wallpaper our lives. He could make = the reader see state-fair pigs that are so fat they resemble small = Volkswagens; communicate the weirdness of growing up in Tornado Alley, = in the mathematically flat Midwest; capture the mood of Senator John = McCain = 's old "straight talk" campaign of 2000.=20 Mr. Wallace, who died Friday night at his home in Claremont, Calif., at = 46, an apparent suicide, belonged to a generation of writers who grew up = on the work of Thomas Pynchon, Don DeLillo = and Robert Coover = , a generation that came of age in the = '60s and '70s and took discontinuity for granted. But while his own = fiction often showcased his mastery of postmodern pyrotechnics - a cold = but glittering arsenal of irony, self-consciousness and clever narrative = high jinks - he was also capable of creating profoundly human = flesh-and-blood characters with three-dimensional emotional lives. In a = kind of aesthetic manifesto, he once wrote that irony and ridicule had = become "agents of a great despair and stasis in U.S. culture" and = mourned the loss of engagement with deep moral issues that animated the = work of the great 19th-century novelists. For that matter, much of Mr. Wallace's work, from his gargantuan 1996 = novel "Infinite Jest" to his excursions into journalism, felt like = outtakes from a continuing debate inside his head about the state of the = world and the role of the writer in it, and the chasm between idealism = and cynicism, aspirations and reality. The reader could not help but = feel that Mr. Wallace had inhaled the muchness of contemporary America - = a place besieged by too much data, too many video images, too many = high-decibel sales pitches and disingenuous political ads - and had so = many contradictory thoughts about it that he could only expel them in = fat, prolix narratives filled with M=F6bius strip-like digressions, = copious footnotes and looping philosophical asides. If this led to = self-indulgent books badly in need of editing - "Infinite Jest" clocked = in at an unnecessarily long 1,079 pages - it also resulted in some = wonderfully powerful writing.=20 He could riff ingeniously about jailhouse tattoos, videophonic stress = and men's movement meetings. A review of a memoir by the tennis player = Tracy Austin became a meditation on art and athletics and the mastery of = one's craft. A review of a John Updike = novel became an essay on how the "brave = new individualism and sexual freedom" of the 1960s had devolved into = "the joyless and anomic self-indulgence of the Me Generation."=20 Although his books can be uproariously, laugh-out-loud funny, a dark = threnody of sadness and despair also runs through Mr. Wallace's work. He = said in one interview that he set out with "Infinite Jest" "to do = something sad," and that novel not only paints a blackly comic portrait = of an America run amok, but also features a tormented hero, who is = reeling from his discovery of his father's bloody suicide - his head = found splattered inside a microwave oven. Other books too depict = characters grappling with depression, free-floating anxiety and plain = old unhappiness. One of the stories in "Oblivion" revolved around a = cable TV startup called "the Suffering Channel," which presented "still = and moving images of the most intense available moments of human = anguish." Like Mr. DeLillo and Salman Rushdie, and like Dave Eggers = , Zadie Smith = and other younger authors, Mr. Wallace = transcended Philip Rahv's famous division of writers into "palefaces" = (like Henry James = and T. S. Eliot = , who specialized in heady, cultivated works = rich in symbolism and allegory) and "redskins" (like Whitman and = Dreiser, who embraced an earthier, more emotional naturalism). He also = transcended Cyril Connolly's division of writers into "mandarins" (like = Proust, who favored ornate, even byzantine prose) and "vernacular" = stylists (like Hemingway, who leaned toward more conversational tropes). = An ardent magpie, Mr. Wallace tossed together the literary and the = colloquial with hyperventilated glee, using an encyclopedia of styles = and techniques to try to capture the cacophony of contemporary America. = As a result his writing could be both brainy and visceral, fecund with = ideas and rich with zeitgeisty buzz. Over the years he threw off the heavy influence of Mr. Pynchon that was = all too apparent in "The Broom of the System" (1987) - which, like "The = Crying of Lot 49," used Joycean word games and literary parody to = recount the story of a woman's quest for knowledge and identity - to = find a more elastic voice of his own in "Infinite Jest." That novel used = three story lines - involving a tortured tennis prodigy, a former = Demerol addict and Canadian terrorists who want to get their hands on a = movie reputed to be so entertaining it causes anyone who sees it to die = of pleasure - to depict a depressing, toxic and completely = commercialized America. Although that novel suffered from a lack of = discipline and a willful repudiation of closure, it showcased Mr. = Wallace's virtuosity and announced his arrival as one of his = generation's pre-eminent talents. Two later collections of stories - "Brief Interviews With Hideous Men" = (1999) and "Oblivion" (2004), which both featured whiny, narcissistic = characters - suggested a falling off of ambition and a claustrophobic = solipsism of the sort Mr. Wallace himself once decried. But his ventures = into nonfiction, "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" (1997) and = "Consider the Lobster" (2005), grounded his proclivity for meandering, = stream-of-consciousness musings in sharp magazine assignments and = reportorial subjects, and they evinced the same sort of weird telling = details and philosophical depth of field as his most powerful fiction. = They reminded the reader of Mr. Wallace's copious gifts as a writer and = his keen sense of the metastasizing absurdities of life in America at a = precarious hinge moment in time.? ________________________________ From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) on behalf of Gabriel Gudding Sent: Sun 9/14/2008 3:22 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: dave wallace David taught for years in the English department here at ISU. Charlie Harris, former chair, sent this link to the department listserv today. I never met him, he left for Pomona the year I got to Normal, but folks = here, both on campus and in town, still talk about him with such love -- not = only for his writing but for his heart and warmth. He was they say a = genuinely beautiful man. http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_popmachine/2008/09/= david-foster-wa.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check = guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:57:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Obododimma Oha Subject: Fw: David Foster Wallace & the Ropes of Exit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii David Foster Wallace & the Ropes of Exit (Reflections after a tour of a cemetery) http://obododimma.livejournal.com/#entry_4029 -- Obododimma Oha PS: I'm sorry for the double posting. I discovered that the link I provided did not show in my message. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:04:09 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lori Emerson Subject: spam is speech MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi - has anyone been keeping up the ruling in Virginia that that the state's "anti-spam law violates free speech protections under the First Amendment"? This seems so strange and poetic to me - that bulk email, not even the content of the email, is speech. Any thoughts? Lori =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Associated Press September 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM EDT RICHMOND, Va. =97 The Virginia Supreme Court has declared the state's anti-spam law unconstitutional. The unanimous ruling Friday reversed the conviction of a man once considered one of the world's most prolific spammers. The court agreed with Jeremy Jaynes' claim that the anti-spam law violates free speech protections under the First Amendment. In 2004, Jaynes became the first person in the country to be convicted of a felony for sending unsolicited bulk e-mail. Authorities claimed Jaynes sent up to 10 million e-mails a day from his home in Raleigh, N.C. He was sentenced to nine years in prison. Jaynes was charged in Virginia because the e-mails went through an AOL server there. -- Lori Emerson Assistant Professor Department of English University of Colorado at Boulder Hellems 101, 226 UCB Boulder, CO 80309-0226 http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml "For days and weeks on end one racks one's brains to no avail and, if asked, one could not say whether one goes on writing purely out of habit, or a craving for admiration, or because one knows not how to do anything other, or out of sheer wonderment, despair or outrage, any more than one could say whether writing renders one more perceptive or more insane." -- W.G. Sebald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:37:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William James Austin Subject: Blackbox open for submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone, The Blackbox' summer gallery is now open for submissions.? The submission period will last approximately two weeks.? Please be certain to follow the submission guidelines on the Blackbox page.? Per usual, go to WilliamJamesAustin.com and follow the Blackbox link. Best, William James Austin (Bill) ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:53:18 -1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Call for haiku (fwd) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ukiah is in northern california. g ----- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: bookem@pacific.net Dear Poets, The Ukiah Poet Laureate Committee is requesting haiku about the ukiaHaiku festival to use in publicity for the 2009 festival. Please send 1-2 haiku about the festival to Kate Marianchild (katem@mcn.org) by Sunday, September 21. These haiku can be about any part of the festival experience - writing, winning, losing, judging, the awards ceremony, etc. We can use quite a few as we will sprinkle them throughout various notices, articles, and publications between now and next March. You might also like to know that this year the ukiaHaiku festival will be offering bigger prizes in the Contemporary Haiku category: $100 for first place, $50 for second place, and $25 for third place. Looking forward to receiving your haiku! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:55:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Anselm Berrigan & D.S. Marriott at Small Press Traffic 9/19/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Small Press Traffic is thrilled to present: Anselm Berrigan and D.S. Marriott Friday, September 19th 7:30 p.m. Timken Lecture Hall Refreshments will be served Join us! Anselm Berrigan's most recent publication is Have A Good One (Cy Press, 2008), an entrail-length serial work. Books include Some Notes on My Programming, Zero Star Hotel, and Integrity & Dramatic Life, all published by Edge Books. A Non Sequitur- commissioned collaborative piece with composer David Frist was performed in NYC at The Flea Theater this past August as part of a four-night run of composer/poet collaborations. Berrigan lives in New York City, and is Co-Chair, Writing of Bard College's inter- disciplinary summer mfa program - a teaching gig with no classwork. D.S. Marriott was born in the UK and was educated at the University of Sussex. He has taught there and currently teaches at the University of California, Santa Cruz. He has written many articles on poetics and is the author of On Black Men (Edinburgh/Columbia, 2000); Haunted Life (Rutgers University Press, 2008); and Incognegro (Salt Publications, 2006). Hoodoo Voodoo is his latest book of poetry (Shearsman, 2008). Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to current SPT members and CCA faculty, staff, and students. There's no better time to join SPT! Check out: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/supporters.htm Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of the Arts 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin). Directions & map: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/directions.htm We'll see you Fridays! _______________________________ Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org www.smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:28:09 -0700 Reply-To: b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too bad the Times, as this article proves,=C2=A0does not know the differenc= e between John O'Hara and Frank=C2=A0 O'Hara... --- On Sun, 14/9/08, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote= : From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, 14 September, 2008, 7:51 PM ARTS / ART & DESIGN=20 =20 | September 14, 2008 Art:=20 The Poetry of Scissors and Glue By HOLLAND COTTER The pre-eminent American poet John Ashbery makes his solo debut as professional artist at 81, with a modest but polished exhibition of two dozen small collages. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/arts/design/14cott.html?ei=3D5070&emc=3De= ta1 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:37:32 -0700 From: b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: davidbchirot@HOTMAIL.COM link for that?? --- On Sun, 14/9/08, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote: From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, 14 September, 2008, 5:23 PM ARTS / ART & DESIGN=20 =20 | September 14, 2008 Art:=20 The Poetry of Scissors and Glue By HOLLAND COTTER The pre-eminent American poet John Ashbery makes his solo debut as professional artist at 81, with a modest but polished exhibition of two dozen small collages. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of = your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:25:37 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Megan M. Garr" Subject: Submission call for Versal 7 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit We'd like to let you know that we are now accepting submissions for the seventh issue of Versal, the international literary journal based in Amsterdam. The call text is included below, with links to our site for more information. Feel free to forward this on! Many thanks, Megan M. Garr Editor, Versal A VERSAL CALL Versal wants your poetry, prose, and art for its seventh issue due out in May, 2009. Internationally acclaimed literary annual published in Amsterdam; perfect bound, 100 pages of the urgent, involved, & unexpected. See website for guidelines and to submit: http://versal.wordsinhere.com. We only accept submissions through our (easy-to-use) online submission manager. Inquiries (only) can be directed to: versal@wordsinhere.com. Deadline: January 15, 2009. http://versal.wordsinhere.com Submission guidelines: http://www.wordsinhere.com/guidelines.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:55:36 -0700 Reply-To: b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Ian Hunt at Parasol Unit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Parasol Unit Readings Series is pleased to announce that the series wil= l resume on Thursday, 25 September at 7 pm with a reading by Ian Hunt. =C2=A0 Ian Hunt is a writer, art critic and editor, who has lived and worked in Lo= ndon since the mid-1980s. He was the publisher of the poetry imprint Alfred= David Editions between 1994 and 2001, and has edited two books of criticis= m by Stuart Morgan. He finally got around to publishing a book of his own p= oems, Green Light (Barque Press) in 2006. Barque said this about his writing: "From the politesse of =E2=80=98En Eche= lon=E2=80=99 or =E2=80=98Answering Injunction=E2=80=99, through the tense c= onstructivist representations of =E2=80=98Destructive Impulse=E2=80=99, to = the defensive operations of =E2=80=98Lines Inscribed on a Gauntlet=E2=80=99= , Green Light reveals the powers and limits of resistant speech. In these p= oems, ironic formality as form of defence, echoed by the formalism of narra= tive or of mise-en-page, is softened by a context which dwells consistently= on the construction of personal and semantic relations through contrasting= tonal registers which both alienate and familiarize=E2=80=A6 Maybe the des= cription at the end of =E2=80=98Destructive Impulse=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98The = before / speech a form of moment / gone hard, now expelled / aphoristic bec= ause / no other container sufficed=E2=80=99, could serve as a guide to this= book as a whole: the hardening/narrowing of the arterial connections betwe= en speeches, silence, and their social or temporal contexts means that the text is emitted in aphoristic fragments, and can=E2=80=99t be containe= d by the procedural rationality of forensic discourse." =C2=A0 Parasol Unit is located at 14 Wharf Road, London N1 7RW, between Old Street= and Angel tube stations. More information at www.parasol-unit.org. =C2=A0 The Parasol Unit Readings are organized by Barry Schwabsky. The next readin= g after Ian Hunt=E2=80=99s will be by David Miller, on Thursday, 18 Decembe= r. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:22:10 +0200 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: Collected Chapbooks (1981-2002) Sheila E. Murphy (Blue Lion Books) In-Reply-To: <704516.64829.qm@web50705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Congratulations! Publication and blurbs are definitely deserved, lovely that 'virtuoso bird'_ Anny On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Sheila Murphy wrote: > Blue > Lion Books announces a new hardback book by Sheila E. Murphy, COLLECTED > CHAPBOOKS (1981 - 2002). A collection of all Murphy's chapbooks issued > during that period, many out of print and now available in a beautiful > hardcover edition. > > "For three decades, Sheila E. Murphy has been been one > of the master architects of American syntax. Those who have read her > poems only in magazines or chapbooks have no idea of their scope, the > scale and the depth of her work. For those readers, this collection > will be a revelation. This is a great book!" --- Ron Silliman > > "Sheila E. Murphy is indeed a virtuoso bird, one > who takes flight through language at the slightest provocation, > carrying her readers with her on long poetic journey. These poems are > about linguistic experience, about music on the page and in the head, > about ideas approached from surprising angles and made anew, about > renewal and revival. Over the last twenty five years I have continually > migrated towards Sheila's approachable, lyrical and engaging > experiments, basking in the sun-drenched visions she has gathered and > made from the worlds and words about her. Collected Chapbooks is an > overdue delight, a tribute and a publishing event." --- Rupert > Loydell > > http://www.lulu.com/content/2251616 > is > the web-address for ordering this book. The book has much to merit > purchasing a copy to enrich one's experience of contemporary poetry. In > reading this book, you will be amazed at the variety of her poetic > discourse, no doubt, in paraphrase, falling in love along with the the > spell of her bright syntax. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > -- Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:00:40 -0700 Reply-To: afieled@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Adam Fieled Subject: "When You Bit..." on PennSound MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is an mp3 of me reading the middle segment ("Dancing with Myself") of= my new Otoliths book "When You Bit.." now up on PennSound: =A0 http://www.media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Fieled/Fieled-Adam_From-Wh= en-You-Bit_2008.mp3 =A0 Enjoy! Ad=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:22:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at Thebes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cool. Libretti's must be challenging. I've written plays, but have them sta= shed. I think I may have the people skills to do something with them now. b= efore, ugh, ugh...=0A=0AThe poet Cornelius Eady was nominated for a pultize= r for a libretti he wrote. but the title escapes me.=0ARichard Foreman is o= ut there. & only=A0Yorkers get to see the work. =A0=0A=0Abest, =0ASteve Rus= sell=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Alison Croggon =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Saturday, Septembe= r 13, 2008 7:04:58 PM=0ASubject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney'= s Burial at Thebes=0A=0ABreak a leg, Harry. I wish I could see it, but alas= , am too far away.=0ASteve, the question about poetry and theatre has exerc= ised me often.=0AI've sometimes wondered why poets seem less interested tha= n once they=0Awere, because theatre is a fascinating art if you're interest= ed in=0Apoetry, or so it seems to me. Not that there's not contemporary=0Ac= onnections - The UK poet Chris Goode is well known in Britain as a=0Atheatr= e maker, for instance. And the playwright Howard Barker is a=0Afine poet hi= mself. Charles Bernstein has close connection to Richard=0AForeman and has = written libretti himself. Etc etc. Dig a bit and=0Ayou'll find things. Myse= lf, I've written three libretti (two of which=0Ahave been produced) and a n= umber of plays for stage and radio. Fwiw,=0Amy most recent Salt collection = is called THEATRE...=0A=0AI run a blog which reviews and discusses theatre = here in Melbourne=0A(occasionally in London, if I'm there) which might inte= rest you -=0Ahttp://theatrenotes.blogspot.com=0A=0AAll the best=0A=0AAlison= =0A>=0A> 2008/9/14 Harry Ross :=0A>> Hello,=0A>>=0A>> I= 've lurked on this list for a few years, and very much enjoyed reading many= =0A>> posts. Not an academic and not much of a poet I've never posted. Anyw= ay,=0A>> what I do do is work in classical music and I am producing an oper= atic=0A>> adaptation of The Burial at Thebes which will be designed and dir= ected by=0A>> Derek Walcott. The show opens at Shakespeare's Globe, London = in about a=0A>> month. Anyway, I thought I'd let you all know as you might = find it=0A>> interesting to discuss one poet directing another's work.=0A>>= =0A>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A>> The Poetics List is moderated & does= not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffal= o.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> --=0A> Andrew=0A> http://hi= spirits.blogspot.com/=0A> http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/=0A>=0A> =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accep= t all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poet= ics/welcome.html=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0AEditor, Masthead: http://www.masthead= .net.au=0ABlog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com=0AHome page: http://www.al= isoncroggon.com=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is mode= rated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http:= //epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:57:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is no surprise though. Ashbery was a keen student of art (esp. paintings) since early childhood. Read somewhere that at age 9 he was well versed with French surrealist paintings - at least he could put names to paintings (or styles). Later during (or may be after) his Paris sojourn he took painting/art classes to formally learn to paint. Its also true that in one of his interviews (possibly the 1988 John Tranter interview) he laments about his lack of talent as a painter. Given the facts, I am inclined to think he is perhaps a better pianist than painter/artist. Aryanil -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of David-Baptiste Chirot Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:51 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed ARTS / ART & DESIGN | September 14, 2008 Art: The Poetry of Scissors and Glue By HOLLAND COTTER The pre-eminent American poet John Ashbery makes his solo debut as professional artist at 81, with a modest but polished exhibition of two dozen small collages. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/arts/design/14cott.html?ei=5070&emc=eta1 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:37:32 -0700 From: b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: davidbchirot@HOTMAIL.COM link for that?? --- On Sun, 14/9/08, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote: From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, 14 September, 2008, 5:23 PM ARTS / ART & DESIGN | September 14, 2008 Art: The Poetry of Scissors and Glue By HOLLAND COTTER The pre-eminent American poet John Ashbery makes his solo debut as professional artist at 81, with a modest but polished exhibition of two dozen small collages. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:46:30 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Newsletter 09.15.08-09.21.08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 LITERARY BUFFALO 09.15.08-09.21.08 BABEL 2008-2009 SUBSCRIPTIONS ARE SOLD OUT=21 If you would like to be put on a waiting list for tickets, please send an e= mail with your name and daytime telephone number to info=40justbuffalo.org. ___________________________________________________________________________ ACHEBE BY CLOSED CIRCUIT TV=21 Due to popular demand, we are going to present a live, closed-circuit telev= ision screening of the Chinua Achebe event in the cinema at Hallwalls. Tic= kets are =2410, cash only, at the door only, and will be available on a fir= st come, first served basis. Admission includes the book signing in the chu= rch at Babeville after the event. NO PRE-SALES=21 (NOTE: this is NOT the waiting list. The waiting list is for main event tic= kets only, so please, please spare our poor receptionist a phone call.) ___________________________________________________________________________ EVENTS THIS WEEK Visit the Literary Buffalo calendar at www.justbuffalo.org for more detaile= d info on these events. All events free and open to the pubic unless other= wise noted. 09.17.08 Spotlight on Youth Open Mic Youth aged 12-21 can bring poems, stories, songs, raps, artwork, dance piec= es, musical instruments, photographs or anything else they want to share. Wednesday, September 17, 6:30 PM Hallwalls Cinema, 341 Delaware Ave. (=40 Tupper) & Exhibit X Fiction and Prose Croation Novelist and Essayist Dubravka Ugresic Fiction Reading Wednesday, September 17, 8 PM Karpeles Manuscript Museum, corner of North and Elmwood 09.18.08 The Write Thing at Medaille College Neal Chandler Fiction Reading Thursday, November 18, 7 PM The Library at Huber Hall, Medaille College, 18 Agassiz Circle & Canisius Contemporary Writers Series Nigerian Fiction Writer Uwem Akpan Thursday, November 18, 7 PM Grupp Fireside Lounge Canisius College =7C 80 Hughes & Just Buffalo Small Press Poetry Series Frank Sherlock and Logan Ryan Smith Poetry Reading Thursday, November 18, 7 PM Rust Belt Belt Books, 202 Allen St. 09.19.08 Poetics Plus at UB Rodrigo Toscano Multimedia Poetry Presentation Friday, September 19, 7:30 PM Soundlab, 110 Pearl St. (rear of building, downstairs) __________________________________________________________________________= LITERARY BUFFALO RSS FEED You can now subscribe to the Literary Buffalo RSS feed for up-to-the-minute= info on literary happenings around town: feed://www.justbuffalo.org/rss/ ___________________________________________________________________________ CHAUTAUQUA WRITING WEEK WITH KAREN LEWIS Karen L. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:26:26 -0700 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Call for submissions: AWP 2009 Pedagogy Forum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 2009 PEDAGOGY FORUM: Association of Writers and Writing Programs http://www.awpwriter.org/conference/2009pedforum.php 2009 AWP Annual Conference & Bookfair February 11-14, 2009 Chicago, Illinois Hilton Chicago AWP's Pedagogy Forum is now accepting submissions. The deadline to submit a paper is October 15, 2008. The guidelines for Pedagogy Papers and participation in the Forum have changed, so be sure to consult the guidelines. Submitting work to The AWP Pedagogy Papers 2009 represents an application to present at a session of the Pedagogy Forum. As with other AWP panels, readings, and roundtables, authors of accepted papers will be assigned a session time to share their ideas. Topics must address the teaching of creative writing and may cover the application of pedagogical theory, specific course development, classroom activities, assignments, texts, or other aspects of teaching. Papers must be designated by one of the following genres: Drama, Fiction, Nonfiction, Poetry, or Multi-Genre. We are especially interested in receiving more papers that focus on drama. You may contact the coordinators if you feel your paper doesn't fall under one of these categories. Papers must also be designated by level as Undergraduate, Graduate, Any Level, or Alternative (elementary/secondary school, writing in community settings, etc.). A collection of 20 selected papers, The Best of The AWP Pedagogy Papers 2009, will be made available to members online after the conference. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:24:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: CORRECTION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII LITERARY BUFFALO 09.15.08-09.21.08 SORRY ABOUT THE SECOND EMAIL...NOTE THE LOCATION CORRECTION ON THE FOLLOWIN= G Just Buffalo Small Press Poetry Series Frank Sherlock and Logan Ryan Smith Poetry Reading Thursday, November 18, 7 PM Hallwalls Cinema, 341 Delaware (=40Tupper) UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will i= mmediately be removed. _______________________________ Michael Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center Market Arcade 617 Main St., Ste. 202A Buffalo, NY 14203 716.832.5400 716.270.0184 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk=40justbuffalo.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:52:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at Thebes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit not a libretti a libretto usually in old days librettist was forgotten like the leider writer or even when folks talk of burt bacharach or elton john you rarely har about hal david or bernie taupin in some cases the librettist and composer were one in the same ditto leider as in the case with certain mahler leider and as i once wrote in a poem if the opera's a success they praies the composer if it's a flop they blame the librettist On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:22:41 -0700 steve russell writes: > cool. Libretti's must be challenging. I've written plays, but have > them stashed. I think I may have the people skills to do something > with them now. before, ugh, ugh... > > The poet Cornelius Eady was nominated for a pultizer for a libretti > he wrote. but the title escapes me. > Richard Foreman is out there. & only Yorkers get to see the work. > > best, > Steve Russell > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Alison Croggon > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:04:58 PM > Subject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at > Thebes > > Break a leg, Harry. I wish I could see it, but alas, am too far > away. > Steve, the question about poetry and theatre has exercised me often. > I've sometimes wondered why poets seem less interested than once > they > were, because theatre is a fascinating art if you're interested in > poetry, or so it seems to me. Not that there's not contemporary > connections - The UK poet Chris Goode is well known in Britain as a > theatre maker, for instance. And the playwright Howard Barker is a > fine poet himself. Charles Bernstein has close connection to Richard > Foreman and has written libretti himself. Etc etc. Dig a bit and > you'll find things. Myself, I've written three libretti (two of > which > have been produced) and a number of plays for stage and radio. Fwiw, > my most recent Salt collection is called THEATRE... > > I run a blog which reviews and discusses theatre here in Melbourne > (occasionally in London, if I'm there) which might interest you - > http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > > All the best > > Alison > > > > 2008/9/14 Harry Ross : > >> Hello, > >> > >> I've lurked on this list for a few years, and very much enjoyed > reading many > >> posts. Not an academic and not much of a poet I've never posted. > Anyway, > >> what I do do is work in classical music and I am producing an > operatic > >> adaptation of The Burial at Thebes which will be designed and > directed by > >> Derek Walcott. The show opens at Shakespeare's Globe, London in > about a > >> month. Anyway, I thought I'd let you all know as you might find > it > >> interesting to discuss one poet directing another's work. > >> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Andrew > > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/ > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > -- > Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au > Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:28:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Chad Sweeney Subject: Best American Event w/Hass, Hillman, Palmer, Powell & Sweeney: Tuesday/9/16/Berkeley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Friends, I'll be back in the Bay Area to read in the Best American Poetry 2008 release with Robert Hass, Michael Palmer, Brenda Hillman, and D.A. Powell. I'd love to chance to see some of you one more time, before I disappear into the Michigan snow. It's a lovely book, selected this year by Charles Wright. The reading is at Mrs. Dallaway's Bookstore in Berkeley 7:30, Tuesday, September 16 2904 College Ave., Berkeley Cheers, Chad Sweeney ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:28:29 -0700 Reply-To: tsavagebar@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed In-Reply-To: <73579284DF524F07BCFAD3D267951FF8@net.plm.eds.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read this review and saw the show it reviewed the night it opened at Tibo= r De Nagy.=A0 I loved the show and liked the=A0review except that it failed= to make any mention of Trevor Winkfield's wonderful show which was also on= view at Tibor de Nagy and which opened the same night.=A0 Regards, Tom Sav= age=A0 --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Aryanil Mukherjee wrote: From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 10:57 AM This is no surprise though. Ashbery was a keen student of art (esp. paintings) since early childhood. Read somewhere that at age 9 he was well versed with French surrealist paintings - at least he could put names to paintings (or styles). Later during (or may be after) his Paris sojourn he took painting/art classes to formally learn to paint. Its also true that in one of his interviews (possibly the 1988 John Tranter interview) he laments about his lack of talent as a painter. Given the facts, I am inclined to think he is perhaps a better pianist than painter/artist. Aryanil -----Original Message----- From: Poetics List (UPenn, UB) [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of David-Baptiste Chirot Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:51 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed ARTS / ART & DESIGN=20 =20 | September 14, 2008 Art:=20 The Poetry of Scissors and Glue By HOLLAND COTTER The pre-eminent American poet John Ashbery makes his solo debut as professional artist at 81, with a modest but polished exhibition of two dozen small collages. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/arts/design/14cott.html?ei=3D5070&emc=3De= ta1 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:37:32 -0700 From: b.schwabsky@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: davidbchirot@HOTMAIL.COM link for that?? --- On Sun, 14/9/08, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote: From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, 14 September, 2008, 5:23 PM ARTS / ART & DESIGN=20 =20 | September 14, 2008 Art:=20 The Poetry of Scissors and Glue By HOLLAND COTTER The pre-eminent American poet John Ashbery makes his solo debut as professional artist at 81, with a modest but polished exhibition of two dozen small collages. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:11:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: upcoming gig Comments: To: Acousticlv@aol.com, AdeenaKarasick@cs.com, AGosfield@aol.com, alonech@acedsl.com, Altjazz@aol.com, amirib@aol.com, Amramdavid@aol.com, anansi1@earthlink.net, AnselmBerrigan@aol.com, arlenej2@verizon.net, Barrywal23@aol.com, bdlilrbt@icqmail.com, butchershoppoet@hotmail.com, CarolynMcClairPR@aol.com, CaseyCyr@aol.com, CHASEMANHATTAN1@aol.com, Djmomo17@aol.com, Dsegnini1216@aol.com, Gfjacq@aol.com, Hooker99@aol.com, rakien@gmail.com, jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com, Jeromesala@aol.com, JillSR@aol.com, JoeLobell@cs.com, JohnLHagen@aol.com, kather8@katherinearnoldi.com, Kevtwi@aol.com, krkubert@hotmail.com, LakiVaz@aol.com, Lisevachon@aol.com, Nuyopoman@AOL.COM, Pedevski@aol.com, pom2@pompompress.com, Rabinart@aol.com, Rcmorgan12@aol.com, reggiedw@comcast.net, RichKostelanetz@aol.com, RnRBDN@aol.com, Smutmonke@aol.com, sprygypsy@yahoo.com, SHoltje@aol.com, Sumnirv@aol.com, tcumbie@nyc.rr.com, velasquez@nyc.com, VITORICCI@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:42:05 -0400 "steve d. dalachinsky" writes: Sept 22 2008 630 pm steve dalachinsky with saxophonist bob feldman and bass player (to be asnnounced) at THE SWIG 1629 2nd Ave. (between e 84 and e 85 st) donation b ____________________________________________________________ Click to find airline tickets for your next trip. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:52:41 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Mark Truscott Subject: September 24: Iijima and Moure at the final Test (Toronto) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear Test Friends: Please mark the following on your calendars: 24 September 2008, 8 p.m. BRENDA IIJIMA and ERÍN MOURE (bios below) at the final installment of the Test Reading Series, v1 a Mercer Union-Test-Toronto Free Gallery co-production at the Toronto Free Gallery 1277 Bloor Street West Free (Donations for the readers gratefully accepted) Sponsored by the Toronto Arts Council through the League of Canadian Poets More information at www.testreading.org. Please feel free to forward this information to anyone you think would be interested. Hope to see you there, Mark ************************* BRENDA IIJIMA is the author of Animate, Inanimate Aims (Litmus, 2007) and Around Sea (O Books, 2004). Her book If Not Metamorphic was runner up for the Sawtooth Prize and will be published by Ahsahta Press. Chapbooks include Rabbit Lesson (just out from Fewer & Further Press), Color and Its Antecedents (Yen Agat, 2004), Early Linoleum (Furniture Press, 2004), Spacious (Other Publications, 2003), Audible Bio (Longhouse, 2003), In a Glass Box (Pressed Wafer, 2002) and several other artist's books. She is the editor of Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs: http://yoyolabs.com/. Together with Evelyn Reilly she is editing a collection of essays by poets concerning poetry and ecological ethics titled )((eco (lang)(uage(reader). She is the art editor at Boog City as well as a visual artist. She lives in Brooklyn, New York where she designs and constructs homeopathic gardens. ERÍN MOURE is a Montreal poet and relentless translator (from French, Galician, Portuguese and Spanish to English) whose practice both bridges and explodes the bridges between lyric and "experimental", creation and translation. Her most recent book, O Cadoiro (2007), was provoked by the medieval Galician-Portuguese lyric songbooks. Other recent books: Little Theatres (2005, translated into Galician as Teatriños, 2007); O Cidadán (2002), a troubled yet hopeful consideration of citizenship, and Sheep's Vigil by a Fervent Person (2001), a transelation from the Portuguese of Fernando Pessoa. Her translations also include Nicole Brossard's Installations, Museum of Bone and Water, and Notebook of Roses and Civilization from French (with Robert Majzels…Notebook was a finalist for a GG in translation and for the Griffin Prize); Chus Pato's Charenton (Shearsman, 2007) from Galician; Andrés Ajens's Quase Flanders, Quase Extramadurafrom Chilean Spanish (Left Hand Books, 2008). Moure has also translated poems into English from France's Sébastien Smirou and Christophe Tarkos; Manoel Antonio, Manuel Rivas, María do Cebreiro and Daniel Salgado from Galician; Wilson Bueno from Portunhol. She has given readings in English, French and Galician in Canada, USA, England, Wales, France, Spain, Portugal, Slovenia, Germany and Japan, as well as seminars in translation, language and construction of identity, and poetics. Her next book of poetry, O Resplandor, will appear in 2010 from Anansi. A book of essays, My Beloved Wager, will appear from NeWest Press in 2009, and a book of poetry written in collaboration with Oana Avasilichioaei, Expeditions of a Chimaera, will also appear in 2009 from Bookthug, as will her translation of Chus Pato's m-Taláfrom Shearsman in the UK. Moure is currently translating Chus Pato's Hordas de Escritura and working on a new book of poetry, The Unmemntioable. She is a contributing editor to The Capilano Review (Vancouver) and serves on the editorial board of the Galician Review (Birmingham, UK). ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:39:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: BlazeVOX 2k8 Fall 2008 Now online Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable BlazeVOX [Thank You] A big thank you to everyone who helped keep BlazeVOX [books] Alive and well! We have a thank you YouTube Movie on the front page! Thank you : http://www.blazevox.org/BXthankyou.mov Over 1600 pages of new work! Holy Cow! 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:34:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Cinader Mims Subject: Internet Radio Poetry Open Mic Tuesday Night Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Poet, I will be hosting another Listen & Be Heard Poetry Cafe Radio Open Mic on Tuesday, September 16 from 8-9 pm California time. You can tune into the show live at the following url: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/listenandbeheard/2008/09/17/Listen-Be- Heard-Poetry-Open-Mic You can call in to the following phone# 718-506-1481 during the live show. You can also try the "click to talk" feature from your computer, although so far I haven't been able to communicate with the people who have tried it... but I'm willing to keep trying (it is in beta.) Here is the open mic format for Tuesday night: There will be two rounds of open mic: the lightning round and the spotlight round. The lightning round will be one poem for 30 seconds or less. The spotlight round will be one poem. I have not scheduled any featured poets. During the previous two radio open mics that I hosted this way, poets called in from around the country, and we had fun. Please listen and be heard on Tuesday night. Wishing you Peace and Poetry Martha Cinader Mims Martha Cinader Mims Listen & Be Heard Network editor@listenandbeheard.net http://www.listenandbeheard.net Get Skype and call me for free. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:52:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Lindsay Wong Subject: ANNC: UC Press Online Book Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed UC Press Announces Its 2008 Online Book Sale! This year's sale includes: * Over 3,000 titles at greatly reduced prices * Hundreds of titles available for under $10 * Many bestselling titles at sale prices To visit our sale page and browse sale titles, please visit http://go.ucpress.edu/fillupsale When placing orders, please enter the discount code: 09M2444 in the coupon code box in the shopping cart and click the "update" button to obtain your sale price. This year's sale runs from today through October 31. Stock is limited-order now! Contact Lindsay Wong at: Lindsay.W@ucpress.edu -- ____ Lindsay Wong Electronic Marketing Coordinator University of California Press Phone: 510-643-4738 Email: lindsay.wong@ucpress.edu Website: www.ucpress.edu UC Press Blog: http://ucpress.typepad.com/ucpresslog/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:37:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Margaret Konkol Subject: SMALL PRESS in the ARCHIVE: Rich Owens Lecture Tues Sept. 16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For those in or near Buffalo New York: The first of the Fall 2008 Small Press in the Archive lectures. Our very own poet, scholar and master at letter press, Richard Owens, will give his talk "Editing Joseph Gordon Macleod" at NOON this coming Tuesday, September 16th in the Poetry Collection, 420 Capen, University at Buffalo, Buffalo New York. Rich's project is a fascinating one---an act of recovery work which promises to trouble the way we think about reception and canon formation. Praised by Pound, Bunting and MacDiarmid, Macleod's The ECLIPTIC (1930) came in with a roar and out with a whimper. A subject of debate between Pound and Zukofsky during the planning stages of the Objectivist and British numbers of POETRY, Macleod produced two "modernist" long poems before retreating behind the security of the pseudonymous persona of Scottish Nationalist Adam Drinan. Answering Keith Tuma's call to investigate and recover the work of British poets written out of American conversations, this talk will wrestle with the usefulness of recovery projects, the question of reception and the need to develop project-specific editing strategies grounded in the archive. _Small Press in the Archive_Lecture Series dedicates itself to the study of poetry outside the traditional literary historical plot. The lectures in this series draw on materials in The Poetry Collection, at SUNY Buffalo in order to explore community/discourse formations, the status of ephemera and the making of genre, the conditions of literary production, transatlantic cross-pollinations in and between specific magazines, the careers of poets, the role of book art, and how the little magazine functions in the making of the avant-garde. Hope to see many of you tomorrow, Margaret ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:26:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "Welcome to Aristotelian bastardization, a Derrida =". Rest of header flushed. From: Cara Benson Subject: Reading period open for Sous Rature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Listees...=0A=A0 =0AWelcome to Aristotelian bastardization, a Derrida = slum, and anon sense.=0A=A0=0ASous Rature features work of erasure, inadequ= acy, and otherwise. Poems, prose, cross.=0AAlso, images and art. This is an= "inadequate yet=A0necessary" endeavor. =0A=A0=0AReading period is now open= ! There will be a deadline at some point. Meantime, send previously unpubli= shed work as attachment to =0ACara Benson at cbenson67[at]yahoo[dot]com. Sa= y something unspamlike in the subject line.=0A=0ASous Rature=A0for the dire= ct gander and 1ssue.=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:50:58 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: blacksox@ATT.NET Subject: Wednesday, Sept 10, Judy Copeland, Kerouac Writer in Residence reads at Soft Exposure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This Wednesday's featured writer will be Judy Copeland, the current writer in residence at the Kerouac House. The location is Infusion Tea, College Park, 1600 Edgewater Drive, Orlando. Open mic signup starts at 6:30, and the reading starts at 7. Come on out to listen and share your words! Judy Copeland is a California attorney who left the law to backpack around Oceania, Asia, and Africa, staying with families she met along the way. Her travel stories have appeared in the Florida Review, Literal Latte, Water~Stone Review, New Millennium Writings, and Travelers' Tales anthologies. She holds an MFA in creative nonfiction from the University of Iowa. Judy's wanderlust began early. A child of missionaries, she grew up in Fukuoka, Japan, where she used to run away from home every few days, just for the thrill of getting lost in a big city. By the age of three, she had grown accustomed to policemen catching her and taking her home. While at the Kerouac House, Judy will work on stories about her childhood in Fukuoka in the 1950s. Thanks Russ Golata ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:57:40 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: blacksox@ATT.NET Subject: Austin's 9/17 Featuring Calypso--in Florida MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EVERY 3RD Wednesday @ Austin=E2=80=99s An Orlando Poetry Group presentation=20 =20 Featuring: Calypso Jewel Calypso Jewel is a free-associate of the english language. She graduated f= rom Rollins with a minor in writing, and continued her studies like a fa= rm chicken, pecking at whatever tempting seeds could help her flourish. Sh= e reads Charles Bukowski, Matthew Arnold, the Bible, Walt Whitman, William = Blake, Carl Jung, and her friends, closely. The manifest destiny of the so= ul, and the alchemical properties of love constitute her primary subject ma= tter. =20 =20 Wednesday September 17, @ 8:30pm =20 Austin=E2=80=99s Coffee and Film 929 W Fairbanks Ave. Winter Park, Florida =20 The Wonderful Calypso Orlando=E2=80=99s Best Open Mic (You voted)=20 A Smile on Your Face =20 Hosted by Russ Golata=20=20 For directions or comments e-mail me at blacksox@att.net Or phone me at 407-403-5814 Or AUSTIN=E2=80=99S at 407-975-3364=20 Thanks Russ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:37:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed In-Reply-To: <556924.8239.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I would like to ask the list abt. tibor de nagy -- I go there when I live in or visit NYC -- but the looks I get are so strange when I react to the work and ask for the books and monographs they publish ("have you got any artist or poet publications here now? may I buy copies?"), and -- wow, they are the books of mine stolen most readily when loaned (i.e., desireable, unavailable) -- it is odd. -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:46:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cara Benson Subject: Re: Reading period open for Sous Rature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.necessetics.com/sousrature= Well, here's the website address=0A=0Ahttp://www.necessetics.com/sousrature= .html=0A=0A=A0Thought the link would transfer...(cyber school, eh?)=0A=A0= =0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0ASous Rature=A0=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Cara Benson =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8= :26:11 PM=0ASubject: Reading period open for Sous Rature=0A=0ADear Listees.= ..=0A=A0 =0AWelcome to Aristotelian bastardization, a Derrida slum, and ano= n sense.=0A=A0=0ASous Rature features work of erasure, inadequacy, and othe= rwise. Poems, prose, cross.=0AAlso, images and art. This is an "inadequate = yet=A0necessary" endeavor. =0A=A0=0AReading period is now open! There will = be a deadline at some point. Meantime, send previously unpublished work as = attachment to =0ACara Benson at cbenson67[at]yahoo[dot]com. Say something u= nspamlike in the subject line.=0A=0ASous Rature=A0for the direct gander and= 1ssue.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is m= oderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: ht= tp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:11:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: NYC/This Thurs: Welcome to Boog City 2 Festival, Sept. 18-21 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 This Thurs., Sept. 18 through Sun. Sept. 21, we'll be putting on the second annual Welcome to Boog City poetry and music festival. It will feature performances from 49 poets, 13 musical acts, and one theater company over the four days.=20 You can view the web-only color pdf version of Boog City=E2=80=99s Welcome to Boo= g City issue, replete with the full schedule illustrated with performer pics; pieces on festival performers Arlo Quint and Wakey!Wakey!, poems by fest performers Elise Ficarra and Kristianne Meal, and a preview of our Sunday discussion on race and poetry: http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc51_wbc2fest.pdf Among the festival highlights are: =E2=80=94a night devoted to Durham, N.C. small press minor/american; =E2=80=94a live performance of Lou Reed=E2=80=99s New York album for its 20th anniversa= ry by seven different musical acts; =E2=80=94a performance of TRY! TRY! a wickedly comic tale of love and lust in a t= ime of war from the prototypical New York School poet Frank O=E2=80=99Hara; =E2=80=94our 5th annual small, small press fair, with exhibits from a dozen different small presses, and readings by their authors; =E2=80=94a discussion on Race and Poetry: Integrating the Experimental; and =E2=80=94Talisman House Publishers editor Edward Foster in conversation with internationally renowned English-born poet and long-time Lower East Side resident Simon Pettet. =20 The full schedule for the event is below this note, followed by performer bios and websites. =20 If you need any additional information you can reach me at 212-842-BOOG (2664) or editor@boogcity.com. Hope you can make it down. as ever, David P.S. Physical copies of this issue, Boog City 51, are available at the belo= w locations: 2,500 copies of Boog City are distributed among, and available for free at, the following locations: =20 MANHATTAN =20 *THE EAST VILLAGE* =20 Acme Underground =20 Anthology Film Archives Bluestockings =20 Bowery Poetry Club=20 Cake Shop Lakeside Lounge =20 Life Caf=C3=A9 Living Room Mission Caf=C3=A9 =20 Nuyorican Poets Caf=C3=A9 Other Music Pianos =20 St. Mark's Books =20 St. Mark's Church=20 Shakespeare & Co.=20 Sidewalk Caf=C3=A9 =20 Sunshine Theater =20 Trash and Vaudeville Two Boots Video =20 *OTHER PARTS OF MANHATTAN* =20 Angelika Film Center and Caf=C3=A9 Hotel Chelsea McNally Jackson Mercer Street Books Poets House =20 =20 BROOKLYN =20 *WILLIAMSBURG* =20 Bliss Caf=C3=A9 Public Assembly Sideshow Gallery=20 Spoonbill & Sugartown Supercore Caf=C3=A9 =20 *GREENPOINT* =20 Champion Coffee =20 East Coast Aliens Greenpoint Coffee House Permanent Records Photoplay Video & DVD Thai Caf=C3=A9 P.P.S. And read every Boog City back issue, all 50, now online: from 1 http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc01.pdf to 50 http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc50.pdf just change the issue number, from 01 on through to 50 ---------- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://www.welcometoboogcity.com T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ------------- =20 2nd annual Welcome to Boog City 4 Days of Poetry and Music THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 18, 6:00 P.M. =20 d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press =20 minor/american (Durham, N.C.) ACA Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC =20 Free =20 Event will be hosted by minor/american editors Elise Ficarra and Kathryn Pringle, eds. =20 featuring readings from =20 Samar Albuhassan David Need Andrea Rexilius Ken Rumble Diane Timblin =20 and music from Liv Carrow =20 There will be wine, cheese, and crackers, too. =20 Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues =20 =20 FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 19, 7:00 P.M. =20 Sidewalk Caf=C3=A9 94 Ave. A NYC =20 Free with a two-drink minimum =20 Readings, musical, and poets=E2=80=99 theater performances, and Lou Reed=E2=80=99s New York album live =20 7:00 p.m.-Jim Behrle 7:15 p.m.-Daniel Nester 7:35 p.m.-Dibson T. Hoffweiler (music) 8:05 p.m.-Arlo Quint 8:20 p.m.-Bob Holman 8:35 p.m.-Verse Theater Manhattan doing a reading of Frank O'Hara's verse drama TRY! TRY! 9:35 p.m.-Gillian McCain 9:50 p.m.For its 20th Anniversary, Lou Reed=E2=80=99s New York album performed live by: =20 *Babs of Queens Romeo Had Juliette Halloween Parade=20 *The Rabbits Dirty Blvd. Endless Cycle =20 *Dibson T. Hoffweiler & Preston Spurlock There Is No Time Last Great American Whale *Liv Carrow Beginning of a Great Adventure Busload of Faith *Prewar Yardsale Sick of You Hold On *Wakey!Wakey! Good Evening Mr. Waldheim Xmas in February *Todd Carlstrom and The Clamour Strawman Dime Store Mystery 11:20 p.m.-Todd Carlstrom and The Clamour 12:10 a.m.-The Rabbits =20 Directions: F/V to 2nd Ave., L to 1st Ave. Venue is at E.6th St. =20 =20 SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 20, 11:00 A.M. =20 Cakeshop 152 Ludlow St. NYC =20 $5 =20 5th Annual Small, Small Press Fair Featuring readings from authors of the exhibiting presses 11:10 a.m.-Brant Lyon, LOGOchrysalis 11:20 a.m.-Andrew Bishop, Graphic Union Press 11:30 a.m.-Celena Glenn, Bowery Books 11:40 a.m.-Mark Lamoureux, Cy Gist Press 11:50 a.m.-Ariana Reines, Fence/Fence Books 12:00 p.m.-Adam Golaski, flim forum press 12:10 p.m.-Damian Weber, House Press 12:20 a.m.-Virna Teixeira, Litmus Press/Aufgabe 12:30 p.m.-Jaye Bartell, little scratch pad 12:40 p.m.-Jeff Downey, Octopus Books 12:50 p.m.-Melissa Christine Goodrum, Other Rooms Press 1:00 p.m.-Jessica Smith, Outside Voices 1:10 p.m.-Austin Alexis, Poets Wear Prada 1:20 p.m.-Tom Savage, Straw Gate Books ----------------- 1:30 p.m.-Stephanie Gray 1:45 p.m.-Bill Kushner 2:00 p.m.-Oak Orchard Swamp (music) 2:30 p.m.-Ryan Eckes 2:50 p.m.-Eric Gelsinger 3:10 p.m.-Douglas Manson 3:30 p.m.-Heart Parts (music) 4:00 p.m.-Elise Ficarra 4:20 p.m.-Kristianne Meal 4:40 p.m.-Kathryn Pringle 5:00 p.m.-Maureen Thorson 5:20 p.m.-Carol Mirakove 5:35 p.m.-A Brief View of the Hudson (music) 6:05 p.m.-Jen Benka 6:20 p.m.-Todd Colby 6:35 p.m.-Kyle Schlesinger 6:55 p.m.-David Hadbawnik 7:15 p.m.-Sharon Mesmer 7:30 p.m.-Casey Holford (music) =20 Directions: F/V to 2nd Ave. Venue is bet. Stanton and Rivington sts. =20 =20 SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 21, 1:00 P.M. =20 Unnameable Books 456 Bergen St. Brooklyn Free 1:00 p.m.-Julia Cohen 1:15 p.m.-Tisa Bryant 1:30 p.m.-Ana Bo=C5=BEi=C4=8Devi=C4=87 1:45 p.m.-Yoko Kikuchi (music) 2:05 p.m.-Corrine Fitzpatrick 2:20 p.m.-Nick Piombino 2:35 p.m.-Stacy Szymaszek 2:50 p.m.-3:00-break 3:00 p.m.- Race and Poetry: Integrating the Experimental Amy King (curator and moderator) Tisa Bryant Jennifer Firestone Timothy Liu Mendi Obadike Meghan Punschke Christopher Stackhouse Mathias Svalina 4:30 p.m.-4:40-break 4:40 p.m.-Yoko Kikuchi (music) 5:00 p.m.-Lee Ann Brown 5:15 p.m.-John Coletti 5:30 p.m.-Rachel Levitsky 5:45 p.m.-Eileen Myles 6:00 p.m.-Yoko Kikuchi (music) 6:20 p.m.-Edward Foster in conversation with Simon Pettet 6:50 p.m.-Simon Pettet 7:10 p.m.-Edward Foster =20 =20 Directions: 2, 3 to Bergen St.; 2, 3, 4, 5, M, N, Q, W, R, B, D to Atlantic Ave./Pacific St.; C to Lafayette Ave. Venue is bet. 5th/Flatbush aves. --------------- =20 **Welcome to Boog City 2 Bios and Websites** =20 *Thursday =20 **minor/american http://www.minoramerican.blogspot.com minor/american is a small-edition, themed, hand-made poetry journal first released in the summer of 2007. An offshoot of the minor/american blog, originated by Maggie Zurawski in 2004, minor/american prints the work of not-so minor Americans, with a preference for longer selections. The theme for issue two, due this fall, is citi. Issue three's theme will be evolution. Submissions can be sent to minoramerican.subs@gmail.com. =20 **Samar Abulhassan http://www.jacketmagazine.com/35/dk-abulhassan.shtml Samar Abulhassan recently left San Francisco, where she taught poetry to children, to live among many creatures at a Zen center in New Mexico, where she wakes early, brews soups, and hears and sounds many bells. She is finishing a second chapbook for Dusie and recently collaborated with a Buto= h dancer in San Francisco on a movement/text piece that was performed at Yerb= a Buena Center for the Arts last spring. She waits for the night to surface words and is looking for a watery landscape to write into. =20 **Liv Carrow http://www.myspace.com/livcarrow Liv Carrow=E2=80=99s songs are like the little animals that your 4-year-old niece= s and nephews make out of Play-Doh=E2=80=94lumpy yet distinguishable in form, rudimentary to the point of psychedelic complexity, dry and crumbly on the outside but "all kinds of squishy" on the inside. The mysterious and oddly lovable bassist from ecstatically weird Huggabroomstik and Griffin and the True Believers takes the scenic back road to your heart with her clever-ish observations on life, death, love, health food, human reproduction, geography, the unseen world of the earth spirits and cosmic currents, awkward crushes, metaphysics, and everyone's favorite-despair. Liv plays frequently in NYC and the surrounding area as a solo acoustic act and accompanying Huggabroomstik and the burgeoning alternapop collaboration Fee= l The Feelings. She is also available for Tarot readings which can be obtaine= d for a song =20 **David Need http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Archive?author=3Doid%3A18317 http://www.mipoesias.com/2006Volume20Issue1/needcolumn.html David Need is a Massachusetts boy who has lived in North Carolina since 1994. He teaches South Asian Religions at Duke University. Excerpts from recent projects "St. John's Rose Slumber" and "Places I've Lived" are forthcoming in Hambone, Effing, and minor/american. Previously his poetry has been published in Fascicle and Ocho, and essays and memoirs have appeared in Talisman and on Mipoesias. He is working on "Voicing St. Mark's= " and a further section of "Places I've Lived," as well as an academic study of Kerouac and Buddhism. As he writes this, he sits among the dead in a mal= l in Raleigh (but they are quiet). =20 **Andrea Rexilius http://www.parceljournal.org http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/08/the_era_of_video_poetics_is= _ im_1.html Andrea Rexilius is working toward her Ph.D. in literature and creative writing at the University of Denver. Her poetry and essays have appeared or are forthcoming in Bird Dog, Coconut, Colorado Review, How2, minor/american= , P =E2=80=93Queue, and Volt, among others. She is the editor of the online journal PARCEL and assistant editor of the Denver Quarterly. =20 **Ken Rumble http://www.desertcity.blogspot.com http://www.coconutpoetry.org/rumble2.htm Ken Rumble is the author of Key Bridge (Carolina Wren Press) and the forthcoming President Letters (Scantily Clad Press). His poems have appeare= d in the tiny, Cutbank, One Less Magazine, Talisman, Parakeet, and others. He lives in Greensboro, N.C. =20 **Dianne Timblin Dianne Timblin lives in Durham, N.C. Her work has appeared in minor/american, Phoebe, So to Speak, Rivendell, and other journals. She has been featured as a reader for the Poetry at Noon series at the Library of Congress, and one of her poems was a finalist for the Brenda L. Smart Prize= . =20 =20 *Friday =20 **Babs of Queens=20 http://www.myspace.com/babssoft Babs Todras is a songwriter from Queens. A child of two classical musicians= , she has been in training since before she could form sentences. After a lon= g mid-youth rebellion against her folks, she returned to music in high school and college where she teamed up with Seth of Dufus and Jeffrey Lewis on various musical projects, and she can be found on several of their albums. She plays mostly short songs about love and science, and also likes to cras= h Huggabroomstik tours. =20 **Jim Behrle http://americanpoetry.biz Jim Behrle lives in Brooklyn. =20 **Todd Carlstrom and The Clamour http://www.myspace.com/toddcarlstrom After Todd Carlstrom recorded his solo album, Gold on the Map, it was clear to him that the songs deserved more than to simply remain a studio project. He set about recruiting members of the band that would become Todd Carlstro= m and The Clamour. He managed to entice drummer Eric Shaw of The Domestics into moonlighting. Guitarist Brian Elmquist, a singer/songwriter from Georgia by way of Nashville, came on in early '08. Their show expertly intertwines the poppy wrath of The Pixies, the classic rock nods of Built t= o Spill, the rumbling slink of Sleater-Kinney, and, occasionally, the odd stoner jam a la Brian Jonestown Massacre. =20 **Liv Carrow (see Thursday for bio) =20 **Dibson T. Hoffweiler http://www.dibson.net http://www.myspace.com/dibson Dibson T. Hoffweiler is the latest in a long line of quirky anti-folk ing=C3=A9nues, among them Beck, Adam Green, and Jeffrey Lewis. With a low voice that=E2=80=99s sweet and deadpan, and a guitar-style that=E2=80=99s virtuosic and slopp= y, Hoffweiler carves out a space of compassion and intelligence in a landscape of boring love songs and thinly veiled songwriterly misogyny. Known for his work in anti-folk flagship bands Cheese On Bread, Huggabroomstik, and Urban Barnyard, Dibs began his musical career generating buzz with his old band, Dibs & Sara. Eventually he established himself as a solo artist, including several month long tours of Europe and North America. Dibs has proved (to himself, and to others) that his bizarre, ramshackle aesthetic is palatable outside the freaky comfort zone of New York anti-folk. =20 **Dibson T. Hoffweiler and Preston Spurlock http://www.myspace.com/prestonspurlock Dibson and Preston have been friends and artistic collaborators since meeting at the Sidewalk Cafe in 2005. The two forged a tight bond over thei= r common love of oddball lo-fi music. For a while they performed together as Dibs With Machines, and were both members of one-off anti-folk supergroup Old Hat. They now share a stage as the guitarist and keyboardist of Huggabroomstik. =20 **Bob Holman http://www.bobholman.com Bob Holman is working on a documentary on the poetry of Endangered Language= s and another on Allen Ginsberg. His most recent book, A Couple of Ways of Doing Something (Aperture), a collaboration with Chuck Close, is en route from the Tacoma Museum of Modern Art to the Museo in Santiago, Chile. The Awesome Whatever, his new CD is out from Bowery Books. He is the founder of the Bowery Poetry Club and teaches at NYU and Columbia. =20 **Gillian McCain http://www.limpwristmag.com/conwaymccaintrinidad.html http://www.epoetry.org/issues/issue8/text/poems/trinidad1.htm Gillian McCain is the author of two books of poetry=E2=80=94Tilt and Religion=E2=80=94a= nd is the co-author, with Legs McNeil, of Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk (Grove Press), which has been translated into 10 languages. They are currently working on a new oral history. McCain is also collaborating with David Trinidad and Jeffery Conway on Descent of the Dolls, a book-length poem inspired by the film Valley of the Dolls and the book the Inferno, among other projects. =20 **Daniel Nester http://www.danielnester.com Daniel Nester is the author of The History of My World Tonight (BlazeVOX Books), as well as God Save My Queen and God Save My Queen II (both Soft Skull Press), two collections on his obsession with the rock band Queen. He lives in upstate New York with his wife Maisie and their daughter Miriam. =20 **Prewar Yardsale http://www.myspace.com/prewaryardsale http://www.olivejuicemusic.com/prewaryardsale.html Prewar Yardsale started in the year 2000 under the influence of the Moldy Peaches and Schwervon!. Prewar Yardsale are husband and wife duo Mike Rechner (guitar, vocals) and Dina Levy (bucket, tin can, vocals). Prewar Yardsale, called post-techno, post-punk, post-machine, post-soul, post-anything by the zine Antimatters, recently performed at Huggabroomstock, and their latest release is Prewar Yardsale Peel Sessions (Olive Juice Music). =20 **Arlo Quint http://www.puppyflowers.com/9/quint.html Arlo Quint is the author of Days On End (Open 24 Hours) and Photogenic Memory (Lame House). =20 **The Rabbits http://www.myspace.com/deadrabbitmusic The Rabbits are an indie rock band from Staten Island. They sound like Davi= d Bowie, Jefferson Airplane, and ABBA having a crazy orgy weekend. =20 **Verse Theater Manhattan http://www.versetheater.org Verse Theater Manhattan is the preeminent theater company in the English speaking world devoted exclusively to verse drama. Verse Theater Manhattan focuses on discovering important contemporary plays in verse and working with active poets and playwrights to promote this significant form. In addition to producing plays and reading regularly in New York City for the last decade, the company has toured the Midwest and England to rapt audiences and enthusiastic critics. They=E2=80=99ll be performing TRY! TRY, a wickedly comic tale of love and lust in a time of war from the prototypical New York School poet Frank O=E2=80=99Hara. =20 **Wakey!Wakey! http://www.wakeywakeymusic.com http://www.myspace.com/wakeywakeymusic Wakey!Wakey! is Michael Grubbs (songwriting/vocals/keys), an NYC native who blends gorgeous songcraft with a potent sense of humor to create original, heartfelt songs that cause listeners to stop what they are doing and turn themselves over completely and totally to his storytelling. Wakey!Wakey! features the boundless talent and energy of Gene Back (violin/guitar), and the unique stylings of their female rhythm section=E2=80=94Anne Lieberwirth (bass= ) and Kristin Mueller (drums). In 2007 Wakey!Wakey! released the live album Silent As a Movie (Family Records) and launched an ingenious covers project= , available for download on the band's website and later released as a compilation. The band has shared bills across New York with the likes of indie darlings Rouge Wave, I'm From Barcelona, Someone Still Loves You Bori= s Yeltsin, AA Bondy, and Heloise and the Savoir Faire. =20 =20 *Saturday =20 **A Brief View of the Hudson http://www.myspace.com/abriefviewofthehudson The duo Nick Nace and Ann Enzminger met through chance meetings. Now the tw= o make up an indie folk band, including the record Go North to Find Me (CD Baby). =20 **Austin Alexis, Poets Wear Prada http://home.att.net/~poetswearpradanj/AustinAlexis.html http://www.poetswearprada.blogspot.com Austin Alexis's poetry, fiction, and non-fiction have appeared in a variety of anthologies, journals, magazines, and newspapers, including Barrow Street, The Journal, The Writer, The Pedestal Magazine, and online at Poetz.com. His plays have been performed in New York City, and one was selected for the Samuel French Short Plays Festival. Alexis has taught creative writing at Hunter College=E2=80=99s continuing education program, and ha= s taught and tutored at various universities and college in New York state. H= e lives in Manhattan and teaches at New York City College of Technology (CUNY= ) in Brooklyn. =20 Roxanne Hoffman is the founder of Poets Wear Prada, also known as PWP Books= , a small press based in Hoboken, N.J. and devoted to introducing new authors through limited edition, high-quality chaplets. She is a former Wall Street investment banker and runs the press with her husband Herbert Fuerst, a retired Hollywood agent. Their first offering, released in October 2006, wa= s the 12-page poetry chapbook Your Infidel Eyes by Brant Lyon, host of NYC's Hydrogen Jukebox Jazzoetry Series. Since then, they have released 12 additional titles with plans to release 10 new chapbooks annually. Authors include well-established New York poets Peter Chelnik and Susan Maurer, as well as promising newcomers like Jee Leong Koh, Laura Vookles, and Austin Alexis. =20 **Jaye Bartell, Little Scratch Pad Editions http://www.housepress.org/bartell.html http://www.myspace.com/oakorchardswamp Jaye Bartell was born in Massachusetts; has lived in Asheville, NC; San Jua= n Island, Wash.; and lives in Buffalo. He=E2=80=99s the author of Acres Ourselves (House Press) and Ever After Never Under (Little Scratch Pad Editions). Other work has appeared in Capgun, A Sing Economy (Flim Forum Anthology), and Cutbank.=20 =20 Douglas Manson began Little Scratch Pad Editions in 1997 with the chapbook Snack Size, a collection of his own poems. It remained a self-publishing effort until 2005, with the publication of Aaron Lowinger's Autobiography (co-produced with House Press). It became a press with a mission, to publis= h poetic works by younger writers, often their first chapbooks. Lowinger's chapbook was followed in 2007 with Kristianne Meal's TwentyTwo: first pallet, Tom Yorty's Words in Season, L.A. Howe's NTR PIC E ST R, Michael Basinski's Of Venus 93, Nick Traenkner's Accidental Thrust, and Manson's At Any Point. Recent books are Liz Mariani's Imaginary Poems for My Imaginary Girlfriend Named Anabel, and Jaye Bartell's Ever After / Never Under. =20 **Jen Benka http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=3D1-932360-84-0 Jen Benka was born in Cudahy, Wisconsin, and lives today in Brooklyn. She i= s the politics co-editor of Boog City with Carol Mirakove. Benka is the autho= r of A Box of Longing with 50 Drawers (Soft Skull), an earlier version of which was issued as a limited edition artist book under the title A Revisioning of the Preamble of the Constitution of the United States (Booklyn). She also wrote Manya, comic books drawn by Kris Dresen, and in the 1990s performed with the rock-art band Mook, who launched into their audience larger and cleaner tampons than L7. =20 **Andrew Bishop, Graphic Union Press htp://www.graphicunionpress.org Andrew Bishop is a musician and university development administrator born and raised in the shadow of The Riverside Church. He will be reading other people=E2=80=99s poems. Graphic Union Press is a collaborative publishing venture founded in New York City on the Day of the Serial Epic, 2007. We publish books that are textual and visual on subjects including art and design, music, cities, and bicycles and other machines, and we aim in the making for a more perfect graphic union. **Todd Colby http://www.gleefarm.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/lovetoddcolby Todd Colby is the author of Tremble & Shine, Riot in the Charm Factory, Cush, and Ripsnort (all Soft Skull Press). =20 **Jeff Downey, Octopus Books http://www.realpoetik.blogspot.com/2008/02/jeff-downey.html http://www.octopusbooks.net Jeff Downey is from the panhandle of Nebraska and is studying in the M.F.A. program at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. His poems have appeared in journals including Octopus, RealPoetik, and Handsome. =20 Octopus Books is a small press founded in 2006 by the editors of Octopus Magazine. It has published hand-made, limited edition chapbooks by Genya Turovskaya, Joshua Marie Wilkinson, Jonah Winter, Matthew Rohrer, and Sueyeune Juliette Lee, among others. Their first two full-length book releases are Eric Baus' forthcoming Tuned Droves and Julie Doxsee's Undersleep, which is now available. =20 **Ryan Eckes http://www.phillysound.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html Ryan Eckes lives in South Philadelphia. His poetry can be read in XConnect, Fanzine, Cue: A Journal of Prose Poetry, PhillySound, and his chapbook when i come here (Plan B Press). He has an M.A. in creative writing from Temple University, where he currently teaches. He hosts the Chapter & Verse readin= g series in Philadelphia. =20 **Elise Ficarra http://www.geocities.com/iunyper/rifeone/ficarra.html http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry Elise Ficarra is a Bay Area poet and writer. Swelter, her first book of poems, came out in 2005. A second book, be(g)one, is in progress. A contributor to hinge: a boas anthology of experimental women writers, Ficarra=E2=80=99s work probes impossibilities=E2=80=99 evolution, investigating how linguistic signs=E2=80=94mundane and mythic=E2=80=94recalibrate memory and bodily exper= ience within the crush of nation states. She is co-editor of the journal minor/american and associate director of The Poetry Center at SFSU. =20 **Eric Gelsinger http://www.housepress.org Eric Gelsinger is from Old Buffalo, N.Y. and currently lives in New Buffalo= , Brooklyn. He is a member of House Press, and his poems can also be found in the smooth books of Flim Forum. He trades for a heavy-hitting avant-garde finance firm near Times Square. =20 **Celena Glenn, Bowery Books http://original.bowerypoetry.com/bowerywomen Reading for Bowery Books is Celena Glenn. Celena Glenn is Poet Fashionista-in=E2=80=93Residence for the Nowery Poetry Club, producing fashion poetry shows, spinning, free-styling, and just spitting nearly every week when she=E2=80=99s in town. She ranked second in the 2004 World Poetry Slam, and = is a two-time National Poetry Slam Champion and former host at the Nuyorican Poets' Caf=C3=A9. She is featured in a number of poetry anthologies and magazines, including Spoken Word Revolution, Serum, Composite, and Bullets and Butterflies. Her work can also be seen in the documentaries Slam Channel: War of Words and Urban Scribe. She has performed from Princeton to Rivington Synagogue, from Berkeley to basements in Soweto. Her book Black Cracker (Bowery Books) is forthcoming this fall. =20 Bowery Books is the press of the Bowery Poetry Club, with Bob Holman and Marjorie Tesser as its editors. The press has published essential anthologies, such as Bowery Women: Poems and Estamos Aqu=C3=AD, poems by Migran= t Farmworkers, as well as works by unique poets like Taylor Mead, the octogenarian Andy Warhol intimate who appeared in the film Coffee and Cigarettes, to Poez, a performing street poet. Forthcoming is the new Bower= y Voices series, including Black Cracker by Celena Glenn and Body of Water by Janet Hamill, with photographs by Patti Smith, both in fall 2008, and Touch by Cynthia Kraman in spring 2009. Bowery Books is grateful for the support of the New York State Council on the Arts and is a member of the Council of Literary Magazines and Presses. =20 **Adam Golaski, Flim Forum Press http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/issue/december-green http://www.flimforum.blogspot.com http://www.flimforum.com Adam Golaski is the author of Worse Than Myself (Raw Dog Screaming Press) and Color Plates (Rose Metal Press). Adam's poem "Green"=E2=80=94a translation of Sir Gawain & the Green Knight=E2=80=94appears in installment on Open Letters. Upcoming publications include fiction in The Lifted Brow 4 and Exotic Gothi= c II, and poetry in Moonlit and Little Red Leaves. He edits for Flim Forum Press. =20 Flim Forum Press, founded in 2005, provides SPACE to emerging poets working in a variety of experimental modes. It has published two poetry anthologies= , Oh One Arrow and A Sing Economy, with Brandon Shimoda=E2=80=99s The Alps, forthcoming this fall. =20 **Melissa Christine Goodrum, Other Rooms Press http://www.nyqpoets.net/poet/melissachristinegoodrum http://www.otherroomspress.blogspot.com Melissa Christine Goodrum has an M.F.A. in poetry from Brooklyn College. He= r work has been published in The New York Quarterly, The Torch, The Tiny, Rhapsoidia, Can We Have Our Ball Back?, Transmission, and Bowery Women: Poems, and by Other Rooms Press. She was co-president of the Cambridge Poetry Awards, administrative director of Bowery Arts & Sciences, and the recipient of a Zora Neale Hurston Award from the Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics at Naropa University. She wears many, many masks=E2=80=94poet= , translator, scholar, editor, photographer, and writing teacher in the New York City Public School system. =20 Ed Go and Michael Whalen, graduates of Brooklyn College's M.F.A. program, founded Other Rooms Press (ORP) in January 2007. =E2=80=9CWe got tired of seeing good, innovative poetry go unpublished, ignored by =E2=80=98mainstream,=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98acc= epted=E2=80=99 venues, and created ORP in hopes of providing alternative spaces, =E2=80=98other rooms=E2=80=99 in which quality, experimental poetry that might not otherwise fin= d an audience can flourish,=E2=80=9D they said. =E2=80=9COur goal with our website chapbo= oks and readings is to publish and promote the kind of experimental, linguistically innovative, playful poetry that we love; we hope you enjoy it.=E2=80=9D=20 =20 **Stephanie Gray http://www.leafscape.org/StrawGateBooks/gray.html Stephanie Gray is a poet and experimental filmmaker whose super 8 films often have poem voiceovers. Her first poetry collection, Heart Stoner Bingo (Straw Gate Books) was published this past December. Her films have screene= d at festivals and venues including Millennium Film Workshop, Ann Arbor, Oberhausen, Viennale, VIDEOEX, Cinematexas, Antimatter, Chicago Underground= , and Madcat. She has received funding for her films from the New York Foundation for the Arts and the New York State Council on the Arts. =20 **David Hadbawnik http://www.habenichtpress.com David Hadbawnik is a poet and performer who lives with his wife in Buffalo, N.Y. Recent publications include the books Translations from Creeley (Sardines), Ovid in Exile (Interbirth), and SF Spleen (Skanky Possum); essays in Big Bridge and Chicago Review; and poems in the Marlboro Review (in which his poem =E2=80=9CThe Gods=E2=80=9D was chosen by Heather McHugh as a finalis= t for the Poetry Prize) and Damn the Caesars. He is the editor and publisher of Habenicht Press and the journal kadar koli. He begins studying toward his Ph.D. in poetics at the University at Buffalo this fall. =20 **Heart Parts=20 (see Damian Weber for bio) =20 **Casey Holford http://www.caseyholford.com http://www.myspace.com/casey Casey Holford started playing piano at 12, picked up his mother's guitar fo= r coffeehouse and DIY shows at 14, and was performing regularly in the Boston-Providence songwriter circuit by 18. Now living in Brooklyn, he has recorded three self-released solo albums, two EPs, and a recent 7-inch on RiYL records. Along the way Holford=E2=80=99s managed to tour on the east and wes= t coasts multiple times as well as in Europe, sharing bills with like-minded songwriters such as Erin McKeown, Diane Cluck, Regina Spektor, Kimya Dawson= , and Matt the Electrician. He currently moonlights in the bands Outlines, Urban Barnyard, Dream Bitches, and Art Sorority for Girls, playing bass, electric, 12 string, and baritone guitars. He is also a prolific producer, working on projects with fellow bands and songwriters, most recently pop riot Cheese on Bread, visionary Dave Deporis, and upstart Creaky Boards. =20 **Bill Kushner=20 http://www.rattapallax.com/ebooks/DreamsWaters_sample.pdf Bill Kushner is a poet residing in Chelsea. He is the author of In Sunsetland With You (Straw Gate Books), In the Hairy Arms of Whitman (Melville House Publications), He Dreams of Waters (Rattapallax), and That April (United Artists Books) among others. He has twice received a New York Foundation for The Arts fellowship. His work has been published in the Best American Poetry 2002. =20 **Brant Lyon, LOGOChrysalis http://www.logochrysalis.com Brant Lyon has=E2=80=94in increasing order of difficulty=E2=80=94eaten a guinea pig bes= ide Macchu Picchu, climbed the Himalayas to catch a sunrise, driven a New York City cab, taught himself Arabic to open a cyber cafe=C2=A0near the great Pyramids, tickled the ivories at Carnegie Hall, and written poetry for the past decade or so! He=E2=80=99s got some printed in Rattle, Lullwater Review, Medicinal Purposes, BigCityLit, and other journals, other of it anthologize= d in The Rutherford Red Wheelbarrow Poets (Becton-Schanz), The Company We Kee= p (Poet Warrior), and in his chapbook Your Infidel Eyes (Poets Wear Prada), now in its second printing. Lyon otherwise conflates poetry with music, as a composer and performer, in his =E2=80=9Cjazzoetry=E2=80=9D reading series, Hydrogen Jukebox, and in his newly rele= ased poemusic CD, Beauty Keeps Laying Its Sharp Knife Against Me (LOGOchrysalis)= . LOGOchrysalis Productions is a small literary/musical enterprise founded in 2007 by Brooklyn-based poet/writer and composer/musician Brant Lyon. In the early spring of 2008 LOGOchrysalis debuted its first work, Brant Lyon & Friends=E2=80=99 Beauty Keeps Laying Its Sharp Knife Against Me, a CD anthology o= f eight notable New York City poets performing their poetry set to music composed and performed by Lyon, who also executive produced the album. In this highly eclectic collection, whose music integrates a wide range of genres from hard-driving R&B/funk to ambient/soundscape, an equally far-ranging array of poetic styles and subjects take the listener on a journey from the mid-way of Coney Island to the war-torn jungles of =E2=80=9970s Cambodia to the Dead Sea of Palestine to a ride in a spaceship with alien abductors, and stops in between. LOGOchrysalis expects its second poemusic CD to be published early next year. **Douglas Manson http://www.dougfinmanson.blogspot.com http://www.starcherone.blogspot.com/2008/07/doug-manson-interview-on-having= - fallen.html Douglas Manson was born in Akron, Ohio and many years later earned an M.A. in English from Kent State and a Ph.D. in English from The University at Buffalo. He lives in Buffalo as a poet and writer, and publisher of Celery Flute: The Kenneth Patchen Newsletter and little scratch pad editions. He hosted a weekly poetry radio show for a community-based AM station,=20 Inkaudible Poetry Radio from 2004-06. He is a songwriter and guitar player.= =20 Amid an ongoing series of chapbooks, he has most recently published a=20 full-length book of poems, Roofing and Siding (BlazeVOX Books), and the=20 expanded chapbook At Any Point (2008). =20 **Kristianne Meal http://www.artvoice.com/issues/v6n49/guts_guns_and_gusto Kristianne Meal operates Rust Belt Books in Buffalo, N.Y. from 4D=20 frequencies. Her book TwentyTwo, first pallet (Little Scratch Pad Editions)= =20 was published last year. =20 **Sharon Mesmer http://www.thebestamericanpoetry.typepad.com/the_best_american_poetry/2008/= 0 5/getting-to-kn-1.html http://www.jacketmagazine.com/30/fl-mesmer.html Sharon Mesmer is the recipient of two New York Foundation for the Arts=20 fellowships in poetry. Her two recently released poetry collections are The= =20 Virgin Formica (Hanging Loose Press) and Annoying Diabetic Bitch (Combo=20 Books). Her other works include Half Angel, Half Lunch (Hard Press), Vertig= o=20 Seeks Affinities (Belladonna Books), and Crossing Second Avenue (ABJ Books)= .=20 Her work is internationally known including translations and collaborative=20 works. Her work has recently appeared in New American Writing, The Brooklyn= =20 Rail, Van Gogh=E2=80=99s Ear, and Hanging Loose. Her fiction collections are In=20 Ordinary Time and The Empty Quarter (Hanging Loose Press) and Ma Vie =C3=A0=20 Yonago (in French translation from Hachette Litt=C3=A9ratures, France). She=20 teaches at the New School.=20 =20 **Carol Mirakove http://www.factoryschool.com/pubs/heretical/vol2/mirakove/index.html Carol Mirakove was born in Queens and lives in Brooklyn. She is the author=20 of Mediated (Factory School), Occupied (Kelsey St. Press), and, with Jen=20 Benka, 1,138 (Belladonna). Her love of poetry began with deterrence to=20 reading, where the vast space on the page provided comfort. Her favorite=20 things include The Cliks, Caravan of Dreams, and math. Carol is a dog=20 person. =20 **Oak Orchard Swamp (see Jaye Bartell for bio) =20 **kathyrn l. pringle http://www.dusie.org/pringle.html http://www.42opus.com/v6n2/harmony2 kathryn l. pringle is the author of The Stills (Duration Press) and Temper = &=20 Felicity are Lovers (TAXT). Her poems can be read in the Denver Quarterly,=20 Fence, Cold Drill, Dusie, 14 hills, small town, string of small machines,=20 and 580 Split, among others. She edits the literary magazine minor/american= ,=20 and curates the minor/american reading series in Durham, N.C. She has also=20 been known to blog at minor/american, too. =20 **Ariana Reines, Fence/Fence Books http://www.fence.fenceportal.org http://www.fencebooks.fenceportal.org Ariana Reines is the author of The Cow (Alberta Prize, Fence Books) and=20 Coeur de Lion (Mal-O-Mar). Two volumes of translation, of works by Charles=20 Baudelaire and Gris=C3=A9lidis R=C3=A9al, will appear next year from Mal-O-Mar and=20 Semiotext(e), respectively. New York's Foundry Theatre will produce her=20 first play in February 2009. She'll be Holloway Lecturer in Poetry at the=20 University of California at Berkeley this coming spring. Her next Fence boo= k=20 is MERCURY; it will come out sometime. =20 Fence is a biannual journal of poetry, fiction, art, and criticism that has= =20 a mission to redefine the terms of accessibility by publishing challenging=20 writing distinguished by idiosyncrasy and intelligence rather than by=20 allegiance with camps, schools, or cliques. It is part of our press's=20 mission to support writers who might otherwise have difficulty being=20 recognized because their work doesn't answer to either the mainstream or to= =20 recognizable modes of experimentation. Launched in 2001, Fence Books=20 publishes poetry, fiction, critical texts and anthologies, and prioritizes=20 sustained support for its authors, many of whom come to us through our two=20 book contests and then go on to publish second, third, and fourth books. =20 **Tom Savage, Straw Gate Books http://www.leafscape.org/StrawGateBooks With Brainlifts, Tom Savage has published nine books of poetry, his latest=20 arriving this July via Straw Gate Books. After receiving his B.A. at=20 Brooklyn College, Tom then went to India for four years. In 1986 he=20 accompanied Allen Ginsberg and fellow guest poets on a reading tour of=20 Nicaragua. He has been awarded grants from the Fund for Poetry and the=20 Coordinating Council of Literary Magazines. =20 Straw Gate Books, founded by Phyllis Wat in 2005, publishes poetry and=20 occasional related texts. Straw Gate is particularly interested in works by= =20 women and non-polemical writing with an underlying social content. They als= o=20 feature new and long-established authors whose work is under-served. Its=20 books are The Rorschach Factory by Valerie Fox, In Sunsetland With You by=20 Bill Kushner, Heart Stoner Bingo by Stephanie Gray, and Brainlifts by Tom=20 Savage. Forthcoming books include work by Lydia Cortes and Merry Fortune. =20 **Kyle Schlesinger http://www.kyleschlesinger.com Kyle Schlesinger is the author of two books of poetry, Hello Helicopter=20 (BlazeVOX Books) and The Pink (Kenning). He is the co-editor of Mimeo Mimeo= =20 with Jed Birmingham and ON with Thom Donovan and Michael Cross. He will be=20 curating the Monday night reading series at the Poetry Project in 2008-09. =20 **Jessica Smith, Outside Voices http://www.looktouch.com/press Jessica Smith edits Outside Voices press from which her first book, Organic= =20 Furniture Cellar, was released in 2006. She is also editor of Foursquare=20 Magazine. She lives in Buffalo, N.Y. An imprint of Bootstrap Productions (Cambridge, Mass.), Buffalo N.Y.-based=20 Outside Voices publishes poetry & experimental text-based art. **Virna Teixeira, Litmus Press/Aufgabe http://www.papelderascunho.net http://www.litmuspress.org Virna Teixeira was born in Fortaleza, Brazil and has lived in S=C3=A3o Paulo fo= r=20 many years. She is the author of Visita and Dist=C3=A2ncia, and has three books= =20 of translations published=E2=80=94Na Esta=C3=A7=C3=A3o Central Central, a selection of po= ems=20 of the Scottish poet Edwin Morgan; Ovelha Negra, an anthology of Scottish=20 poetry; and Livro Universal by Chilean poet H=C3=A9ctor Hernandez Montecinos.=20 Selections of her poems have been translated and published abroad=E2=80=94Distanc= ia=20 (M=C3=A9xico, Lunarena Editorial) and Fin de Si=C3=A8cle (Editorial Universidad de = La=20 Plata, Argentina)=E2=80=94and she has participated in anthologies of Brazilian=20 poetry in the U.S., Latin America, and Portugal. =20 Litmus Press is a nonprofit literature and arts organization dedicated to=20 supporting innovative, cross-genre writing, with an emphasis on poetry and=20 international works in translation. Litmus press publishes two or three=20 single-author works a year, in addition to Aufgabe, an annual journal of=20 poetry, translations, essays, reviews, and art. =20 **Maureen Thorson=20 http://www.reenhead.com/mole/mole.php Maureen Thorson lives in Washington, D.C., where she practices law and runs= =20 the smallest press in the world, Big Game Books. She is the author of two=20 chapbooks, Novelty Act (Ugly Duckling Press) and Mayport (Poetry Society of= =20 America). Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Exquisite Corpse,=20 Octopus, a Handsome Journal, and the Yale Anthology of Younger American=20 Poetry. =20 **Damian Weber, House Press http://www.housepress.org=20 http://www.housepress.blogspot.com Damian Weber has published 18 books with House Press, including his newest=20 Barkeater, which he will be reading from at the Welcome to Boog City=20 festival. He thinks there should be more readings like this one, and is so=20 excited to see Eileen Myles because he thinks she's the coolest ever and=20 that Chelsea Girls is how more people should write. He met her once at Susa= n=20 Howe's class and she told a story about reading a Kobainer poem at a poetry= =20 slam in Seattle and totally losing. Apparently they're no fun. =20 House Press came together in Buffalo in 2002 as poets inside and outside th= e=20 University at Buffalo started daily and nightly collaborations. That year,=20 they began a workshop at 149 Lisbon, a reading series at Spot Coffee, minte= d=20 the first issue of the magazine Drill, and published their first book, an=20 our-man collaboration/collection. Since then, some members have scattered t= o=20 Chicago, Brooklyn, San Francisco, Albany, St. Louis, and Charlottesville,=20 Va., while others have held down the fort. Drill has morphed into String of= =20 Small Machines (S.F./Chicago), and two other magazines, Spell (Chicago) and= =20 Source Material (Brooklyn), have arisen. Meanwhile, House has put out over=20 two dozen books and a half-dozen CDs. In addition to poetry and music,=20 they've also worked with prose, street art, book art, and film. =20 **Mark Lamoureux, Cy Gist Press=20 http://www.cygistpress.com Mark Lamoureux lives in Astoria, Queens. Spuyten Duyvil/Meeting Eyes Binder= y=20 published his first full-length collection, Astrometry Organon, earlier thi= s=20 year. He is the author of four chapbooks: Traceland, 29 Cheeseburgers, Film= =20 Poems, and City/Temple. His work has appeared in print and online in Carve,= =20 Coconut, Conduit, Denver Quarterly, Fence, GutCult, Jubilat, Lungfull!,=20 Melancholia=E2=80=99s Tremulous Dreadlocks, miPoesias, and Mustachioed, among=20 others. He started Cy Gist Press, a micropress focusing on ekphrastic=20 poetry, in 2006. He is an associate editor for Fulcrum Annual, printed=20 matter editor for Boog City, and teaches English at Kingsborough Community=20 College.=20 Editor Mark Lamoureux started Cy Gist Press in 2006. The press' focus is on= =20 ekphrastic poetry, or works that have a strong visual sensibility. Volumes=20 are handmade in print runs of 100-150, with all design work and printing=20 done in-house by Lamoureux. =20 =20 *Sunday =20 **Ana Bo=C5=BEi=C4=8Devi=C4=87=20 http://www.quoileternite.blogspot.com Ana Bo=C5=BEi=C4=8Devi=C4=87 is a poet living in North Massapequa. She's the author of=20 Document (Octopus Books). =20 **Lee Ann Brown http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Brown.html http://www.epc.buffalo.edu/authors/brown Lee Ann Brown loves to perform. Her books include The Sleep That Changed=20 Everything (Wesleyan University Press) and Polyverse (Sun & Moon Press), th= e=20 latter of which included earlier chapbooks such as a museme (Boog=20 Literature) and Crush (Leave Books). She loves to sing and play with her=20 daughter Miranda, who is beginning kindergarten this fall at The Blue Man=20 Creativity Center, as well as collaborate with her husband, Tony Torn, with= =20 whom she has started The French Broad Institute (of Time and the River) in=20 Marshall, N.C. During the school year she lives in NYC, goes to lots of=20 readings, and teaches poetry at St. John's University. =20 **Tisa Bryant http://www.themagicmakers.blogspot.com/2007/03/tisa-bryant-authorscholar-ti= s a-bryant.html Tisa Bryant makes work that often traverses the boundaries of genre,=20 culture, and history. Her first book, Unexplained Presence (Leon Works), is= =20 a collection of original, hybrid essays that remix narratives from=20 eurocentric film, literature, and visual arts and zoom in on the black=20 presences operating within them. Her writing has appeared or is forthcoming= =20 in a number of places, including Abraham Lincoln, The Believer, 1913: A=20 Journal of Forms, Sustainable Aircraft, and with the paintings of visual=20 artist Laylah Ali. She is also author of the chapbook, Tzimmes (a+bend=20 Press). She is assistant professor of writing at St. John's University,=20 Queens; lives in Crown Heights, Brooklyn; and is a founding editor/publishe= r=20 of the hardcover annual The Encyclopedia Project. =20 **Julia Cohen http://www.onthemessiersideofneat.blogspot.com http://www.pshares.blogspot.com/2007/12/new-voice-1-julia-cohen.html Julia Cohen is the author of three chapbooks, If Fire, Arrival (horse less=20 press), Who Could Forget the Sensational First Evening of the Night (H_NGM_= N=20 B__KS), and, with Mathias Svalina, When We Broke the Microscope (Small Fire= s=20 Press). Her chapbooks The History of a Lake Never Drowns (Dancing Girl=20 Press) and, also with Mathias Svalina, Chugwater (Transmission Press) are=20 forthcoming. Poems have been published in Denver Quarterly, Copper Nickel,=20 Bird Dog, Spinning Jenny, the tiny, MiPOesia, GutCult, and Forklift, Ohio,=20 among others.=20 =20 **John Coletti http://www.fewfurpressrainbow.blogspot.com John Coletti is the author of The New Normalcy (Boog Literature), Physical=20 Kind (Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs), and the forthcoming Same Enemy Rainbow= =20 (fewer & further). He is the editor of The Poetry Project Newsletter.=20 =20 **Jennifer Firestone http://www.asu.edu/pipercwcenter/how2journal/vol_3_no_2/mentoring/interview= _ firestone_myles.html Jennifer Firestone is the co-editor of Letters To Poets: Conversations Abou= t=20 Poetics, Politics, and Community (Saturnalia Books), forthcoming in October= .=20 She is the author of Holiday (Shearsman Books), Waves (Portable Press at=20 Yo-Yo Labs), and From Flashes and snapshot (Sona Books). Her work has=20 appeared in HOW2, LUNGFULL!, Xcp: Streetnotes, Fourteen Hills, Dusie, 580=20 Split, and Saint Elizabeth Street, among others. She is an assistant=20 professor teaching poetry at Eugene Lang College at The New School for=20 Liberal Arts, and lives in Brooklyn with her husband and their infant twins= . =20 **Corrine Fitzpatrick http://www.chax.org/eoagh/issue3/issuethree/fitzpatrick.html http://www.brooklynrail.org/2006/11/poetry/poetry-by-corrine-fitzpatrick Corrine Fitzpatrick is the author of Zamboanguena and On Melody Dispatch.=20 She is in the M.F.A. program at Bard College and is the program coordinator= =20 for The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church. =20 **Edward Foster http://www.stevens.edu/provost/academics/undergraduate/faculty_profile1.php= ? faculty_id=3D905 http://www.lightmillennium.org/2005_15th/edfoster_fbingul_interview.html Ed Foster=E2=80=99s recent books include What He Ought To Know: New and Selected=20 Poems (Marsh Hawk Press) and A History of the Common Scale. Described by on= e=20 critic as "the epitome of the poet/scholar," he is the author of numerous=20 volumes of literary criticism and history but is better know for his poetry= ,=20 characterized by "sureness of register, intelligence of arrangement,=20 delicacy of emotional patterning, elegance of effect" says Verse magazine.=20 The founding editor of Talisman House Publishers, he is a professor of=20 history and an associate dean in the College of Arts and Letters at the=20 Stevens Institute of Technology. =20 **Yoko Kikuchi http://www.yokokikuchi.com http://www.dreambitches.org Yoko Kikuchi writes songs to play solo, as well as being the main songwrite= r=20 for Dream Bitches. She has one solo release, Songs I Wrote For You, and is=20 working on releasing a solo triple-album in the fall. Dream Bitches has two= =20 albums=E2=80=94Sanfransisters (Olive Juice Music) and Coke-and-Spiriters=20 (Recommended If You Like Records). As well as recording her own projects,=20 Kikuchi appears as a backing vocalist/harmony composer on a number of=20 recordings by talented artists including Dan Fishback, Phoebe Kreutz, Dibs,= =20 Casey Holford, Josh Malamy, and Andrew Phillip Tipton. She also=20 performs/guest stars in a number of groups, most notably the Kreutzenjammer= =20 Kids, Piaf the Eiffel Tower, and The Leader. =20 **Amy King http://www.amyking.org Amy King is the author of I'm the Man Who Loves You and Antidotes for an=20 Alibi (BlazeVOX Books), and, most recently, Kiss Me With the Mouth of Your=20 Country (Dusie Press). She is the moderator for the Poetics List and the=20 Women's Poetry Listserv, and teaches English and creative writing at Nassau= =20 Community College. She is currently editing an anthology, The Urban Poetic,= =20 forthcoming from Factory School. =20 **Rachel Levitsky http://www.delirioushem.blogspot.com/2008/02/dim-sum-rachel-levitsky.html http://www.chax.org/eoagh/issue3/issuethree/levitsky.html Rachel Levitsky is the author of Under the Sun (Futurepoem books) and five=20 poetry chapbooks. She has written several poetry plays, three of which (one= =20 of them with Camille Roy) have been performed in New York and San Francisco= .=20 Recently her work was translated into Icelandic for the anthology 131.839=20 Sl=C3=B6g Med Bilum by Eir=C3=ADkur =C3=96rn Nordahl. Online poetry and critical essays= can=20 be found at Delirious Hem, Narrativity, Duration Press, How2, and Web=20 Conjunctions, among others. She is the founder and co-director of=20 Belladonna*, an event and publication series of feminist avant-garde=20 poetics. =20 **Timothy Liu http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/114 Timothy Liu has two new books of poetry forthcoming, Bending the Mind Aroun= d=20 the Dream=E2=80=99s Blown Fuse (Talisman House Press) and Polytheogamy (Saturnali= a=20 Books). He lives in Manhattan. =20 **Eileen Myles http://www.eileenmyles.com http://www.eileenmyles.net Eileen Myles was born in Cambridge, Mass. in 1949, and moved to New York=20 City in 1974 to be a poet. Since then she has written produced, performed,=20 and edited more than 20 plays, libretti, films books of poetry, and fiction= ,=20 most recently Sorry, Tree. Importance of Being Iceland (essays) and The=20 Inferno, a poet's novel, are forthcoming. She lives and writes in New York. =20 **Mendi Lewis Obadike=20 http://www.blacknetart.com Mendi Lewis Obadike is the author of Armor and Flesh: Poems and the librett= o=20 for the internet opera The Sour Thunder. The Whitney Museum of American Art= ,=20 Yale University, and the New York African Film Festival and Electronic Arts= =20 Intermix, are among the institutions that have commissioned her text-based=20 new media art. She received a Rockefeller New Media Award to develop=20 TaRonda, Who Wore White Gloves, an opera which explores black codes of=20 conduct. She developed Four Electric Ghosts (an opera based on Amos=20 Tutuola's novel My Life in the Bush of Ghosts and the video game Pac-Man) i= n=20 Toni Morrison's Atelier at Princeton in the fall of 2005. Mendi lives and=20 works with her husband Keith in the New York metropolitan area. =20 **Simon Pettet http://www.jacketmagazine.com/29/leddy-pettet.html http://www.jacketmagazine.com/25/pett-berr-iv.html Simon Pettet is an internationally renowned English-born poet and long-time= =20 Lower East Side resident. His most recent book of poems is the=20 much-acclaimed More Winnowed Fragments (Talisman House Press). Hearth=E2=80=94New= =20 and Selected Poems is due from the same publisher later in the fall. He is=20 also the author of two classic collaborations with photographer-filmmaker,=20 Rudy Burckhardt, Conversations About Everything and Talking Pictures, and=20 edited the Art Writings of the Pulitzer-prize-winning New York School poet=20 James Schuyler. "Like Beethoven's Bagatelles", John Ashbery has written,=20 =E2=80=9CSimon Pettet's short poems have a great deal to say, and their seeming=20 modest dimensions help rather than hinder his saying it.=E2=80=9D =20 **Nick Piombino http://www.argotistonline.co.uk/Piombino%20interview.htm http://www.nickpiombino.blogspot.com Nick Piombino guest edited OCHO 14. He opened his ongoing weblog fait=20 accompli in February 2003. His latest books are fait accompli (Factory=20 School) and Free Fall (Otoliths), a collage novel containing over 150=20 full-color images. Contradicta, with illustrations by Toni Simon is due thi= s=20 fall from Green Integer. =20 **Meghan Punschke http://www.megpunschke.com Meghan Punschke is the author of Stratification (BlazeVOX Books). She=20 resides in New York City, and has an M.F.A. in poetry from The New School.=20 She is the curator and host of Word of Mouth, a reading series dedicated to= =20 poets and fiction/non-fiction writers. She is also the managing editor for=20 the literary journal Oranges & Sardines. Her poetry was nominated for a=20 Pushcart Prize in 2007, and it can be found in MiPO, No Tell Motel, Coconut= ,=20 Sawbuck, and OCHO, among others.=20 =20 **Christopher Stackhouse=20 http://www.readab.com/cstackhouse.html Christopher Stackhouse is the author of the poetry collection Slip=20 (Corollary Press) and co-author of Seismosis (1913 Press), which features a= =20 collaboration of Stackhouse's drawings with text by writer/author/professor= =20 John Keene. He is a Cave Canem Writers Fellow, and, a 2005 Fellow in Poetry= =20 from the New York Foundation for the Arts. He has recently successfully=20 completed studies, granting him an M.F.A. in writing/interdisciplinary=20 studies from Bard College in 2009. =20 **Mathias Svalina http://www.mathiassvalina.blogspot.com Mathias Svalina is a co-editor of Octopus Magazine and Octopus Books. He is= =20 the author of the chapbooks Why I Am White (Kitchen Press), Creation Myths=20 (New Michigan Press), and The Viral Lease (Small Anchor Press). He is the=20 co-author of the collaboratively written chapbooks Or Else What, Asked the=20 Flame, with Paula Cisewski (SC Press), When We Broke the Microscope (Small=20 Fires Press), and Chugwater (Transmission Press), which were both written=20 with Julia Cohen. His first book, Destruction Myth, is forthcoming from=20 Cleveland State University Press next year. =20 **Stacy Szymaszek http://www.lemonhound.blogspot.com/2008/04/autoportraits-conversation-with-= s tacy.html Stacy Szymaszek is the author of Emptied of All Ships and the forthcoming=20 Hyperglossia (both Litmus Press). She recently published her faux=20 coming-of-age tale Orizaba: A Voyage with Hart Crane (Faux Press). Her=20 passion for Crane is so real. She is the artistic director of the Poetry=20 Project at St. Mark's Church. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:10:41 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Ellis Subject: etymological derivations of "clitoris" In-Reply-To: <716314.20194.qm@web90502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All=2C I seem to remember a very brief thread that discussed this=2C a part of whi= ch was a rather interesting and thorough-seeming (and geographically quite = "wide") etymological development that related "clitoris" to "guitar" among = other things . . . I think the post was from Gabriel Gudding=2C but haven't= a clue as to the year. =20 =20 I just did a search through through the UB archives which turned a blank . = . . does anyone recall this thread=2C and its details? If so=2C b/c me if = you want=3B I remain most curious about it all. Best=2C SE _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn =9310 hidden secrets=94 from Jamie= . http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:21:32 -0700 Reply-To: poet_in_hell@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at Thebes In-Reply-To: <20080915.115227.232.1.skyplums@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii dog eats librettist. tough world. --- On Mon, 9/15/08, steve d. dalachinsky wrote: From: steve d. dalachinsky Subject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at Thebes To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 11:52 AM not a libretti a libretto usually in old days librettist was forgotten like the leider writer or even when folks talk of burt bacharach or elton john you rarely har about hal david or bernie taupin in some cases the librettist and composer were one in the same ditto leider as in the case with certain mahler leider and as i once wrote in a poem if the opera's a success they praies the composer if it's a flop they blame the librettist On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:22:41 -0700 steve russell writes: > cool. Libretti's must be challenging. I've written plays, but have > them stashed. I think I may have the people skills to do something > with them now. before, ugh, ugh... > > The poet Cornelius Eady was nominated for a pultizer for a libretti > he wrote. but the title escapes me. > Richard Foreman is out there. & only Yorkers get to see the work. > > best, > Steve Russell > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Alison Croggon > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:04:58 PM > Subject: Re: Derek Walcott directing Seamus Heaney's Burial at > Thebes > > Break a leg, Harry. I wish I could see it, but alas, am too far > away. > Steve, the question about poetry and theatre has exercised me often. > I've sometimes wondered why poets seem less interested than once > they > were, because theatre is a fascinating art if you're interested in > poetry, or so it seems to me. Not that there's not contemporary > connections - The UK poet Chris Goode is well known in Britain as a > theatre maker, for instance. And the playwright Howard Barker is a > fine poet himself. Charles Bernstein has close connection to Richard > Foreman and has written libretti himself. Etc etc. Dig a bit and > you'll find things. Myself, I've written three libretti (two of > which > have been produced) and a number of plays for stage and radio. Fwiw, > my most recent Salt collection is called THEATRE... > > I run a blog which reviews and discusses theatre here in Melbourne > (occasionally in London, if I'm there) which might interest you - > http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > > All the best > > Alison > > > > 2008/9/14 Harry Ross : > >> Hello, > >> > >> I've lurked on this list for a few years, and very much enjoyed > reading many > >> posts. Not an academic and not much of a poet I've never posted. > Anyway, > >> what I do do is work in classical music and I am producing an > operatic > >> adaptation of The Burial at Thebes which will be designed and > directed by > >> Derek Walcott. The show opens at Shakespeare's Globe, London in > about a > >> month. Anyway, I thought I'd let you all know as you might find > it > >> interesting to discuss one poet directing another's work. > >> > >> ================================== > >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Andrew > > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/ > > > > ================================== > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > -- > Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au > Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com > Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:23:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Two Josef Koudelka Exhibits: 1968 "When Prague Spring Gave Way to Winter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The grimmest Christmas Day i spent was in the train station in Prgaue, with truly immense poster of Soviet Soldiers marching, their boots crushing down on the station-- and the Tchaikovsky music played for hours! i was under a guard the whole time so not allowd to go anywhere except step out front to see the collassal soldiers-- which had lettering that read--"Our Friends The Soviet Army" this was 1975-- in years previous, one found refugee Czech students trying to get by making huge chalk painting repros, portraits of tourists and drawings of all kinds on sidewalks, esp in Paris-- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/arts/design/14geft.html?_r=1&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin *ARTS / ART & DESIGN * | September 14, 2008 * Art: When Prague Spring Gave Way to Winter * By PHILIP GEFTER Two photography shows by Josef Koudelka showcase his tank-level view of the 1968 Soviet invasion. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:49:19 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: Release Party + Performance for Christophe Casamassima's 'the Proteus' Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Book Release Party & Performance for Christophe Casamassima=92s the PROTEUS=20 featuring Poet=92s Theatre under the direction of Enoch Chan & M. Magnus=20 with Laura Rocklyn, Jon Lee, and Erin Kaufman Towson ARTS Collective 406 York Rd Lower Level Towson, Maryland 21204 Friday. September 26.=20 7 P.M.-9 P.M. On September 26th, 2008,=20 Christophe Casamassima=20 and friends will celebrate=20 the release of the Proteus=20 [Moria Books]. The festivities=20 begin at 7 PM sharp,=20 and will include live=20 performances / readings=20 by the poet plus a reading=20 by M. Magnus, including=20 live remixes of his poetry=20 under the direction of=20 Enoch Chan with Laura=20 Rocklyn, Jon Lee, and=20 Erin Kaufman.=20 Books will be available for sale and signing. Food and beverages will also = be available thanks to kind donations from the Towson University English De= partment. ::contact:: cacasama@towson.edu / 410.718.6574 --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:53:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed New and On View: Mudlark Issue No. 36 (2008) Leg Paint by Peter Waldor Notes to a Painter for a Series of Paintings on the Millipede's Legs Peter Waldor is the author of Door to a Noisy Room from Alice James Books (2008) and Mudlark Poster No. 63 (2006). New poems are forthcoming in the Colorado Review, Iowa Review, and Mothering Magazine. He lives in Northern New Jersey with his wife and children. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:31:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: JULIE KIZERSHOT Subject: Forwarding event- no reply In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear PEN Supporters, Next Tuesday, September 23, at Cooper Union=E2=80=9As Great Hall, PEN will presen= t a program to honor Burmese writers whose work has been suppressed by the military regime and to support the victims of the recent cyclone. Readers will include Kiran Desai, Orhan Pamuk, Salman Rushdie, and Venerable U Gawsita, among others. The event, commemorating the 20th anniversary of the 1988 popular uprising, as well as the first anniversary of last year=E2=80=9As monks=E2=80=9A protests, will pay tribute to writers, journalists, monks, and all those who continue to raise their voices, at enormous personal risk, for greater freedom in Burma. All proceeds from this event will be donated to the International Burmese Monks Organization, a network of Buddhist monks collecting relief aid for the victims of Cyclone Nargis. Tickets are $20 and are available online or by phone: www.smarttix.com or 212-868-4444. We would love to see you at 7 p.m. next Tuesday at this important event. Yo= u can find additional program details here: www.pen.org/readingburma Thank you for your continuing support. Warmly, Francine Prose =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:09:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Karen Schubert Subject: Whiskey Island Magazine release party In-Reply-To: <7c5d8c450809161717n5cc67446x9cb7f9bddc7d3549@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Editors Karen Schubert, Amy Bracken Sparks and Travis Hessman invite you to > a Whiskey Island Magazine release party! Double issue #54/55, reading > will feature Deborah Poe, Sean Thomas Dougherty, Michael Salinger, John > Panza, many others. We have invited all past contributors. Friday, 19 > September, 2008, 7:00 at Cleveland State University's Fenn Tower ballroom on > Euclid. Parking EG deck on Chester. whiskeyisland@csuohio.edu. > Whiskey Island issue #54/55 contributors include Eric Anderson, B.J. Best, > Megan Bohigian, Jason Bredle, Jericho Brown, Simmons B. Buntin, Nick Carbo, > Kathy Davis, Sean Thomas Dougherty, Denise Duhamel, Thomas Dukes, Blas > Falconer, Elton Glaser, Benjamin S. Grossberg, James Allen Hall, H.L. Hix, > Jay Hopler, Nigel Jenkins, Wayne Miller, Carl Peterson, Deborah Poe, Michael > Salinger, Jeffrey Skinner, Jonathan Wells, Joshua Marie Wilkinson. > $12 Whiskey Island Magazine/English Dept./Cleveland State > University/Cleveland, OH 44115 > > > -- > Karen Schubert > General Editor > Whiskey Island Magazine > Department of English > Cleveland State University > Cleveland, OH 44115 > http://www.csuohio.edu/class/english/whiskeyisland/ > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:26:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: American Poets Added to British Archive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http:// www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/arts/17arts-AMhERICANPOET_BRF.html?ei=5070&emc=eta1 *ARTS * | September 17, 2008 * Arts, Briefly: American Poets Added to British Archive * Compiled by JULIE BLOOM Gwendolyn Brooks and Theodore Roethke are among the 14 influential 20th-century American poets whose recordings have been added to Britain's free online poetry archive, the BBC reported. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:35:58 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: GET BITCH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recent on the blog: *=A0 GET BITCH (they publish poems too)=A0 -- Help!: http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/get-bitch/=A0=20 *=A0 Poetry Is To Money As Ice Cream Is To Mud --=20 http://amyking.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/poetry-is-to-money-as-ice-cream-is-= to-mud/ *=A0 DFW, etc etc -- http://amyking.wordpress.com/ Be well, Amy _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:04:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: Chirot's After Rimbaud's Illuminations --new from tir aux pigeons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline now available, a selection of After Rimbaud's Illuminations After Rimbaud's Illuminations (book)David-Baptiste Chirot Print: $5.00 Download: FREE To think of Rimbaud as a cartographer is in no way a stretch of the imagination. And to think that Chirot has used one of Rimbaud's maps to traverse his memory while simultaneously his dreams, is altogether possible=97and it seems this is what Chirot has done. http://www.lulu.com/content/3882597 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:22:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: Charles Olson conference Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed A little over a week remains for the early-bird reduced pricing for the conference CHARLES OLSON: LANGUAGE AS PHYSICAL FACT, sponsored by Chax Press, co-sponsored by the host venue, the University of Arizona Poetry Center. Featuring poets & scholars Anne Waldman, Steve McCaffery, Myung Mi Kim, Cole Swensen, Barbara Henning, Tenney Nathanson. Also featuring the recent film by Henry Ferrini, POLIS IS THIS. And featuring an exhibition of printed works of Olson poems from The Maximus Poems, by Chax Press. All from Oct 10 through Oct 11, 2008, at the UA Poetry Center, in Tucson, Arizona. For more information: The UA Poetry Center newsletter: http://poetrycenter.arizona.edu/ enewsletter/Sept2008/enews0808SeptOlson.shtml The Chax Press Olson pages: http://chax.org/olson.htm Thank you & I hope to see you there! Charles Alexander charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:34:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Fwd: New European Poets (9/23, 6PM) In-Reply-To: <48D04873.9080501@writing.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jessica Lowenthal Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:59 PM Subject: Re: New European Poets (9/23, 6PM) To: jalowent@writing.upenn.edu I hope you'll help share this announcement with colleagues, students, and friends in the area! -Jessica **** Join us at the Writers House on Tuesday, September 23 at 6PM for Writers without Borders: a celebration of NEW EUROPEAN POETS (Graywolf 2008), a new anthology of poetry from every country in Europe. The program will include discussion of this landmark anthology =97 the joys and challenges of translation, the process of selection, the field of European poetry and poetics =97 and selected readings by translator-editors MARELLA FELTRIN-MORRIS, MURAT NEMET-NEJAT, ADAM J. SORKIN, and J.C. TODD. Anthology co-editor WAYNE MILLER will moderate. To find out more, check out the Writers Without Borders website, http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/involved/series/wwb/, or stop by the Writers House soon and pick up an information / poetry packet. WH Staff --------------------------------------- Kelly Writers House presents WRITERS WITHOUT BORDERS: NEW EUROPEAN POETS featuring translator-editors MARELLA FELTRIN-MORRIS (Italian) MURAT NEMET-NEJAT (Turkish) ADAM J. SORKIN (Romanian) J.C. TODD (Latvian) and anthology co-editor WAYNE MILLER Tuesday, 09/23 at 6PM The Writers House | 3805 Locust Walk This event is free & open to the public - no registration required! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting work by poets from across Europe, the NEW EUROPEAN POETS anthology enlisted twenty-four regional editors to select and translate 290 poets, whose writing was first published after 1970. These poets represent every country in Europe, and many of them are published here for the first time in English or in the United States. The resulting anthology collects some of the very best work of a new generation of poets who have come of ag= e since Paul Celan, Anna Akhmatova, Federico Garcia Lorca, Eugenio Montale, and Czeslaw Milosz. The WRITERS WITHOUT BORDERS series is supported by Penn alumnus Seth Ginns (C'00) and by the Office of the Provost. The series will -- in Provost Daniels' words -- "bring together Penn's vital commitment to global engagement with the activism and inspiration of some of the world's most compelling writers." MARELLA FELTRIN-MORRIS is Assistant Professor of Italian at Ithaca College, specializing in late nineteenth-century and twentieth-century Italian Literature and translation. Poet, translator and essayist, MURAT NEMET-NEJAT has translated the work of a number of modern and contemporary Turkish poets. He is currently working on translation of work by the Turkish poet Seyhan Eroz=E7elik, whic= h will be published by Talisman House in 2008. ADAM J. SORKIN has published more than thirty books of translation and placed the work of over 150 Romanian writers in 350 periodicals and reviews in North America, Europe, Asia and Australia. Poet and translator J.C. TODD, who is a visiting lecturer in Creative Writing at Bryn Mawr, served as contributing editor for "The Drunken Boat" from 2001-2007, editing features on Eastern European contemporary poetry in translation: Lithuania, Latvia, Slovenia. WAYNE MILLER, co-editor of the New European Poets anthology, is the author of two books of poems, The Book of Props and Only the Senses Sleep, as well as translator of Moikom Zeqo's I Don't Believe in Ghosts. He teaches at the University of Central Missouri, where he co-edits Pleiades: A Journal of Ne= w Writing. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:12:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: in Bernard-Henri Levy's EXACT words MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable brother Levy made a talk show appearance in d.c. recently. promoting his la= test book. Here's something recent from "American Vertigo." Levy is attempt= ing something big. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:25:55 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sam Ladkin Subject: CFP for VFT In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Forwarded on behalf of Sara Crangle (S.Crangle@sussex.ac.uk) and Sophie Read (scnr2@cam.ac.uk). [Apologies for cross-posting] "Veronica Forrest-Thomson: Larking up Kicks" A Call for Papers "[O]ne of the misfortunes of the lack of attention being paid to English poetry of this century is the obscurity of Veronica Forrest-Thomson, a poet who died in 1975 at the age of 27." So stated Brian Kim-Stefans in July 2001. In 2002, literary critic Suzanne Raitt expressed the hope that Forrest-Thomson's unknown status would be mitigated by a compilation of her poetry in the nineties and a recent monograph by Alison Mark. This symposium emerges on the heels of another updated version of Forrest-Thomson's poetry, namely Veronica Forrest-Thomson: Collected Poems (ed. Anthony Barnett, published by Shearsman Books and Allardyce, Barnett, 2008). Veronica Forrest-Thomson wrote three poetry collections: _Identi-kit_ (1967) _Language Games_ (1971), and _On the Periphery_ (1976). She was also a literary theorist and critic who authored _Poetic Artifice: A Theory of Twentieth-Century Poetry_ (1978). Her work is witty, philosophical, and occasionally, deliberately, badly rhymed. It is also worthy of more consideration. Christ's College, Cambridge and the Centre for Modernist Studies at the University of Sussex intend to co-host a day-long symposium dedicated to the work of Veronica Forrest-Thomson. It will be held on Saturday, January 17th, 2008 at Cambridge, and will involve panels comprised of 15-minute papers and a longer, seminar-style finale of very short close readings of individual Forrest-Thomson poems. Our intent is to foster an informed and comfortable dialogue about Forrest-Thomson, and contemplate ways of approaching her work. As such, we welcome papers on any facet of Forrest-Thomson's poetry and criticism. Proposals of no more than 250 words should be sent to both Sara Crangle (S.Crangle@sussex.ac.uk) and Sophie Read (scnr2@cam.ac.uk). ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:16:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: HAIR vs. Living Theater MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Living Theater vs. HAIR. Improbable comparisons? Not really. First I want to say that the benefit for the Living Theater at Joes Pub,Revolutionary Acts, was a sold out affair. All the performers were basically cabaret and musical folk and though some carried anarchistic messages in their somewhat funny and theatrical performances their styles as with the style of HAIR were completely antithetical to what the Living Theater stands for, though it ended with Judith Malina reading some of her poetry. But its the similarities between Hair and the Living Theater that I want to deal with, the spirit of counter culture rebellion and the messages that both HAIR and the Living Theater have to offer us. Though the one (L.T.) is intellectual, high art and the other (HAIR) almost an anti-intellectual, popular musical ( fundamental difference being the use of song as vehicle), they both gives us ensemble players that offer up an anarchistic, pro sex, pro drug, anti-war palette with other parallels such as nudity, group sex and the pitfalls of so called democratic (actually oligarchic),organized if somewhat fascistic government. The authors of HAIR, like the principals of the Living Theater, come from the experimental roots of theatre. In HAIR one can see/feel parallel moments to such Living Theater productions as Mysteries and Paradise Now. Also throughout HAIR, as with most Living Theater productions the audience is constantly being engaged. Though both are concerned with the way folks react to the material presented and how that material relates back to the audience and are both willfully, as with most good art that is not made for its own sake, interested in the activity as well as its result there is one major difference, aside from the festive catchy pop/rock atmosphere of HAIR. In the production of HAIR at Shakespeare in the Park the character who gets drafted and sent to Vietnam (the draft being one of the only differences between war then and now) dies and is laid out on an American flag toward the back of the stage. The cast immediately gathers starts singing Let the Sun Shine In and encourages the audience to sing and dance along. The victim is completely upstaged, in fact almost blotted out, forgotten. If this were a Living Theater production, say, as with the end of Mysteries, we would be left with that dead body to think about and not good hearted optimistic merriment. Yet, though many of their processes differ many of their approaches are the same and its very interesting to watch them unfold and calculate where, at certain points structure and content of both ideas become identical. I prefer the Living Theaters approach, though a good song and dance never hurt anyone. I can say however that despite its happier moments HAIR might just be the one of most anti-war, counter-culture plays to come along and one that finds itself wrapped up nicely in a perfect pop culture package and tied off neatly with a yellow ribbon. This fall look for HAIR on Broadway and the new Living Theater production of Eureka, the late Hanon Resnikoffs adaptation of Poes epic poem. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:37:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: James Sanders Subject: Re: spam is speech Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I haven't been keeping up with the case Lori but the 1st Amendment covers= almost all forms of expression even commercial ones (though commercial on= es enjoy lesser protection). Given your interests, you may be interested in = the fact that source code is protected as speech, even though the nature of source code is such that it has a low (arguably) social utility but a hig= h functional one (ultraperformative in an Austinian sense?). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States. James On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:04:09 -0600, Lori Emerson = wrote: >Hi - has anyone been keeping up the ruling in Virginia that that the >state's "anti-spam law violates free speech protections under the >First Amendment"? This seems so strange and poetic to me - that bulk >email, not even the content of the email, is speech. Any thoughts? > >Lori > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Associated Press >September 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM EDT >RICHMOND, Va. =97 The Virginia Supreme Court has declared the state's >anti-spam law unconstitutional. > >The unanimous ruling Friday reversed the conviction of a man once >considered one of the world's most prolific spammers. The court agreed >with Jeremy Jaynes' claim that the anti-spam law violates free speech >protections under the First Amendment. In 2004, Jaynes became the >first person in the country to be convicted of a felony for sending >unsolicited bulk e-mail. Authorities claimed Jaynes sent up to 10 >million e-mails a day from his home in Raleigh, N.C. He was sentenced >to nine years in prison. >Jaynes was charged in Virginia because the e-mails went through an AOL >server there. > >-- >Lori Emerson >Assistant Professor >Department of English >University of Colorado at Boulder >Hellems 101, 226 UCB >Boulder, CO 80309-0226 >http://www.colorado.edu/English/faculty/facpages/emerson.shtml > >"For days and weeks on end one racks one's brains to no avail and, if >asked, one could not say whether one goes on writing purely out of >habit, or a craving for admiration, or because one knows not how to do >anything other, or out of sheer wonderment, despair or outrage, any >more than one could say whether writing renders one more perceptive or >more insane." >-- W.G. Sebald > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:52:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: poet hire: Illinois State University - Experimental and/or Oral Poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline fyi The Department of English at Illinois State University ( http://www.english.ilstu.edu/) seeks a Creative Writing, Poetry, tenure-track, assistant professor: Given our Ph.D. in English Studies, and our recent Ph.D. with emphasis in Creative Writing, we seek candidates prepared to work in a Department that stresses the relationships among literatures, linguistics, rhetoric and pedagogies. We encourage candidates with expertise in experimental poetics and/or oral poetics. Requirements to be met by appointment date: 1) terminal degree, 2) dissertation and/or publications in the field, and 3) demonstrated commitment to publishing and teaching. Position start date: August 16, 2009. To assure full consideration, please send letter, vita, and complete dossier by November 3, 2008 to: Joan Mullin, Chair, Department of English, Campus Box 4240, Normal, Illinois 61790-4240 or email attachments to Angela Scott at arscott@ilstu.edu, subject line: Creative Writing Search. Applications acknowledged. Interviews conducted at MLA. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:53:08 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Joseph F. Keppler from 'The First Remainder Series' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From 'The First Remainder Series' Joseph F. Keppler http://vispo.com/guests/keppler This is the first of what I hope will be several projects on vispo.com involving the work of Joe Keppler. We've been friends for twenty years. Reading his work, for me, is full of the same sense of discovery and excitement you feel when you talk with him. I've never met anyone else as acute as he is when you look at art together. And that critical scope and fresh perceptivity is part of how he greets life as well as art. Joe publishes Poets.Painters.Composers.Critics.Sculptors.Slaves. from Seattle. He has been publishing this poly-artistic project since the 80's. Some issues are printed. Others are in sound, sculpture, posters, and other media. The visual poems published on vispo.com are by Joe from a 2007 issue called "the first remainder series" which also included work by fifteen other artists. Of the series, Joe says: "In the spirit of St. Vincent de Paul’s, Goodwill’s, and Salvation Army’s thrift-store poetics and aesthetics, Poets.Painters. Composers.Critics. Sculptors.Slaves. announces its first remainder series. The basic idea is to use up our remainder of paper stock for small editions of poetry and art. The paper stock for our first remainder series is in various weights and colors though all of it is letter size (8.5” x 11”, 216mm x 279mm). Printed work will be issued in numbered editions of 25 or less, 40% of which goes to the poet or artist. While they last, these ordinary prints will be available for $6 a copy, which doesn’t include postage and handling, or $7, which does, payable to Poets.Painters. Composers.Critics.Sculptors.Slaves. 10254 35th Avenue SW, Seattle, WA 98146 USA. Of course the artist is free to sign and price his or her portion differently. Another of the project’s reasons for being has been to catch the differences between print and electronic media, and a working title for the project could have been, to paraphrase an important Walter Benjamin title, “The Work of Reproduction in an Age of Technological Art.” Most of the electronic, pdf versions of the First Remainder Series are extant and available via email. Some actual, numbered prints are still obtainable from the artists or from Seattle’s Wessel & Lieberman Books." Of his own work in this series, Joe says: "We fold. That is, we crease. We crease & increase, six new folds for ppccss's first remainder series. Differences among arts and technologies make actual creases in the print editions and simulated creases in the pdf files. In either case folding, a philosophical, sculptural, genetic, and poker activity, unfolds a metaphoric, heterogeneous poetics. Also, here's an assembly simply entitled, "ODE." It consists of four corner brackets pasted to a stiff sheet with a small “o” printed on it. The numbered print edition has metal brackets and the pdf simulated brackets." The 'folding' dimension of these pieces is typically interesting and humorous. The first remainder series with lots of folding. Which you'd like in a remainder series, surely. The whole thing is folding in a poetics of (graceful) collapse. That may rise with folding of a different sort. But you don't need to know the fold motif to appreciate this little suite. COUPLET, for instance: a couplet is a pair of lines; Joe has them intersecting. Very simple. A totally minimal visual poem that relates the lterary and the visual. It's so visually simple it's startling. TERZA RIMA alludes to a verse form where the stanza is three lines long and the first and third lines rhyme. And the second line rhymes with the first and third of the next terza rima stanza. Here again we have a visual correlative of a literary form. In Joe's piece, the first and third line are the same; and all three lines have shading that can either look bookish or be of shades of rhyme, those fields of linguistic energy. Joe's work does not acquiesce to the typical page. It's different and unexpected. Fresh. Probing. Literary, visual, and spatial at once. ja http://vispo.com/guests/keppler ps: there's a radio show i did on joe's work back in 1988 at http://vispo.com/audio/index.html#rad ; also, we collaborated on this image: http://vispo.com/E/Rwanda.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:05:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: John Smith Subject: Fwd: New European Poets (9/23, 6PM) In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0809171534n71791fe5qcbfc239c476fcf73@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I only lurk on this list for the most part, but regardless of whether you can attend the event, I would highly recommend *New European Poets*, which = I have now read twice and has given me the mental space to write a couple of poems I would not have otherwise considered. J.D. Smith www.jdsmithwriter.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:34 PM Subject: Fwd: New European Poets (9/23, 6PM) To: POETICS@listserv.buffalo.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jessica Lowenthal Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:59 PM Subject: Re: New European Poets (9/23, 6PM) To: jalowent@writing.upenn.edu I hope you'll help share this announcement with colleagues, students, and friends in the area! -Jessica **** Join us at the Writers House on Tuesday, September 23 at 6PM for Writers without Borders: a celebration of NEW EUROPEAN POETS (Graywolf 2008), a new anthology of poetry from every country in Europe. The program will include discussion of this landmark anthology =97 the joys and challenges of translation, the process of selection, the field of European poetry and poetics =97 and selected readings by translator-editors MARELLA FELTRIN-MORRIS, MURAT NEMET-NEJAT, ADAM J. SORKIN, and J.C. TODD. Anthology co-editor WAYNE MILLER will moderate. To find out more, check out the Writers Without Borders website, http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/involved/series/wwb/, or stop by the Writers House soon and pick up an information / poetry packet. WH Staff --------------------------------------- Kelly Writers House presents WRITERS WITHOUT BORDERS: NEW EUROPEAN POETS featuring translator-editors MARELLA FELTRIN-MORRIS (Italian) MURAT NEMET-NEJAT (Turkish) ADAM J. SORKIN (Romanian) J.C. TODD (Latvian) and anthology co-editor WAYNE MILLER Tuesday, 09/23 at 6PM The Writers House | 3805 Locust Walk This event is free & open to the public - no registration required! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting work by poets from across Europe, the NEW EUROPEAN POETS anthology enlisted twenty-four regional editors to select and translate 290 poets, whose writing was first published after 1970. These poets represent every country in Europe, and many of them are published here for the first time in English or in the United States. The resulting anthology collects some of the very best work of a new generation of poets who have come of ag= e since Paul Celan, Anna Akhmatova, Federico Garcia Lorca, Eugenio Montale, and Czeslaw Milosz. The WRITERS WITHOUT BORDERS series is supported by Penn alumnus Seth Ginns (C'00) and by the Office of the Provost. The series will -- in Provost Daniels' words -- "bring together Penn's vital commitment to global engagement with the activism and inspiration of some of the world's most compelling writers." MARELLA FELTRIN-MORRIS is Assistant Professor of Italian at Ithaca College, specializing in late nineteenth-century and twentieth-century Italian Literature and translation. Poet, translator and essayist, MURAT NEMET-NEJAT has translated the work of a number of modern and contemporary Turkish poets. He is currently working on translation of work by the Turkish poet Seyhan Eroz=E7elik, whic= h will be published by Talisman House in 2008. ADAM J. SORKIN has published more than thirty books of translation and placed the work of over 150 Romanian writers in 350 periodicals and reviews in North America, Europe, Asia and Australia. Poet and translator J.C. TODD, who is a visiting lecturer in Creative Writing at Bryn Mawr, served as contributing editor for "The Drunken Boat" from 2001-2007, editing features on Eastern European contemporary poetry in translation: Lithuania, Latvia, Slovenia. WAYNE MILLER, co-editor of the New European Poets anthology, is the author of two books of poems, The Book of Props and Only the Senses Sleep, as well as translator of Moikom Zeqo's I Don't Believe in Ghosts. He teaches at the University of Central Missouri, where he co-edits Pleiades: A Journal of Ne= w Writing. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:44:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Julie Strand <25jnuts@GMAIL.COM> Subject: Elizabeth Arnold, Anselm Hollo, and Tom Pickard in Milwaukee-Saturday September 20th 7pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Elizabeth Arnold, Anselm Hollo, and Tom Pickard in Milwaukee-Saturday September 20th 7pm $8 general admission /$7 students and seniors / $6 members Featured Reading at WOODLAND PATTERN BOOK CENTER 720 E. Locust St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 Just off highway 43 Come to this great event that will take place amongst the artwork of Jane Dalrymple-Hollo & Anselm Hollo! Elizabeth Arnold grew up in northeast Florida and attended Oberlin College, the University of Chicago, and the MFA Program for Writers at Warren Wilson College. She is the author of two books of poems, Civilization (Flood Editions, 2006) and The Reef (University of Chicago, 1999). She now teaches at the University of Maryland and Warren Wilson College. She lives outside Washington, D.C. Anselm Hollo, poet and literary translator, is a Professor in the Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado. His most recent books are Notes on the Possibilities and Attractions of Existence: Selected Poems 1965-2000 (Coffee House Press) which won the San Francisco Poetry Center's Best Book Award for 2001, and Guests of Space, also from Coffee House Press 2007. Hollo's translations from Finnish, Swedish, German and French include works by Paavo Haavikko, Pentti Saarikoski, Gunnar Harding, Bertolt Brecht, Blaise Cendrars and others. Tom Pickard lives at the edge of Fiend's Fell in the North Penine Hills on the English-Scottish border. He is the author of ten books of poetry and prose, including The Dark Months of May (Flood Editions, 2004) and Ballad of Jamie Allan (Flood Editions, 2007). A finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award, Ballad of Jamie Allan was written as a libretto for the composer John Harle and performed at the Sage Gateshead in Durham, England (and recently released as a CD). It concerns an eighteenth-century gypsy musician who died in Durham jail where he was serving a life sentence for stealing a horse at the age of seventy. His reputation as a great musician was matched by his reputation as an outlaw, or to quote Walter Scott, "a desperate reprobate." "Pickard's erotic lyrics have a terrific economy, swiftness and obscene (and alas unquotable) directness, conjuring remembered sex, shared blankets, beds, knives and regret." - Maureen McLane, Chicago Tribune ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:53:43 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: OT -- Bitch update Comments: To: Women's Poetry Listserve , "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From their website: We're thrilled to announce that in just three short days, you've rallied together and propelled us beyond our $40,000 fundraising goal. In fact, by the time we looked up from our computers, you'd already donated $46,000! On top of that, you've spread the word far and wide, and offered powerful and inspiring words of support. This tremendous and swift outpouring has been honoring and humbling=97particularly because you've offered it during the worst days the U.S. economy has seen this year. Thank you. We're deeply grateful. Please help us keep the momentum going and continue donating and offering y= our feedback and ideas. We know many of you have ideas and concerns about Bitch's future and sustainability, and we're grateful for the critical feedback and ideas you've offered so far. We're listening. And we assure you we're hard at work on a sustainable vision, based on your feedback (and we're at work on a survey to help facilitate this process). We've also discovered through this process that many of you weren't aware that Bitch is a nonprofit organization, and that we rely on your ongoing financial support to continue our work. One of the advantages of being a nonprofit means that the money we raise above and beyond our fundraising goals simply goes back into the organization to secure our future and help us launch new projects and new ways of fulfilling our mission. So please, if you haven't already, we ask that you consider the value of the work we do and join this historic effort to secure the future of a critical voice in independent media and feminism. We're in this together.=20 Keep Winnie the wiener dog growing! Give input on our direction, and spread= the word! On behalf of the staff and board here at Bitch, we offer our deepest thanks and appreciation. We're thrilled to be demonstrating the incredible power of community-supported publishing with you. http://bitchmagazine.org/post/weve-made-history-together#comment-926 _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:32:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project September In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, The entire staff of The Poetry Project will be taking a trip to Boog City this weekend. We will return refreshed and ready for our first full week of readings this poetry season. Maybe we=E2=80=99ll see you here? Monday, September 22, 8 PM Marcella Durand & Toma=C5=BE =C5=A0alamun Marcella Durand is the author of two books of poetry just out this fall: Area from Belladonna and Traffic & Weather from Futurepoem. Durand's other publications include The Anatomy of Oil, Western Capital Rhapsodies, City o= f Ports, and Lapsus Linguae. Her poems and essays on the intersections of poetry with ecology, architecture, and art have appeared in Conjunctions, NYFA Current, Ecopoetics, 26, Chain, and other journals. Currently, she has been working on a translation of Mich=C3=A8le M=C3=A9tail=E2=80=99s book-length work, Les horizons du sol/Earth=E2=80=99s Horizons, a history of the geological formation o= f Marseille written within an Oulipian formal constraint. She has lived in NY= C more or less since she was small, with interludes in Boston, New Orleans, Cork, Ireland, and Paris, France. She currently lives in the East Village with her husband Richard O=E2=80=99Russa and son Ismael Toussaint Durand O=E2=80=99Russ= a. Toma=C5=BE =C5=A0alamun is widely recognized as one of the leading Central European poets and has had books translated into most of the European languages. He lives in Ljubljana, Slovenia and occasionally teaches in the USA, where he was also a Fulbright Fellow at Columbia University, a member of International Writing Program at Iowa and a Cultural Attach=C3=A9 at the Consulate General of Slovenia in New York. In Spring 2008 he was appointed as Visiting Professor in Creative Writing and Distinguished Writer in Residence by the University of Richmond. His many prizes include European Prize for Poetry by German town M=C3=BCnster in 2007. He is a member of the Slovenian Academy of Science and Art. His recent books translated into English are Poker, Blackboards, The Book For My Brother, Row and Woods and Chalices. *This event was funded in part by Poets & Writers, Inc. through public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs. Wednesday, September 24, 8 PM Brendan Lorber & Gillian McCain Rakish adventurer Brendan Lorber spends his days and nights flying small 1970=E2=80=99s-era airplanes, rebuilding a ramshackle Revolutionary War-era Brook= lyn farmhouse, and allowing his newborn daughter Aurora to redefine the very nature of time and endurance. He is not the real father of several other poet-babies born this past year despite the striking array of traits they appear to have inherited from him, traits like immaturity, impatience, mild colic and tiny bladders. During his recent stint as Editor of The Poetry Project Newsletter Lorber did his best to destroy the Newsletter, the Poetr= y Project, all poetry forever, and you. He ran the Zinc Talk Reading Series for ten freewheeling years. He continues to edit LUNGFULL! Magazine, the horribly-named journal that prints people=E2=80=99s rough drafts in addition to t= he final versions so you can see the process from beginning to end. Lorber is the author of several chapbooks, among them The Address Book, Dash, Your Secret and Corvid Aurora. His work has appeared in countless journals and anthologies in several languages around the world. He has lectured and taught workshops on writing and participatory economics throughout the country but always returns to his Brooklyn home slung between an old power plant and a much older 500-acre necropolis. Gillian McCain is the author of two books of poetry: Tilt and Religion, and is the co-author (with Legs McNeil) of Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk (Grove press), which has been translated into ten languages. After ten years of being "in development" she and McNeil decided that they would rather see Please Kill Me go back to being a tee-shirt than become a Hollywood movie. They are currently filling t-shirt orders and working on a new oral history= . McCain is also collaborating with David Trinidad and Jeffery Conway on Descent of the Dolls, a book-length poem inspired by Valley of the Dolls (the movie) and the Inferno (the book). She is also putting together a manuscript of poems that have been compiling for the past ten years. Friday, September 26, 10 PM 26 Slovene Poetry: Cucnik, Pepelnik, Podlogar, =C5=A0alamun, Skrjanec A book-release celebration with the participation of the following visiting poets from Slovenia: Primoz Cucnik, Ana Pepelnik, Gregor Podlogar, Toma=C5=BE =C5=A0alamun and Tone Skrjanec. A book signing for the second editions of Toma=C5= =BE =C5=A0alamun=E2=80=99s Poker and Tone Skrjanec's Sun On A Knee. A special chapbook featuring the work of all five poets in English translation comes free with admission. *This event, a collaboration between Ugly Duckling Presse (Brooklyn) and Literatura Magazine (Ljubljana), kicks off a whole weekend o= f Slovene poetry in New York City. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=E2=80=99d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a li= ne at info@poetryproject.com. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:07:16 +0100 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geraldine Monk Subject: U.S tour/Ghost & Other Sonnets. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be bringing over some copies of my hot-off-the-press Ghost & Other = Sonnets in the Autumn/Fall on our U.S. tour but only what I can carry = which is very limited. (See below for book details). If you'd like me = to earmark you a copy please B/C and let me know where you are so I can = keep one for you. You can order them from England from either Salt or = West House (please do!) but this way you can save on P+P. Alan Halsey and I will hopefully be seeing some of you at the following = places from October 28th onwards...=20 The universities of Buffalo, Chicago, Miami (Ohio), Orono (Maine). Poetry venues in Baltimore, Washington, Boston and = Wendell. Full details later.=20 Here's details of the book:=20 Ghost & Other Sonnets - =20 Take a peek if you dare: http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/9781844714933.htm You can order from Salt for =A310.39 or order a signed copy from me for = =A311.00 (U.K. p+p included). Cheers, Geraldine =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:32:54 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Gloria Mindock Subject: New Cervena Barva Press Publication MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cervena Barva Press is pleased to announce the publication of "Investigations: The Mystery Of The Girl Sleuth" by Kathleen Aguero Kathleen Aguero's books of poetry include, Daughter Of (Cedar Hill Books), The Real Weather (Hanging Loose Press), and Thirsty Day (Alice James Books). She has edited three volumes of multicultural literature published by the Univiersity of Georgia Press and has an essay in the anthology, Why I'm Still Married. The recipient of grants from the Massachusetts Council on the Arts and the Elgin Cox Foundation, she is a Professor of English at Pine Manor College in Chestnut Hill, MA, teaching in their low-residency MFA and undergraduate programs. Order online: http://www.thelostbookshelf.com/index.html#September18th Order by Mail: Investigations: The Mystery Of The Girl Sleuth by Kathleen Aguero $7.00 + $3.00 S/H 34 pages, paper Publication Date: September 2008 For information contact: Gloria Mindock Cervena Barva Press, Somerville, MA Email: editor@cervenabarvapress.com Send me______copies of "Investigations: The Mystery Of The Girl Sleuth" Total enclosed: $________ Name____________________________________________________________________ Street____________________________________________________________________ City___________________________State________________Zip____________________ e-mail_________________________________Phone_____________________________ Thank you. Gloria Mindock, editor & Publisher editor@cervenabarvapress.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:34:47 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Race and Poetry Comments: To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This Sunday -- http://amyking.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/race-and-poetry.pdf _______ Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:36:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Debate on the Limits of Intelligent Machines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/forum.php?lecture_id=3286 Public Debate on the Limits of Intelligent Machines David Gelernter Ray Kurzweil, inventor, writer Rodney Brooks, moderator A Celebration of the 70th Anniversary of Alan Turing's Seminal Paper "On Computable Numbers" featuring a debate on the limits of intelligent machines and a lecture on Turing's contributions. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:17:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Vijay Pattisapu Subject: Re: spam is speech In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda0809150704o211e58c8h8afdfc69e22e05e0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline SGkgTG9yaSwKClRoZSBndXkgd2FzIGp1c3QgZ3JhbmRmYXRoZXJlZCBpbiwgYW5kIHNwYW1tZXJz IGNhbiBzdGlsbCBnbyB0byBqYWlsLgoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jaXJjbGVpZC5jb20vcG9zdHMvODkx NjExX3ZpcmdpbmlhX2FudGlfc3BhbV9sYXdfc3RydWNrX2Rvd24vCgpUaGF0IHNhaWQsIENBTi1T UEFNIGRvZXNuJ3QgaGF2ZSB0b28gbWFueSB0ZWV0aDsgaXQncyBhbG1vc3QgYXMgaWYgaXQKZ2l2 ZXMgZ3VpZGVsaW5lcyBmb3Igc3BhbW1pbmcgZWZmZWN0aXZlbHkgcmF0aGVyIHRoYW4gcHJldmVu dGluZyB2ZXJ5Cm11Y2ggc3BhbS4KCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20vd2F0Y2g/dj1hbnd5 Mk1QVDVSRQoKVmlqYXkKCgoyMDA4LzkvMTUgTG9yaSBFbWVyc29uIDxsb3JpLmVtZXJzb25AZ21h aWwuY29tPjoKPiBIaSAtIGhhcyBhbnlvbmUgYmVlbiBrZWVwaW5nIHVwIHRoZSBydWxpbmcgaW4g VmlyZ2luaWEgdGhhdCB0aGF0IHRoZQo+IHN0YXRlJ3MgImFudGktc3BhbSBsYXcgdmlvbGF0ZXMg ZnJlZSBzcGVlY2ggcHJvdGVjdGlvbnMgdW5kZXIgdGhlCj4gRmlyc3QgQW1lbmRtZW50Ij8gVGhp cyBzZWVtcyBzbyBzdHJhbmdlIGFuZCBwb2V0aWMgdG8gbWUgLSB0aGF0IGJ1bGsKPiBlbWFpbCwg bm90IGV2ZW4gdGhlIGNvbnRlbnQgb2YgdGhlIGVtYWlsLCBpcyBzcGVlY2guIEFueSB0aG91Z2h0 cz8KPgo+IExvcmkKPgo+Cj4gPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KPiBUaGUgQXNzb2NpYXRlZCBQcmVz cwo+IFNlcHRlbWJlciAxMiwgMjAwOCBhdCAxMTozNCBBTSBFRFQKPiBSSUNITU9ORCwgVmEuIOKA lCBUaGUgVmlyZ2luaWEgU3VwcmVtZSBDb3VydCBoYXMgZGVjbGFyZWQgdGhlIHN0YXRlJ3MKPiBh bnRpLXNwYW0gbGF3IHVuY29uc3RpdHV0aW9uYWwuCj4KPiBUaGUgdW5hbmltb3VzIHJ1bGluZyBG cmlkYXkgcmV2ZXJzZWQgdGhlIGNvbnZpY3Rpb24gb2YgYSBtYW4gb25jZQo+IGNvbnNpZGVyZWQg b25lIG9mIHRoZSB3b3JsZCdzIG1vc3QgcHJvbGlmaWMgc3BhbW1lcnMuIFRoZSBjb3VydCBhZ3Jl ZWQKPiB3aXRoIEplcmVteSBKYXluZXMnIGNsYWltIHRoYXQgdGhlIGFudGktc3BhbSBsYXcgdmlv bGF0ZXMgZnJlZSBzcGVlY2gKPiBwcm90ZWN0aW9ucyB1bmRlciB0aGUgRmlyc3QgQW1lbmRtZW50 LiBJbiAyMDA0LCBKYXluZXMgYmVjYW1lIHRoZQo+IGZpcnN0IHBlcnNvbiBpbiB0aGUgY291bnRy eSB0byBiZSBjb252aWN0ZWQgb2YgYSBmZWxvbnkgZm9yIHNlbmRpbmcKPiB1bnNvbGljaXRlZCBi dWxrIGUtbWFpbC4gQXV0aG9yaXRpZXMgY2xhaW1lZCBKYXluZXMgc2VudCB1cCB0byAxMAo+IG1p bGxpb24gZS1tYWlscyBhIGRheSBmcm9tIGhpcyBob21lIGluIFJhbGVpZ2gsIE4uQy4gSGUgd2Fz IHNlbnRlbmNlZAo+IHRvIG5pbmUgeWVhcnMgaW4gcHJpc29uLgo+IEpheW5lcyB3YXMgY2hhcmdl ZCBpbiBWaXJnaW5pYSBiZWNhdXNlIHRoZSBlLW1haWxzIHdlbnQgdGhyb3VnaCBhbiBBT0wKPiBz ZXJ2ZXIgdGhlcmUuCj4KPiAtLQo+IExvcmkgRW1lcnNvbgo+IEFzc2lzdGFudCBQcm9mZXNzb3IK PiBEZXBhcnRtZW50IG9mIEVuZ2xpc2gKPiBVbml2ZXJzaXR5IG9mIENvbG9yYWRvIGF0IEJvdWxk ZXIKPiBIZWxsZW1zIDEwMSwgMjI2IFVDQgo+IEJvdWxkZXIsIENPIDgwMzA5LTAyMjYKPiBodHRw Oi8vd3d3LmNvbG9yYWRvLmVkdS9FbmdsaXNoL2ZhY3VsdHkvZmFjcGFnZXMvZW1lcnNvbi5zaHRt bAo+Cj4gIkZvciBkYXlzIGFuZCB3ZWVrcyBvbiBlbmQgb25lIHJhY2tzIG9uZSdzIGJyYWlucyB0 byBubyBhdmFpbCBhbmQsIGlmCj4gYXNrZWQsIG9uZSBjb3VsZCBub3Qgc2F5IHdoZXRoZXIgb25l IGdvZXMgb24gd3JpdGluZyBwdXJlbHkgb3V0IG9mCj4gaGFiaXQsIG9yIGEgY3JhdmluZyBmb3Ig YWRtaXJhdGlvbiwgb3IgYmVjYXVzZSBvbmUga25vd3Mgbm90IGhvdyB0byBkbwo+IGFueXRoaW5n IG90aGVyLCBvciBvdXQgb2Ygc2hlZXIgd29uZGVybWVudCwgZGVzcGFpciBvciBvdXRyYWdlLCBh bnkKPiBtb3JlIHRoYW4gb25lIGNvdWxkIHNheSB3aGV0aGVyIHdyaXRpbmcgcmVuZGVycyBvbmUg bW9yZSBwZXJjZXB0aXZlIG9yCj4gbW9yZSBpbnNhbmUuIgo+IC0tIFcuRy4gU2ViYWxkCj4KPiA9 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cj4gVGhlIFBvZXRpY3MgTGlzdCBpcyBt b2RlcmF0ZWQgJiBkb2VzIG5vdCBhY2NlcHQgYWxsIHBvc3RzLiBDaGVjayBndWlkZWxpbmVzICYg c3ViL3Vuc3ViIGluZm86IGh0dHA6Ly9lcGMuYnVmZmFsby5lZHUvcG9ldGljcy93ZWxjb21lLmh0 bWwKPgo= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:13:42 -0700 Reply-To: ndm_g@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andy Gricevich Subject: Philadelphia: a very unusual treatment of "King Lear" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, all! The Nonsense Company, the theater group I work with here in Madison, WI, will be one of five companies to put on what promises to be an extremely interesting version of "King Lear" in Philadelphia next weekend. Each company takes one act of the play and does what they will with it, the only stipulations being that the basic plot information is preserved and that the audience is served a dessert item by each act. The audience meets at a trolley stop, wearing red carnations, and are led to the building, where the play takes place in five different spaces. We don't know what the other groups are doing, but our take on Act III is pretty strange. There's more information about it at http://www.puppetuprising.org and about us at http://nonsensecompany.com. cheers, Andy ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:14:09 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: fun alphabet pop-up book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4sesd_popup-by-marion-bataille_creation =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:07:57 -0700 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: University of Colorado Denver MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) Assistant Professor in Creative Writing =E2=80=93 Poetry Position # 600496 Pending budgetary approval, the English department at the University of Colorado Denver seeks applications for a tenure-track position in creati= ve writing, specialization in poetry. Applicants need present a record of = publication demonstrating achievement and promise. An MFA or PhD in Creative Writing is required. The applicant should have a de= monstrated interest in teaching Creative Writing in a growing undergraduate= program and expertise or interest in assisting students with production an= d publication of our literary journal, the Copper Nickel.=20 Teaching load 2/2 per semester. Salary competitive and commensurate with experience. Please submit cover letter, CV, and 10 pp writing sample onlin= e at http://www.jobsatcu.com. The University of Colorado is committed to d= iversity and equality in education and employment. As one of three institut= ions within the University of Colorado system, UCD is located in downtown D= enver and seeks to meet the needs of a diverse population through its curriculum, research and community service activities.=20 Initial screening of applications will commence on October 1st, 2008 and co= ntinue until position is filled. For specific questions about the position= you may contact the search committee chair, Dr. Jake York at Jake.York(at)ucdenver.edu (replace (at) with @). =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:09:47 -0700 Reply-To: steph484@pacbell.net Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Political Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0"Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation." John McCain - Contingencies (Magazine) Date?=20 Priceless Obama campaign discovery - shear poetry of a double-edged sort.= =A0 Only major complication is that Obama is going to have to inherit this = mess! It must be now a foregone conclusion that George Bush is the most cat= astrophic President of this country, ever! Sarah Palin =3D=A0 the ultimate = footnote to the whole debacle. As to the site of 'real' poetry in the middle of this disaster??=20 Well, of the most recent moment,=A0 Anselm Berrigan read at the Small Press= Traffic last night here in San Francisco - that was full of two bladed lin= es that cut to the collapsing core. & not without the relief of some bitter= -sweet humor. Thank you, Anselm! Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:59:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jim Andrews Subject: Ray Kurzweil videos...and videos more generally MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here are some interesting videos with Ray Kurzweil: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ray+kurzweil He's the author of the book 'The Age of Spiritual Machines'. On a different but related note, it's fascinating to note how we're starting to get access over the Web to better educational video material. If you go to and search for "Kurt Gödel" or "Paul Cohen" or "Alan Turing", for instance, you get some really juicy videos. Videos that provide a relatively easy entry point to material that can occupy a life in really learning it well and more deeply. But the videos get you over the first, often very intimidating, point of entry. Perfect for introductory courses. Not as a replacement for the way books handle the material. Not by a long shot. But rich and approachable videos. And on another related note, this availability via search engines of images, videos, sound, texts, and so on, is really tantalizing for net artists. That's part of what my dbCinema graphic synthesizer is dealing with ( http://vispo.com/dbcinema/meditations.htm ). ja http://vispo.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:06:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: Political Poetry In-Reply-To: <815064.67729.qm@web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Stephen-- The quote is from the Sept/Oct issue of the journal: below is the reference= in full=2C with the blog entry which it was in by Paul Krugman=2C and the = link to the original.=20 I saw the film Taxi to the Dark Side the other night. In her great book Th= e Shock Doctrine Naomi Klein links the development of the torture technique= s used since the 1950's with the development of Milton Friedman's Chicago S= chool "Shock Doctrine" economics. Beginning with 9/11 in Chile=2C the "Sho= ck Doctrine" as both torture ane conoics was introduced with the idea that = "free markets" would bring "freedom and democracy." The opposite proved to= be true--increasingly repressive measures have had to be put in place in o= rder to install this form of economics=2C including now in the USA=2C an of= ficial practitioner of torture. As i write in David-Baptiste Chirot: "Waterboarding & Poetry" (Wordforword = #13 Spring 2008)=2C Francois Villon in 15th Century France is the first poe= t of waterboarding=2C "enhanced interrogation=2C" and the scaffolds=3B i co= uld have added that the first famous American poet writing of torture is m= ost likely Poe=2C in "The Pit and the Pendulum." The Americans used waterboarding in the Phillipines during the Spanish-Amer= ican War--the practice was outlawed by President "Teddy" Roosevelt when he = took office in 1902. Clearly=2C the country is traveling backward in time= =2C to those halcyon pre-regulation days of which Gertrude Stein spoke so f= ondly=2C those "robber baron" days pre-labor laws and pre TR. In the Spring=2C Obama advocated the "right War" in Afghanistan and said he= was for launching unilateral attacks from within Pakistan=3B now Bush is = doing just this=2C in what is seen as a reprise of Vietnam and the "Secret = War" within Cambodia. Those were the days that made POW=2C tortured now Pr= esidential hopeful John McCain a "hero" "fit to lead" in "today's world" as= it j0ourneys into the past. Even the Cold War and Walls are springing up = again. =20 A poetry "fraught with irony" abounds . . . Whitman's "Greatest Poem=2C" "t= he poem of these United States" is "fast becoming a nation of lunatics" in = which a Black man running for President supports Apartheid and a "war hero"= chooses as running mate a would be helicopter gunner of wolves who calls t= he Inuit "Arctic Arabs." I was wondering about tracing the aec from the film Taxi Driver (in which T= ravis Bickle=2C played by De Niro=2C is a Vietnam Vet) to Taxi to the Dark = Side . . . in Taxi Driver=2C the views from Travis' cab are of NYC as a Dan= teesque Inferno=2C with the "false" Angel Sybil Shepard and the "Fallen" An= gel Jodie Foster to be saved by the suicide mission of the Taxi Driver "dis= guised" as Vet-"Mohawk." In Taxi to the Dark Side=2C the Dark Side is Chen= ey's vision of "down these means streets a man must go" (Raymond Chandler) = in order to "rescue" Iraq and the Fallen Towers for the Free World=2C Democ= racy and Free Markets. (The man whose diaries and person Taxi Driver is loosely based on=2C Arthur= Bremer=2C was recently released from prison here in Wisconsin. He had sta= lked Nixon unsuccessfully and turned to shooting then Presidential candidat= e George Wallace. Bremer's Diaries were buried on a buff overlooking Lake = Michigan where i often work on rubbeings etc. TR's attempted assassination= occurred here in Milwaukee=2C when he ran as the Bull Moose Candidate in 1= 912. Now we have a moose hunting and eating VP candidate . . .) In Taxi Driver=2C Travis--"I'm God's lonely man"--says--"someday a real rai= n will come---and wash all the scum off the streets . . ." and says that so= meone will finally have "stood up" and acted with "True Force" to bring bac= k Health to the polluted=2C sewage-of-corruption-and-damnation-flowing stre= ets=3B in Taxi to the Dark Side=2C itis no longer the "Lone Assasin" who w= ill set the World to "rights=2C" but the Health bringing scourge of Torture= =2C "Shock and Awe=2C" the destruction of infra-structures and polluting of= lands=2C waters and skies. A weird Poetry of the Apocalypse hangs about=2C a strange pall=2C and "thro= ugh a glass=2C darkly=2C" one sees the Fall of the Berlin Wall succeeded by= so many new Walls that now "Wall Street" is trembling--Wall Street where t= he first "car bomb" (a horse drawn fruit vendor's cart) was exploded (the s= cars still visible on some buildings today) and where the latest "rescue mi= ssion" is being undertaken to "restore Health" to a "sick" (psychotically p= erhaps=2C cancerous=2C certainly--) System. In Whitman's "Specimen Days=2C" so to speak=2C were Slavery=2C the Genocide= and installement of Indians on reservations=2C the Civl War with is concen= tration camps in Andersonville and the North=2C the "scorched earth" tactic= s of Sherman=2C the "real War that will never get written in the books=2C" = an the Era of the Robber Barons. =20 How much=2C how little=2C and what--has changed is what Whitman might see a= s the ongoing "poem of these States=2C" a Poem in which the "Angels of our = Better Nature" battle with those forces of the "Dark Side" of one of the po= ems excluded from Leaves of Grass=2C "Respondez." Beneath the McCain article and quote/citation for you I've post an excerpt = fomr "Respondez" and also one re the role of poetry and poet in such times = from Whitman's (1871) Democratic Vistas. =20 The quote is from the Sept/Oct issue of the journal=2C as cited in Paul Kru= gman's blog=2C "The Conscience of a Liberal" that is posted by the NY Times at: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/mccain-on-banking-and-health/?e= m here is the entry in full: : =09 September 19=2C 2008=2C 7:24 pm =09 =09 McCain on banking and health =09 =09 =09 OK=2C a correspondent directs me to John McCain=92s article=2C Better Heal= th Care at Lower Cost for Every American=2C in the Sept./Oct. issue of Cont= ingencies=2C the magazine of the American Academy of Actuaries. You might w= ant to be seated before reading this. Here=92s what McCain has to say about the wonders of market-based health re= form: Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition=2C as we have done over the last decade in banking=2C would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation. So McCain=2C who now poses as the scourge of Wall Street=2C was praising financial deregulation like 10 seconds ago =97 and promising that if we marketize health care=2C it will perform as well as the financial industry! FROM "RESPONDEZ": Let murderers=2C bigots=2C fools=2C unclean persons=2C offer new propositions! Let the old propositions be postponed! Let faces and theories be turn=92d inside out! Let meanings be freely =20 criminal=2C as well as results! =20 Let there be no suggestion above the suggestion of drudgery! =20 -Let the theory of America still be management=2C caste=2C comparison! (Say! What other theory would you?) . . . Let nothing but copies at second hand be permitted to exist upon the earth! Let the men of These States stand aside for a few smouchers! Let the few seize on what they choose! Let the rest gawk=2C giggle=2C starve=2C obey!= =20 Let books take the place of trees=2C animals=2C rivers=2C clouds! . . .=20 --Walt Whitman=2C =93Respondez!=94 =20 FROM DEMOCRATIC VISTAS: Never was anything more wanted than=2C to-day=2C and here in the States=2C the poet of the modern is wanted . . . At all times=2C perhaps=2C= the central point in any nation=2C and that whence it sways others=2C is its na= tional literature=2C especially its archetypal poems. Above all previous lands=2C = a great original literature is surely to become the justification and reliance=2C (= in some respects the sole reliance) of American democracy . . .=20 =20 I say we had best look our times and lands searchingly in the face=2C like a physician diagnosing some deep disease. Never was there= =2C perhaps=2C more hollowness of heart than at present=2C and here in the United States. Genuine belief see= ms to have left us.=20 The underlying principles of the States are not honestly believ=92d in=2C (for all this hectic glow=2C and these melodramatic scream= ings) nor is humanity itself believ=92d in. What penetrating eye does not everywhere see through the mask? The spectacle is= appalling. We live in an atmosphere of hypocrisy throughout. The men believe not in the women=2C nor the women in the men. A scornful superciliousness rules in literature.=20 The aim of all the litterateurs is to find something to make fun of. A lot of churches=2C sects=2C &c.=2C the most dismal phantoms I now of=2C usu= rp the name of religion. Conversation is a mass of badinage. From deceit in the spirit=2C the mother of all false deeds=2C the offspring is already incalculable. An= acute and candid person=2C in the revenue department in Washington=2C who is led in the course of his employment to regularly visit the cities no= rth=2C south and west=2C to investigate frauds=2C has talk=92d with me much of his discoveries. The depravity of our business class is not less than has been supposed=2C but infinitely greater= . The official services of America=2C national=2C state and municipal=2C in all their branches and departments=2C= except the judiciary=2C are saturated in corruption=2C bribery=2C falsehood=2C mal-administration=3B and the judiciary is tainted. The great cities reek = with respectable as much as non-respectable robbery and scoundrelism.=20 In fashionable life=2C flippancy=2C tepid amours=2C weak infidelism=2C smal= l aims=2C or no aims at all=2C only to kill time.=20 In business=2C (this all-devouring modern word=2C business) the one object alone is pecuniary gain . . . The best class we show is but a mob of fashionably dressed speculators and vulgarians . . . It is as though we wer= e somehow endowed with a vast and more thoroughly appointed body=2C and then = left with little or no soul. ---Walt Whitman=2C Democratic Vistas=2C 1871 =20 > Date: Sat=2C 20 Sep 2008 17:09:47 -0700 > From: steph484@PACBELL.NET > Subject: Political Poetry > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous > nationwide competition=2C as we have done over the last decade in > banking=2C would provide more choices of innovative products less > burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation." > John McCain - Contingencies (Magazine) Date?=20 >=20 > Priceless Obama campaign discovery - shear poetry of a double-edged sort.= Only major complication is that Obama is going to have to inherit this me= ss! It must be now a foregone conclusion that George Bush is the most catas= trophic President of this country=2C ever! Sarah Palin =3D the ultimate fo= otnote to the whole debacle. >=20 > As to the site of 'real' poetry in the middle of this disaster??=20 > Well=2C of the most recent moment=2C Anselm Berrigan read at the Small P= ress Traffic last night here in San Francisco - that was full of two bladed= lines that cut to the collapsing core. & not without the relief of some bi= tter-sweet humor. Thank you=2C Anselm! >=20 > Stephen V > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:54:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: Political Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Two of Obama's main economics advisors, Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson (who resigned back in June due to some of this scandal being brought to light), were former CEOs of Fannie Mae. Raines was even fired from his position at Fannie Mae. And no wonder, since he overstated earnings by 50% during his tenure. Considering the situation they put their company in (and, yes, it was them as well as those in charge during the collapse who are responsible for the collapse), should anybody be taking advice from them about anything regarding the economy? I mean, they did such a bang-up job with Fannie Mae. "Property Records Show Mr. Johnson Has Received More Than $7 Million In Loans From Countrywide Since 1998, The First Coming In The Waning Days Of His Fannie Mae Tenure" (Glenn R. Simpson and James R. Hagerty, "Countrywide Friends Got Good Loans," The Wall Street Journal, 6/7/08). Ironically, those loans seem to have been "subprime." Certainly they were loans made directly by the CEO of Countrywide. Now, does this necessarily mean something sketchy was going on? Of course not. But it seems there's a pretty tangled web involving the mortgage market, its collapse, and Obama (who also received a pretty good deal on a house, as I recall). Countrywide, by the way, has been one of the companies at the center of the mortgage market breakdown. So two of Obama's advisors were involved in creating the very mortgage crisis Obama is trying to use to his political advantage. More, they made millions off of running Fannie Mae into the ground, and have used that money to try to get Obama elected. Did I mention that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were major donors to ACORN, who is currently engaged in voter fraud in Michigan and Ohio (odd how voter fraud is constantly associated with them), and that Obama worked for ACORN? I did? Seems like an interesting -- important? -- connection. But don't worry, that's just one more thing for the MSM to ignore. Troy C amplin ----- Original Message ---- From: Stephen Vincent To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:09:47 PM Subject: Political Poetry "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation." John McCain - Contingencies (Magazine) Date? Priceless Obama campaign discovery - shear poetry of a double-edged sort. Only major complication is that Obama is going to have to inherit this mess! It must be now a foregone conclusion that George Bush is the most catastrophic President of this country, ever! Sarah Palin = the ultimate footnote to the whole debacle. As to the site of 'real' poetry in the middle of this disaster?? Well, of the most recent moment, Anselm Berrigan read at the Small Press Traffic last night here in San Francisco - that was full of two bladed lines that cut to the collapsing core. & not without the relief of some bitter-sweet humor. Thank you, Anselm! Stephen V http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:31:32 -0700 Reply-To: virginia_konchan@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Virginia Konchan Subject: 2008-2009 Cleveland State University Poetry Center Reading Series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Inviting anyone within striking distance of Cleveland to attend Cleveland S= tate University Poetry Center's 2008-2009 Reading Series. Our schedule for = the Fall and Spring includes readings by Olena Kalytiak Davis, Katy Lederer= , Kimberly Johnson, Paisley Rekdal, Richard Siken and Terrance Hayes, among= others.=A0The schedule appears below. =A0 For more information about the readings, our=A0first book poetry contest (j= udged this year by D.A. Powell) or our open book poetry contest (juried thi= s year by Kazim Ali, Mary Biddinger, Michael Dumanis, and Sarah Gridley), o= r any of our titles (upcoming publications include Allison Benis White's Se= lf-Portrait with Crayon, Liz Waldner's Trust, Mathias Svalina's Destruction= Myth, and Allison Titus's Some of Every Lost Ship, please visit www.csuohi= o.edu/poetrycenter, or=A0contact me directly at virginia_konchan@yahoo.com =A0 *=A0 *=A0 *=20 Reading Series: =A0 Tuesday, September 23, 2008:=A0=20 7:30 pm, Fenn Tower Theater (FT 102), 1983 East 24th Street A reading with fiction writers=A0Imad Rahman and Salvatore Scibona=20 =A0 Rahman, who teaches fiction writing at Cleveland State, is the author of th= e short story collection=A0I Dream of Microwaves (FSG, 2003). =A0 Scibona, a native Clevelander, will read from his recently released novel, = The End (Graywolf, 2008). He is currently the Writing Coordinator at the Fi= ne Arts Work Center in Provincetown. =A0 Wednesday, October 1, 2008: 7:30 pm, Fenn Tower Theater (FT 102), 1983 East 24th Street A reading with Olena Kalytiak Davis and Paisley Rekdal =A0 Davis is the author of two collections of poems: shattered sonnets love car= ds and other off and back handed importunities and And Her Soul out of Noth= ing. She lives in Anchorage, AK. =A0 Rekdal is the author of a book of essays, The Night My Mother Met Bruce Lee= , and three books of poetry: A Crash of Rhinos, Six Girls Without Pants and= The Invention of the Kaleidoscope.. She=A0is a professor in the creative w= riting program at=A0The University of Utah. =A0 Wednesday, October 22, 2008: 7:30 pm, Fenn Tower Theater (FT 102), 1983 East 24th Street A reading with James Allen Hall and Richard Siken Hall's first book,=A0Now You're the Enemy, was published by the University = of Arkansas Press in 2008.=A0He=A0teaches creative writing at the State Uni= versity of=A0New York at Potsdam. =A0 Siken=92s poetry collection Crush won the 2004 Yale Series of Younger Poets= prize, a Lambda Literary Award, the Thom Gunn Award, and was a finalist fo= r the National Book Critics Circle Award. He lives in Tucson, AZ. =A0 Wednesday, November 19, 2008: 7:30 pm, Fenn Tower Theater (FT 102), 1983 East 24th Street A reading with Kimberly Johnson and Katy Lederer=20 Kimberly Johnson is the author of the poetry collections Leviathan with a H= ook and A Metaphorical God, both with Persea. Her translation of Virgil's G= eorgics will be released by Penguin Classics in 2009. Johnson teaches Renai= ssance literature and creative writing at Brigham Young University. =A0 Katy Lederer is the author of the poetry collections Winter Sex and The Hea= ven-Sent Leaf, and the memoir Poker Face: A Girlhood Among Gamblers. Ledere= r serves as a Poetry Editor of Fence Magazine. =A0 Thursday, November 20, 2008: 3:00 pm, University Library 502 (RT 502), 1860 East 22nd Street A talk by Kimberly Johnson on =93Sex and God in Renaissance Literature.=94 =A0 Thursday, February 26, 2009: 7:30 pm (please note different venue) Main Classroom Auditorium, across fro= m the Howard A. Mims African American Cultural Center (MC 135).=20 A reading with Jericho Brown and Terrance Hayes, in cooperation with the Cl= eveland State University Black Studies Program. =A0 Brown is the author of the poetry collection Please (New Issues, 2008), a f= ormer Cave Canem fellow, and a professor of English at the University of Sa= n Diego. =A0 Hayes is the author of three collections of poetry, Muscular Music, Hip Log= ic, and Wind in a Box.=A0He is a professor at Carnegie Mellon University in= Pittsburgh. =A0 March 2009: (Still tentative--contact us for details--date, location, and second author= to be arranged.) A reading with Mark Nowak Nowak is the author of two poetry collections, Shut Up Shut Down and Revena= nts. He is an associate professor at the College of St. Catherine in Minnea= polis. =A0 Wednesday, April 1, 2009: 7:30 pm, Fenn Tower Theater (FT 102), 1983 East 24th Street A reading with Robert Hill Long and Allison Benis White Long is the author of a collection of flash fiction, The Effigies, as well = as two poetry collections. The Work of the Bow and The Power to Die. He tau= ght for many years at the University of Oregon. =A0 White's first full-length collection, Self-Portrait with Crayon, was select= ed by Robert Hill Long as the winner of the 2008 Cleveland State University= Poetry Center First Book Competition. She lives in Irvine, California.=A0 =A0 Wednesday, April 22, 2009: 7:30 pm, Fenn Tower Theater (FT 102), 1983 East 24th Street A reading with Mary Biddinger, Sarah Gridley, and Craig Paulenich Biddinger is the author of the poetry collection, Prairie Fever, and the ed= itor of the University of Akron Press's poetry series. She is currently an = assistant professor of English at the University of Akron. =A0 Gridley is the author of Weather Eye Open, published by University of Calif= ornia Press, and a second collection forthcoming from California. She is Po= et-in-Residence at Case Western Reserve University. =A0 Paulenich is the author of the=A0poetry collection=A0The Drift of the Hunt,= and is coauthor (with Kent Johnson) of Beneath a Single Moon: Buddhism in = Contemporary American Poetry. He teaches=A0English at Kent State University= .. =A0 Events listed are free and open to the public. Call the Cleveland State University Poetry Center at 216-687-3986 for more = information.=20 Dr. Michael Dumanis, Director; Rita M. Grabowski, Manager.=20 Activities of the Cleveland State University Poetry Center are under the au= spices of the Department of English,=20 College of Liberal Arts and Social Sciences.=20 =A0=20 =A0=20 Best,=20 =A0=20 Virginia Konchan,=A0Graduate Assistant=20 Cleveland State University Poetry Center=20 2121 Euclid Ave. RT 1848=20 Cleveland, OH 44115=20 216.687.3986=20 virginia_konchan@yahoo.com =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:06:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Andrew Zawacki Subject: Symposium on Literary Translation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Symposium on Literary Translation University of Georgia Thursday 10/2 and Friday 10/3 Featuring: PETER COLE, FORREST GANDER, MICHAEL HENRY HEIM, DAVID HINTON, PIERRE JORIS, SUSANNA NIED, RICHARD SIEBURTH, and COLE SWENSEN. Thursday, October 2 (UGA Chapel, North Campus): Opening session, 2:30-4:00 p.m. Public reading, 4:30-6:30 p.m. Friday, October 3 (Fanning Institute, 1240 S. Lumpkin Street): Panel: "Translating Poetry, Translating Prose." 9:30-10:45 a.m. Panel: "Working with an Author, Translating the Past," 11:15 a.m.-12:30 p.m. Workshops, 2:00-4:00 p.m. Free and open to the public. The event is made possible by the Willson Center for Humanities and Arts, the Helen S. Lanier Chair, and the English Department. For questions, please contact Jed Rasula (rasulaj@uga.edu) and Andrew Zawacki (zawacki@uga.edu). Andrew Zawacki Department of English/ VERSE University of Georgia Athens, Georgia 30602 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:14:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rachel Harley Smith Subject: Cella's Round Trip seeks submissions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" YOU are cordially invited to submit your work to CEllA's Round Trip (@=20= www.cellasroundtrip.com - a NEW ONLINE HYBRID TYPE LITERARY & VISIONA= RY JOURNAL) for Issue #02, winter 2008! Send your poetry, flash fiction/non-fiction, digital poetry, digital art, photography (digitally altered or au naturale), collage, drawings, paintings, shockwave flash creations, movies, etc. (OR any combination of the previously mentioned).= =20 Deadline: October 31st. Complete guidelines may be found at www.cellasroundtrip.com/submit. Since CEllA's Round Trip went live with Issue #01 in July, the site has received over 100,000 hits from all over the globe. Issue #01 has gained= LOTS of attention - It is an expanded issue filled to the brim with works= by amazing artists/writers from around the world - from Minneapolis to NYC t= o the Ukraine to rural China. CRT is included on NewPages.com list of literary magazines and has found a comfy spot on Dzanc Book's/Emerging Writer's "Best of the Web Online Journals" list. A special thanks goes o= ut to the Poetics List for helping to provide some of the connections that g= ot us started and for linking us to some awesome talents. :) Please, feel free to forward this information on. Keep an eye out for an upcoming image-response-flash-fiction contest in t= he weeks to come!=20=20=20=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:46:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Please - need help with interpreting this image - thanks - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Need help with picture interpretation. The following images are from a Machzor for Passover, published in 1929 in Vilna, Poland; as you know, the fate of the Jewish community there was disasterous, just a few years later. The book is published by Rozenkranz i Szryftzecer and contains several pages in the beginning which may or may not have been added to the original - they seem insertions done at the time of the printing and binding but I'm not sure. (In fact the volume is an odd compilation of sorts; the Haggadah per se is only a small part of it.) There's a picture, which is reproduced below. It's a terrifying image of a seder (the Hebrew title is HaSeder), a premonition of things to come. It may be a contemporary image of a pogrom, an odd image of violence for a holiday of joy and salvation (which 'salve' perhaps refers to - but then there are armed men coming in - in fact, what _does_ salve mean in this context?). I found this along with a collection of other Vilna books at Sam Weller's store in Salt Lake City. Any suggestions or information you might have about the image would be greatly appreciated. And thanks in advance - http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah8.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah7.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah6.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah5.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah4.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah3.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah2.jpg http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah1.jpg Thanks again, Alan - by the way below are images from Utah related to Second Life texturing - including a short video - http://www.alansondheim.org/watr.mov http://www.alansondheim.org/ solitude jpgs to access the Odyssey exhibition The Accidental Artist: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:03:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Little Red Leaves Subject: DOS PRESS CHAPBOOK #3 NOW AVAILABLE (Alcal=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E1=2C_?= Smith, Steensen) In-Reply-To: <2cca5f180809220649t6dd03ea4h34c904128afb998e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ANNOUNCING DOS PRESS CHAPBOOK #3 1 book, 2 spines, 3 authors. Featuring: Rosa Alcal=E1's UNDOCUMENTARY Ash Smith's WATER SHED Sasha Steensen's THE FUTURE OF AN ILLUSION Also featuring a selection of images from TX artist/writer Roberto Ontiveros. Limited edition copies are available here: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=3D15222580 Standard edition copies are available here: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=3D15438331 See blog for details: www.dospress.blogspot.com Sasha Steensen is an Assistant Professor at Colorado State University. She holds a B.A. in History and an M.F.A. in Creative Writing from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, as well as a PhD in Poetics from SUNY Buffalo. Steensen teaches poetry workshops, literature courses, letterpress printing, and bookmaking. She is the author of *The Method*(Fence Books, 2008), *A Magic Book*, which won the Alberta duPont Bonsal Prize (Fence Books, 2004), *The Future of an Illusion* (Dos Press, 2008), and * correspondence* (with Gordon Hadfield, Handwritten Press, 2004). Her poetry has appeared in numerous journals, including*Denver Quarterly, Aufgabe, Goodfoot, Free Verse, Slope, Shearsman, Shiny, *and* La Petit Zine*. Her essays and reviews have appeared in journals such as *Boston Review, Chain, P-queue*and *Interim*. She is currently working on a hybrid project, which is part poetry, part memoir, part history of the Back-to-the-Land movement of the 1970's. Steensen is also co-editor of Bonfire Press ( http://bonfirepress.colostate.edu), and she serves as one of the poetry editors for Colorado Review. Steensen's work online: http://littleredleaves.com/LRL2/steensen.html http://handwritten.org/downloads/hadfield-steensen.pdf *Rosa Alcal=E1* received her MFA from Brown University and her Ph.D. in English from the State University of New York at Buffalo. In 2003, *Some Maritime Disasters This Century*was published as a limited edition by Belladonna/Boog Books (New York).*Undocumentaries*, a selection of poems, i= s forthcoming from Dos Press. Her poems have also appeared in *The Wind Shifts: New Latino Poetry*, edited by Francisco Arag=F3n (U of AZ Press, 2007), and *Cinturones de =F3xido: de Buffalo con amor / Rust Belt Encounte= rs: From Buffalo with Love*, translated by Ernesto Liv=F3n-Grosman and Omar P= =E9rez (Torre de Letras, La Habana, Cuba, 2005). Alcal=E1 has translated Cecilia Vicu=F1a's *El Templo* (Situations Press, 2001 ) and *Cloud-net* (Art in General, 1999). Her translation of Vicu=F1a's essay-poem, "Ubixic del Decir= , 'Its Being Said': A Reading of a Reading of the Popol Vuh," was published i= n * With Their Hands and Their Eyes: Maya Textiles, Mirrors of a Worldview*, Etnografish Museum (Belgium, 2003). Alcal=E1's translation of *Bestiary: Th= e Selected Poems of Lourdes V=E1zquez* was published by Bilingual Press in 20= 04. Forthcoming is a co-translation (with M=F3nica de la Torre) of Lila Zemborain's Malvas Orqu=EDdeas del Mar/ Mauve Sea Orchids (Belladonna). She has also translated poems for the forthcoming*Oxford Book of Latin American Poetry*. Her poems, translations, and reviews have been published widely in a variety of literary journals, including the *Barrow Street**, Brooklyn Rail,* *tripwire*, *Kenyon Review*, and *Mandorla*. She has held artist residencies and has given talks and readings in the U.S., Spain, Cuba, and Scotland. Alcal=E1's work online: http://www.actionyes.org/issue7/alcala/alcala1.html Ash Smith has lived mostly in Central Texas and the Rio Grande Valley where she has worked with environmental and educational programs. She is currentl= y finishing a full length manuscript at Texas State University. *Water Shed*, from Dos Press, is her first chapbook. Smith's work online: http://webdelsol.com/DIAGRAM/7_1/smith.html --=20 325 Mill Rd. Maxwell, TX 78656 www.dospress.blogspot.com www.littleredleaves.com --=20 www.littleredleaves.com www.littleredleavesjournal.blogspot.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:22:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Anne Pluto Subject: Re: Please - need help with interpreting this image - thanks - In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Alan - Could the image be a reminder of the Spanish Inquisition - the hooded figures and the Renaissance garb of some of the seder guests - the hooded figures are another plague - or a symbolic of events of the first passover. Sad and mysterious illustration. Annie Pluto Anne Elezabeth Pluto, PhD Professor Artistic Director, Oxford Street Players of Lesley University 33 Mellen Street Cambridge, MA 02138 617-349-8948 apluto@lesley.edu- On 9/22/08 2:46 AM, "Alan Sondheim" wrote: > Need help with picture interpretation. > > > The following images are from a Machzor for Passover, published in 1929 in > Vilna, Poland; as you know, the fate of the Jewish community there was > disasterous, just a few years later. The book is published by Rozenkranz i > Szryftzecer and contains several pages in the beginning which may or may > not have been added to the original - they seem insertions done at the > time of the printing and binding but I'm not sure. (In fact the volume is > an odd compilation of sorts; the Haggadah per se is only a small part of > it.) There's a picture, which is reproduced below. It's a terrifying image > of a seder (the Hebrew title is HaSeder), a premonition of things to come. > It may be a contemporary image of a pogrom, an odd image of violence for a > holiday of joy and salvation (which 'salve' perhaps refers to - but then > there are armed men coming in - in fact, what _does_ salve mean in this > context?). I found this along with a collection of other Vilna books at > Sam Weller's store in Salt Lake City. Any suggestions or information you > might have about the image would be greatly appreciated. And thanks in > advance - > > http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah8.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah7.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah6.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah5.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah4.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah3.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah2.jpg > http://www.alansondheim.org/Haggadah1.jpg > > Thanks again, Alan - > > > by the way below are images from Utah related to Second Life texturing - > including a short video - > > http://www.alansondheim.org/watr.mov > http://www.alansondheim.org/ solitude jpgs > > to access the Odyssey exhibition The Accidental Artist: > http://slurl.com/secondlife/Odyssey/48/12/22 > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & > sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:55:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tom Orange Subject: Re: Political Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Readers, The following is offered in response to the truthiness of Troy Camplin. "Economic experts say that [Phil "Nation of Whiners" "Mental Recession" "Enron Loophole"] Gramm and others are to blame for the current crisis that is shaking Wall Street. Gramm's successful effort to pass banking reform laws in 1999, which reduced decades-old regulations separating banking, insurance and brokerage activities, helped to create the current economic crisis." ("Who's Whining Now? Gramm Slammed By Economists") See also this extensive rap sheet on McCain's other economic policy advisors: "The [Obama] campaign puts out a statement from former Fannie Mae chief Franklin Raines, disowning ties to Obama, after a McCain ad attacked him for the ties. The Washington Post reported -- with the kind of blind sourcing that suggests the source was Raines -- that Raines had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters." Raines said in the statement through the campaign, "I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters."" (Obama denies Raines ties, accuses McCain of throwing stones from his "seven glass houses") The false voter registrations by ACORN staffers have been limited to the last 4 years of that organization's 38-year history -- a long history of the kind of community organizing work (like advocating for a living wage, fighting predaory lending practices, housing and school reform) that Giuliani, Palin and the RNC openly mock and belittle. "Mr. Obama worked for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now's Project Vote voter-registration campaign in 1992 after graduating from Harvard Law School. He directed a successful voter-registration campaign, credited with electing Carol Moseley-Braun to the U.S. Senate. Primarily targeting African-Americans, Mr. Obama's efforts added an estimated 125,000 voters to the rolls." Obama's work for ACORN ended long before any allegations of voter fraud. This is more guilt-by-association of the Wright-Ayers variety. Regards, Tom Orange > > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:54:32 -0700 > From: Troy Camplin > Subject: Re: Political Poetry > > Two of Obama's main economics advisors, Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson (who resigned back in June due to some of this scandal being brought to light), were former CEOs of Fannie Mae. Raines was even fired from his position at Fannie Mae. And no wonder, since he overstated earnings by 50% during his tenure. Considering the situation they put their company in (and, yes, it was them as well as those in charge during the collapse who are responsible for the collapse), should anybody be taking advice from them about anything regarding the economy? I mean, they did such a bang-up job with Fannie Mae. > > "Property Records Show Mr. Johnson Has Received More Than $7 Million In Loans From Countrywide Since 1998, The First Coming In The Waning Days Of His Fannie Mae Tenure" (Glenn R. Simpson and James R. Hagerty, "Countrywide Friends Got Good Loans," The Wall Street Journal, 6/7/08). Ironically, those loans seem to have been "subprime." Certainly they were loans made directly by the CEO of Countrywide. Now, does this necessarily mean something sketchy was going on? Of course not. But it seems there's a pretty tangled web involving the mortgage market, its collapse, and Obama (who also received a pretty good deal on a house, as I recall). Countrywide, by the way, has been one of the companies at the center of the mortgage market breakdown. So two of Obama's advisors were involved in creating the very mortgage crisis Obama is trying to use to his political advantage. More, they made millions off of running Fannie Mae into the ground, and have used that money > to try to get Obama elected. > > Did I mention that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were major donors to ACORN, who is currently engaged in voter fraud in Michigan and Ohio (odd how voter fraud is constantly associated with them), and that Obama worked for ACORN? I did? Seems like an interesting -- important? -- connection. But don't worry, that's just one more thing for the MSM to ignore. > > Troy C amplin > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stephen Vincent > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:09:47 PM > Subject: Political Poetry > > "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous > nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in > banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less > burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation." > John McCain - Contingencies (Magazine) Date? > > Priceless Obama campaign discovery - shear poetry of a double-edged sort. Only major complication is that Obama is going to have to inherit this mess! It must be now a foregone conclusion that George Bush is the most catastrophic President of this country, ever! Sarah Palin = the ultimate footnote to the whole debacle. > > As to the site of 'real' poetry in the middle of this disaster?? > Well, of the most recent moment, Anselm Berrigan read at the Small Press Traffic last night here in San Francisco - that was full of two bladed lines that cut to the collapsing core. & not without the relief of some bitter-sweet humor. Thank you, Anselm! > > Stephen V > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:56:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Newsletter 09.22.08-09.28.08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 LITERARY BUFFALO 09.22.08-09.28.08 BABEL 2008-2009 SUBSCRIPTIONS ARE SOLD OUT=21 If you would like to be put on a waiting list for tickets, please send an e= mail with your name and daytime telephone number to info=40justbuffalo.org. ___________________________________________________________________________ ACHEBE BY CLOSED CIRCUIT TV=21 Due to popular demand, we are going to present a live, closed-circuit telev= ision screening of the Chinua Achebe event in the cinema at Hallwalls. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:03:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Katalanche Press Subject: New chapbook by Jess Mynes, If and When MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline We're pleased to announce a new release from Katalanche Press: If and When by Jess Mynes $6.00 Silkscreened cover, saddle stapled, 36 pgs. Check it out at our website, along with a sample poem: http://katalanchepress1.blogspot.com/ Purchases can be made through Paypal, or by check (payable to Michael Carr) sent to: Katalanche Press c/o Michael Carr 50 Plymouth St, #1 Cambridge, MA 02141 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:22:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ron Starr Subject: Re: Political Poetry In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------------- from Talkingpoints Memo (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/218693.php) The Rot ... But now we learn from the NY Times that McCain's campaign manager and right hand man Rick Davis bagged more than $2 million running a front group set up by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stepped up federal regulation. ---------------- ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:30:36 -0700 Reply-To: wlloyd818@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Warren Lloyd Subject: Re: Political Poetry In-Reply-To: <311551.22130.qm@web46213.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like your re-stating the major Republican talking points from the MSM. Why not add to them-- the fact that Franklin Raines has released a statement claiming he in no capacity was ever an OBAMA advisor-- never the less one whom he will seek economic advice from. The people to connect to OBAMA are his ACTUAL advisors: Robert Rubins, Paul Volcker and Lawrence Summers, all Ex-Clinton advisors. So if you like the 5.7 trillion dollar surplus that they left VS the trickle down hoax of the far right one might want to look beyond the FOX NEWS MSM talking points. Certainly if yuo'd like our libraries sensored maybe the whole faux connection between Franklin Raines might be appealing or the Jim Johnson connection might be even more appealing but tell the whole truth... He was fired as soon as his position became known. Its strange to have to mention here but, uh... the poets are generally banished from conservative societies. "The Stars are eating" - Artaud --- On Sun, 9/21/08, Troy Camplin wrote: > From: Troy Camplin > Subject: Re: Political Poetry > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 12:54 AM > Two of Obama's main economics advisors, Franklin Raines > and Jim Johnson (who resigned back in June due to some of > this scandal being brought to light), were former CEOs of > Fannie Mae. Raines was even fired from his position at > Fannie Mae. And no wonder, since he overstated earnings by > 50% during his tenure. Considering the situation they put > their company in (and, yes, it was them as well as those in > charge during the collapse who are responsible for the > collapse), should anybody be taking advice from them about > anything regarding the economy? I mean, they did such a > bang-up job with Fannie Mae. > > "Property Records Show Mr. Johnson Has Received More > Than $7 Million In Loans From Countrywide Since 1998, The > First Coming In The Waning Days Of His Fannie Mae > Tenure" (Glenn R. Simpson and James R. Hagerty, > "Countrywide Friends Got Good Loans," The Wall > Street Journal, 6/7/08). Ironically, those loans seem to > have been "subprime." Certainly they were loans > made directly by the CEO of Countrywide. Now, does this > necessarily mean something sketchy was going on? Of course > not. But it seems there's a pretty tangled web involving > the mortgage market, its collapse, and Obama (who also > received a pretty good deal on a house, as I recall). > Countrywide, by the way, has been one of the companies at > the center of the mortgage market breakdown. So two of > Obama's advisors were involved in creating the very > mortgage crisis Obama is trying to use to his political > advantage. More, they made millions off of running Fannie > Mae into the ground, and have used that money > to try to get Obama elected. > > Did I mention that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were major > donors to ACORN, who is currently engaged in voter fraud in > Michigan and Ohio (odd how voter fraud is constantly > associated with them), and that Obama worked for ACORN? I > did? Seems like an interesting -- important? -- connection. > But don't worry, that's just one more thing for the > MSM to ignore. > > Troy C amplin > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stephen Vincent > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:09:47 PM > Subject: Political Poetry > > "Opening up the health insurance market to more > vigorous > nationwide competition, as we have done over the last > decade in > banking, would provide more choices of innovative products > less > burdened by the worst excesses of state-based > regulation." > John McCain - Contingencies (Magazine) Date? > > Priceless Obama campaign discovery - shear poetry of a > double-edged sort. Only major complication is that Obama is > going to have to inherit this mess! It must be now a > foregone conclusion that George Bush is the most > catastrophic President of this country, ever! Sarah Palin = > the ultimate footnote to the whole debacle. > > As to the site of 'real' poetry in the middle of > this disaster?? > Well, of the most recent moment, Anselm Berrigan read at > the Small Press Traffic last night here in San Francisco - > that was full of two bladed lines that cut to the collapsing > core. & not without the relief of some bitter-sweet > humor. Thank you, Anselm! > > Stephen V > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > > > > > > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:52:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Troy Camplin Subject: Re: Political Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What economic experts? Those on the Left, no doubt. I love how vague these news reporters get. Just find some people who agree with your ideology and only report what they say. Also, the Raines information is at best an example of Obama throwing another one of his close circle under the bus yet again. He should feel right at home with Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. I'm no fan of McCain, either, who I think is going to do little better on the economy than Obama. He's busy blaming all the same people as Obama and ignoring the fact that this mess was created a long time ago by "deregulations" that could not have been designed any better to fail, and thus justify nationalization. I'm not sure who is the bigger idiot when it comes to the economy. McCain? "right now we are the victim of greed, excess and corruption in Wall Street." No, we are the victim of government regulations that allow companies to profit from their good decisions, but find themselves in no danger if they make bad decisions, as the government is there, promising to bail them out. Profits have been privatized, but losses remain in the public sector. Is it any wonder our financial institutions are collapsing? What kind of decisions would you make if you knew all your bad decisions would have no consequences for you, but that if what you wanted to do worked out, you got to keep the profits? I bet you would be willing to do all sorts of risky things -- or downright idiotic ones. And then there is Joe Biden saying what all this means is that we need more regulations. The same group of people who couldn't figure out how to "privatize" companies like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac without creating a situation where they would certainly collapse want to regulate companies even more. The lesson here is not that we need more government, but that the involvement of government in these companies that have been collapsing is what caused the collapse. Government control in the economy in the U.S. was about 30 years behind that of the Soviet Union. It looks like our collapse is right on time. $700 billion dollars. That's how much our government is going to spend on bailing out a bunch of companies run by incompetents and who were in large pert put in this position because of the regulations currently on the books. What the financial sector of the market needs is deregulation, not more regulations. They need to have failure privatized. Meaning, companies need to know that they will be allowed to fail. And the government needs to let them fail. The situation we're in now, the government has only postponed the inevitable. And, worse, like a fault line prone to earthquakes, the longer we put things off, the worse the quake is going to be. The federal government doesn't have almost a trillion dollars to spend. It does not have $700,000,000,000. So where will it get the money? It will borrow it. That's another $700 billion added to the debt. How will it pay off this debt, which will come due some day? 1) taxes -- which will take more money out of the economy and create a worse economy overall 2) print money -- which will result in massive inflation 3) default -- considering how much of our debt countries like China own, this is the last thing we want to do. Can you imagine defaulting on a trillion dollars to China? We would be at war with China -- and they would be in the right. Some wonderful choices given to us from the ghosts of socialism past. The interventionist state does not work. Socialism doesn't work. Centralized financial planning works no better than overall economic planning does. I hope -- but doubt -- someone will get the message and get the government out of the economy. I expect instead that we will get even more regulations out of this. When the collapse does finally happen, it will be the Great Depression II -- only in an even more globalized economy. But don't worry -- Obama plans to hurry things along by raising taxes and imposing tariffs. That worked so well during The Great Depression. It didn't make things worse or lead to WWII at all. Please ignore history. Nothing to see here. Troy Camplin ----- Original Message ---- From: Tom Orange To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:55:52 AM Subject: Re: Political Poetry Dear Readers, The following is offered in response to the truthiness of Troy Camplin. "Economic experts say that [Phil "Nation of Whiners" "Mental Recession" "Enron Loophole"] Gramm and others are to blame for the current crisis that is shaking Wall Street. Gramm's successful effort to pass banking reform laws in 1999, which reduced decades-old regulations separating banking, insurance and brokerage activities, helped to create the current economic crisis." ("Who's Whining Now? Gramm Slammed By Economists") See also this extensive rap sheet on McCain's other economic policy advisors: "The [Obama] campaign puts out a statement from former Fannie Mae chief Franklin Raines, disowning ties to Obama, after a McCain ad attacked him for the ties. The Washington Post reported -- with the kind of blind sourcing that suggests the source was Raines -- that Raines had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters." Raines said in the statement through the campaign, "I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters."" (Obama denies Raines ties, accuses McCain of throwing stones from his "seven glass houses") The false voter registrations by ACORN staffers have been limited to the last 4 years of that organization's 38-year history -- a long history of the kind of community organizing work (like advocating for a living wage, fighting predaory lending practices, housing and school reform) that Giuliani, Palin and the RNC openly mock and belittle. "Mr. Obama worked for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now's Project Vote voter-registration campaign in 1992 after graduating from Harvard Law School. He directed a successful voter-registration campaign, credited with electing Carol Moseley-Braun to the U.S. Senate. Primarily targeting African-Americans, Mr. Obama's efforts added an estimated 125,000 voters to the rolls." Obama's work for ACORN ended long before any allegations of voter fraud. This is more guilt-by-association of the Wright-Ayers variety. Regards, Tom Orange > > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:54:32 -0700 > From: Troy Camplin > Subject: Re: Political Poetry > > Two of Obama's main economics advisors, Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson (who resigned back in June due to some of this scandal being brought to light), were former CEOs of Fannie Mae. Raines was even fired from his position at Fannie Mae. And no wonder, since he overstated earnings by 50% during his tenure. Considering the situation they put their company in (and, yes, it was them as well as those in charge during the collapse who are responsible for the collapse), should anybody be taking advice from them about anything regarding the economy? I mean, they did such a bang-up job with Fannie Mae. > > "Property Records Show Mr. Johnson Has Received More Than $7 Million In Loans From Countrywide Since 1998, The First Coming In The Waning Days Of His Fannie Mae Tenure" (Glenn R. Simpson and James R. Hagerty, "Countrywide Friends Got Good Loans," The Wall Street Journal, 6/7/08). Ironically, those loans seem to have been "subprime." Certainly they were loans made directly by the CEO of Countrywide. Now, does this necessarily mean something sketchy was going on? Of course not. But it seems there's a pretty tangled web involving the mortgage market, its collapse, and Obama (who also received a pretty good deal on a house, as I recall). Countrywide, by the way, has been one of the companies at the center of the mortgage market breakdown. So two of Obama's advisors were involved in creating the very mortgage crisis Obama is trying to use to his political advantage. More, they made millions off of running Fannie Mae into the ground, and have used that money > to try to get Obama elected. > > Did I mention that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were major donors to ACORN, who is currently engaged in voter fraud in Michigan and Ohio (odd how voter fraud is constantly associated with them), and that Obama worked for ACORN? I did? Seems like an interesting -- important? -- connection. But don't worry, that's just one more thing for the MSM to ignore. > > Troy C amplin > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stephen Vincent > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:09:47 PM > Subject: Political Poetry > > "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous > nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in > banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less > burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation." > John McCain - Contingencies (Magazine) Date? > > Priceless Obama campaign discovery - shear poetry of a double-edged sort. Only major complication is that Obama is going to have to inherit this mess! It must be now a foregone conclusion that George Bush is the most catastrophic President of this country, ever! Sarah Palin = the ultimate footnote to the whole debacle. > > As to the site of 'real' poetry in the middle of this disaster?? > Well, of the most recent moment, Anselm Berrigan read at the Small Press Traffic last night here in San Francisco - that was full of two bladed lines that cut to the collapsing core. & not without the relief of some bitter-sweet humor. Thank you, Anselm! > > Stephen V > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > > > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:12:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: Political Poetry In-Reply-To: <455264.99577.qm@web50206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would take issue with the statement that "poets are generally banned from= conservative societies." Poets are just as likely to be banned from "prog= ressive societies=3B" it is not whether a State is "conservative" or "prog= ressive" that determines the banning=2C but whether or not the poet is=2C a= nd how strongly the poet is=2C opposed to the State. A strongly Anarchist = poet=2C for example=2C would be one quite possibly banned by either and/or = both States=2C simply by being opposed to The State.=20 Somone related to someone in the State bureaucracy simply might not like th= e poet for some obscure reason--and so--boom!--out they go!--banned with al= their manuscripts--politics can be "very personal" after all=2C and have n= othing to do with "right" or left" other than which of the poet's hand's be= ing the writing hand is the one that gets cut off.=20 For example=2C consider the poetic alliance which Drs Marjorie Perloff and = Charles Bernstein have begun with academics of poetry programs in China=2C = following a symposiumon re Language Poetry in China. As is well known=2C C= hina bans manys of its "progressive" poets=2C and many are driven into exil= e in the West. The Chinese have also suppressed the culture of the Tibetan= people=2C as well as expressions of a spiritual nature by Chinese citizens= . This "problematizes" the issue of labeling as "conservative"/"progressiv= e" both States and poetry Schools/"Movements" in relation with the issue o= f "banning poets" and poetries. The same can be said in a way with this issue of the advisors--in a sense= =2C all of them are=2C including al the candidates=2C already part of the s= ystem which has led to this immense disaster=2C because none of them have d= one anything to avert what has been visible for years now as a down bound t= rain wreck of collasal proportions. And why not? Perhaps because everyone= has cynically bet on just what is happening--that the Government=2C that h= ated and reviled Enemy of the Free Market=2C will step in finally and rescu= e the privatized world with public funds raised off the backs of--yes--the = labor of those citizens who actually pay taxes=2C as compared to the two th= irds of the corporations who do not. =20 Increasingly=2C economic and foreign policy have nothing at all to do with = "advisors=2C" or perhaps even "Presidents=2C" but ever more to do with the = lobbyists and corporations and their associates who run the actual show. O= ne of the head honchos of the McCain campaign is a top lobbyist for the cou= ntry of Georgia=2C whose President went to Columbia University=2C and who b= anned the Free Press and fired on demonstrators in his "democracy." The US= just gave a billion buckaroos to this "goodl old boy" quicker than you can= say "Nuke them Rooskies." Even though it's illegal=2C you can get a big o= le tax break for sending money to the illegal Israeli "settlements=2C" whic= h have=2C not suprisingly=2C doubled in size since the promise last Novembe= r at Annaopolis by the Israeli government to halt further construction. = Under such circumstances=2C it's easy to see why tryiong to create a "compr= ehensive" economic and foreign policy" that can possible be held "accountab= le" by anonyone to anything or anyone is next toi impossible.=20 Remember the huge outcry when Dubai had tried to purchase the Security Ope= rations of US Ports? My God! Can't have any of those Arabs protecting our= ports! (Which to this day=2C as is constantly pointed out=2C are still pr= actically unprotected from the simplest of Terrorist Attacks.) Oh no--some = American companies were destined for this task. But guess where Vice-Presi= dent Cheney's old pals at Haliburton have relocated their World head quarte= rs to from Texas? Why=2C Dubai=2C of course. Turns out it's just much saf= er there.=20 On Democracy Now this morning I heard that some American Troops are being "= sent home"--not however to "go home=2C" but to be "redeployed" as "security= forces" within the USA. Yes--Armed Forces who are now being put at the re= ady to "manage" any "domestic incidents. " The Armed Forces will be facin= g down American civilians=2C as well as al those "illegal aliens" and "enem= y combattants" among the "detinees" held within the borders of the USA. =20 The Programs which were last used during World War Two in which local citiz= enry=2C police=2C fire workers=2C medical personel were mobilized and train= ed as "under cover" agents=2C to surveil and collect information on the pop= ulace and report on any "suspicious persons and developments" are being rei= nstituted. The powers of the Office of the president have been extended to= the point of a God like Omniscience--the President now can proclaim any pe= rson any where in the world an enemy comabttant or person of interest and h= ave them detaineed indefinetly. =20 The one "saving grace" for the American economy has been that Arms sales in= the last few years have risen at rates that are beyond belief. It has got= ten to the point in the last several years that Congress has openly authori= zed sales that are illegal under US Law--without hardly any outcry at all f= rom their fellow members or the press. =20 The US has begun a major buildup of Special Forces in Colombia=2C as well a= s more covert ones in Bolivia and Paraguay. Special Ops are being deployed = agin to old stations that had been abondoned in the Far East and South East= Asia=2C as well as the Phillipines and Malayasia=2C Indonesia. Missiles d= eployed in Eastern Europe=2C the immesnse Naval blockade building in the Gu= lf area--and for the first time ever=2C American forces stationed in israel= =2C if only so far for now as technicians aiding with the installment and m= anagement of new radar systems. =20 The "right War" being launched INTO Afghanistan FROM within Pakistan--evide= nce that the "Surge" was in actuality an ethnic cleansing of Sunni neighbor= hoods--the potential attack on Iran--Palestine=2C Lebanon=2C Somalia=2C Eth= iopia=2C Eritrea=2C Congo=2C Darfur=2C Zimbabwe=2C Rwanda=2C South Africa--= Nigeria--Algeria-- And all those arms being shipped out! Will any of them be used to pay for the bail outs?--!!!--?? How many millions of cluster bombs=2C bombers and missiles to pay off Fanny= Mae's bakruptcy for example?-- Instead of paying others for worthless detainees housed for ever at US expe= nse in Gitmo--why not just start some serious kindapping for ransom of Worl= d Leaders to be held in these high tech hell holes?-- How many subprimes might be resuced for the hide of a Sarkozy do you think?= Or him and his wife considered as buy one get one for fifty per cent off = deal? Hey?--How much for the two Birtish Prinbces? For Putin?--For the Ch= inese Foriegn Minister? The Head of Universal Studios? For Steven Spilebe= rg? How much would al that heroin the US could control in Afghanistan be worth? Think about it! Be resourceful!! Who'd like to buy Mount Rushmore? It's = only a bunch of carved rocks after all! Want to buy the Alamo? How about = John Wayne's remains? Graceland? The White House? The West Wing is for r= ent by the day the wrek or the month-- The library of Congress? The original document of the Declaration of Indep= endence? Cape Canaveral? Want to buy some endangered species to protect? How about some Polar Bears = or some wolves before Sarah Palin gets them all-- Why not? A Fire Sale--a White Sale--An Elephant Sale! A President's Day S= ale! A Post Election Special!! One "hopes" that Senator Obama will listen to himself as he was before this= campaign began=2C forget all the advisors and pollsters=2C the lobbyists a= nd speech writers and reflect far more on what he worked as and thought abo= ut just a couple years ago. This is probably impossible until AFTER being = elected--but--who knows-- if Jimmy Stewart can do it in the 1930's Leo McCarey movies-- isn't it still possible--to bring back those hopes as the New Depression ne= ars--?? or do all those old hopes simply belong to Ted Turner's TCM cable channel a= nymore!!-- "To build a new society in the shell of the old" IWW slogan http:/davidbaptistechirot.blogspot.com =3D=3D =20 Grasping at Straws =20 By Mike Whitney=20 =20 If Paulson is not removed and his rescue plan scrapped altogether=3B the=20 dollar will lose its position as the world's reserve currency and the US=20 government will face a historic funding crisis as foreign sources of capit= al=20 dry up. That will thrust the country into a hyper-inflationary depression. =09 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20828.htm =20 =3D=3D=3D =20 Paulson Bailout Plan a Historic Swindle=20 By William Greider =20 Financial-market wise guys=2C who had been seized with fear=2C are suddenl= y=20 drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they hav= e=20 successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal=20 solution to the crisis: dump it all on the taxpayers.=20 =09 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20823.htm =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D =20 What's Really Bankrupt =20 The Wall Street Model: Unintelligent Design =20 By PAM MARTENS =20 There is no sincere plan by this administration to help America or=20 Americans. There is only a plan to slow the financial collapse until after= =20 the November elections by throwing a politically palatable amount of money= =20 at it and a plan to continue to blame it on a housing bust.=20 =09 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20826.htm =20 =3D=3D=3D =20 Financial Bailout: =20 America's Own Kleptocracy =20 The largest transformation of America's Financial System since the=20 Great Depression =20 By Michael Hudson =20 Nobody expected industrial capitalism to end up like this. =09 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20822.htm =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D =20 The Dog Days Of September =20 By Gary Corseri =20 We can no longer claim to live in "the land of the free and the home of th= e=20 brave." There is nothing free here except the "free-market" our corporate= =20 bosses have foisteed on us and the rest of the world to open up foreign=20 markets to our brand-name companies so that foreign workers can make=20 products that "Americans" will buy at exorbitant prices. How did that=20 happen? Hypnosis through the mass media that "Americans" were supposed to= =20 own-hypnosis through repetition=2C spectacle=2C diversion.=20 =09 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20825.htm =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Popular Scams of the Rich ansd Famous =20 By: Richard Backus =20 The federal government has been playing footsie with fascism for quite a=20 long time=2C supported only by the inability of the general public to=20 recognize it. Ecclesiastic appointments=2C corporate management=2C charity= =2C=20 "brain trust" =2Cfoundations=2C university appointments=2C and even schola= rship=20 awards are controlled by political elites=2C with the consequent assurance= s=20 that these appointees will play ball with the politicians and their=20 "sponsors". The Pols now essentially control everything under the directio= n=20 of the rich and famous.=20 =09 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20827.htm =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D =20 In Hard Times=2C Tent Cities Rise Across the Country =20 By AP =20 Since foreclosure mess=2C homeless advocates report rise in encampments.=20 =09 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20810.htm =20 =09 > Date: Mon=2C 22 Sep 2008 11:30:36 -0700 > From: wlloyd818@YAHOO.COM > Subject: Re: Political Poetry > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Sounds like your re-stating the major Republican talking points from the = MSM. Why not add to them-- the fact that Franklin Raines has released a sta= tement claiming he in no capacity was ever an OBAMA advisor-- never the le= ss one whom he will seek economic advice from. The people to connect to OBA= MA are his ACTUAL advisors: Robert Rubins=2C Paul Volcker and Lawrence Summ= ers=2C all Ex-Clinton advisors. So if you like the 5.7 trillion dollar surp= lus that they left VS the trickle down hoax of the far right one might want= to look beyond the FOX NEWS MSM talking points. Certainly if yuo'd like ou= r libraries sensored maybe the whole faux connection between Franklin Raine= s might be appealing or the Jim Johnson connection might be even more appea= ling but tell the whole truth... He was fired as soon as his position becam= e known.=20 >=20 > Its strange to have to mention here but=2C uh... the poets are generally = banished from conservative societies.=20 >=20 > "The Stars are eating" > - Artaud >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun=2C 9/21/08=2C Troy Camplin wrote: >=20 > > From: Troy Camplin > > Subject: Re: Political Poetry > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Date: Sunday=2C September 21=2C 2008=2C 12:54 AM > > Two of Obama's main economics advisors=2C Franklin Raines > > and Jim Johnson (who resigned back in June due to some of > > this scandal being brought to light)=2C were former CEOs of > > Fannie Mae. Raines was even fired from his position at > > Fannie Mae. And no wonder=2C since he overstated earnings by > > 50% during his tenure. Considering the situation they put > > their company in (and=2C yes=2C it was them as well as those in > > charge during the collapse who are responsible for the > > collapse)=2C should anybody be taking advice from them about > > anything regarding the economy? I mean=2C they did such a > > bang-up job with Fannie Mae.=20 > >=20 > > "Property Records Show Mr. Johnson Has Received More > > Than $7 Million In Loans From Countrywide Since 1998=2C The > > First Coming In The Waning Days Of His Fannie Mae > > Tenure" (Glenn R. Simpson and James R. Hagerty=2C > > "Countrywide Friends Got Good Loans=2C" The Wall > > Street Journal=2C 6/7/08). Ironically=2C those loans seem to > > have been "subprime." Certainly they were loans > > made directly by the CEO of Countrywide. Now=2C does this > > necessarily mean something sketchy was going on? Of course > > not. But it seems there's a pretty tangled web involving > > the mortgage market=2C its collapse=2C and Obama (who also > > received a pretty good deal on a house=2C as I recall). > > Countrywide=2C by the way=2C has been one of the companies at > > the center of the mortgage market breakdown. So two of > > Obama's advisors were involved in creating the very > > mortgage crisis Obama is trying to use to his political > > advantage. More=2C they made millions off of running Fannie > > Mae into the ground=2C and have used that money > > to try to get Obama elected. > >=20 > > Did I mention that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were major > > donors to ACORN=2C who is currently engaged in voter fraud in > > Michigan and Ohio (odd how voter fraud is constantly > > associated with them)=2C and that Obama worked for ACORN? I > > did? Seems like an interesting -- important? -- connection. > > But don't worry=2C that's just one more thing for the > > MSM to ignore. > >=20 > > Troy C amplin > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Stephen Vincent > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Saturday=2C September 20=2C 2008 7:09:47 PM > > Subject: Political Poetry > >=20 > > "Opening up the health insurance market to more > > vigorous > > nationwide competition=2C as we have done over the last > > decade in > > banking=2C would provide more choices of innovative products > > less > > burdened by the worst excesses of state-based > > regulation." > > John McCain - Contingencies (Magazine) Date?=20 > >=20 > > Priceless Obama campaign discovery - shear poetry of a > > double-edged sort. Only major complication is that Obama is > > going to have to inherit this mess! It must be now a > > foregone conclusion that George Bush is the most > > catastrophic President of this country=2C ever! Sarah Palin =3D=20 > > the ultimate footnote to the whole debacle. > >=20 > > As to the site of 'real' poetry in the middle of > > this disaster??=20 > > Well=2C of the most recent moment=2C Anselm Berrigan read at > > the Small Press Traffic last night here in San Francisco - > > that was full of two bladed lines that cut to the collapsing > > core. & not without the relief of some bitter-sweet > > humor. Thank you=2C Anselm! > >=20 > > Stephen V > > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > > posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all > > posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:11:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rod Smith Subject: New @ Bridge Street: The Alphabet, Ginsberg letters, on Niedecker ed Willis, Godfrey, Jarnot, Nourbese Philip, Palmer, Abraham Lincoln 3, &&& Comments: To: "subpoetics-l@HAWAII.EDU" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LOTS new and recent. Thanks so much for your support of Washington's finest= independent bookstore! Ordering and discount information at the end of thi= s list.=0A=0AABRAHAM LINCOLN #3, ed Mohammad and Boyer, 67 pgs, $5. 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Her work has appeared in How2, Columbia Poetry Review, The Iowa Review, Phoebe, Big Bridge, diode and elsewhere, including several anthologies. Part, Part Euphrates (NeO Pepper Press, 2007) is her latest publication. =A0 ~~~~ =A0 Kristi Maxwell currently lives and writes in Cincinnati. She=92s the author of Realm Sixty-Four (Ahsahta, 2008), Elsewhere & Wise (Dancing Girl Press, 2008), and Hush Sessions (Saturnalia, forthcoming in 2009). =A0 ~~~ =A0 Alan Bajandas was picked up hitchhiking two days ago by a pain pill-popping Italian-American bounty hunter named Jason. Jason=97a self-professed Wiccan, former Marine sniper, 23-year mixed martial arts mas= ter, widower, and lover of transsexual women=97was on his way to Knoxville, TN t= o persuade his drunk-driving father back to rehab by means of =93a very large firearm.=94 Jason had a heart of pure fucking gold and bought Alan a Smart = Water. Alan was born and raised in Texas and will soon return to Brooklyn where he now resides. He is editor of The Open Face Sandwich, a print annual of uncommon and unpublishable prose. =A0 ~~~~ =A0 Ariana Reines is the author of The Cow (Alberta Prize, FenceBooks 2006) and Coeur de Lion (Mal-O-Mar 2007). Two volumes of transla= tion will appear in 2009: My Heart Laid Bare by Charles Baudelaire, for Mal-O-Ma= r, and Carnet de bal d=92une courtisane by Griselidis Real, for Semiotext(e). = She is under commission with The Foundry Theatre in New York, making a play that w= ill premiere in January 2009. =A0 ~~~~ =A0 Larissa Shmailo=92s new chapbook is A Cure for Suicide (Cervena Barva Press 2008), and new poetry CD is Exorcism (SongCrew 2008). Larissa has been published in Fulcrum, Rattapallax, Drunken Boat, MiPoesias= , and other publications. Larissa translated the Russian Futurist opera Victo= ry over the Sun by A. Kruchenych; a DVD of the original English-language production is part of the collection of the New York Museum of Modern Art. = She also contributed translations to the anthology Contemporary Russian Poetry = published by Dalkey Archive Press. Larissa Shmailo is a director of TWiN Poetry, an informal international collective of recording poets and their listeners an= d a public coordinator for the annual Fulcrum. Her first poetry CD, The No-Net World (SongCrew 2006) has been heard on radio and Internet broadcasts acros= s the U.S. and the U.K. Larissa is listed in the Poetry Kit Who=92s Who in po= etry. =A0 ~~~~ =A0 Erin Virgil is an MFA student at Naropa University. For money she writes the greetings in campy greeting cards and moonlights a= s a bad secretary. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:01:33 -0700 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Baratier Subject: Poem by one of our authors on Verse Daily MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today's poem is by Steve Davenport Popular Science=20 She drops the big white bullet palm to palm to palm like stepping down on swinging stairs=20 to the top of Big Rock Candy Mountain,=20 where the good cells sing in the cigarette=20 trees and there's always ice and whiskey too.=20 Her mouth's blistered from chemo and she's full of holes as she goes where hydrocodone grows in the acetaminophen shoals. She laughs when I write our hearts make morphine.=20 She writes you're three hours away happy in a book, floating in a tub. Copyright =A9 2008 Steve Davenport All rights reserved from The Literary Review=20 Reprinted by Verse Daily=AE with permission Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=3Dsubscribe&id=3D1=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:27:41 -0700 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Baratier Subject: Favorite News story of the week! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is an exact reprint of the intro ----------- Palin lawyer meets with investigator in probe By MATT VOLZ 23 minutes ago ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP)- Less than a week after balking at the Alaska Legislature's investigation into her alleged abuse of power, Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire. ------------ Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org Subscribe to our e-mail listserv at http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:05:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Aaron Shurin & Anne Waldman with Ambrose Bye at Small Press Traffic 9/26/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Small Press Traffic is thrilled to present: Aaron Shurin & Anne Waldman with Ambrose Bye Friday, September 26th 7:30 p.m. Timken Lecture Hall Refreshments will be served Join us! Aaron Shurin's new book is King of Shadows, a collection of narrative essays, just out from City Lights. Other books include Involuntary Lyrics (Omnidawn, 2005), A Door (Talisman House, 2000) and The Paradise of Forms: Selected Poems (Talisman House, 1999). His honors include National Endowment, California Arts Council, and San Francisco Arts Commission literary fellowships. A longtime Bay Area educator, he directs and teaches in the MFA Writing Program at the University of San Francisco. Anne Waldman is an internationally celebrated poet, performer, professor, editor and cultural/political activist and the author, most recently of Red Noir (Farfalla, McMillen & Parrish), In the Room of Never Grieve (Coffee House Press), Structure of the World Compared To A Bubble (Penguin Poets), and Outrider (La Alameda Press). She also co-edited The Angel Hair Anthology and Civil Disobediences: Poetics and Politics in Action. She founded (with Allen Ginsberg and Diane diPrima) the Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics at the Naropa University in Boulder, the first Buddhist-inspired school in the western hemisphere. Her CDs include Battery: Live at Naropa and The Eye of The Falcon (with Ambrose Bye) and Matching Half (with Ambrose Bye & Akilah Oliver). She has participated in festivals in Berlin, Wuhan, (China), and Mumbai in the past year. Forthcoming: Humanity/Manatee, and the complete Iovis trilogy. Ambrose Bye, musician (keyboard, guitar, voice) and composer, son of poets Anne Waldman and Reed Bye, grew up in the environment of The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics at Naropa University, counting Allen Ginsberg and William Burroughs as "poetic" godfathers. He graduated from The University of California, Santa Cruz and has studied at the music/production program at the Pyramind Institute in San Francisco. He has performed on stage with Anne Waldman and Bob Holman in New York's Issue Project Room in a program that included Steve Buscemi reading form the work of William Burroughs and accompanied Anne Waldman at The Boulder Theatre's "Music and Poetry for Progressives" headlined by Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth, and Jello Biafra. He is working on new project which includes the poet Amiri Baraka. At SPT, Anne Waldman and Ambrose Bye will perform selections of Matching Half, their exciting 2008 CD with poet-performer Akilah Oliver, which mixes poetry and experimental music. These original compositions & soundscapes bring a new dynamic to "spoken word." Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to current SPT members and CCA faculty, staff, and students. There's no better time to join SPT! Check out: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/supporters.htm Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of the Arts 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin). Directions & map: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/directions.htm We'll see you Fridays! _______________________________ Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org www.smallpresstraffic.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:39:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: Political Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For sale colonizations and migrations, sports, fairylands and incomparable = comforts, and the noise and the movement and the future they make!=0A=C2=A0= =0AFor sale the application of calculations and the incredible leaps of har= mony. Discoveries and terms never dreamed of,--immediate possession.=0A=C2= =A0=0AWild and infinite flight toward invisible splendors, toward intangibl= le delights--and its maddening secrets for every vice--and its terrifying g= aiety for the mob.=0A=C2=A0=0AFor sale, the bodies, the voices, the enormou= s and unquestioned wealth, that which will never be sold. Salesmen are not = at the end of their stock! It will be some time before travelers have to tu= rn in their accounts.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: David-= Baptiste Chirot =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.E= DU=0ASent: Monday, 22 September, 2008 10:12:00 PM=0ASubject: Re: Political = Poetry=0A=0AI would take issue with the statement that "poets are generally= banned from conservative societies."=C2=A0 Poets are just as likely to be = banned from "progressive societies;"=C2=A0 it is not whether a State is "co= nservative" or "progressive" that determines the banning, but whether or no= t the poet is, and how strongly the poet is, opposed to the State.=C2=A0 A = strongly Anarchist poet, for example, would be one quite possibly banned by= either and/or both States, simply by being opposed to The State. =0A=0ASom= one related to someone in the State bureaucracy simply might not like the p= oet for some obscure reason--and so--boom!--out they go!--banned with al th= eir manuscripts--politics can be "very personal" after all, and have nothin= g to do with "right" or left" other than which of the poet's hand's being t= he writing hand is the one that gets cut off. =0A=0AFor example, consider t= he poetic alliance which Drs Marjorie Perloff and Charles Bernstein have be= gun with academics of poetry programs in China, following a symposiumon re = Language Poetry in China.=C2=A0 As is well known, China bans manys of its "= progressive" poets, and many are driven into exile in the West.=C2=A0 The C= hinese have also suppressed the culture of the Tibetan people, as well as e= xpressions of a spiritual nature by Chinese citizens.=C2=A0 This "problemat= izes" the issue of labeling as "conservative"/"progressive" both States and= poetry Schools/"Movements"=C2=A0 in relation with the issue of "banning po= ets" and poetries.=0A=0AThe same can be said in a way with this issue of th= e advisors--in a sense, all of them are, including al the candidates, alrea= dy part of the system which has led to this immense disaster, because none = of them have done anything to avert what has been visible for years now as = a down bound train wreck of collasal proportions.=C2=A0 And why not?=C2=A0 = Perhaps because everyone has cynically bet on just what is happening--that = the Government, that hated and reviled Enemy of the Free Market, will step = in finally and rescue the privatized world with public funds raised off the= backs of--yes--the labor of those citizens who actually pay taxes, as comp= ared to the two thirds of the corporations who do not.=C2=A0 =0A=0AIncreasi= ngly, economic and foreign policy have nothing at all to do with "advisors,= " or perhaps even "Presidents," but ever more to do with the lobbyists and = corporations and their associates who run the actual show.=C2=A0 One of the= head honchos of the McCain campaign is a top lobbyist for the country of G= eorgia, whose President went to Columbia University, and who banned the Fre= e Press and fired on demonstrators in his "democracy."=C2=A0 The US just ga= ve a billion buckaroos to this "goodl old boy" quicker than you can say "Nu= ke them Rooskies."=C2=A0 Even though it's illegal, you can get a big ole ta= x break for sending money to the illegal Israeli "settlements," which have,= not suprisingly, doubled in size since the promise last November at Annaop= olis=C2=A0 by the Israeli government=C2=A0 to halt further construction.=C2= =A0 Under such circumstances, it's easy to see why tryiong to create a "com= prehensive" economic and foreign policy" that can possible be held "account= able" by anonyone to anything or anyone is next toi impossible. =0A=0ARemember the = huge outcry when Dubai had tried to purchase the Security Operations of US = Ports?=C2=A0 My God!=C2=A0 Can't have any of those Arabs protecting our por= ts!=C2=A0 (Which to this day, as is constantly pointed out, are still pract= ically unprotected from the simplest of Terrorist Attacks.) Oh no--some Ame= rican companies were destined for this task.=C2=A0 But guess where Vice-Pre= sident Cheney's old pals at Haliburton have relocated their World head quar= ters to from Texas? Why,=C2=A0 Dubai, of course.=C2=A0 Turns out it's just = much safer there. =0A=0AOn Democracy Now this morning I heard that some Ame= rican Troops are being "sent home"--not however to "go home," but to be "re= deployed" as "security forces" within the USA.=C2=A0 Yes--Armed Forces who = are now being put at the ready to "manage" any "domestic incidents. "=C2=A0= The=C2=A0 Armed Forces will be facing down American civilians, as well as = al those "illegal aliens" and "enemy combattants" among the "detinees" held= within the borders of the USA.=C2=A0 =0AThe Programs which were last used = during World War Two in which local citizenry, police, fire workers, medica= l personel were mobilized and trained as "under cover" agents, to surveil a= nd collect information on the populace and report on any "suspicious person= s and developments" are being reinstituted.=C2=A0 The powers of the Office = of the president have been extended to the point of a God like Omniscience-= -the President now can proclaim any person any where in the world an enemy = comabttant or person of interest and have them detaineed indefinetly.=C2=A0= =0A=0AThe one "saving grace" for the American economy has been that Arms s= ales in the last few years have risen at rates that are beyond belief.=C2= =A0 It has gotten to the point in the last several years that Congress has = openly authorized sales that are illegal under US Law--without hardly any o= utcry at all from their fellow members or the press.=C2=A0 =0A=0AThe US has= begun a major buildup of Special Forces in Colombia, as well as more cover= t ones in Bolivia and Paraguay. Special Ops are being deployed agin to old = stations that had been abondoned in the Far East and South East Asia, as we= ll as the Phillipines and Malayasia, Indonesia.=C2=A0 Missiles deployed in = Eastern Europe, the immesnse Naval blockade building in the Gulf area--and = for the first time ever, American forces stationed in israel, if only so fa= r for now as technicians aiding with the installment and management of new = radar systems.=C2=A0 =0A=0AThe "right War" being launched INTO Afghanistan = FROM within Pakistan--evidence that the "Surge" was in actuality an ethnic = cleansing of Sunni neighborhoods--the potential attack on Iran--Palestine, = Lebanon, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Congo, Darfur, Zimbabwe, Rwanda, South= Africa--Nigeria--Algeria--=0A=0AAnd all those arms being shipped out!=0A= =0AWill any of them be used to pay for the bail outs?--!!!--??=0A=0AHow man= y millions of cluster bombs, bombers and missiles to pay off Fanny Mae's ba= kruptcy for example?--=0A=0AInstead of paying others for worthless detainee= s housed for ever at US expense in Gitmo--why not just start some serious k= indapping for ransom of World Leaders to be held in these high tech hell ho= les?--=0A=0AHow many subprimes might be resuced for the hide of a Sarkozy d= o you think?=C2=A0 Or him and his wife considered as buy one get one for fi= fty per cent off deal?=C2=A0 Hey?--How much for the two Birtish Prinbces?= =C2=A0 For Putin?--For the Chinese Foriegn Minister?=C2=A0 The Head of Univ= ersal Studios?=C2=A0 For Steven Spileberg?=0A=0AHow much would al that hero= in the US could control in Afghanistan be worth?=0A=0AThink about it!=C2=A0= Be resourceful!!=C2=A0 Who'd like to buy Mount Rushmore?=C2=A0 It's only a= bunch of carved rocks after all!=C2=A0 Want to buy the Alamo?=C2=A0 How ab= out John Wayne's remains?=C2=A0 Graceland?=C2=A0 The White House?=C2=A0 The= West Wing is for rent by the day the wrek or the month--=0A=0AThe library = of Congress?=C2=A0 The original document of the Declaration of Independence= ? Cape Canaveral?=0A=0AWant to buy some endangered species to protect? How = about some Polar Bears or some wolves before Sarah Palin gets them all--=0A= =0AWhy not?=C2=A0 A Fire Sale--a White Sale--An Elephant Sale!=C2=A0 A Pres= ident's Day Sale!=C2=A0 A Post Election Special!!=0A=0AOne "hopes" that Sen= ator Obama will listen to himself as he was before this campaign began, for= get all the advisors and pollsters, the lobbyists and speech writers and re= flect far more on what he worked as and thought about just a couple years a= go.=C2=A0 This is probably impossible until AFTER being elected--but--who k= nows--=0A=0Aif Jimmy Stewart can do it in the 1930's Leo McCarey movies--= =0Aisn't it still possible--to bring back those hopes as the New Depression= nears--??=0A=0Aor do all those old hopes simply belong to Ted Turner's TCM= cable channel anymore!!--=0A"To build a new society in the shell of the ol= d"=0AIWW slogan=0Ahttp:/davidbaptistechirot.blogspot.com=0A=0A=3D=3D=0A=0A= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Grasping at Straws=0A=0A=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 By Mike Whitney =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If Paulson is not removed and his rescue plan = scrapped altogether; the =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 dollar will lose its positio= n as the world's reserve currency and the US =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 governme= nt will face a historic funding crisis as foreign sources of capital =0A=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 dry up. That will thrust the country into a hyper-inflation= ary depression.=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.in= formationclearinghouse.info/article20828.htm=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Paulson Bailout Plan a Historic Swindle =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 By Wil= liam Greider=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Financial-mar= ket wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think th= ey have =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 successfully stampeded Washington into accept= ing the Wall Street Journal =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 solution to the crisis: d= ump it all on the taxpayers. =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20823.htm=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A= =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 What's Really Bankrupt=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The Wall Street Model: Unintelligent Design=0A=0A=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 By PAM MARTENS=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 There is no sincere plan by this administratio= n to help America or =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Americans. There is only a plan = to slow the financial collapse until after =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the Novemb= er elections by throwing a politically palatable amount of money =0A=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 at it and a plan to continue to blame it on a housing bust. = =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.informationcleari= nghouse.info/article20826.htm=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 =3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Financial Ba= ilout:=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 America's Own Klept= ocracy=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The largest transfo= rmation of America's Financial System since the =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Great= Depression=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 By Michael Hud= son=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Nobody expected indust= rial capitalism to end up like this.=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20822.htm=0A=0A= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The Dog Days Of September=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 By Gary Corseri=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A= =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 We can no longer claim to live in "the land of the fr= ee and the home of the =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 brave." There is nothing free = here except the "free-market" our corporate =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bosses ha= ve foisteed on us and the rest of the world to open up foreign =0A=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 markets to our brand-name companies so that foreign workers can m= ake =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 products that "Americans" will buy at exorbitant = prices. How did that =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 happen? Hypnosis through the mas= s media that "Americans" were supposed to =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 own-hypnosi= s through repetition, spectacle, diversion. =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20825.htm= =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Popular Scams of the Rich ansd Famous= =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 By: Richard Backus=0A=0A= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The federal government has been= playing footsie with fascism for quite a =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 long time, = supported only by the inability of the general public to =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 recognize it. Ecclesiastic appointments, corporate management, charity,= =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "brain trust" ,foundations, university appointments,= and even scholarship =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 awards are controlled by politi= cal elites, with the consequent assurances =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 that these= appointees will play ball with the politicians and their =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 "sponsors". The Pols now essentially control everything under the di= rection =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 of the rich and famous. =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2= 0827.htm=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In Hard Times, Tent Cities R= ise Across the Country=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 By = AP=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since foreclosure mess,= homeless advocates report rise in encampments. =0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20810= .htm=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:= 30:36 -0700=0A> From: wlloyd818@YAHOO.COM=0A> Subject: Re: Political Poetry= =0A> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> =0A> Sounds like your re-stating = the major Republican talking points from the MSM. Why not add to them-- the= fact that Franklin Raines has released a statement claiming he in no capac= ity=C2=A0 was ever an OBAMA advisor-- never the less one whom he will seek = economic advice from. The people to connect to OBAMA are his ACTUAL advisor= s: Robert Rubins, Paul Volcker and Lawrence Summers, all Ex-Clinton advisor= s. So if you like the 5.7 trillion dollar surplus that they left VS the tri= ckle down hoax of the far right one might want to look beyond the FOX NEWS = MSM talking points. Certainly if yuo'd like our libraries sensored maybe th= e whole faux connection between Franklin Raines might be appealing or the J= im Johnson connection might be even more appealing but tell the whole truth= ... He was fired as soon as his position became known. =0A> =0A> Its strang= e to have to mention here but, uh... the poets are generally banished from = conservative societies. =0A> =0A> "The Stars are eating"=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Artaud=0A> =0A> =0A> ---= On Sun, 9/21/08, Troy Camplin wrote:=0A> =0A> > Fr= om: Troy Camplin =0A> > Subject: Re: Political Poetr= y=0A> > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > Date: Sunday, September 21, = 2008, 12:54 AM=0A> > Two of Obama's main economics advisors, Franklin Raine= s=0A> > and Jim Johnson (who resigned back in June due to some of=0A> > thi= s scandal being brought to light), were former CEOs of=0A> > Fannie Mae. Ra= ines was even fired from his position at=0A> > Fannie Mae. And no wonder, s= ince he overstated earnings by=0A> > 50% during his tenure. Considering the= situation they put=0A> > their company in (and, yes, it was them as well a= s those in=0A> > charge during the collapse who are responsible for the=0A>= > collapse), should anybody be taking advice from them about=0A> > anythin= g regarding the economy? I mean, they did such a=0A> > bang-up job with Fan= nie Mae. =0A> > =0A> > "Property Records Show Mr. Johnson Has Received More= =0A> > Than $7 Million In Loans From Countrywide Since 1998, The=0A> > Firs= t Coming In The Waning Days Of His Fannie Mae=0A> > Tenure" (Glenn R. Simps= on and James R. Hagerty,=0A> > "Countrywide Friends Got Good Loans," The Wa= ll=0A> > Street Journal, 6/7/08). Ironically, those loans seem to=0A> > hav= e been "subprime." Certainly they were loans=0A> > made directly by the CEO= of Countrywide. Now, does this=0A> > necessarily mean something sketchy wa= s going on? Of course=0A> > not. But it seems there's a pretty tangled web = involving=0A> > the mortgage market, its collapse, and Obama (who also=0A> = > received a pretty good deal on a house, as I recall).=0A> > Countrywide, = by the way, has been one of the companies at=0A> > the center of the mortga= ge market breakdown. So two of=0A> > Obama's advisors were involved in crea= ting the very=0A> > mortgage crisis Obama is trying to use to his political= =0A> > advantage. More, they made millions off of running Fannie=0A> > Mae = into the ground, and have used that money=0A> >=C2=A0 to try to get Obama e= lected.=0A> > =0A> > Did I mention that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were maj= or=0A> > donors to ACORN, who is currently engaged in voter fraud in=0A> > = Michigan and Ohio (odd how voter fraud is constantly=0A> > associated with = them), and that Obama worked for ACORN? I=0A> > did? Seems like an interest= ing -- important? -- connection.=0A> > But don't worry, that's just one mor= e thing for the=0A> > MSM to ignore.=0A> > =0A> > Troy C amplin=0A> > =0A> = > =0A> > ----- Original Message ----=0A> > From: Stephen Vincent =0A> > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0A> > Sent: Saturday, S= eptember 20, 2008 7:09:47 PM=0A> > Subject: Political Poetry=0A> > =0A> >= =C2=A0 "Opening up the health insurance market to more=0A> > vigorous=0A> >= nationwide competition, as we have done over the last=0A> > decade in=0A> = > banking, would provide more choices of innovative products=0A> > less=0A>= > burdened by the worst excesses of state-based=0A> > regulation."=0A> > J= ohn McCain -=C2=A0 Contingencies (Magazine) Date? =0A> > =0A> > Priceless O= bama campaign discovery - shear poetry of a=0A> > double-edged sort.=C2=A0 = Only major complication is that Obama is=0A> > going to have to inherit thi= s mess! It must be now a=0A> > foregone conclusion that George Bush is the = most=0A> > catastrophic President of this country, ever! Sarah Palin =3D = =0A> > the ultimate footnote to the whole debacle.=0A> > =0A> > As to the s= ite of 'real' poetry in the middle of=0A> > this disaster?? =0A> > Well, of= the most recent moment,=C2=A0 Anselm Berrigan read at=0A> > the Small Pres= s Traffic last night here in San Francisco -=0A> > that was full of two bla= ded lines that cut to the collapsing=0A> > core. & not without the relief o= f some bitter-sweet=0A> > humor. Thank you, Anselm!=0A> > =0A> > Stephen V= =0A> > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > = =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A> > The P= oetics List is moderated & does not accept all=0A> > posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:29:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Pierre Joris Subject: New Nomadics Blog Posts Comments: To: Britis-Irish List Comments: cc: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Check out these recent posts on NOMADICS: Symposium on Literary Translation Republiconomics Edouard Glissant @ 80 Technicians of the Sacred Celebration III Technicians of the Sacred Celebration II Technicians of the Sacred Celebration I Beat Prophecy ENJOY & Comment! Pierre ================================================= "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) ================================================= For updates on readings, etc. check my current events page: http://albany.edu/~joris/CurrentEvents.html ================================================= Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 71 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10 email: joris@albany.edu http://pierrejoris.com Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com ================================================= ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:41:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charlotte Mandel Subject: Re: Please - need help with interpreting this image - thanks - In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Alan, I forwarded your request to my knowledgeable friend Maxine Levy who offers this interpretation of the pictures: She writes: "Just some first thoughts. It says it is a Haggadah from Vilna, however, it appears to picture a seder being interrupted by priests from the Inquisition. Maybe there were some Sephardic Jews in Vilna who wanted to remember the expulsion of their ancestors??? The picture seems to include Eliyahu Hanovee passing over the seder in his chariot. Maybe they are trying to depict the suffering of the Jews as a sign that the arrival of the Messiah will come soon to save them." Have you received any more answers? Alan, have a sweet new year (b/c if you'd like my poem "Psalm for Rosh Hashonah" which is in my new collection ROCK VEIN SKY). Charlotte On Sep 22, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: Need help with picture interpretation. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:37:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Barrett Watten Subject: The Grand Piano reads in Detroit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable College for Creative Studies-Center Galleries, Detroit hosts The Grand Piano Steve Benson, Carla Harryman, Lyn Hejinian Tom Mandel, Ted Pearson, Kit Robinson, and Barrett Watten perform an ensemble reading from The Grand Piano: An Experiment in Collective Autobiography San Francisco, 1975=961980 "A vital contribution to the collective memory of the poetry of that=20 period." =97James Sherry "The collective autobiographers are less interested in revising the past=20 and more interested in using the narratives of their history to further=20 contextualize the complex poetics and communal history of that poetics for= =20 the future." =97Rob Fitterman "The Grand Piano is itself a veering off and an investigation and a playing= =20 or experimenting with the materials of language, history, textuality, and=20 temporality, the personal and political, poetry and community." =97Robin=20 Tremblay-McGaw Saturday, October 4, 3 PM The Wendell W. Anderson, Jr., Auditorium Walter B. Ford II Building College for Creative Studies John R & Frederick Douglass Streets, Detroit Followed by a publication party & Grand Piano book display featuring The Grand Piano, part 7 Adorno's Noise by Carla Harryman The Alphabet by Ron Silliman 5 PM, Cass Cafe, 4620 Cass Avenue, Detroit The Grand Piano is an experiment in collective autobiography by ten writers= =20 identified with the rise of Language poetry in San Francisco. It takes its= =20 name from a coffeehouse at 1607 Haight Street in San Francisco where from=20 1976 to 1979 the authors participated in a reading and performance series. For more information, visit the Grand Piano website:=20 http://www.thegrandpiano.org Download flyer:=20 http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/pdfs/grandpianoreading.pdf Free and open to the public Contact CCS-Center Galleries, 313-664-7800 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:32:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: George Bowering Subject: Re: John Ashbery's debut Collage Exhibition Reviewed Comments: To: Catherine Daly In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I was there last week, and found the display of available books to the right of the door on entering. I bought two desirable ones and another at the counter. The people there didn't seem all that strange, though they weren't effusive. On Sep 15, 2008, at 10:37 PM, Catherine Daly wrote: > I would like to ask the list abt. tibor de nagy -- I go there when > I live in > or visit NYC -- but the looks I get are so strange when I react to > the work > and ask for the books and monographs they publish ("have you got > any artist > or poet publications here now? may I buy copies?"), and -- wow, > they are > the books of mine stolen most readily when loaned (i.e., desireable, > unavailable) -- it is odd. > > -- > All best, > Catherine Daly > c.a.b.daly@gmail.com > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check > guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/ > welcome.html > Geo. Harry Bowering, M.A. Fell down in Firenze ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:03:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Documentary & Honors for Grove Press' Barney Rosset: "Publisher Who Fought Puritanism, and Won" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MOVIES=20 =20 | September 24=2C 2008 Publisher Who Fought Puritanism=2C and Won By CHARLES McGRATH The maverick publisher of Grove Press=2C Barney Rosset=2C is the subject of= the documentary =93Obscene.=94 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/movies/24obsc.html?ei=3D5070&emc=3Deta1 Grove=2C New Directions=2C City Lights--their impact both immediately in t= heir initial times of appearance and through decades of time--incalculable-= - The resurrected Victorian erotica that Rosset published=2C with its elabora= te vocabulary of hilariously Gargantuan euphemisms=2C a seemingly "impos= sible" oxymoronic achievement carried off with wild abandon and aplomb=2C = ("Cupid's battering ram" etc etc--)=2C was just as "revolutionary" in its w= ay and many of its effects at the time (late 1950's=2C early 1960's) as th= e many other great texts that Grove "boldy put forth." It's high time this giant of American publishing and cultural history is ho= nored officially and on film! =20 (Notice the writer of the article calls Rosset a "maverick=2C"--an apellati= on he does honor to=2C unlike the current crop of "mavericks" relentlessly = promoted by the Murdoch Empire . . . . ) from the article: "On Nov. 19 Mr. Rosset will receive a lifetime achievement award from the National Book Foundation in honor of his many contributions to American publishing=2C especially his groundbreaking legal battles to print uncensored versions of =93Lady Chatterley=92s Lover=94 and Henry Mill= er=92s =93Tropic of Cancer.=94 He is also the subject of =93Obscene=2C=94 a= documentary by Neil Ortenberg and Daniel O=92Connor=2C which opens on Frid= ay at Cinema Village." _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:26:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Maria Damon Subject: [Fwd: American Literary Translators Assoc Conference] Comments: To: Theory and Writing , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030604000503070205020204" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030604000503070205020204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi all, forgive the doubly embedded email msg, but some of the names on the program schedule–Murat, Matvei, Joyelle, Johannes–are listlings, so. Welcome to Minneapolis, all! and for those on the list and in MPls but not on the program, Hi! maybe we can figure out some kind of gathering. bests, md ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html --------------030604000503070205020204 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="American Literary Translators Assoc Conference.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename*0="American Literary Translators Assoc Conference.eml" Return-Path: X-Original-To: damon001@peridot.tc.umn.edu Delivered-To: damon001@peridot.tc.umn.edu Received: from mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (mta-m2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.96]) by peridot.tc.umn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A54C349C; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lists.umn.edu (lsv-w.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.45]) by mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:11:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] lsv-w.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.45] #+HF+LO+NM+TR X-Umn-Classification: local Received: by LISTS.UMN.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.0) with spool id 5429829 for ENGLFAC@LISTS.UMN.EDU; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:11:13 -0500 Received: from mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (mta-m2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.96]) by lists.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:01:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mta-m2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.96] #+LO+NM+UF+CL (L,-) X-Umn-Report-As-Spam: Received: from [128.101.112.81] (x-128-101-112-81.cla.umn.edu [128.101.112.81]) by mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:01:10 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] x-128-101-112-81.cla.umn.edu [128.101.112.81] #+LO+TS+AU+HN User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <48D93CF6.7060604@umn.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:01:10 -0500 Reply-To: Terri Sutton Sender: English Department Faculty From: Terri Sutton Subject: American Literary Translators Assoc Conference X-To: U of MN English Graduate Office mailing list To: ENGLFAC@LISTS.UMN.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: NOTE: THE DEPARTMENT OF ENGLISH IS CO-SPONSORING THE ALTA CONFERENCE. The ALTA Reception and National Translation Award Celebration on the first day of the conference is free and open to any interested folks: Weisman, 6:30 pm, Thursday October 16. See other details below. Dear Colleagues, I'd like to inform you that the 31st annual conference of ALTA, the American Literary Translators Association, will be held at the Radisson University Hotel on the University of Minnesota Twin Cities campus on October 15 - 18, 2008. The conference will feature panels, readings, a book exhibit, and other events concerned with the art and craft of literary translation. Many leading translators will be taking part-it would be invidious to mention names, but the whole program can be found online at: http://www.utdallas.edu/alta/conference/schedule.html Information on registration, in turn, can be found at: http://www.utdallas.edu/alta/conference/conf_registration.html I want to extend a warm invitation to all those in the academic and literary communities in the Twin Cities who have an interest in literary translation and world literature, to join us for this meeting. Membership in the association is NOT necessary to attend the conference. ALTA conferences are known for their friendly, collegial atmosphere; experienced translators from a broad range of languages mingle easily with novices and with scholars, publishers, and other individuals intrigued by the fascinating problems and practices of translating literary texts. The choice of location for the conference, in turn, was no accident-ALTA is aware of the Twin Cities' rich and varied literary life, and attendees from all around the country and the world are eager to interact with the many translators, writers, researchers, publishers, and lovers of world literature who make Minnesota their home. I hope very much that you will be able to join us for the ALTA conference. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me at: . With best wishes, and hoping to see you at the conference in October, Bill Johnston, Indiana University Conference Chair -- Terri Sutton Informational Representative Department of English University of Minnesota 207 Lind Hall, 207 Church St. SE Minneapolis, MN 55455 612-626-1528 sutt0063@umn.edu ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html --------------030604000503070205020204-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:21:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Chirot Subject: political poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *Update | Hartford: Writers Unite to Keep Twain House Afloat * By BOB TEDESCHI In an 11th-hour effort to raise funds for Mark Twain's home and museum, a reading of the author's work by famous contemporary writers is planned. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/connecticut/21twainct.html?ei=3D= 5070&emc=3Deta1 * this piece from today's NY Times re mark twian's house actually alludes a number of times to the present crisis, as it is not simply the house which is being fought for in terms of survival, but a whole accompanying much mor= e heavily invested in, expensive and proably in a way kind of useless "toruis= t trap" Center and museum complex--far more demanding to be sure in terms of cash and number of visitors than the old twain mansion ever was-- again, a case of totally unnecessary borrowing, spending, building, investing, fundraising and al the frantic rush and fuss associated with one crisis following on another--and --boy! what a rip off, too!--to read that one does not see Mark Twain's REAL WRITING DESK but a REPLICA!!-- "build it and they will come"--but apparently not to this place!--as the article shows, a far less than anticipated attendence at this "complex has made it far less of an investment than it had been sold as--much like al th= e rest of the "can't miss projects" that have been being sold on the Free Market like the ear wax balls some truly brazen dope dealers pass off as rocks of crack cocaine-- (more below re this article--) ** Dear Barry: Many thanks for your quotes from "Soldes" the last piece in Rimbaud's Illuminations!! (i believe that the order of them, at least at one point, i am not sure if this is still true--was created by Felix Feneon-- whose great Novels in three lines came out this year from the NYRB press--) I posted last week the announcement of Tir aux pigeons selection from my ongoing "After Rimbaud's Illuminations"--i reposted the announcement below and also another online address which has more of the pieces and some related visual pieces--there are more scattered about in Otoliths and at my blog also-- and more of a series of visual pieces that are in a sense "with" the "after"-- i was so happy to find your quoting from Rimbaud and not only that from one of my favorite pieces by him--that it inspired me to sit down and write on another piece "after" the Illuminations--which has a few more lines to go now-- * now available, a selection of After Rimbaud's Illuminations After Rimbaud's Illuminations (book)David-Baptiste Chirot Print: $5.00 Download: FREE To think of Rimbaud as a cartographer is in no way a stretch of the imagination. And to think that Chirot has used one of Rimbaud's maps to traverse his memory while simultaneously his dreams, is altogether possible=97and it seems this is what Chirot has done. http://www.lulu.com/content/3882597 - galatearesurrection3.blogspot.com/2006/08/ featured-poet-* david-baptiste-chirot.html* - *"After Rimbaud's Illuminations" with Visual Poems also* * i was inspired in reading them in french as they always seem to me i french to be as though writing with English syntax but using french words, very influenced by his time spent in England--which was actually longer than he spent in Paris--so when one writes in English hearing in one's head French that one hears as being written with English being heard in it while being written in French--it makes for quite a number of "transits"-- not knowing one had to be a US citizen, at one point "John Rimbaud" had applied to join the US Navy, from Germany-- Graham Robb in his superb bio of Rimbaud (made al the more amazing i think in that Robb doesn't really like Rimbaud, yet does such deep research and applies so much detection and thought to him--perhaps this "distance" of no= t liking the poet actually helped in not creating yet another of those books which Etiemble had assembled fifty years ago under the rubric of "le Mythe de Rimbaud"--a tome which surely needs a massive updating!--) Graham Robb also tracks down Rimbaud's posing as an English man in order to flee the Dutch Army he had signed on for in Java--and In England he met far more (exiled) Communards than he had during his brief stay in Paris during the period of the Commune--there was a huge and thriving colony of French exile= s of various political stripes in London for some time--along with Anarchists and others from many other countries and regions-- this piece from today's NY Times re mark Twain's house actually alludes a number of times to the present crisis, as it is not simply the house which is being fought for in terms of survival, but a whole accompanying much mor= e heavily invested in, expensive and probably in a way kind of useless "tourist trap" Center and museum complex--far more demanding to be sure in terms of cash and number of visitors than the old twain mansion ever was-- again, a case of totally unnecessary borrowing, spending, building, investing, fundraising and al the frantic rush and fuss associated with one crisis following on another--and --boy! what a rip off, too!--to read that one does not see Mark Twain's REAL WRITING DESK but a REPLICA!!-- "build it and they will come"--but apparently not to this place!--as the article shows, a far less than anticipated attendance at this "complex has made it far less of an investment than it had been sold as--much like al th= e rest of the "can't miss projects" that have been being sold on the Free Market like the ear wax balls some truly brazen dope dealers pass off as rocks of crack cocaine-- in the last year what a sad parade of writers' houses in trouble!--Poe's house formerly on the outskirts of NYC, Edith Wharton's house in MA, and this mockery of what had been a mockery for many in its own day of what man= y felt was the actual Twain they knew--and perhaps why he could never really write in it-- why do places need al these extra centers and complexes light shows multi screen tours of the faked up non reality reality show versions of writer's lives--other than to generate cash out of a veneration for--what?-- for the dollar--which they see as the crowning glory of some of these writers--they are "still today big sellers"-- though Poe was not protected by copyright, there being none in those days--and so though producing a massive hit song a mega platinum hit so to speak, with "The Raven"--he only saw a few dollars for it-- still, this desire to turn everything into a theme park-- as Poe foresaw in "Morning on the Wisahicon" with its eerie and uncannily disturbing simulation of an "American" "wildenress"-- after all, when the writer lived there, it didn't look like a literary version of Disneyland-- and some writers who made enough money to buy a lot of bric-a-brac for thei= r fancier places as they rose through the ranks--had terrible taste!--so at least provide one with a kind of museum of the more awful aspects of the culture of the nouveau riche--an anarkeyological vision of quick cash converted into "instant classics" which turned into "unplanned obsolete" objects--along with many an "eternal and classical verite" that turned out to be as hollow as a drinking man's wooden leg-- Balzac, for example, who wrote what Karl Marx felt to be the magnum opus an= d dissection no pareil of Capitalism, La Comedie humaine--could write such incredible intricate and beautiful descriptions, that he sold himself on purchasing the worst crap in the world--simply by seeing it through his pen's eye as it were, rather than with the pair in his head-- or Zola--who wrote that novel of painters which drove his ever after former lifelong closest friend Cezanne to despair, L'Oeuvre, --yet another feng shui pusher about of the worst heaps of late 19th Century objects no longe= r even dimly remembered----like Meisonnier--the most famous and highest price= d painter of the latter 19th century who was not even mentioned in a two volume history of French painting 40 years later-- or his equivalent in poetry--the Englishman Martin Tupper, who just missed being named Poet Laureate (narrowly passed over for Tennyson) and who was for a while was the best selling English poet of al time, and the first to make over a million US dollars--and forgotten before he died, all his works out of print, penniless, due to bad investments, which he had a gift for, just like Twain and Balzac (the great artist of Capital in life was a fool with it), and Dostoevsky, the gambler-- one wonders if the makers of these "complexes" couldn't have learned from the actual histories of the lives of the writers whom they propose to "celebrate" as "prophets" in order to "profit" from-- that there isn't much of a "profit" really involved with their lives!-- but then perhaps they have become too confused, as so many banks, investors= , economists and the rest are, between fact and fiction, life and art, betwee= n the number of copies printed and the number of them actually sold--and an endless laundry list of other practical discrepancies that get lost in the haze of the Opium smoke and mirrors of Capital run amok--rooting and grunting like specially trained pigs sent out after truffles where in fact none have have ever been known to exist--and forced to try to convince themselves that perhaps the root of a dandelion may have a powerful value a= s yet unknown, beyond the mere making of dandelion wine-- perhaps everything has become so confused that it no longer simply that "signs are taken for wonders" as Marx wrote, but that persons now take thei= r own signs as wonders, those signs by which they convince themselves of the wonders which others are convincing them of, so that in order to "play the game" one is not simply a fool of an other, but has been fooling oneself very deeply also, and maybe or not knowing this, somewhere down inside, tha= t is , that one is betraying oneself in order to enable others to reach their objectives which they have sold you on as a pipe dream and for all one knows an alaska pipe line pipe dream!! thanking you again very much Barry-- david-bc Update | Hartford: Writers Unite to Keep Twain House Afloat * By BOB TEDESCHI In an 11th-hour effort to raise funds for Mark Twain's home and museum, a reading of the author's work by famous contemporary writers is planned. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/connecticut/21twainct.html?ei=3D= 5070&emc=3Deta1 now available, a selection of After Rimbaud's Illuminations After Rimbaud's Illuminations (book)David-Baptiste Chirot Print: $5.00 Download: FREE To think of Rimbaud as a cartographer is in no way a stretch of the imagination. And to think that Chirot has used one of Rimbaud's maps to traverse his memory while simultaneously his dreams, is altogether possible=97and it seems this is what Chirot has done. http://www.lulu.com/content/3882597 - galatearesurrection3.blogspot.com/2006/08/ featured-poet-* david-baptiste-chirot.html* - *"After Rimbaud's Illuminations" with Visual Poems also* =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:51:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Cinader Mims Subject: L&BH Network Radio and Television Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Poets, If you visit Listen & Be Heard Poetry Cafe Blog at http:// www.listenandbeheard.net/home you will find that we are now hosting a poetry television channel and a weekly radio show that includes poetry. These new developments mean that there are more ways available for you to participate. Each day a new poetry video will be added to the start of the poetry loop that is part of the programming of Listen & Be Heard Network Television. If you have produced a poetry video which you would like to have featured, you may submit the url: to editor@listenandbeheard.net. We will be producing a live video open mic for the channel in the future. In order to participate in the video open mic will need access to a computer, video camera and an internet connection. More information will be coming about that soon. In the meantime, please be sure to submit whatever video content that you would like to have aired on our poetry channel. Every Tuesday night is now a radio open mic night, when I will be hosting an hour long arts show featuring arts news, storytelling, radio drama and poetry. This is a move away from having a different suject matter each week, to a magazine format that features everything every week. You can find the schedule and click to listen at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/listenandbeheard. You can call in between 8 and 9pm (California, USA time) to kick a poem at 718-506-1481. There is also a click to talk feature on the web page. You can send url's to soundfiles for the Radio show to editor@lisltenandbeheard.net or send your cd or dvd to L&BH Network, 1221 Monterey St. suite 4, Vallejo, CA 94590. We also continue to publish the Poem of the Day for which we are always seeking submissions, http://www.listenandbeheard.net/home/wp- admin/post-new.php and welcome your query about a poetry column. Wishing you Peace and Poetry Martha Cinader Mims Martha Cinader Mims Listen & Be Heard Network editor@listenandbeheard.net http://www.listenandbeheard.net Get Skype and call me for free. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:23:00 -0700 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Oct 3rd: 4000 WORDS 4000 DEAD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 4000 WORDS 4000 DEAD street performance by Jennifer Karmin Friday, October 3rd Chicago, IL 5pm beginning in front of the Vietnam War Memorial at Wabash and Wacker Avenues along the Chicago River Jennifer Karmin has been collecting 4000 WORDS for the 4000 DEAD Americans in Iraq. All words are being used to create a public poem. During street performances, she gives away these words to passing pedestrians. Submissions are ongoing as the Iraq War continues and the number of dead grows. Send 1-10 words with subject 4000 WORDS to jkarmin@yahoo.com. "I want to start with the milestone today of 4,000 dead in Iraq. Americans. And just what effect do you think it has on the country?" -- Martha Raddatz, ABC News' White House correspondent to Vice President Dick Cheney Participants include: Harold Abramowitz, Amanda Ackerman, Manan Ahmed, Michael Basinski, Charles Bernstein, Anselm Berrigan, Laynie Browne, Teresa Carmody, Maxine Chernoff, Catherine Daly, Patrick Durgin, Arielle Greenberg, Kate Greenstreet, Carla Harryman, David Hernandez, Jen Hofer, Pierre Joris, Matthew Klane, Toni Asante Lightfoot, Joyelle McSweeney, Philip Metres, Vanessa Place, Susan Schultz, Juliana Spahr, Stacy Szymaszek, Joshua Marie Wilkinson, Andrew Zawacki, and many more. Sponsored by: the Chicago Calling Arts Festival http://www.chicagocalling.org Chicago Artists Month http://www.chicagoartistsmonth.org Poets & Writers http://www.pw.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:14:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Susan Lewis Subject: new chapbook by Susan Lewis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1253 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Available now from Finishing Line Press: "Animal Husbandry" by Susan = Lewis. Coming to bookstores and Amazon.com in late November.=20 =93Animal Husbandry is an accomplished set of playful and bracing poems. = The temperature rises with feverish melodic articulations of ironies and = transpositions. Emoticons express passion with rare pleasure, folded into = the practice of breeding, this time with lines of verse.=93Dots dance on = paper,/molecules bump, so listen=94 to these coy, funny and haunting = poems.=94 =20 = =97Norma Cole =93I am grateful for the generous beauty of this collection. Language = informs the remarkable poems it contains as much as the sensuous truths = that attend the memory of experience. Because of this, and the lyrical = skill that gracefully unites them, they are possessed of a startling and = passionate clarity.=94 = = =97Chuck Wachtel =93Animal Husbandry=94 is a playful and rigorous rediscovery of poetry's = ability to make linguistic conceptual abstraction into sensory experience, = and vice versa. It invites readers to share not only the intellection but = also the affective energies of its sung queries about how the "all this = too much we know now" suffuses our erotic, political, and parental lives. = These poems orchestrate tone, melody, rhythm, and syntax to bring across = the urgency of their nuanced questioning about matters stretching from our = origin as a species to all too recent political catastrophes. With their = gift for formal and stylistic compression, for condensation laced with = startling shifts of speed and sound, these poems transform the necessary = limitations of the coin of the realm into the making of virtuoso turns on = a dime. --Robert Kaufman, University of California, Berkeley This is a limited edition collection, featuring cover art by Melissa = Stern. Pre-publication sales will determine the press run, so please = reserve your copy now. Please note that if you place your order before = October 24, 2008, shipping is FREE. Books will be shipped after November = 26, 2008. To order, mail payment and completed form to Finishing Line = Press at the address below, or purchase online at www.finishinglinepress.co= m (click on =93New Releases=94). And check out the author's website: www.susan--lewis.com. ___________________________________________________________________________= __ Please send me ____ copy(ies) of Animal Husbandry, by Susan Lewis, at = $14.00 each (with a $2.00 shipping fee added for orders after October 24, = 2008). 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:57:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: "are we supposed to hate Hires rootbeer, love it, or hate ourselves for loving it?" (Ashbery reference) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (with advance apologies to all those who evidently are driven mad by any display of someone's poor research skills): I'm trying to find a really old Ashbery article--not included in Reported Sightings--from the period when he was living in Paris (1958-68 or something like that?) in either Art News or Art International I think--it's a review of a group Pop Art show in Paris, in which he praises Warhol and disparages most of the rest of the show. What I (mis-?) remember is: "Are we supposed to hate Hires root beer, love it, or hate ourselves for loving it? Whichever it is, these polemics need a retread." and also, re Warhol, something about how his paintings "are a meditation on our time and not just a mean reflection of it" (that's probably pretty inaccurate) (also: thanks to the several people who responded with useful clues for tracking down the old POETICS list Ed Dorn cross-fire posts) --Tenney ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:23:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ian Randall Wilson Subject: Episode 200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just posted, Episode 200 of the Mobile Novel project. http://mobilenovel.blogspot.com/ Ian Wilson ? ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:46:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: never mind . . . WAS: "are we supposed to hate Hires rootbeer, love it, or hate ourselves for loving it?" (Ashbery reference) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit never mind . . . sorry for the trouble. found it: "Paris Notes," Art International 7.6 (June 1963): 76-78 it's worth a look! Tenney > -----Original Message----- > From: Tenney Nathanson [mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:57 AM > To: Poetics (poetics) > Subject: "are we supposed to hate Hires rootbeer, love it, or hate ourselves for loving > it?" (Ashbery reference) > > (with advance apologies to all those who evidently are driven mad by any display of > someone's poor research skills): > > I'm trying to find a really old Ashbery article--not included in Reported Sightings-- > from the period when he was living in Paris (1958-68 or something like that?) in > either Art News or Art International I think--it's a review of a group Pop Art show in > Paris, in which he praises Warhol and disparages most of the rest of the show. What > I (mis-?) remember is: > > "Are we supposed to hate Hires root beer, love it, or hate ourselves for loving it? > Whichever it is, these polemics need a retread." > > and also, re Warhol, something about how his paintings "are a meditation on our > time and not just a mean reflection of it" (that's probably pretty inaccurate) > > (also: thanks to the several people who responded with useful clues for tracking > down the old POETICS list Ed Dorn cross-fire posts) > > --Tenney ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:01:58 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: the ottawa small press book fair Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT (the fourteenth anniversary edition!) will be happening Saturday, November 15, 2008 at Jack Purcell Community Centre, Elgin at Gilmour Streets; for further information, check out: http://smallpressbookfair.blogspot.com/2008/09/ottawa-small-press-book-fair-fall-14th.html if you're interested in helping with the distribution of fliers/posters (or have any questions), send rob mclennan an email at az421@freenet.carleton.ca & don't forget the mini-fair (Ottawa-specific) as part of the opening day of this fall's ottawa international writers festival! http://smallpressbookfair.blogspot.com/2008/08/writers-festival-small-press-book-fair.html rob -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project ...novel - white www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:19:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Tuck tail and run... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/mccain;_ylt=Ag1gE8ZscnT5ZzNFoOXnF7as0NUE ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:00:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: ALEXANDRA GRILIKHES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ALEXANDRA GRILIKHES for URCHIN POETRY SERIES PHILADELPHIA IN OCTOBER For ALL details, including poems and links, go to: http://UrchinPoetry.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:04:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: WAVE BOOKS reading for anthology State of the Union... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline State of the Union POETRY READING 10/12/08, 4pm ROBIN'S BOOKSTORE In honor of a new anthology published by Wave Books---*State of the Union: 50 Political Poems*, edited by Joshua Beckman and Matthew Zapruder (Wave, $14.00)---we present a poetry reading in the same spirit: "From rough optimism to sharp criticism, fifty American poets present new work dissecting the current political climate in America. Wide-ranging writers bring their bold and urgent voices to this collection, which includes the work of John Ashbery, Lucille Clifton, Terrance Hayes, Eileen Myles, Reginald Shepherd, CAConrad and John Yau, among many others." Anthology link here: http://www.wavepoetry.com/catalog/66-state-of-the-union?page=&by=new READERS INCLUDE: CAConrad, Dan Featherston, Ish Klein, Sueyeun Juliette Lee, Bill Marsh, Frank Sherlock and Nathaniel Siegel. THERE IS ALSO A 50 DAY COUNTDOWN BLOG CONNECTED TO THE ANTHOLOGY CLICK HERE: http://poetrypolitic.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:22:18 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jesse Glass Subject: Ahadada Books Presents: "Songs and Stories of the Kojiki" translated by Yoko Danno MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is a gracefully translated readers' edition of one of the foundational texts of Japanese culture. For more information please go to www.ahadadabooks.com Available also via SPD. Jess ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:22:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Please - need help with interpreting this image - thanks - In-Reply-To: <5B6DDC6B-CAB6-4B23-8B20-0FDFC26CA0A5@optonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Alan, You have the unique ability to pull consistently amazing images from the internet. Ciao Murat On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Charlotte Mandel wrote: > Alan, > I forwarded your request to my knowledgeable friend Maxine Levy who offers > this interpretation of the pictures: > She writes: > "Just some first thoughts. > It says it is a Haggadah from Vilna, however, it appears to picture a seder > being interrupted by priests from the Inquisition. Maybe there were some > Sephardic Jews in Vilna who wanted to remember the expulsion of their > ancestors??? The picture seems to include Eliyahu Hanovee passing over the > seder in his chariot. Maybe they are trying to depict the suffering of the > Jews as a sign that the arrival of the Messiah will come soon to save them." > Have you received any more answers? > Alan, have a sweet new year (b/c if you'd like my poem "Psalm for Rosh > Hashonah" which is in my new collection ROCK VEIN SKY). > Charlotte > > On Sep 22, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > Need help with picture interpretation. > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:55:39 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Great poet's grave stokes Civil War dispute Comments: To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_re_eu/eu_spain_spain_s_missing (Via Evie Shockley) =09=09 =20 =20 By IAIN SULLIVAN and CIARAN GILES, Associat= ed Press Writers =20 Wed Sep 24, 3:11 AM ET =20 =09=09 =20 =20 VIZNAR, Spain - The tranquil, pine-carpeted hills in this patch of southern Spain hold awful secrets. Now, one of them has been thrust into the spotlight of a still painful accounting of atrocities committed in the Spanish Civil War. =20 _U_45779=3D"";adx_D_45779=3D"http://us.ard.yahoo.co= m/SIG=3D14umcqd9f/M=3D682029.13006041.13215477.1442997/D=3Dnews/S=3D8496239= 5:LREC/_ylt=3DAiSOSfOyFUfo5AHyXyDkM7pbbBAF/Y=3DYAHOO/EXP=3D1222350472/L=3D.= MUG70wNc1hyvYnVRegyxRDzRMLlAUjbemgABvlI/B=3DbIDxS0wNBkY-/J=3D12223432724751= 57/A=3D5485445/R=3D0/*";adx_I_45779=3D""; if(window.yzq_d=3D=3Dnull)window.yzq_d=3Dnew Object(); window.yzq_d['bIDxS0wNBkY-']=3D'&U=3D13fgj3qp8%2fN%3dbIDxS0wNBkY-%2fC%3d682= 029.13006041.13215477.1442997%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d5485445%2fV%3d1'; The dispute has arisen over whether to open the gra= ve of Federico Garcia Lorca, widely considered Spain's best 20th century po= et and playwright. At the start of the 1936-39 war, Viznar, near the ancient city of Granada, became one of many execution grounds for perceived opponents of Francisco Franco, the army general who unleashed the conflict by rising = up against the elected, leftist Republican government. People were rounded up, brought here and shot, their bodies dumped in a rav= ine in unmarked graves =97 all for simply having been considered supporters= of the government. Garcia Lorca was shot along with a schoolteacher named Dioscoro Galindo Gonzalez and two labor union activists =97 Francisco Galadi and Juan Arcolla =97 on Aug. 18, 1936. Their bodies are believed buried near an olive tree near Viznar. Lorca, dead at 38, is best known for tragedies such as "Blood Wedding" and his poetry collections "Poet in New York and "Gypsy Ballads." His work draws on universal themes =97 love, death, passion, cruelty and injustice. Continued here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_re_eu/eu_spain_spain_s_missing _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:52:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: SubText Reading Series : Donato Mancini & Shin-Yu Pai : Oct 1st MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for more info: http://subtextreadingseries.blogspot.com/ best to all autumn=2C Nico Vassilakis =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:21:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Please - need help with interpreting this image - thanks - In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0809242122i60aa0bfbna43de6f00da43e53@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks, it's a book I own, though, or more accureately, am a caretaker of; there is a group of books largely from Vilna at a second-hand bookstore here, most published near the beginning of World War II. - Alan On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Alan, > > You have the unique ability to pull consistently amazing images from the > internet. > > Ciao > > Murat > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Charlotte Mandel wrote: > >> Alan, >> I forwarded your request to my knowledgeable friend Maxine Levy who offers >> this interpretation of the pictures: >> She writes: >> "Just some first thoughts. >> It says it is a Haggadah from Vilna, however, it appears to picture a seder >> being interrupted by priests from the Inquisition. Maybe there were some >> Sephardic Jews in Vilna who wanted to remember the expulsion of their >> ancestors??? The picture seems to include Eliyahu Hanovee passing over the >> seder in his chariot. Maybe they are trying to depict the suffering of the >> Jews as a sign that the arrival of the Messiah will come soon to save them." >> Have you received any more answers? >> Alan, have a sweet new year (b/c if you'd like my poem "Psalm for Rosh >> Hashonah" which is in my new collection ROCK VEIN SKY). >> Charlotte >> >> On Sep 22, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> >> Need help with picture interpretation. >> >> >> >> ================================== >> The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines >> & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:23:22 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rob McLennan Subject: new from above/ground press Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ottawa: A Field Guide by rob mclennan $4 publisht in Ottawa by above/ground press for a reading at the Ottawa Art Gallery, September 25, 2008, as part of the exhibit Evidence: The Ottawa City Project, curated by Emily Falvey. some of these pieces have appeared previously online as a Leaf Press "Monday Poem," as part of a feature on Anny Ballardini's Poet's Corner Fieralingue website, and on the author's own blog. Born in Ottawa, Canadas glorious capital city, rob mclennan currently lives in Ottawa. The author of over a dozen trade books of poetry, fiction and non-fiction, his most recent titles are the novella white (2007), the travel book Ottawa: The Unknown City (2008), the non-fiction titles subverting the lyric: essays (2008) and Alberta dispatch: interviews & writing from Edmonton (2008). An editor and publisher, he runs above/ground press, Chaudiere Books (with Jennifer Mulligan), Poetics.ca (with Stephen Brockwell) and the Ottawa poetry pdf annual ottawater. He recently spent the 2007-8 academic year in Edmonton as writer-in-residence at the University of Alberta, and regularly posts reviews, essays, interviews and other notices at http://www.robmclennan.blogspot.com/ publisht in Ottawa by above/ground press in an edition of 300 copies, September 2008. a/g subscribers receive a complimentary copy. To order, send $4 + $1 for postage, & in Canadian currency; if sending from outside Canada, send in American, payable to rob mclennan, c/o 858 Somerset Street West, main floor, Ottawa, Ontario Canada K1R 6R7; above/ground press subscribers receive (honest!) a complimentary copy; calendar year subscriptions available for $40, & include chapbooks, broadsides, STANZAS magazine & The Peter F. Yacht Club. http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/09/ottawa-field-guide-by-rob-mclennan.html -- writer/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project ...novel - white www.abovegroundpress.blogspot.com * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:15:26 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Tomorrow Night! Bajandas, Grenier, Maxwell, Reines, Shmailo, & Virgil! [+ preview] Comments: To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friday, September 26th @ 7 p.m. - Stain Bar - Williamsburg , Brooklyn=20 =A0=20 ** Bajandas, Grenier, Maxwell, Reines, Shmailo, & Virgil **=20 =A0=20 ~~~~ =A0=20 Photos/Bios here: http://thestainofpoetry.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/friday-september-26-2008-7= 00-pm/ =A0=20 ~~~~ =A0=20 Arpine Konyalian Grenier is a poet turned scientist and musician. Her work has appeared in How2, Columbia Poetry Review, The Iowa Review, Phoebe, Big=20 Bridge , diode and elsewhere, including several anthologies. Part, Part Euphrates (NeO Pepper Press, 2007) is her latest publication.=20 =A0=20 ~~~~ =A0=20 Kristi Maxwell currently lives and writes in Cincinnati . She=92s the author of Realm Sixty-Four (Ahsahta, 2008), Elsewhere & Wise (Dancing Girl Press, 2008), and Hush Sessions (Saturnalia, forthcoming in 2009).=20 =A0=20 ~~~ =A0=20 Alan Bajandas was picked up hitchhiking two days ago by a pain pill-popping Italian-American bounty hunter named Jason. Jason=97a self-professed Wiccan, former Marine sniper, 23-year mixed martial arts mas= ter, widower, and lover of transsexual women=97was on his way to Knoxville, TN t= o persuade his drunk-driving father back to rehab by means of =93a very large firearm.=94 Jason had a heart of pure fucking gold and bought Alan a Smart = Water. Alan was born and raised in Texas and will soon return to Brooklyn where he now resides. He is editor of The Open Face Sandwich, a print annual of uncommon and unpublishable prose.=20 =A0=20 ~~~~ =A0=20 Ariana Reines is the author of The Cow (Alberta Prize, FenceBooks 2006) and Coeur de Lion (Mal-O-Mar 2007). Two volumes of transla= tion will appear in 2009: My Heart Laid Bare by Charles Baudelaire, for Mal-O-Ma= r, and Carnet de bal d=92une courtisane by Griselidis Real, for Semiotext(e). = She is under commission with The Foundry Theatre in New York , making a play that = will premiere in January 2009.=20 =A0=20 ~~~~ =A0=20 Larissa Shmailo=92s new chapbook is A Cure for Suicide (Cervena Barva Press 2008), and new poetry CD is Exorcism (SongCrew 2008). Larissa has been published in Fulcrum, Rattapallax, Drunken Boat, MiPoesias= , and other publications. Larissa translated the Russian Futurist opera Victo= ry over the Sun by A. Kruchenych; a DVD of the original English-language production is part of the collection of the New York Museum of Modern Art. = She also contributed translations to the anthology Contemporary Russian Poetry = published by Dalkey Archive Press. Larissa Shmailo is a director of TWiN Poetry, an informal international collective of recording poets and their listeners an= d a public coordinator for the annual Fulcrum. Her first poetry CD, The No-Net World (SongCrew 2006) has been heard on radio and Internet broadcasts acros= s the U.S. and the U.K. Larissa is listed in the Poetry Kit Who=92s Who in po= etry.=20 =A0=20 ~~~~ =A0=20 Erin Virgil is an MFA student at Naropa University . For money she writes the greetings in campy greeting cards and moonlights a= s a bad secretary. Besides the front page in a Steve McQueen calendar, she has = not published any writing lately.=20 =A0=20 ~~~~=20 =A0=20 stain=20 766 grand street=20 brooklyn, ny 11211=20 (L train to Grand Street ,=20 1 block west)=20 718/387-7840=20 open daily @ 5 p.m.=20 =A0=20 ~~~~=20 =A0=20 Hosted by Amy King and Ana Bozicevic ~~~~ Boog City - Race and Poetry panel =20 Stay tuned for the *complete* audio of the Race and Poetry panel @ PennSoun= d [http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html or on another page (?= ), waiting to hear]. In the meantime, *incomplete* video @ Blip.TV [http:/= /amyking.blip.tv/ - better quality & only 3 long parts] or YouTube [http://= www.youtube.com/user/amyhappens] with 7 shorter videos. Amy _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:03:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jane Sprague Subject: Palm Press: Kristin Palm: NY/PA readings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kristin Palm will read from her work tomorrow night and on 9/30 in = Philadelphia, PA; on 10/3 she will read from her work in Brooklyn, NY.=20 Those of you who live in or near these cities might be interested in = checking out her work. Palm Press published her first full-length = collection of poems, The Straits, earlier this year. KRISTIN PALM: Reading dates Philadelphia, PA: Sept. 26--Center for Architecture, Philadelphia, 6 p.m.=20 1218 Arch Street, Philadelphia, PA The D-Tour: Is Detroit our sister city... or not? Take a virtual tour of Detroit as = Kristin Palm reads from her epic poem and reflects on what other = American cities can learn from Detroit's past and present. Afterwards, = snack on soft pretzels and Detroit's own Vernor's ginger ale. Featuring = Kristin Palm, poet and a regular contributor to Metropolis magazine and = its blog, POV, and Anthony Santaniello, urban planner with the = Philadelphia City Planning Commission. Sept. 30--Robin's Books, Philadelphia, 6 p.m. (with Ethel Rackin) *** New York, NY: Oct. 3--Pete's Candy Store, Brooklyn, 7 p.m. (with Jennifer Firestone = and others) Enjoy, Palm Press =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:55:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Bank failure & book review Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My bank (WAMU) failed yesterday, but what the hell, there's a welcome review of *Organ Harvest with Entrance of Clones* in the online division of the *American Book Review*: http://americanbookreview.org/PDF/LineOnline/Issue29_V6_LineOnLine.pdf Hal McCain / Palin -- Just say thanks but no thanks. They're a bridge to nowhere. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:34:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: olson conference Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Early bird discounted pricing for the Chax Press conference, CHARLES OLSON: LANGUAGE AS PHYSICAL FACT, has been extended through October 1. Please see http://chax.org/olson.htm for information, registration, schedule, etc. For a PDF of the conference poster, see http://chax.org/ olsonconfposter.pdf and for the UA Poetry Center's newsletter article on the conference, see http://poetrycenter.arizona.edu/enewsletter/Sept2008/ enews0808SeptOlson.shtml Some partial scholarships to the conference are also available. Email chax@theriver.com for requests. Thank you! Charles charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:45:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Subject: Chicago Calling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are invited to attend the Third Annual Chicago Calling Arts = Festival!=20 CCAF3 takes place October 1-12, 2008, featuring Chicago-based artists collaborating in performances and projects with artists living in other locations -- both here in the U.S. and abroad. These collaborations will = be prepared or improvised, and some performances will involve live feeds between Chicago and elsewhere.=20 Among the scheduled projects are: a Chicago-based musician/composer collaborating with a composer from the Philippines, Chicago-based poets connecting over the radio with poets from Hawaii, and a Chicago-based musician collaborating with a British visual artist. Venues for CCAF3 = will include Elastic Sound & Vision Gallery, The Velvet Lounge, Black Rock = Pub & Kitchen, Heaven Gallery, Little Black Pearl Art & Design Center, WNUR (Northwestern University), Peter Jones Gallery, 32nd&Urban Gallery, AV-aerie, Caf=E9 Mestizo, and other locations.=20 www.chicagocalling.org =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:21:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project September/October In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-2" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Want to see what the poets in Slovenia are doing these days? Come by The Poetry Project tonight at 10 PM. Also, scroll down to read what we have planned for next week. Friday, September 26, 10 PM Slovene Poetry: Cucnik, Pepelnik, Podlogar, =A9alamun, Skrjanec A book-release celebration with the participation of the following visiting poets from Slovenia: Primoz Cucnik, Ana Pepelnik, Gregor Podlogar, Toma=BE =A9alamun and Tone Skrjanec. A book signing for the second editions of Toma=BE =A9alamun's Poker and Tone Skrjanec's Sun On A Knee. A special chapbook featuring the work of all five poets in English translation comes free with admission. *This event, a collaboration between Ugly Duckling Presse (Brooklyn) and Literatura Magazine (Ljubljana), kicks off a whole weekend o= f Slovene poetry in New York City. Monday, September 29, 8 PM Alec Finlay & Uche Nduka Alec Finlay is an artist, poet and publisher. He was born in Scotland and moved to Newcastle-upon-Tyne in 2002 to be artist in residence at BALTIC Centre for Contemporary Art. He now lives in Byker and has a studio in the Ouseburn Valley. His most recent books are three estates renga (platform projects), what changes change (Redfox), Specimen Colony (Liverpool University Press) and One Hundred Year Star-Diary. Alec is particularly wel= l known for his investigation of poetic forms, such as the mesostic name poem= , haiku and renga, woven poems and sewing circles, circle poems and letterboxing. These forms, often employed in collaborative or anthological projects, are in turn a means to investigate and represent shared consciousness. Recent projects include a residency at Kielder Forest, where Alec created a 100 Year Star-Diary for a new observatory; a long term collaboration with NaREC, the National Centre for Renewable Energy (Blyth), creating colour and text designs for windmill turbines; and a series of projects for the RHS gardens, including a Xylotheque and Dictionary of Imagined Flowers. During a long term residency at Yorkshire Sculpture Park Alec created a number of permanent works, including propogator, Field-Guide and a letterbox walk. Alec's most recent exhibitions are thoughts within thoughts, ARC (Sofia, Bulgaria) and sunbeams giving the air a kiss, Millais Gallery (Southampton, UK). Uche Nduka is a poet, essayist, songwriter and anthologist. Born and raised in Nigeria, he has lived in Holland, Germany and the U.S. He is the author of seven volumes of poems, a book of prose, and is the editor of two anthologies of poetry. Winner of the Association o= f Nigerian Authors Poetry Prize for 1997, some of his writings have been translated into Dutch, German, French and Serbo-Croatian. Until recently, h= e taught literature at the University of Bremen, Germany. His latest volume o= f poems is titled eel on reef (Akashic Books, New York, 2007). Some new poems of his were published in The Recluse and Boog City this year. Nduka presently lives and works in New York City. Wednesday, October 1, 8 PM John Godfrey & Karen Weiser John Godfrey has had nine collections published since 1971, including Dabbl= e (1982), which is now available only from him. In August Wave Books publishe= d City of Corners, made from poems 2002-06. Karen Weiser is a poet and doctoral candidate at the CUNY Graduate Center in English now writing her dissertation on early American novels. Her chapbooks include Eight Positive Trees (Pressed Wafer, 2002), Placefullness (Ugly Duckling Presse, 2004), an= d Pitching Woo (Cy Press, 2006). She has had poems appear in The Chicago Review, The Hat, The Germ, The Brooklyn Rail, The Recluse and other journal= s and zines not beginning with "The." She teaches at Barnard College when not caring for her baby daughter. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $95 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you'd like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.com. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:31:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Carol Novack Subject: FRIDAY, OCT. 10TH, 7-9 pm Mad Hatters' Review Reading, KGB Bar + SUBMISSIONS ARE OPEN for our Mashup Issue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline *FRIDAY, OCT. 10TH, 7-9 pm * Mad Hatters' Review Poetry, Prose & Anything Goes Reading Series Curated & Pickled by Publisher/Editor Carol Novack KGB Bar, 85 East 4th Street, N.Y.C. Featuring *Jonathan Baumbach*, the author of 15 books, including: YOU or the Invention of Memory, B, On the Way to My Father's Funeral, D-Tours, Separate Hours, Reruns, Babble, The Life and Times of Major Fiction, A Man to Conjure With. His short stories have been widely anthologized, including O.Henry Prize Stories and Best American Short Stories. A former chairman of the National Society of FilmCritics, he co-founded Fiction Collective, the first national fiction writers' cooperative in America. *Harold Jaffe*, the author of 14 volumes of fiction and "docufiction," including: Sex for the Millennium, 15 Serial Killers, Jesus Coyote, Terror-dot-Gov, Beyond the Techno-Cave: A Guerrilla Writer's Guide to Post-Millennial Culture, and Eros Anti-Eros. He's the Editor-in-Chief of Fiction International, a yearly journal devoted to innovative and committed writings. Jaffe is also Professor of English and Comparative Literature at San Diego State University. One of his docufictions, and a mutual interview of and by Jaffe and Terese Svoboda, may be found in Issue 10 of Mad Hatters' Review. *Sheila E. Murphy* Her most recent full-length books include Collected Chapbooks (Blue Lion Press, 2008) and Permutoria, visio-textual art with K.S. Ernst (Luna Bisonte Press, 2008). Murphy co-founded and coordinated the Scottsdale Center for the Arts Poetry Series for twelve years. She has engaged in a broad range of poetic styles over nearly three decades of writing and publication. She has also joined forces with many poetic collaborators. Several of her poems may be found in Issue 9. Publications by the authors will be offered for sale by Mobile Libris. For further info, email: madhattersreview@gmail.com (type READINGS in the subject line) _________________________________________ Calling works for an unprecedented mashup of two stately publishing venues: [image: The Mad Hatters' Review & Bunk Magazine] Wedding date: Spring/Summer 2009 Reception: The Mad Bunkers' Mash & Racket Club, Bronx, NY & Somewhere off the L.A. Freeway, date TBA **************** Mashup is the spirit of the day (second only to dementia): Mash a Democrat and a Tory. Mash a Hip Hop CD with Beethoven's Ninth. Mix the movie Dark Victory with a modern Japanese horror movie sound track. Cross eclairs with ecosystems, a Bush speech with a toilet brush. Of course, writers have been mashing for quite some time with their cutups and exquisite corpses. Mashup is what happens when content is no longer king, usurped by the mischievous jester adept at standing on his head and hands, spouting irreverent nonsensical sense, walking with frivolity on ceilings, pirouetting on paradoxes, ridiculing rules and rulers, and turning rapid somersaults -- all for the pleasure of the jester, her audience, and his sagacious self. *[image: in homage]* WE WILL BE OPEN FOR EMAIL SUBMISSIONS ONLY (madbunkers@yahoo.com cc: madbunkers@gmail.com) ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. Deadlines vary according to category. FULL GUIDELINES: http://www.madhattersreview.com/submit.shtml *KEEP THE MAD HATTERS ALIVE! MAKE A TAX DEDUCTIBLE DONATION! * https://www.fracturedatlas.org/site/contribute/donate/580 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:35:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Sheila Murphy Subject: JONATHAN BAUMBACH, HAROLD JAFFE, SHEILA E MURPHY READING 10 10 08 KBG BAR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FRIDAY, OCT. 10TH, 7-9 pm Mad Hatters' Review Poetry, Prose & Anything Goes Reading Series Curated & Pickled by Publisher/Editor Carol Novack KGB Bar, 85 East 4th Street, N.Y.C. Featuring Jonathan Baumbach, the author of 15 books, including: YOU or the Invention of Memory, B, On the Way to My Father's Funeral, D-Tours, Separate Hours, Reruns, Babble, The Life and Times of Major Fiction, A Man to Conjure With. His short stories have been widely anthologized, including O.Henry Prize Stories and Best American Short Stories. A former chairman of the National Society of FilmCritics, he co-founded Fiction Collective, the first national fiction writers' cooperative in America. Harold Jaffe, the author of 14 volumes of fiction and "docufiction," including: Sex for the Millennium, 15 Serial Killers, Jesus Coyote, Terror-dot-Gov, Beyond the Techno-Cave: A Guerrilla Writer's Guide to Post-Millennial Culture, and Eros Anti-Eros. He's the Editor-in-Chief of Fiction International, a yearly journal devoted to innovative and committed writings. Jaffe is also Professor of English and Comparative Literature at San Diego State University. One of his docufictions, and a mutual interview of and by Jaffe and Terese Svoboda, may be found in Issue 10 of Mad Hatters' Review. Sheila E. Murphy Her most recent full-length books include Collected Chapbooks (Blue Lion Press, 2008) and Permutoria, visio-textual art with K.S. Ernst (Luna Bisonte Press, 2008). Murphy co-founded and coordinated the Scottsdale Center for the Arts Poetry Series for twelve years. She has engaged in a broad range of poetic styles over nearly three decades of writing and publication. She has also joined forces with many poetic collaborators. Several of her poems may be found in Issue 9. Publications by the authors will be offered for sale by Mobile Libris. For further info, email: madhattersreview@gmail.com (type READINGS in the subject line) ********************************** ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:01:46 -0700 Reply-To: mccollough71@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Aaron McCollough Subject: New Issue of GutCult MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear GutCult Readers=97 Issue #10 of GutCult is up: http://www.gutcult.com.=A0 We apologize for a s= lowing pace but proudly and gratefully present you with an issue we hope yo= u=92ll find as compelling as the rest.=A0 You will notice that our presenta= tion has altered ever so slightly.=A0 We are now using =93iPaper=94 to deli= ver your texts to you.=A0 We hope this makes the work all the more accessib= le. This issue=92s pretty packed.=A0 In addition to new work by Jon Woodward, J= ennifer Banks, Joseph Lease, Benjamin Paloff, Matthew Cooperman, Caryl Page= l, Joel Craig, Tim Botta, Mark Decarteret, Chad Sweeney, and Brandon Downin= g, we also have an array of poems from members of the Ponzipo collective (K= arla Kelsey, Richard Greenfield, and Susan Maxwell [the collective also inc= ludes me and Arda, but we aren=92t printing our work in the issue]). If that=92s not enough for you...we also offer an essay by Lucy Ives, and b= ook reviews of Joseph Lease, Joyelle McSweeney, Chris Glomski, and Jen Hofe= r. FYI, GutCult HQ remains in Ann Arbor, but our satellite offices have moved = from Jackson Heights to Denver.=A0 This should not change your experience o= f the website.=A0 We hope you have been doing well since we saw you last. Bon Chance- Aaron McCollough & Arda Collins, Editors =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:10:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Glass Subject: With + Stand 2 Comments: To: withplusstand@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline With + Stand is once again honored and excited to announce the publication of its second issue. http://withplusstand.blogspot.com Hitting streets & mailboxes soon: 11 poets 54 pages Spray paint Duct tape Staples Phoebe Wayne Meg Hamill w/ Ted Keller Bill Freind Noah Eli Gordon Francisco Reinking Barry Schwabsky Jen Hofer Anne Boyer Vivek Narayanan Kristen Orser Erica Lewis w/ Mark Stephen Finein Stay tuned. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:11:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: Upcoming Readings, Exhibit, and Journal: Intersections of Experimental Literature and Artists=?windows-1252?Q?=92_?= Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [Please spread the word about these events, and forgive any cross-postings.] JACK KEROUAC'S MANUSCRIPT SCROLL and THE INTERSECTIONS OF EXPERIMENTAL POETRY AND ARTISTS' BOOKS October 3 - November 30, 2008 OPENING RECEPTION: Friday, October 3, 5:30 – 7:30PM GALLERY HOURS: M – F 12 – 7; SA + SU 12 – 5 To celebrate the opening of the exhibit and special issue of the Journal of Artists’ Books on “Intersections of Experimental Literature and Artists’ Books,” readings by poets based in the greater Chicago area and whose works exemplify contemporary experimental poetic practice in the tradition fostered by the small press and artists’ books. Friday, October 3rd, 2008, 6:30 pm Ed Roberson Nathalie Stephens Kerri Sonnenberg Garin Cycholl Ed Roberson is the author of a number of books, including City Eclogue (2006) and the National Poetry Series winner Atmosphere Conditions (1998). Born and raised in Pittsburgh, PA, Roberson has recently taught writing at Columbia College and the University of Chicago. Nathalie Stephens (Nathanaël) writes l’entre-genre in English and French. She is the author of more than a dozen books including The Sorrow And The Fast Of It (Nightboat, 2007), Paper City (Coach House, 2003), Je Nathanaël (l’Hexagone, 2003) and L’Injure (l’Hexagone, 2004). Immminent with Nightboat (2009) is an essay of correspondence entitled Absence Where As (Claude Cahun and the Unopened Book). In addition to translating herself, Stephens has translated Catherine Mavrikakis, Gail Scott, Bhanu Kapil and Édouard Glissant. Kerri Sonnenberg lives and writes in Chicago. She is the author of The Mudra, published by Litmus Press. Garin Cycholl’s recent work has appeared with the Seneca Review, Exquisite Corpse, Free Verse, and PFS Post Avant, and is author of Blue Mound to 161, Nightbirds, and Rafetown Georgics. He teaches writing and literature at the University of Illinois at Chicago and is a visiting lecturer with the Committee on Creative Writing at the University of Chicago. Friday, October 17th, 2008, 6:30 pm Judith Goldman Roberto Harrison Simone Muench Tim Yu Judith Goldman is the author Deathstar/Ricochet (2006) and Vocoder (2001). With Leslie Scalapino, she edits the series of anthologies War and Peace. She teaches at the University of Chicago. Roberto Harrison’s most recent books include Os (subpress, 2006), Counter Daemons (Litmus, 2006) and Elemental Song (Answer Tag Home Press, 2006). He edits Crayon with Andrew Levy and the Bronze Skull Press chapbook series. He lives in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where he hosts the Enemy Rumor reading series. Simone Muench’s last book Lampblack & Ash (2005) received the Kathryn A. Morton Prize for Poetry. She is an editor for Sharkforum, serves on the advisory board for Switchback Books, and was recently named one of New City’s “Lit 50: Who Really Books in Chicago.” Tim Yu is the author of Journey to the West, which won the 2006 Vincent Chin Memorial Chapbook Prize from Kundiman and appeared in Barrow Street. An assistant professor of English at the University of Toronto, his critical book, Race and the Avant-Garde: Experimental and Asian American Poetry since 1965, is forthcoming from Stanford University Press in 2009. The special issue of the Journal of Artists’ Books on “Intersections of Experimental Literature and Artists’ Books” is guest-edited by Craig Dworkin and Kyle Schlesinger. The poetry readings are co-curated by Patrick Durgin and David Pavelich. Dworkin is the editor of Eclipse (http://english.utah.edu/eclipse/) and the author of Parse (Atelos, 2008), Reading the Illegible (Northwestern University Press, 2003), and other books. Schlesinger is the author of The Pink (Kenning Editions, 2008), Hello Helicopter (Bazevox, 2007), and other books. Durgin's most recent publications include Imitation Poems (Atticus/Finch, 2007), a collaboration with book artist John Gerard entitled Relay, and a collaboration with poet-translator Jen Hofer entitled The Route (Atelos, 2008). Pavelich edits and publishes Answer Tag chapbooks and broadsides (http://www.answertaghomepress.com) and his most recent poems and prose can be found in the anthologies A Sing Economy and The City Visible: Chicago Poetry for the New Century. THE COLUMBIA COLLEGE CHICAGO CENTER FOR BOOK AND PAPER ARTS 1104 South Wabash Ave., 2nd floor Chicago, Illinois, 60605-2328 Telephone: 312-369-6630 fax: 312-369-8082 www.bookandpaper.org E-mail: book&paper@colum.edu ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:53:04 -0600 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michelle Naka Pierce Subject: London housing needed Jan-June 09 In-Reply-To: <3f668ff80809211520j65cb6a9tf7712698f71b68a5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all, My partner and I are moving to London in mid-January and are looking for a small furnished flat (studio or one-bedroom) to rent or sublet through mid-June (dates flexible). If you know of anything or have any leads, please drop me an email. Thanks in advance, Michelle Naka Pierce chellenp[at]gmail[dot]com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:16:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Phil Niblock's 75th brithday bash at anthology film archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An Evening in Celebration of Phill Niblock's 75th Birthday ANTHOLOGY FILM ARCHIVES 32 SECOND AVENUE NEW YORK, NY 10003; (212) 505-5181 fax (212) 477-2714 TRIBUTE TO PHILL NIBLOCK Wednesday, October 1 at 7:30 Anthology presents an evening in celebration of intermedia composer, artist and pillar of the downtown arts community Phill Niblock, on the night before he turns 75. A multitude of artists from among the hundreds Niblock has worked with, produced or befriended over his forty-plus-year career in the art and contemporary music world will present brief interventions in tribute to his life and oeuvre. Ranging from live performances in dance, poetry and music, to film and video works, to recorded music or performance, this promises to be a truly one-of-a-kind intermedia night. Participants include many musicians, performers, writers and media artists, among them: Elaine Summers, Gerd Stern, Sally Gross, Sally Silvers + Bruce Andrews, Anne Tardos, Steve Dalachinsky + Okkyung Lee, Yuko Otomo, Jozef Cseres, Thomas Buckner, Jens Brand + Dan Evans Farkas + Ben Manley + Volker Straebel, hans w. koch + Bettina Wenzel, David First + Tom Hamilton, Shelley Hirsch + Ursula Scherrer, Alan Licht + Andrew Lampert, Micheal J Schumacher, Dave Gearey, Jim Staley, David Watson + Matt Welch, Alexandra Dementieva, Esther Venrooy, Robert Poss, Elliot Sharp + Janene Higgins, Chris Mann, Mary Jane Leach, Irina Danilova, Peter Shapiro, Astrid Klein, Katherine Liberovskaya + Al Margolis + Michael Delia ... Organized by Katherine Liberovskaya with help from Al Margolis and Peter Shapiro. To request an image or further information about Phill Niblock, please email Stephanie Gray: publicity@anthologyfilmarchives.org About Anthology Film Archives: Founded in 1970, Anthology's mission is to exhibit, preserve, collect documentation about, and promote public and scholarly understanding of independent, classic, and avant-garde cinema. Anthology screens more than 900 film and video programs per year, publishes books and catalogs annually, and has preserved more than 700 films to date. Directions: Anthology is at 32 Second Ave. at 2nd St. Subway: F or V to 2nd Ave; 6 to Bleecker. Tickets: $8 for adults, $6 for students & seniors; $5 for members. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:42:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: David Kirschenbaum Subject: NYC/Boog City's 2008 Election Night Extravaganza Nov. 4 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ----------------- =20 Boog City=B9s Classic Albums Live presents A 2008 Election Night Extravaganza Tues., Nov. 4, 7:30 p.m. Free with a two-drink minimum Sidewalk Caf=E9 94 Ave. A NYC featuring =20 R.E.M.=B9s Green Live =20 performed by =20 Liv Carrow, Peter Dizozza, Dan Fishback, Casey Holford + Daoud Tyler-Ameen, Phoebe Kreutz, and Ben Krieger =20 =20 Political Poets =20 CAConrad, Vivian Demuth, Eliot Katz, Frank Sherlock, and Nathaniel Siegel =20 and =20 Solo Musical Sets =20 Peter Dizozza and Phoebe Kreutz Hosted and curated by Casey Holford and Boog City editor and publisher David Kirschenbaum =20 Directions: F/V to 2nd Ave., L to 1st Ave. Venue is at E.6th St. =20 For further information: 212-842-BOOG(2664), editor@boogcity.com Performers=B9 bios and websites follow album running order R.E.M., Green =20 *Dan Fishback --Pop Song 89 =20 *Ben Krieger --Get Up --You Are the Everything =20 *Peter Dizozza --Stand =20 *Phoebe Kreutz --World Leader Pretend --The Wrong Child =20 *Liv Carrow --Orange Crush --Turn You Inside-Out =20 *Casey Holford + Daoud Tyler-Ameen --Hairshirt --I Remember California --11th untitled song =20 =20 Bios: =20 **Boog City http://www.welcometoboogcity.com Boog City is a New York City-based small press now in its 17th year and Eas= t Village community newspaper of the same name. It has also published 35 volumes of poetry and various magazines, featuring work by Allen Ginsberg and Lawrence Ferlinghetti among others, and theme issues on baseball, women=B9s writing, and Louisville, Ky. It hosts and curates two regular performance series=8Bd.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press, where each month a non-NYC small press and its writers and a musical act of their choosing is hosted at Chelsea=B9s ACA Galleries; and Classic Albums Live, where up to 13 local musical acts perform a classic album live at venues including The Bowery Poetry Club, Cake Shop, CBGB=B9s, and The Knitting Factory. Past albums have included Elvis Costello, My Aim is True; Nirvana, Nevermind; and Liz Phair, Exile in Guyville. **Liv Carrow http://www.myspace.com/livcarrow =20 Navel gazing, highly biographical, cathartic lyricism, obnoxious punning, moot metaphor, unabashed self-consciousness, and run-on sentences of self-promotion are qualities nary as compelling as in the case of NYC's Liv Carrow. Her songs are like the little animals that your 4-year-old nieces and nephews make out of play-doh; lumpy yet distinguishable in form, rudimentary to the point of psychedelic complexity, dry and crumbly on the outside but all kinds of squishy on the inside. =20 The mysterious and oddly lovable bassist from ecstatically weird acts Huggabroomstik and Griffin and the True Believers takes the scenic back roa= d to your heart with her porch-swing guitar folk songs and clever-ish observations on life, death, love, health food, human reproduction, the unseen world of cosmic currents, awkward crushes, metaphysics, and, everyone's favorite, despair. =20 Her influences run the gauntlet from Patsy Cline to Kate Bush to Michael Gira. Her debut album, It's About Time, recorded and produced by Huggabroomstik co-frontman Dashan Coram, is available through Olive Juice Music. =20 =20 **CAConrad=20 http://www.CAConrad.blogspot.com http://www.phillysound.blogspot.com/ =20 CAConrad is the son of white trash asphyxiation whose childhood included selling cut flowers along the highway for his mother and helping her shoplift. He escaped to Philadelphia where he lives and writes with the PhillySound poets. He is the author of Deviant Propulsion (Soft Skull Press), (Soma)tic Midge (Faux Press), and The Book of Frank (Chax Press), and, forthcoming next year, advanced ELVIS course (Soft Skull Press), and a collaboration with poet Frank Sherlock titled The City Real & Imagined: Philadelphia Poems (Factory School). =20 =20 **Vivian Demuth http://www.poetspath.com/exhibits/viviandemuth/ http://viviandemuth.wordpress.com/ =20 A Canadian-American poet and fiction writer, Vivian Demuth is the author of the novel, Eyes of the Forest, and the poetry collection, Breathing Nose Mountain. Her work has appeared in a variety of U.S. and Canadian journals and anthologies, including: The Boreal Factor, Writing the Land, Long Shot, and Political Affairs. =20 =20 **Peter Dizozza http://www.cinemavii.com/ =20 Peter Dizozza enjoys songwriting and musical theatre production. He perform= s monthly song sets at Sidewalk Caf=E9. In 2007, La Mama E.T.C. produced his musical play, TentagatneT. As director of the newly reopened WAH Theatre, his productions include Prepare to Meet Your Maker, The Golf Wars, The Eleventh Hour, The Sea Heiress, and Paradise Found. His albums are availabl= e through Olive Juice Music. =20 =20 **Dan Fishback http://www.danfishback.com/ =20 As a solo artist and with his band Cheese On Bread, Dan Fishback has released four full-length albums in the past four years. As a performance artist, he received the 2007-2009 Six Points Fellowship to develop his new play, You Will Experience Silence, which will open in the spring of 2009. I= n 2006, P.S.122 mounted a mini-festival of his work in "No Direction Homo: Th= e Many Identical Personae of Dan Fishback." His other theater work has been presented at Dixon Place, Galapagos Art Space, and Brooklyn Arts Exchange. His writing has been published in Mentsh: On Being Jewish and Queer (Alyson Books) and in his two self-published zines, A Very Small Hole and What Have They Done To You? Fishback sat on the review panel for the 2008 Foundation for Jewish Culture New Jewish Theater Projects Grant. He has shared stages with Ani Difranco and Kimya Dawson as a member of the punk dance troupe Underthrust. He has toured North America, Europe, and Canada, and frequentl= y performs at universities across the country. =20 =20 **Casey Holford + Daoud Tyler-Ameen http://www.caseyholford.com/ http://www.myspace.com/artsororityforgirls =20 Casey Holford was raised on a diet of folk music and comic books in Massachusetts. He started playing piano at 12, picked up his mother's guita= r for coffeehouse and DIY shows at 14, and was performing regularly in the Boston-Providence songwriter circuit by 18. Now, living in Brooklyn at age 27, he has recorded three self-released solo albums, two EPs, and a 7-inch on RiYL records. He moonlights in the bands Outlines, Urban Barnyard, Dream Bitches, and Art Sorority for Girls, playing bass, electric, 12 string, and baritone guitars. Casey is also a prolific producer, helping to document hi= s community by working on projects with fellow bands and songwriters, most recently pop riot Cheese on Bread, visionary Dave Deporis, and upstart Creaky Boards. =20 Daoud Tyler-Ameen grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan. His songwriting career began in high school with a string of extra-credit projects about literary characters and the life cycles of plants. After graduation he started a new project called the Art Sorority for Girls, a collection of story-songs about the awful messes kids can get themselves into. Daoud's versatility as a drummer and multi-instrumentalist is the creative glue that has helped to hold Urban Barnyard, Outlines, and Cheese on Bread together. Daoud is working on Art Sorority's debut long player wit= h Casey, Major Matt Mason USA, and Andrew Hoepfner. =20 =20 **Eliot Katz http://www.poetspath.com/exhibits/eliotkatz/ =20 Poet and activist Eliot Katz is the author of five books of poetry, including Unlocking the Exits and When the Skyline Crumbles: Poems for the Bush Years. His forthcoming book, Love, War, Fire, Wind: Looking Out (North America's Skull), is a collaboration with the artist, William T. Ayton. =20 =20 **Ben Kreiger http://www.benkrieger.com/ =20 Ben often claims to be a Brooklyn songwriter. Anyone who meets him, however= , can immediately tell that he probably grew up in Cleveland. There was a short-lived campaign in the mid-'80s when everyone in Northeast Ohio had a bumper sticker that said, "New York May Be the Big Apple, But Cleveland's a Plum!" Ben has been a plum among the apples for 10 years. =20 In the summer of 2008 Ben took over from Lach as "Jay Leno of the Sidewalk.= " He books the club and runs the Open Stage on Monday nights. =20 His latest CD, Class Dismissed, is a concept record about community and the public school system. It is available through Fortified Records. He records himself and others at his home studio, The Rock Closet. He likes to record rock operas. =20 =20 **Phoebe Kreutz http://www.myspace.com/phoebekreutz =20 Phoebe Kreutz is a boozy floozy with a heart of gold. She sings silly songs about the things she likes best: boys and bars and vikings and tacos. =20 Growing up in New York's East Village, Phoebe learned a lot about all these things. She also learned a lot about rhyming from Dr. Seuss and the joys of thinly veiled social commentary from "He-Man" and "The Smurfs." =20 Now she's all grown up and still loving life in the big city. She gets to sing in all kinds of fun places like The Knitting Factory, Fez, Birdland, and The Sidewalk Caf=E9. It was there that she found the jolly antifolk scene= , which has nurtured and indulged her like a benevolent uncle these past few years. It was also there that she met the boys who would later join with he= r to become the world's greatest art-indie-rock band that only sings about animals in the city, Urban Barnyard. =20 =20 **Frank Sherlock http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Sherlock.html =20 Frank Sherlock is the co-author (with Brett Evans) of Ready-To-Eat Individual, an unofficial State-of-the-City of New Orleans in the Year 1 A.K. (After Katrina). His newest book, entitled Over Here is forthcoming from Factory School in January. =20 =20 **Nathaniel Siegel =20 Nathaniel Siegel is a poet, artist, and activist. On Nov. 19, he will be a featured artist at the Leslie/Lohman Gay Art Foundation in SoHo. His first chapbook is forthcoming from Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:45:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: With + Stand 2 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Why not do a third issue rather than publish the second one again? Hal McCain / Palin -- Just say thanks but no thanks. They're a bridge to nowhere. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net halvard@gmail.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Sep 27, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Dan Glass wrote: > With + Stand is once again honored and excited to announce the > publication > of its second issue. > > http://withplusstand.blogspot.com > > Hitting streets & mailboxes soon: > > 11 poets > 54 pages > Spray paint > Duct tape > Staples > > Phoebe Wayne > Meg Hamill w/ Ted Keller > Bill Freind > Noah Eli Gordon > Francisco Reinking > Barry Schwabsky > Jen Hofer > Anne Boyer > Vivek Narayanan > Kristen Orser > Erica Lewis w/ Mark Stephen Finein > > Stay tuned. > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:19:15 +1000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Masthead: Poetryetc special issue Comments: To: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" , British & Irish poets , UK POETRY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Out now: Masthead 11: Poetryetc Special Issue Poetryetc: Poems and Poets An anthology edited by Andrew Burke and Candice Ward http://www.masthead.net.au/ "What made the Poetryetc listserv distinct from the beginning was John Kinsella's internationalism, and his vision of its being a space for collaborative projects as well as dialogue and exchange...From 1997, Poetryetc projects collectively represent hundreds of poems by dozens of poets, by any measure an extraordinary explosion of collective creativity.... "This anthology is the most recent of the Poetryetc projects. Edited by Candice Ward and Andrew Burke, with an e-book designed by Peter Ciccariello, it represents a selection of poems written by list members over the past few years. It includes many distinguished poets side by side with new or little known voices, and demonstrates the diversity and stylistic openness that was always a major strength of Poetryetc." From Poetryetc: A Brief History by Alison Croggon With poems from: Rachel Loden | Martin Dolan | Kenneth Wolman | Ren=E9e Ashley | Patrick McManus | S.J. Litherland |Nathan Hondros | Sheila E. Murphy | Tina Bass | Trevor Joyce | Kasper Salonen | Larissa Shmailo | Halvard Johnson | Sally Evans | Glen Phillips | Mark Weiss | S.K. Kelen | Stephen Vincent | Tad Richards | Barry Alpert | Martin J. Walker | Jim Bennett |Gerald Schwartz | Peter Riley | Robin Hamilton | David Bircumshaw | Candice Ward | Peter Howard | Joanna Boulter | Jill Jones | John Kinsella | Randolph Healy | Bob Marcacci | Liz Kirby | Max Richards | Andrew Burke | Peter Larkin | Cindy Lee | Caleb Cluff | Douglas Barbour | =C1rni Ibsen | Janet Jackson | Lawrence Upton | Heather Taylor | Roger Collett | Peter Ciccariello |Harriet Zinnes | John Tranter | Sharon Brogan | Frederick Pollack | Pierre Joris | Alison Croggon http://www.masthead.net.au/ --=20 Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:08:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: steve russell Subject: dream ticket: Obama & MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Look out: McCain dumps Palin, picks Obama as his VP. &=A0why not? Didn't Ob= ama go out of his way to AGREE with freaking McCain Friday night? Very sad.= Really, talk=A0about=A0playing the play it safe card.=A0Obama seems to thi= nk he can coast to victory. Not a good idea. Dewey defeats Truman/& history= repeats/repeats/repeats...=A0=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:22:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ismaelia al Sadiq Subject: Re: dream ticket: Obama & In-Reply-To: <697954.78450.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dream ticket would be Obama and Osama - get that guy out of his penthouse i= n the Pentagon=2C and on the stump. Or=2C best thought=2C second thought= =2C why not Osama and Madonna? It'd certainly win the Arab vote=2C and sin= ce there are now more Arabs than Jews registered to vote in America=2C it j= ust might provide the margin of victory. Indeed=2C BOTH could go for that = ticket. Madonna is=2C after all=2C something of a Qabbalist. And THIS yea= r=2C it's going to take a lot of Semitic might - Arabs and Jews united - to= break the continuing rise of a Christian Coalition. Allahu Akbar: Boker T= ov. Could be ancient ground for the birth of a brand new day. =20 > Date: Sat=2C 27 Sep 2008 18:08:58 -0700> From: poet_in_hell@YAHOO.COM> Su= bject: dream ticket: Obama &> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> > Look out:= McCain dumps Palin=2C picks Obama as his VP. & why not? Didn't Obama go ou= t of his way to AGREE with freaking McCain Friday night? Very sad. Really= =2C talk about playing the play it safe card. Obama seems to think he can c= oast to victory. Not a good idea. Dewey defeats Truman/& history repeats/re= peats/repeats... > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> The Poetics List is= moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: = http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:33:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: dream ticket: Obama In-Reply-To: <697954.78450.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think this is premature. Agreement can be used strategically to disarm your opponents, or lull them into thinking they have the floor, are dealing with a weakling, or that their ideas are any good. There is speculation (wildly made, at this juncture) that McCain has suffered a stroke and that this has been kept from voters. Those who are doin' the speculatin' are citing McCain's increasingly frequent mispronunciations (where before, there were less...apparently). This is an interesting idea and, if true, really scary. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:08 PM, steve russell wrote: > Look out: McCain dumps Palin, picks Obama as his VP. & why not? Didn't > Obama go out of his way to AGREE with freaking McCain Friday night? Very > sad. Really, talk about playing the play it safe card. Obama seems to think > he can coast to victory. Not a good idea. Dewey defeats Truman/& history > repeats/repeats/repeats... > > > > > ================================== > The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines > & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:25:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: HELLIONS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline poet and cultural critic MARIA RAHA has struck again! her new book HELLIONS is really terrific! link to it is: http://www.sealpress.com/book.php?isbn=9781580052405 also check out her other book CINDERELLA'S BIG SCORE about women in punk rock CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:47:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: Re: dream ticket: Obama & MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Steve I have to admit I wasn't too excited about that debate either. There were some shining moments though about the war from Obama. My favorite line was, "John, you act like the war started in 2007" when responding to McCain's bullshit lines about HOW THE SURGE WORKED. It makes me nothing but sick, thinking of such a thing as a surge "working" keeping grave diggers working. Just the other day I watched a documentary called THE RESTLESS CONSCIENCE which is about the anti-Nazi resistance within Germany from 1933 to 1944. This is a film I want EVERY American high school kid to watch! Hava Kohav Beller is the director, and I admire how the post-production was so smooth in ways many documentaries lack, meaning overlay of live interviews with photos. It's stunning, chilling. IT GIVES you a sense of doom while maintaining an intense sense of HOPE about what we can do to end evil. I'm voting for Obama because he REALLY WILL get us out of Iraq. If other Democrats had won the party's nomination I don't think I would be voting Democrat, as I REFUSE to vote for anyone who voted for the war. Obama is not perfect, and I'm really SICK of the way he talks about Welfare Reform, as though the 700 million dollar bailout isn't anything but welfare for the rich! But I'm voting for him to stop the war, because that killing much STOP! CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:06:25 +0000 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Nicholas Karavatos Subject: Contact Info for Jalal Toufic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello=2C =20 If anyone has an email address or such for Jalal Toufic=2C if you could be = so kind as to pass it along to me at nkaravatos@aus.edu =20 Thank you. =20 Nicholas KaravatosDept of English American University of SharjahPO Box 26666SharjahUnited Arab Emirates _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:31:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: William James Austin Subject: Blackbox submission period closed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone, Many thanks for the many submissions.? The submission period for Blackbox is now closed. Best, Wlliam James Austin ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:58:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Cara Benson Subject: Re: dream ticket: Obama & MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Every ad is a found poem, no? Words taken out of their original context. Ou= t of context, "you are right" "you are right" can be used to a variety of m= eans. In its context - =A0ie as they are uttered from a person's mouth, whi= ch is all anyone has any "control" over (if that!) - Obama's gentlemanly ag= reement w/ his opponent is like the workshop scenario where a participant s= ays what s/he likes about a poem before telling the author everything that'= s wrong with it. =0A=A0=0AActually, to me, it ultimately displays a strengt= h, not a weakness. Some folks will miss that. But then, does that stop us f= rom writing "inaccessible" poems? How far does one go to reach a recipient = (voter, reader), whether s/he is a politician or a poet?=0A=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A= =A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0ASous Rature=A0=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: steve russell =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Saturday, September 27, 20= 08 9:08:58 PM=0ASubject: dream ticket: Obama &=0A=0ALook out: McCain dumps = Palin, picks Obama as his VP. &=A0why not? Didn't Obama go out of his way t= o AGREE with freaking McCain Friday night? Very sad. Really, talk=A0about= =A0playing the play it safe card.=A0Obama seems to think he can coast to vi= ctory. Not a good idea. Dewey defeats Truman/& history repeats/repeats/repe= ats...=A0=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AThe Poetics List is m= oderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: ht= tp://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html=0A=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:40:22 -0700 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: amy king Subject: Out of towners & Otherwise ... Comments: To: "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all -- please visit our new reading series site to view videos of Ariana Reines reading dreams & Coeur de Lion and answering questions about yurts, camels and Sarah Palin; Kristi Maxwell winning at chess against a hand; Alan Bajandas telling death death death; and Arpine Konyalian Grenier flying on a pelican. Go go go! And thank you for supporting Stain. Without listeners we're just a blot. http://stainofpoetry.wordpress.com/video/ http://stainofpoetry.wordpress.com/video/ http://stainofpoetry.wordpress.com/video/ Amy & Ana _______ Recent work http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/King.html Amy's Alias http://amyking.org/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:39:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Charles Alexander Subject: new on chaxblog Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'm only blogging about once a month right now, with August & September entries related to the upcoming conference, CHARLES OLSON: LANGUAGE AS PHYSICAL FACT, or to printing letterpress broadsides for exhibition at the conference. As the conference nears (it's Oct 10-11), and during & after it, I'll step up the blogging effort. see: chaxblog charles alexander chax press chax@theriver.com 411 N 7th ave, suite 103 tucson arizona 85705 520 620 1626 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:22:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tom Orange Subject: dream ticket: Obama & MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline steve, don't buy the republican spin: every obama agreement was followed up in very short order by a clear and significant departure. granted, obama showed mccain more deference than he's due (which in my book is next to zero). it's called being a respectful statesman. by contrast, mccain couldn't bring himself to even look his opponent in the eye... regards, tom orange ------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:08:58 -0700 From: steve russell Subject: dream ticket: Obama & Look out: McCain dumps Palin, picks Obama as his VP. &=A0why not? Didn't Ob= ama go out of his way to AGREE with freaking McCain Friday night? Very sad.= Really, talk=A0about=A0playing the play it safe card.=A0Obama seems to thi= nk he can coast to victory. Not a good idea. Dewey defeats Truman/& history= repeats/repeats/repeats...=A0=0A=0A=0A ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:59:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo Newsletter 09.29.08-10.05.08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 LITERARY BUFFALO 09.29.08-10.05.08 BABEL SOUND PROBLEMS To those who attended the Babel event featuring Chinua Achebe last Thursday= , Just Buffalo would like to extend it's sincerest apologies for the sound = system issues that kept many in attendance from being able to hear Mr. Ache= be for most of the event. A letter is being sent today to all of our subsc= ribers detailing the problem, but for now, please know that we are very sor= ry and we are working on it and it will not happen again. BABEL AT BETTY'S FOR JUST BUFFALO MEMBERS After each Babel event, there will be a member-only book discussion at Bett= y's. Enjoy dessert and coffee with us at Betty's (370 Virginia St.) while j= oining other members in discussion of the first two books featured in Babel= =2E Please RSVP for next Monday's event by this Thursday. Call 832.5400 or = send an email to info=40justbuffalo.org.=CB=87 Monday, October 6th, 7:00 pm - Things Fall Apart, by Chinua Achebe Anthropologist Phil Stevens will lead a discussion about cultural themes in= Things Fall Apart, drawing on his long experiences in Nigeria from the 196= 0s through the 1990s. Monday, November 3rd, 7:00 pm - The English Patient, by Michael Ondaatje. Call 832.5400 or visit justbuffalo.org to join today. There will be a Just= Buffalo staff member at each event in case you want to join when you arriv= e. ___________________________________________________________________________ EVENTS THIS WEEK Visit the Literary Buffalo calendar at www.justbuffalo.org for more detaile= d info on these events. All events free and open to the pubic unless other= wise noted. 10.01.09 Talking Leaves...Books Julia Roberts Reading/Signing for: Motherhood to Otherhood Wednesday, October 1, 7 PM Talking Leaves...Books, 3158 Main St. & Just Buffalo/Center for Inquiry Literary Cafe Earth's Daughters, featuring Kastle Brill, Jennifer Campbell, Joyce Kessel,= Janna Willoughby and Ryki Zuckerman Plus open spots for readers Wednesday, October 1, 7:30 PM Center For Inquiry, 1310 Sweet Home Road, Amherst 10.02.08 Canisius Contemporary Writers Series Ann Patchett Fiction Reading Thursday, October 2, 7 PM Montante Cultural Center, Canisius College __________________________________________________________________________= LITERARY BUFFALO RSS FEED You can now subscribe to the Literary Buffalo RSS feed for up-to-the-minute= info on literary happenings around town: feed://www.justbuffalo.org/rss/ ___________________________________________________________________________ CHAUTAUQUA WRITING WEEK WITH KAREN LEWIS Karen L. Lewis invites you to attend a week-long writing workshop at The Sp= encer Hotel and Spa, located in the heart of the Chautauqua Institution, fr= om October 27-31, 2008. Visit http://www.thespencer.com/writersworkshops/in= dex.htm for more info. ____________________________________________________= _______________________ JUST BUFFALO MEMBERS' WRITER CRITIQUE GROUP The Just Buffalo Writer Critique Group meets on the first and third Wednesd= ay of the month through fall, winter and spring. Group meets in the Market = Arcade first floor conference room at 6:30 PM. For info on format, etc., pl= ease download the info .pdf: http://www.justbuffalo.org/docs/Writer_Critique_Group.pdf ___________________________________________________________________________ WESTERN NEW YORK ROMANCE WRITERS group meets the third Wednesday of every m= onth at St. Joseph Hospital community room at 11a.m. Address: 2605 Harlem R= oad, Cheektowaga, NY 14225. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:02:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Poetics List Subject: new Barbara Jane Reyes chap [on behalf of Horton and Young] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline *Editors:* David Harrison Horton Stephanie Young Re: new Barbara Jane Reyes chap From: "Deep Oakland" Deep Oakland Editions is proud to announce the release of Barbara Jane Reyes' West Oakland Sutra for the AK-47 Shooter at 3:00 AM and other Oakland poems : http://deepoakland.org/text?id=224 ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:46:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Re: Fwd: Robert Dunn's death & memorials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dearest Friends, As you all know by now, Robert Dunn died on Thursday night, of a massiv= heart attack while at his health club. He was taken to the hospital, b=t they weren't able to save him. My heart is broken, and I'm sure, for m=ny of us, there will be continued shock and sorrow. According to the family (from what Babette Albin has told me) there wil= be no public funeral. His family has opted for a closed-casket, private service. Nevertheless, since those of us who knew Robert knew that -- aside from his Mother -- he considered his fellow poets (poets &am=; musicians) to be his real family, as he often said, it is we who must create his memorials and also the celebrations of his life. I have spoken to Tone Bellizi at The Vault, and he has suggested Saturd=y, October 11th (two weeks from today) to have the memorial at the Vault. =He plans to have us from 9 p.m. till whenever. I will be speaking to Brigid Myrnaghan at the Back Fence shortly to see=20 what she would like us to do at the Back Fence. It is possible that th= event which had been planned for tomorrow with Goldiva as the feature, will =o on, but with tributes to Robert. Since this is all such short notice, there will possibly be some other event there at the Back Fence that is more=20 formally planned for a later date, for when everyone who wasn't planning on going tomorrow can attend. In speaking to Su Polo, I got the impressio= she might be thinking of setting up something, too. It's possible that=20 Evie Ivy and/or Patricia Carragon, both of whom host events, may wish to set=up something at their events. I just don't know any more at this time.&nb=p; As Lisa Roma (and Su) said, Robert's just on another plane now, and he'=l always be with us, but I wish to God he were still here with us, to laugh wi=h, crack wise with, -- yes, and even to argue with -- and Lord knows, he was so=20 opinionated (aren't we all) that every one of us probably disagreed with him=20 about something, sometime, but I would give anythng to be able to hear his v=ice and hug him once again. Stan Barkan graciously agreed to be the one who sent out the notice of where/when regarding the funeral, but since none but his uncle and cousins (=nd maybe sister-in-law) will be at the funeral, we must begin to plan our thoughts and memorials to him. If possible, we'll try to set up a MySp=ce page for people to add comments and poems. Thanks you all for your gracious calls and loving thoughts. In the interim, you may also be receiving other emails from people with=20 bulk mailing lists. Please forgive the duplication; the Department of Redundancy Department is working full-time now, as we all send out the info =o all our friends and colleagues. Also forgive me if there's any typos -= I can't see because of the tears as I write this. Love, from Leigh P.S. While I was adding the addresses, I got a call from Robert M=lby upstate, who's reading tonight and told me he's dedicating his reading to Robert. Bless you, Milby, for that!...L. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:16:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Tony Trigilio Organization: http://www.starve.org Subject: Beat Symposium Updates: list of panels; McClure reading; di Prima cancellation Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi everyone-- With regret, I'm writing to say that Diane di Prima had to cancel her reading at The Beat Generation Symposium next month at Columbia College Chicago. I'm please to announce that Michael McClure will now be the featured poet on Saturday, October 11. I've pasted below the full list of panels and events (including a reading Oct. 12 by Michael Rothenberg and David Meltzer, part of the great Myopic Books Reading Series here in Chicago). As always, feel free to email back with questions! Hope to see you there-- Best, Tony ******************************************** THE BEAT GENERATION SYMPOSIUM ******************************************** Please join us for a conference devoted to the literary and cultural legacy of the Beat Generation: "The Beat Generation Symposium," co-sponsored by the Beat Studies Association, the Columbia College Chicago English Department and Provost's Office, Columbia College's Ellen Stone Belic Institute for the Study of Women and Gender in the Arts and Media, and the Illinois State University Department of English and College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. Friday, October 10, and Saturday, October 11, 2008 Columbia College Chicago Film Row Cinema 1104 South Wabash Avenue, 8th floor This is an academic Beat Studies conference to be held in conjunction with the Columbia College's Center for the Book and Paper Arts's Fall 2008 display of the Jack Kerouac ON THE ROAD manuscript scroll. The Beat Generation Symposium features panel discussions each day, with poetry readings by Joanne Kyger (October 10) and Michael McClure (October 11). The readings are free and open to the public. We regret that Diane di Prima had to cancel her appearance, but are pleased to announce that Michael McClure will now be the featured poet on Saturday, October 11. JOANNE KYGER, a native California writer, is the author of over 20 books of poetry. She is known for her ties to the poets of Black Mountain College, the San Francisco Renaissance, and the Beat Generation. Her most recent books are About Now: Collected Poems, 1957-2004 (National Poetry Foundation, 2007) and Not Veracruz (Libellum Press, 2007). She taught for many years at Naropa University's poetics program, and The New College of San Francisco. She lives on the coast north of San Francisco. One of the core group of Beat poets who gained fame in 1950s San Francisco, MICHAEL MCCLURE is also a playwright, journalist and memoirist. His life and writing reveal a deep interest in nature, ecology, and consciousness. McClure continues to live and work in San Francisco where he is more active than ever, writing and performing his poetry at festivals, as well as colleges and clubs across the country. Most recently McClure joined with composer Terry Riley to create a CD titled I Like Your Eyes Liberty. Recent books include Huge Dreams: San Francisco and Beat Poems, Rain Mirror, and Touching the Edge. Panelists include John Bryant, Peter Cook, Terrance Diggory, Jane Falk, Amy Friedman, Deborah R. Geis, Nancy M. Grace, Tim Hunt, Rob Johnson, Ronna Johnson, Hassan Melehy, Timothy Murphy, Jennie Skerl, Matt Theado, Tony Trigilio, and more. The weekend of the symposium, there will be a related offsite reading by Michael Rothenberg (Unhurried Vision) and David Meltzer (David's Copy) sponsored by Myopic Books and the Poetry Center of Chicago. Sunday, October 12, 7:00 p.m. Myopic Books, 1564 N Milwaukee Ave, in Chicago's Wicker Park neighborhood. ***************** REGISTRATION ***************** Free for Columbia College faculty, staff, and students with valid IDs. Evening poetry readings are free and open to the public. Conference fees: $100 ($50 for Graduate Students, Independent Scholars, and Retired Faculty). To register by credit card, call the Columbia Ticket Office at (312) 344-6600, or register online at: www.colum.edu/tickets/index.php To register by mail, download the registration form here: http://www.colum.edu/Academics/English_Department/beatsymposium/PDFs-bgs/BeatSymposiumRegistrationForm.pdf ******************************* ONLINE VISITOR'S GUIDE http://www.colum.edu/Academics/English_Department/beatsymposium/Hotels_and_Travel.php **************************** ******************************* CONFERENCE SCHEDULE ******************************* OCTOBER 10, 2008 10:00 a.m. Welcome and Plenary Address 10:15-11:30 a.m. "Road Mapping(s): The Textual Terrain of On the Road" Panel Chair: Tim Hunt, Illinois State University "Byways and Highways: Manuscripts, Typescripts, and the Process of On the Road" Isaac Gewirtz, Curator, Berg Collection, New York Public Library "Visions and Versions of Jack: A Fluid Text Edition of On the Road" John Bryant, Department of English, Hofstra University "Hidden Roads: Improvisational Textuality and On the Road" Tim Hunt, Department of English, Illinois State University 11:45-1:00 p.m. "Crossing to Safety -- Cultural Contestations in Beat Literature" Panel Chair: Fiona Paton, State University of New York at New Paltz "Kerouac, Beat Religiosity, and the Center of American Culture" Steven Schroeder, Shenzhen University "'A Kick at the Icebox Door': Haiku and Beat Haikus" Matt Theado, Gardner-Webb University "Jack Kerouac, the Québécois Diaspora, and Québécois Literature" Hassan Melehy, The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 1:00-2:30 p.m. (Break for Lunch) 2:30-3:45 p.m. "The Aesthetics and Spirit of Avant-Garde Practice: Joanne Kyger and Diane di Prima" Panel Chair: Ronna C. Johnson, Tufts University "Joanne Kyger and the Aesthetics of Attention" Terrance Diggory, Skidmore College "'Who did we pray to'? Diane di Prima's Loba" Tony Trigilio, Columbia College Chicago "'From the inside': Joanne Kyger's Changes of Mind" Linda Russo, Washington State University "The Feminized Interzone in Kyger and Di Prima" Amy Friedman, Ursinus College 4:00-5:15 p.m. "Hydrogen Jukebox: Allen Ginsberg and Deaf Poetry" Peter Cook, Columbia College Chicago Miriam Lerner, National Technical Institute for the Deaf, Rochester Institute of Technology Kenny Lerner, National Technical Institute for the Deaf, Rochester Institute of Technology; Member, Flying Words Project 7:00 p.m. Poetry reading by Joanne Kyger OCTOBER 11, 2008 8:45-10:00 a.m. "Beat Studies, The Next Generation: Showcasing Graduate and Post-Graduate Scholarship" Panel Chair: Tony Trigilio, Columbia College Chicago "The Impossible Manifesto: Tracing the Manifesto Form through Avant-Garde and Beat Writing" Jimmy Fazzino, University of California, Santa Cruz. "Parasites, Viruses, and William S. Burroughs's Method" Michael Sean Bolton, Arizona State University. "Summers in the Skagit: Gary Snyder, Jack Kerouac, and the Language of the Lookout" John J. Morrell, Vanderbilt University. 10:15-11:30 a.m. "Exploring the Beat Landscape -- Welch, Ferlinghetti, and Kaufman" Panel Chair: Nancy M. Grace, The College of Wooster "Lew Welch: Hermit Poet of Rat Flat" Jane Falk, The University of Akron "'Unfair Arguments with Existence': Ferlinghetti's One-Acts and the Modes of Beat Drama" Deborah R. Geis, DePauw University "Bob Kaufman and Urbanizing Pastoral" Todd Nathan Thorpe, The University of Notre Dame 11:45-12:45 p.m. Elizabeth Von Vogt reads from her memoir, 681 Lexington Avenue -- A Beat Education in New York City, 1947-1954 In this memoir just released from Greater Midwest Publishing, Von Vogt, a sister of John Clellon Holmes, describes her coming of age among Clellon Holmes, Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsberg, and other Beats in post-World War II New York City. 12:45-2:15 p.m. (Break for lunch) 2:30-3:45 p.m. "New Scholarship on William S. Burroughs" Panel Chair: Jennie Skerl, West Chester University "Love and 'Genial' Laughter: Cutting Up The Ticket That Exploded (1961 and 1967)" Katharine Streip, Concordia University "Conservative Politics and Literary Radicalism: Burroughs and Kerouac" Allen Hibbard, Middle Tennessee State University "William S. Burroughs as 'Good Ol'Boy': Eating the Naked Lunch in East Texas" Rob Johnson, The University of Texas-Pan American Respondent: Timothy Murphy, University of Oklahoma 4:00-5:15 p.m. "Beat Reception and Recovery -- Assessing the Critics and the Historians" Chair: Tim Hunt, Illinois State University "Inside the 6 Gallery with Co-founder Deborah Remington" Nancy M. Grace, The College of Wooster "Kerouac Reception in the 1980s: Renaissance and Scholarly Revival" Ronna C. Johnson, Tufts University. "Recent Reception of Naked Lunch" Jennie Skerl, West Chester University. "Infiltrating the Boy Gang: Women in the Encyclopedia of Beat Literature" Kurt Hemmer, William Rainey Harper College 7:00 p.m. Poetry reading by Michael McClure 8:00 p.m. Closing Reception (Film Row Theater lobby) The Beat Generation Symposium is sponsored by the English Department and Provost's Office of Columbia College Chicago, in conjunction with the Beat Studies Association, an international organization that fosters scholarship on Beat Generation literature and art; Ellen Stone Belic Institute for the Study of Women and Gender in the Arts and Media; and the Illinois State University Department of English and College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. For information on joining the Beat Studies Association, please go to: http://www.wooster.edu/beatstudies/index.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:23:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Ward Tietz Subject: Book Arts Call for Work--Democratic Organization Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Democratic Organization Are you trying to get your artists=92 books out there to as wide an =20 audience as possible, as inexpensively as possible? The10th Biennial =20 Book Arts Fair and Conference is November 8-9, 2008, the weekend after =20= the U.S. Presidential election, and in the spirit of democracy we are =20= calling for you to take part! We want to exhibit your democratic =20 multiples=97the books you widely and cheaply disseminate=97at our book =20= fair. 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:37:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: New Big Block of BlazeVOX [books] Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 New Big Block of BlazeVOX [books] =20 =20 Special Offer from BlazeVOX - Buy A Big Block of Books at a special price! Find out More Here !!! http://www.blazevox.org/bigblockofbooks.htm =20 =20 Ten books for $100 =AD includes shipping! Hot Dog! =20 =20 Samples Right Here =AD Wanna see what you are buying??? 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Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:12:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: ari banias Subject: Uncalled-For Readings, October 15: Brolaski, Carnahan, Hall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Join us Wednesday, October 15 for the next queer installment featuring: JULIAN T. BROLASKI KERRY CARNAHAN and JAMES ALLEN HALL Unnameable Books / 7pm / free + JULIAN T. BROLASKI co-curated the the New Brutalism series in Oakland from 2003-2005 (with Cynthia Sailers) and the Holloway Poetry Series at UC Berkeley from 2004-2006. Brolaski is the author of the chapbooks Hellish Death Monsters (Spooky Press 2001), Letters to Hank Williams (True West Press 2003), The Daily Usonian (Atticus/Finch 2004), Madame Bovary's Diary(Cy Press 2005) and the defunct blog Swimming for Dummies (under the name Tanya Brolaski). Xe is a poetry editor at Litmus Press in Brooklyn and is writing es dissertation on rhyme in medieval, Renaissance and Apache poetries. Brooklyn resident KERRY CARNAHAN has co-authored and edited a number of publications, including the New York City High Performance Infrastructure Guidelines, Cool and Green Roofs, and Sustainable Urban Sites (forthcoming). JAMES ALLEN HALL is the author of *Now You're the Enemy*, which was selected for the 2008 University of Arkansas Poetry Series and was a finalist for the Walt Whitman Award. His poems and personal essays have appeared in *TriQuarterly, Boston Review, Redivider, American Letters and Commentary, *and others. He is working on a memoir (tentatively titled *I Liked You Better Before I Knew You So Well*) and a second book of poems. He teaches creative writing at SUNY--Potsdam. + down one flight of stairs at 456 Bergen Street, Brooklyn, NY Future: Jericho Brown, Corrine Fitzpatrick, Tennessee Jones on 11/19 Bookstore: www.unnameablebooks.net More: www.uncalledforreadings.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:05:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Rodney Koeneke Subject: Portland, Sat. 10/4: CROSS, IDES, PUTNAM Read for Tangent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The Tangent Reading Series hosts DEL RAY CROSS, BETHANY IDES & C.E. PUTNAM SATURDAY, OCTOBER 4 at 7 PM Clinton Corner Caf=E9, 2633 SE 21st Avenue, Portland, OR http://www.thetangentpress.org/readings.html DEL RAY CROSS lives in San Francisco, where he edits SHAMPOO ( www.shampoopoetry.com), an online poetry magazine he founded in May 2000. Since then, SHAMPOO has published more than 400 poets, the famous with the first-time-in-print, in its thirty-three issue run. His poetry books includ= e Lub Luffly (2006) and Cinema Yosemite (2002), both from Pressed Wafer. Just out from Luxbooks in Germany, in English with German translations, is Ein frisches Trugbild (A Fresh Mirage). BETHANY IDES's work has been shown at the Brooklyn Museum of Art, PS 122, Zieher-Smith Gallery, and the Bowery Poetry Club in New York. Locally, she has collaborated with several Portland-based artists on projects across media, and is currently staging a large-scale piece=97"Approximate L"=97involving participants all named Lindsay. Her poetry chapbooks include 2005's "Indeed, Insist (a mystery)" from New York's Ugly Duckling Presse, and the forthcoming "Approximate L" from Cosa Nostra Editions. Ides teaches time arts, art theory, and writing at Pacific Northwest College of Art in Portland. Seattle-based artist and writer C.E. PUTNAM maintains the Putnam Institute for Space Opera Research (P.I.S.O.R.). His chapbooks and collaborations include "Communal Bebop Canto" (1997), "Maniac Box" (2001), "Did you ever hear of a thing like that?" (2001), and "Crawlspace" (2007), the world's first collaborative book of poetry with an anaglyphic 3-D cover. He will be reading from a manuscript in progress titled "This Bunny is Making Me Happy." =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:29:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: New Big Block of BlazeVOX [books] In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline What about a big block of books AND cookies??? -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:47:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Daniel Godston Subject: Rec Room / Chicago Calling event MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are invited to attend the Rec Room / Chicago Calling event -- Wednesday, October 1, 8 p.m. Reconstruction Room / Black Rock Pub & Kitchen 3614 N. Damen Ave. Chicago, IL 60618 (773) 348-4044 www.recroomers.com Erin Teegarden (poetry), collaborating with Della Watson (poetry) & Eric Cressley (poetry) Eric Elshtain (poetry) & Gregory Fraser (poetry) Matthias Regan (poetry) Quraysh Ali Lansana (poetry) & Shanta (storytelling) Dan Godston (poetry), collaborating with Divik Ramesh (poetry) & Ray Garman (poetry) poets performing at Robin's Bookstore: Adam Meora, Ray Garman, & Lamont B. Steptoe This event features live connections with the Hyde Park Art Center (www.hpac.org) and Robin's Bookstore (108 South 13th Street, Philadelphia PA, 19107, 215-735-9600, www.robinsbookstore.com). This event was funded in part by Poets & Writers, Inc. through a grant it has received from an anonymous donor. There is a "pass the hat" suggested donation. www.chicagocalling.org ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:12:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: poet/artist KRISTEN GALLAGHER reports on the 2008 Republican National Convention MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline poet/artist KRISTEN GALLAGHER reports on the 2008 Republican National Convention an interview on PhillySound: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/2008_09_01_archive.html ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:17:57 -0700 Reply-To: atieger@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: aaron tieger Subject: END NOTEBOOK by Geoffrey Olsen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Petrichord Books is pleased to announce the publication of END NOTEBOOK, th= e first chapbook by Geoffrey Olsen.=20 Of END NOTEBOOK, Brenda Iijima writes "=93Subtle ambient registrations accr= ue and gracefully dissipate in Geoff Olsen=92s End Notebook. Sensitive to atmospheric pressures these gestural phrasings shimmer. There is no subtext here but being, itself.=94 END NOTEBOOK is available for $6, including postage. Payment can be made vi= a Paypal at petrichord.com, or buy sending cash or check (made payable to A= aron Tieger) to 67 Rice St. #1, Cambridge, MA 02140. You can also purchase by clicking here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi- bin/webscr?cmd=3D_s-xclick& hosted_button_id=3D= 117993 A sample: Poem 6 We appear to be moving. Time is speeding up. Into space =97 Des Moines mall, =A0=A0=A0 Paris arcade, avenue, =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 panorama. My happiness continents the light is blue. Now, now, now, then, after, when grassroots are better. Yours truly decrees harbor shaved. One moment my friend: & where we were is where we are, knowing object as dumpster, have: hopes? places? times? Mind making its own sky. * Thank you for supporting independent poetry. Aaron Tieger Petrichord Books=0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:51:45 +0800 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: Furniture Press is now a non-profit! Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 With hibernation comes rejuvination... f_p has been sleeping a long three years! now, as it awakens, it's looking = for patrons and poems. I've not yet written a prospectus or manifesto or whatever but many of you = know the deal: f_p is all about the intertext, readings of readings, writin= g based in reading and writing, what Coolidge asks, "What do you see when y= ou look out with your language?" I hope to have a good deal of manuscripts by next year. In the meantime, I = hope some of you will query this ambiguous eMail! Also, since we're non-profit, we'll be looking for donations and supporters= (and if you wish to contribute, or know a good, sure way to get funding, p= lease contact me at cacasama@towson.edu). We also have an extensive back catalogue that's been sitting in boxes for a= bit, and I'm looking to get rid of everything and start afresh - any donat= ions will be received with a flourish of chapbooks, pamphlets and other str= ange objects! Cheers, and thanks for making f_p alive again! Christophe Casamassima --=20 Powered By Outblaze =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:16:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Michael Kelleher Subject: OlsonNow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Please visit the OlsonNow Blog for info on the fight for Fort Square, Charles Olson's former home in Gloucester: http://olsonnow.blogspot.com/ ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:43:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: CA Conrad Subject: EXCITED for the math MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When the Dow (the Tao of the wicked) plummeted 777 points yesterday I felt awe and relief. In our age we don't need to arrive at the castle gates with pitchforks and torches, the rich will undo themselves. "Average folks" will also suffer everyone's saying. Aren't we already? The makeshift village of NICKELVILLE was attacked the other night by POLICE! The homeless cannot even be allowed homelessness. When I was a kid my mother and I lived in our car for a little more than half a year. It's a terrible thing to have to live like that. But the problem with our culture the way it is is that unless A LOT of people are living like that, few will do anything to help. We have SO MUCH in this country SO MANY resources, there's no reason we can't change the way we're living and be better people for one another. Let the numbers dive into the abyss! When we're all eating the litter of our former selves we'll be nicer to everyone along the way who needs a hand. When I think back on the people who were brutal to us when we were living in that car, I also think about the handful of folks who were generous. Every single person who was generous was poor themselves, barely enough for their own tables. Let the numbers escape them! Let this be the most amazing time of our lives! I'm NOT ONE TO PRAY, but I'm praying that on Thursday there's still no deal, and that the numbers crash and burn them out of their mansions and country clubs. GRACIAS A LA VIDA! CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:00:13 -0700 Reply-To: jkarmin@yahoo.com Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: Skidmore College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) Skidmore College The English Department invites applications for a Creative Writing: Poetry senior-level appointment (Associate or Full Professor), tenure-track, for a poet with a distinguished record of publication & experience, to direct a small, prestigious undergraduate creative writing program. Starting date: September 1, 2009. The successful candidate will join a very strong creative writing faculty to conduct workshops in poetry writing at both introductory & advanced levels, oversee independent study in poetry writing, & teach occasional courses in literature. Teaching load is 2 courses per semester; maximum enrollment in writing workshops is 15. Salary commensurate with qualifications. Include c.v. with application letter addressed to: Linda Simon, Chair, English Dept., Skidmore C, 815 N. Broadway, Saratoga Springs, NY 12866. Review of applications begins October 15. All applications will be acknowledged. Preliminary interviews will be held in December at MLA convention in San Francisco. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:35:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: "T. A. Noonan" Subject: Call for submissions: grain short/grain long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The inaugural issue of grain short/grain long (http://www.sundress.net/grainshortgrainlong) is now available, featuring excellent work by Suzanne Grazyna, Virginia Reeves, Elizabeth Kate Switaj, & C. R. E. Wells in response to the theme "grain short/grain long." Our next issue will center around the theme "Collaboration / Stimulus / Response." We are looking for works that collaborate with, are stimulated by, &/or respond to other writers & artists. The vehicle -- be it ekphrasis, tag-team writing, plain ol' inspiration, etc. -- is immaterial. We want to see what you come up with. This is a broad topic, so we hope to get a variety of interpretations. grain short/grain long is open to all types of poetry, prose, visual, & hybrid works. We are especially interested in submissions from women; Southerners; unknown, unpublished, & under-represented artists; or anyone whose projects have been described as "innovative," "experimental," "avant-garde," "post-avant," "eccentric," or just plain "odd." Potential contributors may submit up to four (4) poems, four thousand (4,000) words of prose, or images up to 2 MB in response to the current call to flaming [dot] giblet [at] gmail [dot] com. (Of course, replace the bracketed words with the appropriate symbols.) Accepted file formats include JPG, TIFF, BMP, ODT, DOC, & RTF. Other formats will be considered on an individual basis -- query first. Projects that stretch the limits of print are welcome, so long as their execution is feasible within our (alas, oh so limited) resources. Hint: Make it great. The more we love it, the more likely we are to finesse something for you. Submissions in response to "Collaboration / Stimulus / Response" will be accepted until December 31, 2008. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:01:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Dan Glass Subject: bionic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline #2 bios mostly up @ http://withplusstand.blogspot.com/ ---Dan ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:46:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" Sender: "Poetics List (UPenn, UB)" From: Martha Cinader Mims Subject: Live open mic radio tonight! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Poets, I will host a one hour arts and poetry show tonight from 8-9pm PST. Please call in with your poem or event announcement, opportunity for arts professionals, or comments about the state of the arts. The call in number is (718) 506-1481. If you want to try "click to talk," the link on blogtalkradio.com for tonight's show is http://tinyurl.com/ 4wptcj Included for September 30 will be some announcements of opportunities posted at L&BH Network Arts News http://www.listenandbeheard.net/ artsnews, including calls for submissions of writing and photography, and an international writers residency. There will be a profile of Howard Wiley and his music from the "Angola Project" and an editorial about using new tools like blogtalkradio and mogulus.com to promote your arts projects. I also will be featuring a poem and very short story of the week. I welcome audio submissions of same for future shows. It would be great to get some interesting calls tonight! Wishing you Peace and Poetry martha cinader mims ps I am also seeking poetry videos for video poem of the day at Listen & Be Heard Poetry Cafe. http://www.listenandbeheard.net/home Live video open mics coming soon.... Martha Cinader Mims Listen & Be Heard Network editor@listenandbeheard.net http://www.listenandbeheard.net Get Skype and call me for free. Martha Cinader Mims mc@cinader.com Get Skype and call me for free. ================================== The Poetics List is moderated & does not accept all posts. Check guidelines & sub/unsub info: http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html